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Old October 31, 2012, 07:37   #1
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Hey, you Ruger haters!

I have been reading my new paperback (reprint) copy of Keith’s “Sixguns” lately. I ordered it after I forgot that I already had the hardback version of the same edition. Anyway, I will quote a passage from page 76 where he discusses the then-available single action revolvers: “for the shooter or gun crank Bill Ruger has a far better single action than has ever come out of the Colt factory”. That’s right, Elmer said it and I believe it. I do own and enjoy a wide selection of Colt handguns from a .22 Bankers Special up to a .455 New Service with a .38/40 Peacemaker circa 1917 thrown in there. I do really like several of my double action Colts, most especially the Official Police although I also own a Python and an Officer’s Model Match.

I also own and enjoy several S&W handguns like smooth old hand ejectors, early and late Model 27s & 28s, a 1955 Target, a Heavy Duty and an Outdoorsman, etc. All that said, I would just as soon carry and shoot a Ruger revolver as any of the others. My “go to” .357 Magnum is probably my 4” GP100 although my little 3-1/16” SP101 finds it way in my pocket more often and if I desire something larger the Speed Six gets the nod. My 4” Security Six with Herrett Shooting Star grips is a joy to shoot and pack on the hip also. I have many of the calibers offered in the Blackhawk and enjoy them all, although I have yet to actually shoot my Old Model .30 Carbine. I suppose the .41 Magnum or the 5 ½” barreled, non-Dragoon trigger guard .44 Super Blackhawk are my favorites. Heck I even have much love for an old 180 series Mini-14 I bought long ago. I own, shoot, and enjoy a wide variety of guns and enjoy them all for what they are.

As an aside, this past July I was fortunate to spend the better part of an afternoon at the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody WY enjoying the firearms exhibits. If you have never been you really need to make the pilgrimage. Anyway, while standing in front of the Ruger display a gentleman I assumed to be a Museum Volunteer asked me if I "saw anything I wanted to take home”. I said “no, I have most of these already”. He hesitated with a funny look on his face so I pressed on pointing at guns in the display and saying “I have that one, a couple of those, three of those, five of that model, and one each of these over here”. I do not have the Ruger Trap Model shotgun or his prototype machine gun of course.

Oh, just to get it out of the way, I don't want to hear anybody bitching about Bill Ruger selling us out on the hi-caps. It is ancient history at this point and I am long over it.
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Old October 31, 2012, 07:54   #2
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Ruger went full-douche when they started putting lawyer-smeg on the barrels.

While I won't deny owning a post-douche Ruger or two, I prefer pre-douche Rugers.





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Old October 31, 2012, 08:46   #3
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I likes all my RUGERS and have always felt Bill Ruger was a genius and did a tremendous amount of good for the firearms industry and the avg Joe shooter.
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Old October 31, 2012, 08:54   #4
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I drug a 6" SS Ruger Security Six around on my hip all over the reservation at White Sands for a couple of years. 125 gr Norma factory (wasn't reloading just then) and never felt lacking. Ended up later gifting it to a friend who was there when I needed some help. I liked that wheel gun a good bit.
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Old October 31, 2012, 21:01   #5
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All that said, I would just as soon carry and shoot a Ruger revolver as any of the others. My “go to” .357 Magnum is probably my 4” GP100 although my little 3-1/16” SP101 finds it way in my pocket more often and if I desire something larger the Speed Six gets the nod.
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Old October 31, 2012, 21:04   #6
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I've heard that since both Sam Colt and Bill Ruger were lefties,they put the loading gate on the side that best suited them. Sure would be easier if it were on the other side.
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That’s right, Elmer said it .................
That's about the only thing in this thread I agree with, Elmer probably did say it. Never subscribed to his theory of 'overkill at any cost' and 'better to miss with a magnum than hit with an adequate caliber'.

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Samuel was left handed but that had nothing to do with the loading gate and ejector assembly being on the right side of the SAA revolver design. Gotta remember that Colt died in 1862 which was eleven years before the SAA was introduced.

The US Army Cavalry troopers were taught to ride holding the reins in their left hand. This was because the right hand was used to wield the saber which was carried in a scabbard on the right front side of the saddle. The revolver was carried in a full flap holster on the left hip so the trooper could cross draw it with his right hand. In order to keep the horse under control and reload the SAA, the loading gate and ejector assembly were placed on the right side of the revolver. This design complied with the Cavalry policy of the time. I can only imagine what it would have been like keeping a galloping horse under control and trying to reload a SAA during a skirmish with Indians.

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Old November 01, 2012, 20:14   #10
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...Oh, just to get it out of the way, I don't want to hear anybody bitching about Bill Ruger selling us out on the hi-caps. It is ancient history at this point and I am long over it.
Hahahhahaa! Too effin bad, princess!

Support the Ruger Revolution:

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Bill
Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to
outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms
(which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to
prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete,
and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of
defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The
large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes
the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could
prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these
objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by
"The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview
with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"
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Old November 02, 2012, 00:21   #11
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NEWS FLASH!!!

Bill Ruger is dead.
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Old November 02, 2012, 03:53   #12
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Hahahhahaa! Too effin bad, princess!

Support the Ruger Revolution:

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Bill
Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to
outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms
(which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to
prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete,
and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of
defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The
large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes
the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could
prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these
objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by
"The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview
with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"
Blah Blah Blah, old news there skippy and as noted above (in case ya didn't hear yet?) Bill Ruger is dead.
RUGER firearms of today does not maintain those same thoughts (JIC ya didn't know that either?)

Jeezus H one might think peeps would have sumthin else to bitch about by now..
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Old November 02, 2012, 12:22   #13
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Sp101 is my daily carry.
I have a stainless single six bought when I was 13. I have fire at least 10000 rounds through it. Here is the embarrassing part, I have never cleaned it. I am
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Old December 28, 2012, 21:40   #14
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Greater love hath no man, than THIS>>>> Ended up later gifting it to a friend who was there when I needed some help. I liked that wheel gun a good bit...
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Old December 29, 2012, 10:46   #15
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"Jeezus H one might think peeps would have sumthin else to bitch about by now.. "


Yeah, that whole idea of banning "high cap clips" died with 'ol Bill, so shut up about it already.
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Oh crap. Somebody call up Di Fi and tell her Bill and his idea are dead.

"Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture."
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Looks like the old bastard's dream might finally be coming true! If the Democrats have any respect at all they will name the new bill in Ruger's honor; something like "The Bill Ruger Child Safety and Protection Act" perhaps.

Viva la Ruger Revolution!!!
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I likes all my RUGERS and have always felt Bill Ruger was a genius and did a tremendous amount of good for the firearms industry and the avg Joe shooter.
Hahahahhaaaa!!!!!!!!!! The irony of it all!!!

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Hey Gary, want to part with the Security Six? Been looking for one for a single lady to use for self defense. A house gun, not for concealed carry. Want a 2" - 4" Service Six, or even a Speed Six, but a Security Six will work.

I've owned 4 (3 Security and 1 Service). Still have the Service Six as my bedroom gun, along with a sawed off 12 ga.

As for Ruger's in general, we've had over 100 of them in the family over time. All flavors...rifles, shotguns and handguns. I still have 7 or 8, incuding a first year 10/22 with a beautiful walnut stock on it! The old man collected 3-screws and had at least one of each. He's sold most off but still has a few. I grew up with a 3-screw .357 Blackhawk that will be coming to me some day.
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OK, politics aside, I will admit to lusting over a lot of Ruger products.

One of these days a no.1 will appear in my safe.
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Close to 30 years ago I purchased a new Ruger No. 1V chambered for the venerable .220 Swift cartridge. I had always wanted a Swift in my varmit rifle battery and the No. 1V could be had for about $350 NIB back then.

It had the 26 inch medium heavy barrel which gave it the necessary barrel length to let the .220 Swift reach 4000 fps with 50 grain bullets. The original Winchester factory load was a 48 gr JSP rated at 4110 fps in the 26 inch barrel of the Model 70.

I mounted a Redfield #3200 16X with the 1/8th minute dot reticle. No factory ammo was being produced at that time except for some very expensive Norma 55 gr JSP loads. I bought 120 Winchester virgin cases and a set of RCBS dies including a neck size only die. The cases were loaded with whatever .224" bullets I had on hand. I fired off these loaded rounds to fire form the cases to the Ruger's chamber. Then the cases were necksized and trimmed to max length as necessary. I worked up a load using Dupont IMR 4064 and the Sierra 55 gr JSP. This load chrono'd at 3750 fps. I could have got another 100 fps but I decided not to push things pressure wise. That load would do 1/2 inch five shot groups at 100 yards off the benchrest as long as I didn't let the barrel overheat by rushing things. Not too shabby for an off the shelf rifle and readily available loading componets....

My first kill was a stupid crow that landed on the 100 yard target frame. He literally turned into an exploding ball of feathers when that 55 gr Sierra hit him. I found bits and pieces of crow scattered over a ten foot circle. Using a Bushnell range finder I measured my longest kill at 330 yards. It was a big boar groundhog. I decided that even though I had read of 400 yard kills on groundhogs I just wasn't going to push my luck. Even a lowly varmit deserves a clean death.

I gave up varmit hunting when the farmers closed their soybean fields. Just too many idiot shooters out there who ruined it for serious varmit shooters like myself. Traded off the No. 1 for something else.

IMHO you just can't go wrong with a No. 1 if you like classic sporting rifles and the challenge of just one shot available.

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I still have a 1V in .220 Swift. A tack driver. I also have a No. 1 in 6mm (another tack driver) and recently sold a No. 1 in .375 H&H.

The .375 and 6mm went with me to Africa.

The .220 Swift and 6mm are two rifles I'll never sell!

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Taking a single shot rifle big game hunting in Africa would be the adventure of a lifetime for someone like myself. If only.......

I did own one other Ruger single shot. A No. 3 carbine with the 22 inch barrel chambered for the .22 Hornet round. It was equipped with a Weaver T6 telescopic sight using the Ruger rings. I found it was necessary to remove the front barrrel band in order to get good accuracy with the 45 gr Speer JHP bullet I used in the small case. I always regarded the Hornet as a "gentlemen's" varmit/small game round. I restricted its use to 150 yards. I had a Sako Vixen .222 Rem for longer shots out to 225 yards.

The little Ruger would cleanly kill crows and groundhogs to 150 yards. The 45 gr Speer didn't vaporize crows like the .220 Swift would but it killed them just as dead.

A friend of mine had a No. 3 chambered for the .45/70 Gov't round. That thing was a beast to shoot even with the mild 405 gr factory load. My friend used it to shoot coyotes on his property. He was one of those big bore heavy bullet at modest velocity shooters. I can't argue with his results though. Those big bullets clobbered coyotes with finality.

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I'd like to have my old Redhawk back. Stainless steel, 5" barrel, .44 magnum, it had everything I needed in a big revolver and nothing I didn't.
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I have never owned any Ruger DA revolvers. But I have gone through a few dozen SA Rugers ever since I bought my first one, a Single Six .22lr at the age of 14.

The only one I really regret letting go of was a late production three screw Blackhawk 4 5/8" in .45 Colt. I had this piece modified with a replacement rear sight that gave a better sight picture than the factory sight did. It sported a set of Herrett's smooth walnut grips and I had a local 'smith give it a trigger job. With my 255 gr LSWC handloads it would give 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards from my Ransom Rest. Hitting one gallon milk jugs filled with water at 100 yards was a cinch once I learned the correct amount of holdover. But one day I got the hots for something else and traded the Blackhawk away. Oh well, I eventually got around to sort of replacing it with a NIB Colt 3rd Gen SAA 4 3/4" in .45 Colt. A prettier piece than the Blackhawk.....

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Samuel was left handed but that had nothing to do with the loading gate and ejector assembly being on the right side of the SAA revolver design. Gotta remember that Colt died in 1862 which was eleven years before the SAA was introduced.

In order to keep the horse under control and reload the SAA, the loading gate and ejector assembly were placed on the right side of the revolver.
I suppose this is much like the M1 Garand 'ping' stories, in that we'll never truly know one way or the other. But in looking at Colt percussion revolvers, they had a cutout similar to the loading gate of an 1873 on the right side recoil shield, presumably to cap the nipples with percussion caps while the cylinder was installed. I doubt U.S. Cavalry SOP's were driving Colt's designs at least as far back as the Colt 1849, if not further. Carrying the right side loading gate into the 1873 could have been a simple case of it's always been that way on Colt's part.
As a lefty, I really don't worry about the why, just enjoy that they were built correctly in the first place.
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The conversions of percussion Colts to metallic cartridges had the ejectors and loading gates mounted on the right.

Just a continuation of "business-as-usual" which the SAA and first Colt Double-Actions followed, I guess.
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A friend of mine had a No. 3 chambered for the .45/70 Gov't round. That thing was a beast to shoot even with the mild 405 gr factory load.
I have had a #3 in .45/70 for many, many years. I have never shot it. But, I have a Marlin 1895 in .45/70 that I know for a certain fact makes deer DRT. As in straight down were they stand. I have a sweet #1 in 30-06 that is a good shooter although it has been many, many years since I shot it. I really ought to take a deer with the #1 some one day, and sell the #3. My bud has a #3 in .375 I would love to have for some reason, because I don't have one I guess.
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I have a #3 in 45/90. It was given to me by a friend and has a Winchester highwall half octagon-halff round barrel on it and custom wood. It's very light and kills on one end, cripples on the other so I don't shoot it much.
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There has been a slew gob of Rugers in my family's inventory over the years and still is. Out of all of them, the Mini 14 was the only one I didnt mind parting ways with on a permanent basis. Today, they are one of the few companies that are still actually innovating in a meaningful way. Their Hawkeye series rifles are nice guns, the .375/.416 Ruger cartridges actually provided an answer for guy's like me that were looking for an affordable medium bores in LH, and their piston AR pretty much atoned for all of Bill's previous sins. BTW, he is dead.
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A friend of mine had a No. 3 chambered for the .45/70 Gov't round. That thing was a beast to shoot even with the mild 405 gr factory load. My friend used it to shoot coyotes on his property. He was one of those big bore heavy bullet at modest velocity shooters. I can't argue with his results though. Those big bullets clobbered coyotes with finality.

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Dad had a No. 1 in .45/70 many years ago, and when we were traveling thru Salmon, Idaho we stopped at Elmer Keith's house and visited for a while. Dad had just bought the .45/70 so he asked Elmer if he could recommend a load. Elmer grabbed an old envelope and jotted down a load off the top of his head, and when we got back to Boise, dad loaded a box and went shooting. Well, he ended up pulling all those rounds after only shooting two rounds. The load was as hot as a .458 Win Mag!
Good old Elmer keith! "All or nothing" should have been his motto!
FYI, dad still has the envelope and load data Elmer Keith jotted down.
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Back in the day Ruger was working on a .308 mini-14. I never did find out why it didn't make it. Anyone know?
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Ruger's plan was to make a .308 semiauto rifle that was less expensive to make and sell than a Springfield Armory M1A. They could not get their rifle to work at the price point they wanted.
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Old January 12, 2013, 18:26   #34
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I had always thought the Min-14 was, generally, a reverse engineered, scaled down M-14 with changes to take advantage of Ruger's manufacturing methods and make the rifle simpler, more modern and less expensive to manufacture.

I also thought the Mini-14 would soon have a "Big Brother" to compete in the international arms sale markets.

Maybe the "success" of the M-16 and it's 5.56 caliber, mostly by the U.S. forcing the caliber on it's NATO allies, destroyed any incentive Ruger had to complete ? the project.
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Dad had a No. 1 in .45/70 many years ago, and when we were traveling thru Salmon, Idaho we stopped at Elmer Keith's house and visited for a while. Dad had just bought the .45/70 so he asked Elmer if he could recommend a load. Elmer grabbed an old envelope and jotted down a load off the top of his head, and when we got back to Boise, dad loaded a box and went shooting. Well, he ended up pulling all those rounds after only shooting two rounds. The load was as hot as a .458 Win Mag!
Good old Elmer keith! "All or nothing" should have been his motto!
FYI, dad still has the envelope and load data Elmer Keith jotted down.
I bet they still did not over-stress the #1. Maybe a shoulder, but not the #1.
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Mini-14 big brother

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I had always thought the Min-14 was, generally, a reverse engineered, scaled down M-14 with changes to take advantage of Ruger's manufacturing methods and make the rifle simpler, more modern and less expensive to manufacture.

I also thought the Mini-14 would soon have a "Big Brother" to compete in the international arms sale markets.

Maybe the "success" of the M-16 and it's 5.56 caliber, mostly by the U.S. forcing the caliber on it's NATO allies, destroyed any incentive Ruger had to complete ? the project.
I had the opportunity to work with Ruger rep.. directly asked this question to him, as I had waited years for the small. 308 version..back before the mini-30 came out..The test batch proved the cartridge was too strong for the Mini-14 carriage.. Plus the recoil was a a challege too..Never made it to the market..I have a spanish Fr-8 and it is a 308 challenge too for its weight and length...
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Old January 15, 2013, 15:12   #37
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I have become convinced Ruger keeps the Mini 14 around because of company nostalgia. Like many of their models, there is probably a dedicated following but it is hard to imagine sales numbers high enough to make it worth keeping. If it was me, I would kill it with fire and open up capacity for more special order runs that are so popular with their clientele.

Maybe I am still bitter about not getting that 6.5x55 Compact Magnum I was hoping they would do a run of.
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I have my fair share of Ruger rifles over the years. Several 10/22's, No .1, No. 3, two M77's, and one Mini-30.

The Mini-30 was a big disappointment. Ruger had discontinued shipping anything but the five round mags for it to civilians like myself. I tried three different aftermarket 20 round mags and none of them were satisfactory. Accuracy with the iron sights and Winchester USA factory loads was mediocre at best. Ditto when I tried the Federal American Eagle. These loads shot no better than the cheap steel cased Norinco I had on hand. My Norinco SKS actually gave tighter groups off the benchrest at 100 yards......

So I swapped it for a NIB Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt and was glad to see the Mini-30 gone. The only Ruger rifle I ever owned that didn't make the grade IMHO.

And so it goes.


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I have my fair share of Ruger rifles over the years. Several 10/22's, No .1, No. 3, two M77's, and one Mini-30.

The Mini-30 was a big disappointment. Ruger had discontinued shipping anything but the five round mags for it to civilians like myself. I tried three different aftermarket 20 round mags and none of them were satisfactory. Accuracy with the iron sights and Winchester USA factory loads was mediocre at best. Ditto when I tried the Federal American Eagle. These loads shot no better than the cheap steel cased Norinco I had on hand. My Norinco SKS actually gave tighter groups off the benchrest at 100 yards......

So I swapped it for a NIB Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt and was glad to see the Mini-30 gone. The only Ruger rifle I ever owned that didn't make the grade IMHO.
And so it goes.
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Me, I like my Mini, and Love the 10-22..especially with the BMF activator..that much fun is almost illegal..
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