I suggest gun plumber draws at least a tempoary ban - Page 2

mime · January 10, 2013, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Spktyr

I'm thinking that the above are likely to net the banhammer...

So the **** what. You can't go through life scared my friend.

**rochte** · January 10, 2013, 21:49

For the record, I think that the banning of Jugrunner was unfair and I hope that it is reversed.

**Jaxxas** · January 10, 2013, 22:30

Y'all care a **** of a lot more about Gunplumber than Giillie ever did!

Spktyr · January 10, 2013, 23:25

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Originally Posted by mime

So the **** what. You can't go through life scared my friend.

Oh, I wasn't scared. I was just wanting to watch when it came down.

Bull915 · January 11, 2013, 08:15

So the guys that starts the dust-up goes quiet and everybody that complains about what he said gets banned?

I don't have a horse in this race, just not the kind of behavior I've seen from this group before (members OR mods).

tywest · January 11, 2013, 08:57

you know..........im new here comparitively. heres some observations about what yall have been discussing.

a thread started to comemerate the passing of a fellow fal enthusiast.
thread all good and then posting of memories start
seems most postings have to deal with gillie poking at gp
everyone states joy from gillie poking at gp
gp had enough and since everyones voicing opinions he voices his

yall basically turned the thread towards that, God rest the mans soul

if possible but was his poking at gp all yall enjoyed about his time here?

Im totally 3rd party and know niether but thats just my opinion. I know yall have been here longer and maybe have back story but everyone seems to complain about someones banning while forgetting that they turned a thread about someones passing into a revelry of poking at another member. which seems to be what WEG alluded to.

everyone talks about "knowing how GP is" and yet yall elected to talk about him in a thread about someones passing......

im sure you will hate me now as well because my opinion and observation differs, but im from the outside looking in fellas, but im here because im a FAL enthusiast not a cheeleader looking for prom queen votes.

Ive greatly enjoyed this site regardless of whats going on personally between you gents

JohnnyReb · January 11, 2013, 09:15

for the brothers who aren't here ...

**jimmbob** · January 11, 2013, 09:37

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReb

for the brothers who aren't here ...

Yes Sir

If there's a heaven, our gillman is up there looking down just smilin' away.

Buddy Lee · January 11, 2013, 14:04

For all the angels and saints sake I just hope God gave him a keyboard without a period (.) on it.

Buddy Lee

NHBandit · January 11, 2013, 14:39

Been off doing "real stuff" for a week or 2 & all hell breaks loose. WTF.. Guess I have mixed feelings about all this and since I do enjoy popping in now & then I will keep the largest part of my opinion to myself. Will simply say that while it really really sucks that Juggsy & mime got the boot I do have to commend WEG for FINALLY coming out and admitting that certain members here possess a "get out of jail free" card and are free to do any damn thing they please with no fear of repercusssions. It explains ALOT.

festus · January 11, 2013, 14:52

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReb

for the brothers who aren't here ...

Ghileee helped me out right before he got banned with some questions about a rock collection I inherited. He had a lot of knowledge iof rock hunting and polishing semi precious gemstones. I liked the dude.

Dirt1042 · January 11, 2013, 15:16

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Originally Posted by tywest

a thread started to comemerate the passing of a fellow fal enthusiast.
thread all good and then posting of memories start
seems most postings have to deal with gillie poking at gp
everyone states joy from gillie poking at gp
gp had enough and since everyones voicing opinions he voices his

I don't think you have worry about people hating you here. You summed it up pretty good.

**tdb59** · January 11, 2013, 15:51

Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?

ALL FAL · January 11, 2013, 16:26

GP will not be banned because most of his Biz is thru the files, he is well connected and bottom line a fine gentleman to do biz with from what I have seen.

Personally He rubs me the wrong way but that is my problem, maybe some other form of warning as Banning is not going to fly?

RG Coburn · January 11, 2013, 16:32

If you don't want Gunplumber to bite you,don't poke him with sticks...

**J. Armstrong** · January 11, 2013, 16:40

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Originally Posted by tywest

you know..........im new here comparitively. heres some observations about what yall have been discussing.

a thread started to comemerate the passing of a fellow fal enthusiast.
thread all good and then posting of memories start
seems most postings have to deal with gillie poking at gp
everyone states joy from gillie poking at gp
gp had enough and since everyones voicing opinions he voices his

yall basically turned the thread towards that, God rest the mans soul

if possible but was his poking at gp all yall enjoyed about his time here?

Im totally 3rd party and know niether but thats just my opinion. I know yall have been here longer and maybe have back story but everyone seems to complain about someones banning while forgetting that they turned a thread about someones passing into a revelry of poking at another member. which seems to be what WEG alluded to.

everyone talks about "knowing how GP is" and yet yall elected to talk about him in a thread about someones passing......

im sure you will hate me now as well because my opinion and observation differs, but im from the outside looking in fellas, but im here because im a FAL enthusiast not a cheeleader looking for prom queen votes.

Ive greatly enjoyed this site regardless of whats going on personally between you gents

Good observation.

You have to understand, about once a year the collected assemblage here has to have some sort of mass hysteria ( well, maybe not so massive, but you get the point ). Half a dozen or so folks go over the deep end, everyone bitches up a storm complaining about the powers that be and some sort of cosmic conspiracy. Everybody wants everybody else banned, or burned in effigy or some such. Tempests in teapots every time. After awhile it all goes back to normal, Gets pretty predictable

**rochte** · January 11, 2013, 18:34

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Originally Posted by NHBandit

Been off doing "real stuff" for a week or 2 & all hell breaks loose. WTF.. Guess I have mixed feelings about all this and since I do enjoy popping in now & then I will keep the largest part of my opinion to myself. Will simply say that while it really really sucks that Juggsy & mime got the boot I do have to commend WEG for FINALLY coming out and admitting that certain members here possess a "get out of jail free" card and are free to do any damn thing they please with no fear of repercusssions. It explains ALOT.

Yes, exactly!

Skilter · January 11, 2013, 18:49

total jackassery...

Blaster · January 11, 2013, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Sig220

And that folks is how the asylum is ran..........

You are right Siggy!

In the old days, this particular thread would have quickly wound up down in the Dumping Brass dungeon.

Now I gotta go pop a large skillet of popcorn in some fresh bacon grease.

Sig220 · January 11, 2013, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Blaster

You are right Siggy!

In the old days, this particular thread would have quickly wound up down in the Dumping Brass dungeon.

Now I gotta go pop a large skillet of popcorn in some fresh bacon grease.

Good to see ya, Blaster. Hope the winter bids you well.....cold enough, but not too cold!!!

**Hollis Wood** · January 12, 2013, 09:54

If the deceased sent GP messages containing anything remotely like what he says they did, then I don't blame him a bit for how he feels. Nor voicing it.

**brunop** · January 12, 2013, 17:16

I don't blame him, either - which is not to say I support it. A person doesn't have to respond to every injury, perceived or real.

I think W.E.G. has nailed it: 1) whether in poor taste or not, GP doesn't deserve a banning, and 2) IF jugrunner continued to hammer GP after Gary told him to lay off, a temp ban is in order. Maybe jugrunner was willing to say it anyway; sometimes a guy has to say what he has to say and take the consequences.

I don't know why people are calling GP's "non-ban" as a case of playing "favorites". He said that ggiilliiee said some very inappropriate stuff about his family. That, my friends, is the banning offense. That, for those who don't know better or can't remember, is how the FAL Files used to be. A guy getting angry or hurt and stating that he's glad a guy is gone is NOT a banning offense - even if the "Impropriety" meter is off the chart to the low end...

**J. Armstrong** · January 12, 2013, 18:02

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Originally Posted by brunop

I don't blame him, either - which is not to say I support it. A person doesn't have to respond to every injury, perceived or real.

I think W.E.G. has nailed it: 1) whether in poor taste or not, GP doesn't deserve a banning, and 2) IF jugrunner continued to hammer GP after Gary told him to lay off, a temp ban is in order. Maybe jugrunner was willing to say it anyway; sometimes a guy has to say what he has to say and take the consequences.

I don't know why people are calling GP's "non-ban" as a case of playing "favorites". He said that ggiilliiee said some very inappropriate stuff about his family. That, my friends, is the banning offense. That, for those who don't know better or can't remember, is how the FAL Files used to be. A guy getting angry or hurt and stating that he's glad a guy is gone is NOT a banning offense - even if the "Impropriety" meter is off the chart to the low end...

Well said

**Arby** · January 12, 2013, 22:45

FWIW and just for the record, Mark has been banned before by Jen:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329209

He is not "ban proof". He is apparently subject to the same rules as the rest of us.

**preston1026** · January 13, 2013, 00:40

It's pretty pathetic banning is even necessary, everyone on here is a grown man. We all come here to discuss firearms and or the related. If things stayed that way there wouldn't be any issue. I don't envy the policing mods/admins have to do.

Now lets talk about some FAL's!!!

Tibodoe · January 13, 2013, 02:26

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Originally Posted by preston1026

It's pretty pathetic banning is even necessary, everyone on here is a grown man. We all come here to discuss firearms and or the related. If things stayed that way there wouldn't be any issue. I don't envy the policing mods/admins have to do.

Now lets talk about some FAL's!!!

I agree wholeheartedly!

**jimmbob** · January 13, 2013, 03:34

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Originally Posted by Arby

FWIW and just for the record, Mark has been banned before by Jen:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329209

He is not "ban proof". He is apparently subject to the same rules as the rest of us.

Same rules as the rest of us - riggghhhttt.

Oh my sweet jesus

I fogged up my spectacles from laughing so hard when reading this link. He's pretty much the teflon ass till he messes with Larry Vickers. Says a lot, too funny

gotta love it!

**rochte** · January 13, 2013, 10:06

Why should civility be optional just because one is posting on the Internet instead of conversing in person? It has nothing to do with being a "grown man", though it may be related to maturity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston1026

It's pretty pathetic banning is even necessary, everyone on here is a grown man. We all come here to discuss firearms and or the related. If things stayed that way there wouldn't be any issue. I don't envy the policing mods/admins have to do.

Now lets talk about some FAL's!!!

NHBandit · January 13, 2013, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Arby

FWIW and just for the record, Mark has been banned before by Jen:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329209

He is not "ban proof". He is apparently subject to the same rules as the rest of us.

That comment damn near made coffee shoot outta my nose.. I remember that well. Jen made a comment that she had spoken to GP and that he "understood".. Name ONE other person who has ever been temp banned who got a phone call or an email from Jen to discuss it ? If you don't believe the man gets special treatment you have blinders on. Just sayin.

KEMOSABE · January 13, 2013, 11:34

So the GP gets a free ride to try and disgrace a good man that passed away too early? That's all F'ed up. I remember a little story some years ago about a duck hunter, that's when GP made himself out to be a fraud and a liar. If that's baiting, ban me, just have the balls to do it for life.

G3isMe · January 13, 2013, 13:00

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Originally Posted by NHBandit

That comment damn near made coffee shoot outta my nose.. I remember that well. Jen made a comment that she had spoken to GP and that he "understood".. Name ONE other person who has ever been temp banned who got a phone call or an email from Jen to discuss it ? If you don't believe the man gets special treatment you have blinders on. Just sayin.

+1

G3isMe · January 13, 2013, 13:03

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Originally Posted by KEMOSABE

So the GP gets a free ride to try and disgrace a good man that passed away too early? That's all F'ed up. I remember a little story some years ago about a duck hunter, that's when GP made himself out to be a fraud and a liar. If that's baiting, ban me, just have the balls to do it for life.

.

Ohhh now you did it, now you really did it..............

.

**jimmbob** · January 13, 2013, 13:36

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Originally Posted by KEMOSABE

So the GP gets a free ride to try and disgrace a good man that passed away too early? That's all F'ed up. I remember a little story some years ago about a duck hunter, that's when GP made himself out to be a fraud and a liar. If that's baiting, ban me, just have the balls to do it for life.

"the duck hunter" , nice title - now ya got my interest up, gotta link?

**brunop** · January 13, 2013, 16:06

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Originally Posted by KEMOSABE

So the GP gets a free ride to try and disgrace a good man that passed away too early? That's all F'ed up...

1) He stated that ggiilliiee wrote about his daughter. Perm ban offense in the old days IIRC

2) He stated that he's glad he's not here. So what?

3) He stated that he hoped it was a painful death.

This is "low class" in every way I think of the phrase. It also seems to point to the fact that ggiilliiee 'got to' GP in a big way, which Mark can't let go of. On the other hand, it isn't a banning offense.

You guys just WANT him banned so badly, that you are confusing banning offenses with poor taste. I'm not telling y'all what to think, I'm just pointing out that the board isn't going to ban him for poor taste. Just like the board didn't ban ggiilliiee for sending Mark really poor-taste PMs.

Get it? It. Is. The. Same. Not perfect, just roughly equal.

**J. Armstrong** · January 13, 2013, 16:34

If lack of diplomacy or poor taste were banning offenses, half the peeps bitchin' about Mark would be gone too, at one point or another. Prolly me, too, for that matter.

I knew we were due for another FAL Files Tempest in a Teapot. Yawner, dudes Y'all starting to sound like a buncha prissy liberal beeyotches wit yer panties and feelings all tied up in a knot and hurtin' yer sphincters

Gonna give yerselves coronaries and the only people left here will be boring folks like me.

**harleyrider** · January 13, 2013, 16:42

Didn't know the man, but sorry to hear that Randy died at such a young age. I've enjoyed reading through his posts with much amusement.

And all these threads about the fallout from his passing just reinforce that the reason some folks are targets for, as it's termed, "baiting", is that they let it (maybe even encourage it to) happen. If they would occasionally just ignore a little shit being blown in their direction instead of sticking their face into the wind to look for more (i.e., have the last word), then most of the tsunami here would be but a ripple. And good threads would not be locked, members would not be banned, and moderators' actions would not be called into question. Kumbaya.

For the record, I felt Gunplumber's comments were in poor taste, and about what I would have expected from him. Ban worthy? Not for me to judge; I don't run this place. I will say though, that whenever shit is hitting the fan around here, it appears that Mr. Graham is usually kneedeep in the firefight.

HR

**yellowhand** · January 13, 2013, 16:49

I'm new to FF, own 5 FALs, got a new one being built by GP.
The talk of banning anyone for anything on a major firearms forum at a time when it seems the whole of the political world is wanting to ban every single FAL held by the honest people here is just strange to me.
We protect the 2nd, what about the first?
And hello to everyone, FNG here from AZ.

**J. Armstrong** · January 13, 2013, 16:56

Man, you got cojones starting out yer tenure in a thread like this

Good on ya, +1, and welcome aboard the insanity

**yellowhand** · January 13, 2013, 17:06

Lack of fear and stupidity go hand in hand my mama told me once

or G-d protects fools or drunks, can't remember which!

**crawlinjeep** · January 13, 2013, 20:30

gillie talked bad about GPs daughter? And you think what GP said about him was low?

Sweet Baby Jesus.

Sig220 · January 13, 2013, 21:23

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Originally Posted by crawlinjeep

gillie talked bad about GPs daughter? And you think what GP said about him was low?

Sweet Baby Jesus.

Remember the old adage, "Dead men, can tell no tales."

Well, a dead man cannot dispute what anyone says about them. There are plenty of "forked tongue" speakers on this board to go around.

Some post just go to show character or a lack of it.

**Bug Tussell** · January 13, 2013, 22:05

I belong over at www.arizonashooting.com. I never see GP spouting his particular brand of bullshit over there.

Too close to home I guess.

chrsdwns · January 15, 2013, 01:00

I'm the guy who trims trees for the power company, and then walks across your living room carpet with muddy boots.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm cool with that as long as long as i don't find those tracks leading to my bedroom when I come home from work.

chrsdwns · January 15, 2013, 01:20

On a more somber note, it seems that the occasionally imitated but never duplicated ggiilliiee is truly no longer with us.

The Obit is dated Oct 20 2012 if anyone should care to pay their respects.

I hope he finds the peace he never seemed to have found in life.

R.I.P. Randy

Right Side Up · January 15, 2013, 02:19

Yes, we knew that. That's why this thread was started: http://http://www.falfiles.com/forum...d.php?t=344039

For some reason, he who shall not be named trolled the thread with some ugly posts (That he was glad he died, and that he hoped it was painful) and got it locked. That's why this thread was started.

Some guys get to go around the Files saying almost anything they want with no reckoning.

I'm sorry to say it, but it'll come to mind when the board needs money again.

bwillcball · January 15, 2013, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Right Side Up

Oh I'm so scared.

Now thats Funny as Hell right there,I dont care who You are!!

tigerfans2 · January 15, 2013, 22:21

Wahhhhhh
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And that's all I have to say about that.

Brian in MN · January 15, 2013, 22:29

Thank God the Pres is going to give you guys something more interesting to whine about tomorrow.

Pluribus · January 16, 2013, 01:34

I'm not a GP admirer nor, a ghillie appreciator. I don't do business with GP because I choose not to. I regret to learn of ghillies passing and, am mournful.

But,

I didn't think ghillie was the wecsogin' genius as so, so many here seem to think and, GP is right for one thing certain, ghillie was a fraud. The whole business of the ejector "mod" that he claimed to have come up with and, gets all kind of credit for here, was nothing more than an adaptation of a common gunsmithing practice used on any and all firearms. Since JMB, the Mauser brothers, etc, etc. Model 1911 shooters have been doing it since before MOST of us were an itch in pappys britches.

Rail "mods"? Come on, he didn't invent that either. I've smoothed and polished the receiver on many a different firearm that was no longer in spec (century receivers for example) or, damaged in order to solve feeding problems as needed and, only where affected not a blanket grind and file as accorded to his plagerized and exagerated instructions. I even had an exchange with him about it once, but to no avail and, nothing but a stupid duck, dodge and a he, he, from him. He only plagerized on an existing principle and, to excess.

After that, I just didn't pay attention to him. I sometimes don't pay attention to GP either.
My life has not been altered either positively or, negatively at all. He may indeed and, likely was, a nice guy otherwise. A lot a fun around the campfire and all that. Maybe GP is to but, I'll likely not ever know because, you see, I am an internet nom de geurre, represented by an internet nom de plume the same as ghillie, GP and the rest of us.

But, every one of you who are anti GP because of what he said or, does in general sound like the other anti you know what people that don't like "guns" We don't want/need them because, because, because, because, because, well, I just don't like/see the need/have my opinion about them and, just think SOMETHING should be done about it.

Your reactions are purely emotional.

IMHO and, Goodwill to all

E Pluribus Unum

NHBandit · January 16, 2013, 09:58

All this thread did was expose those guys who think it would be perfectly fine if Mark showed up at the mans funeral wearing a Hawaiian shirt & passing out cigars and those of us who have a bit more class than that. His cheerleaders will continue cheering no matter how low he goes.. He claims stuff was said in PM that most certainly is in bad taste IF it actually happened but did ANY of you witness that exchange ? Did he take a screenshot of the exchange and post it here ? That would certainly have been cause for banning Ggiilliiee for life. If it did happen what was said prior to bring it on ? Only the dead & Mr Graham know what REALLY was said.. Bringing a mans family into a personal clash is dead wrong and despicable behavior but.. Mark has lied about me and several others here in the course of prior pissing contests. When asked directly to back up those lies with proof he changes the subject. How do we KNOW he's not lying now ? He has said nasty hateful things in the past about FWRA as well. One of the most respected members this place has ever had and who brought alot of us old time members many great deals. I guess it's just a sport for him to kick the dead. Guess it's just another way of having the last word. Something he is famous for.. So what has been gained from all this ? Not much. It will be business as usual. There will be no repercussions for this extremely poor behavior and I think most of us knew that would be the outcome. Hell W.E.G. has told us flat out that his hands are tied. Yet everytime Mr Graham gets into an altercation with one of us he calls us trolls and liars and screams for us to be banned. How do we know that's not the real reason Ggiilliiee got the boot. Worry about more important things like what the Pretender in Chief has up his sleeve in his quest to wipe his ass with the Constitution. NOTHING here is ever going to change where Mr Graham is concerned. It is good to know where some of you stand on this issue though. It's been enlightening to say the least.

January 10, 2013, 22:30	#53
Jaxxas Don't Tread On Me! Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 34933 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,776	Y'all care a **** of a lot more about Gunplumber than Giillie ever did! __________________ “I'm not sure what part of the internet sent you to us, but I expect it had something to do with gravity. You have not reached your point of equilibrium." W.E.G. A golf course is a complete waste of a good rifle range. Jarhead

January 11, 2013, 08:15	#55
Bull915 Registered FALaholic #: 52424 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VA Posts: 118	So the guys that starts the dust-up goes quiet and everybody that complains about what he said gets banned? I don't have a horse in this race, just not the kind of behavior I've seen from this group before (members OR mods). __________________ I have the ability to break an infinitely higher number of things than I can fix.

January 11, 2013, 09:15	#57
JohnnyReb Registered FALaholic #: 12093 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NC Posts: 3,645	for the brothers who aren't here ... __________________ One Bank to rule them all, one Bank to find them, one Bank to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

January 11, 2013, 14:04	#59
Buddy Lee Registered FALaholic #: 19204 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Here. Now... maybe. Posts: 521	For all the angels and saints sake I just hope God gave him a keyboard without a period (.) on it. Buddy Lee __________________ When in doubt about reality, look for Rod Serling.

January 11, 2013, 14:39	#60
NHBandit Registered FALaholic #: 7986 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 3,962	Been off doing "real stuff" for a week or 2 & all hell breaks loose. WTF.. Guess I have mixed feelings about all this and since I do enjoy popping in now & then I will keep the largest part of my opinion to myself. Will simply say that while it really really sucks that Juggsy & mime got the boot I do have to commend WEG for FINALLY coming out and admitting that certain members here possess a "get out of jail free" card and are free to do any damn thing they please with no fear of repercusssions. It explains ALOT. __________________ Live Free or Die

January 10, 2013, 21:49	#52
rochte Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 16305 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Grosse Pointe, MI Posts: 1,420	For the record, I think that the banning of Jugrunner was unfair and I hope that it is reversed.

January 11, 2013, 08:57	#56
tywest Registered FALaholic #: 66761 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West, GA Posts: 2,443	you know..........im new here comparitively. heres some observations about what yall have been discussing. a thread started to comemerate the passing of a fellow fal enthusiast. thread all good and then posting of memories start seems most postings have to deal with gillie poking at gp everyone states joy from gillie poking at gp gp had enough and since everyones voicing opinions he voices his yall basically turned the thread towards that, God rest the mans soul if possible but was his poking at gp all yall enjoyed about his time here? Im totally 3rd party and know niether but thats just my opinion. I know yall have been here longer and maybe have back story but everyone seems to complain about someones banning while forgetting that they turned a thread about someones passing into a revelry of poking at another member. which seems to be what WEG alluded to. everyone talks about "knowing how GP is" and yet yall elected to talk about him in a thread about someones passing...... im sure you will hate me now as well because my opinion and observation differs, but im from the outside looking in fellas, but im here because im a FAL enthusiast not a cheeleader looking for prom queen votes. Ive greatly enjoyed this site regardless of whats going on personally between you gents

January 11, 2013, 15:51	#63
tdb59 Grey Hair Pict / Enabler Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63177 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: I am here Posts: 8,738	Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be? __________________ "Safety is nice, but it's not first. Life is first and life is not safe." -Jeff Cooper .............

January 11, 2013, 16:26	#64
ALL FAL Registered FALaholic #: 24447 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 8,713	GP will not be banned because most of his Biz is thru the files, he is well connected and bottom line a fine gentleman to do biz with from what I have seen. Personally He rubs me the wrong way but that is my problem, maybe some other form of warning as Banning is not going to fly? __________________ COBC #1- That's all Folks.

January 11, 2013, 16:32	#65
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18,730	If you don't want Gunplumber to bite you,don't poke him with sticks...

January 11, 2013, 18:49	#68
Skilter Registered FALaholic #: 1021 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,472	total jackassery... __________________ Skilter Native Texan Illegitimi Non Carborundum -------------------------------------------- M 7:7-14 tells you all you need to know.

January 12, 2013, 09:54	#71
Hollis Wood Senior Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 10333 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas Posts: 623	If the deceased sent GP messages containing anything remotely like what he says they did, then I don't blame him a bit for how he feels. Nor voicing it.

January 12, 2013, 17:16	#72
brunop Refresh Key Masher Platinum Contributor FALaholic #: 17136 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,868	I don't blame him, either - which is not to say I support it. A person doesn't have to respond to every injury, perceived or real. I think W.E.G. has nailed it: 1) whether in poor taste or not, GP doesn't deserve a banning, and 2) IF jugrunner continued to hammer GP after Gary told him to lay off, a temp ban is in order. Maybe jugrunner was willing to say it anyway; sometimes a guy has to say what he has to say and take the consequences. I don't know why people are calling GP's "non-ban" as a case of playing "favorites". He said that ggiilliiee said some very inappropriate stuff about his family. That, my friends, is the banning offense. That, for those who don't know better or can't remember, is how the FAL Files used to be. A guy getting angry or hurt and stating that he's glad a guy is gone is NOT a banning offense - even if the "Impropriety" meter is off the chart to the low end... __________________ Warning to all FalFiles members who may ever want to do business with me on the FF Marketplace: I support any person who steals 3% from PP by conducting business transactions as Family & Friends transactions. This may impugn my character, and, according to Mark Graham of Arizona Response Systems, means that I'll lie, cheat, and steal from people here if there is anything about you that I don't like - or possibly even disagree with. You may not want to do business with me. In case you forget this, this warning will appear in any future advert in the Marketplace. Consider yourself duly warned. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=89

January 12, 2013, 22:45	#74
Arby Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 653 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 4,608	FWIW and just for the record, Mark has been banned before by Jen: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329209 He is not "ban proof". He is apparently subject to the same rules as the rest of us.

January 13, 2013, 00:40	#75
preston1026 Go Seminoles! Contributor FALaholic #: 38005 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,948	It's pretty pathetic banning is even necessary, everyone on here is a grown man. We all come here to discuss firearms and or the related. If things stayed that way there wouldn't be any issue. I don't envy the policing mods/admins have to do. Now lets talk about some FAL's!!!

January 13, 2013, 11:34	#80
KEMOSABE Registered User FALaholic #: 10937 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: abeach Posts: 1,780	So the GP gets a free ride to try and disgrace a good man that passed away too early? That's all F'ed up. I remember a little story some years ago about a duck hunter, that's when GP made himself out to be a fraud and a liar. If that's baiting, ban me, just have the balls to do it for life.

January 13, 2013, 16:34	#85
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Not far enough from Philly Posts: 13,082	If lack of diplomacy or poor taste were banning offenses, half the peeps bitchin' about Mark would be gone too, at one point or another. Prolly me, too, for that matter. I knew we were due for another FAL Files Tempest in a Teapot. Yawner, dudes Y'all starting to sound like a buncha prissy liberal beeyotches wit yer panties and feelings all tied up in a knot and hurtin' yer sphincters Gonna give yerselves coronaries and the only people left here will be boring folks like me. __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A country should never become so civilized that it will hesitate to do violence upon those wishing it harm." Hagar “I respect the government only in the sense that I respect any other dangerous predator who views me as food.” “The consolidation of the states into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it.” Robert E. Lee Last edited by J. Armstrong; January 13, 2013 at 16:40.

January 13, 2013, 16:42	#86
harleyrider Curio & Relic Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 55746 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,018	Didn't know the man, but sorry to hear that Randy died at such a young age. I've enjoyed reading through his posts with much amusement. And all these threads about the fallout from his passing just reinforce that the reason some folks are targets for, as it's termed, "baiting", is that they let it (maybe even encourage it to) happen. If they would occasionally just ignore a little shit being blown in their direction instead of sticking their face into the wind to look for more (i.e., have the last word), then most of the tsunami here would be but a ripple. And good threads would not be locked, members would not be banned, and moderators' actions would not be called into question. Kumbaya. For the record, I felt Gunplumber's comments were in poor taste, and about what I would have expected from him. Ban worthy? Not for me to judge; I don't run this place. I will say though, that whenever shit is hitting the fan around here, it appears that Mr. Graham is usually kneedeep in the firefight. HR __________________ What the HELL is he building in there?

January 13, 2013, 16:49	#87
yellowhand Dinosaur Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 67949 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sierra Vista AZ Posts: 12,988	I'm new to FF, own 5 FALs, got a new one being built by GP. The talk of banning anyone for anything on a major firearms forum at a time when it seems the whole of the political world is wanting to ban every single FAL held by the honest people here is just strange to me. We protect the 2nd, what about the first? And hello to everyone, FNG here from AZ.

January 13, 2013, 16:56	#88
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Not far enough from Philly Posts: 13,082	Man, you got cojones starting out yer tenure in a thread like this Good on ya, +1, and welcome aboard the insanity __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A country should never become so civilized that it will hesitate to do violence upon those wishing it harm." Hagar “I respect the government only in the sense that I respect any other dangerous predator who views me as food.” “The consolidation of the states into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it.” Robert E. Lee

January 13, 2013, 17:06	#89
yellowhand Dinosaur Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 67949 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sierra Vista AZ Posts: 12,988	Lack of fear and stupidity go hand in hand my mama told me once or G-d protects fools or drunks, can't remember which!

January 13, 2013, 20:30	#90
crawlinjeep Old Fart Contributor FALaholic #: 10480 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 352	gillie talked bad about GPs daughter? And you think what GP said about him was low? Sweet Baby Jesus. __________________ Taxation without representation? If you pay no taxes you deserve no representation... No Right To Vote! "If there be trouble, let it be in my day that my children may know peace" Patrick Henry

January 13, 2013, 22:05	#92
Bug Tussell ..... Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 2872 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Bug Tussell Farm in New Mexico Posts: 5,034	I belong over at www.arizonashooting.com. I never see GP spouting his particular brand of bullshit over there. Too close to home I guess. __________________ Make your time

January 15, 2013, 01:00	#93
chrsdwns Registered FALaholic #: 9846 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,697	I'm the guy who trims trees for the power company, and then walks across your living room carpet with muddy boots. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm cool with that as long as long as i don't find those tracks leading to my bedroom when I come home from work. __________________ "Those who do not move do not notice their chains. " -Rosa Luxumberg "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." ~~Ludwig Von Mises ...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.

January 15, 2013, 01:20	#94
chrsdwns Registered FALaholic #: 9846 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,697	On a more somber note, it seems that the occasionally imitated but never duplicated ggiilliiee is truly no longer with us. The Obit is dated Oct 20 2012 if anyone should care to pay their respects. I hope he finds the peace he never seemed to have found in life. R.I.P. Randy __________________ "Those who do not move do not notice their chains. " -Rosa Luxumberg "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." ~~Ludwig Von Mises ...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead. Last edited by chrsdwns; January 15, 2013 at 01:28.

January 15, 2013, 02:19	#95
Right Side Up Registered FALaholic #: 43 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 6,086	Yes, we knew that. That's why this thread was started: http://http://www.falfiles.com/forum...d.php?t=344039 For some reason, he who shall not be named trolled the thread with some ugly posts (That he was glad he died, and that he hoped it was painful) and got it locked. That's why this thread was started. Some guys get to go around the Files saying almost anything they want with no reckoning. I'm sorry to say it, but it'll come to mind when the board needs money again.

January 15, 2013, 22:21	#97
tigerfans2 Registered FALaholic #: 5284 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,905	Wahhhhhh Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh And that's all I have to say about that.

January 15, 2013, 22:29	#98
Brian in MN Registered FALaholic #: 289 Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,408	Thank God the Pres is going to give you guys something more interesting to whine about tomorrow. __________________ Kalashnikov: The most successful point and click interface in the world.

January 16, 2013, 01:34	#99
Pluribus Average White Devil Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 5600 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wichita, America Posts: 5,807	I'm not a GP admirer nor, a ghillie appreciator. I don't do business with GP because I choose not to. I regret to learn of ghillies passing and, am mournful. But, I didn't think ghillie was the wecsogin' genius as so, so many here seem to think and, GP is right for one thing certain, ghillie was a fraud. The whole business of the ejector "mod" that he claimed to have come up with and, gets all kind of credit for here, was nothing more than an adaptation of a common gunsmithing practice used on any and all firearms. Since JMB, the Mauser brothers, etc, etc. Model 1911 shooters have been doing it since before MOST of us were an itch in pappys britches. Rail "mods"? Come on, he didn't invent that either. I've smoothed and polished the receiver on many a different firearm that was no longer in spec (century receivers for example) or, damaged in order to solve feeding problems as needed and, only where affected not a blanket grind and file as accorded to his plagerized and exagerated instructions. I even had an exchange with him about it once, but to no avail and, nothing but a stupid duck, dodge and a he, he, from him. He only plagerized on an existing principle and, to excess. After that, I just didn't pay attention to him. I sometimes don't pay attention to GP either. My life has not been altered either positively or, negatively at all. He may indeed and, likely was, a nice guy otherwise. A lot a fun around the campfire and all that. Maybe GP is to but, I'll likely not ever know because, you see, I am an internet nom de geurre, represented by an internet nom de plume the same as ghillie, GP and the rest of us. But, every one of you who are anti GP because of what he said or, does in general sound like the other anti you know what people that don't like "guns" We don't want/need them because, because, because, because, because, well, I just don't like/see the need/have my opinion about them and, just think SOMETHING should be done about it. Your reactions are purely emotional. IMHO and, Goodwill to all E Pluribus Unum __________________ Born again, son of a gun Were it not for ignorance, thus we would remain. Never hate your enemy, it only clouds your judgment. Last edited by Pluribus; January 16, 2013 at 05:41.

January 16, 2013, 09:58	#100
NHBandit Registered FALaholic #: 7986 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 3,962	All this thread did was expose those guys who think it would be perfectly fine if Mark showed up at the mans funeral wearing a Hawaiian shirt & passing out cigars and those of us who have a bit more class than that. His cheerleaders will continue cheering no matter how low he goes.. He claims stuff was said in PM that most certainly is in bad taste IF it actually happened but did ANY of you witness that exchange ? Did he take a screenshot of the exchange and post it here ? That would certainly have been cause for banning Ggiilliiee for life. If it did happen what was said prior to bring it on ? Only the dead & Mr Graham know what REALLY was said.. Bringing a mans family into a personal clash is dead wrong and despicable behavior but.. Mark has lied about me and several others here in the course of prior pissing contests. When asked directly to back up those lies with proof he changes the subject. How do we KNOW he's not lying now ? He has said nasty hateful things in the past about FWRA as well. One of the most respected members this place has ever had and who brought alot of us old time members many great deals. I guess it's just a sport for him to kick the dead. Guess it's just another way of having the last word. Something he is famous for.. So what has been gained from all this ? Not much. It will be business as usual. There will be no repercussions for this extremely poor behavior and I think most of us knew that would be the outcome. Hell W.E.G. has told us flat out that his hands are tied. Yet everytime Mr Graham gets into an altercation with one of us he calls us trolls and liars and screams for us to be banned. How do we know that's not the real reason Ggiilliiee got the boot. Worry about more important things like what the Pretender in Chief has up his sleeve in his quest to wipe his ass with the Constitution. NOTHING here is ever going to change where Mr Graham is concerned. It is good to know where some of you stand on this issue though. It's been enlightening to say the least. __________________ Live Free or Die Last edited by NHBandit; January 16, 2013 at 10:21.

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