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Old January 05, 2013, 23:01   #1
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It boggled the mind what stupid people are paying for EBRs.

ARs are freaking insane.

I'll never buy one, but right now, I wish I owned 50!
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Old January 05, 2013, 23:20   #2
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Did you see anyone actually buying? I didn't see a single rifle sold. Mostly just gawking.
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When there is no food it will be interesting to hear the snide comments
about what a loaf of bread costs. Do you think that people at the food show's
(better known as Grocery Stores) will be polite like the good folks at a
gun show? Panic buying is exactly what the Government wants.


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There is the little issue that most everyone jacking the prices up has been voting to create this situation for decades now so it isn't exactly capitalism either.
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No it is not capatilism. It is called gouging!
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No it is not capatilism. It is called gouging!
You sir are not obligated to buy or sell. When the government tells YOU what to
sell YOUR merchandise for it's no longer free enterprise.
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Old January 07, 2013, 16:18   #7
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You sir are not obligated to buy or sell. When the government tells YOU what to
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I was not aware the government was regulating th cost of a firearm now. call it what you will. It is still gouging.

There is no good reason for AR lower to be selling for $500.00 each. The same receive that was $100.00 yesterday is $500.00 today? Give me a break. Nothing has changed except the threat of restrictive legislation.
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I was not aware the government was regulating th cost of a firearm now. call it what you will. It is still gouging.

There is no good reason for AR lower to be selling for $500.00 each. The same receive that was $100.00 yesterday is $500.00 today? Give me a break. Nothing has changed except the threat of restrictive legislation.

The only reason that they are selling for that price is because someone is willing to buy it for that price.

The last I looked we live in the USA a capitalistic country. Not North Korea or China.
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If I could get 20 grand for a 5 shot Smith wheelgun, I'd do it in a minute.
Why would I sell it for 300 bucks if some schmuk offered to pay 20 grand?

You get what the market will bear. Anything else is communistic.

I laugh at the prices, but hey, if I wanted one, and everybody was the same price, I'd buy if I had to.
If they don't move, someone lowers his price till they do move, and eventually everybody follows if they want to sell product.

Such is the beauty of America, and it's a very good thing.
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It is simple, don't be that sucker and the prices will come down.
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The only reason that they are selling for that price is because someone is willing to buy it for that price.

The last I looked we live in the USA a capitalistic country. Not North Korea or China.
Not exactly a free market on anything in this country since day one, but the odds are the people that are selling it have routinely voted to create the political conditions resulting in the panic.

Think buy a municipal water supply, wait for a drought, set a fire near a residential area, then offer water to fight the fire at inflated rates.
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I thought about going to the Market Hall show but after looking at GB and seeing what has happened I backed out. I'm not real sure if cost will go down very much. Maybe a little. Also whats the deal on the gun buyback. I guess thats for grandmothers who have no idea about the value or even if the gun in loaded or not?
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Not exactly a free market on anything in this country since day one, but the odds are the people that are selling it have routinely voted to create the political conditions resulting in the panic.

Think buy a municipal water supply, wait for a drought, set a fire near a residential area, then offer water to fight the fire at inflated rates.

What they taught us in management class was that only 10% of the people are leaders.

So if the other 90% don't vote for their interests who's fault is that.

If I live in an area that burns and I don't cut a fire break around my house and have a water tank, Who's fault is that?

Rockefeller, Carriage and the others got rich for a reason.
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I was not aware the government was regulating th cost of a firearm now. call it what you will. It is still gouging.

There is no good reason for AR lower to be selling for $500.00 each. The same receive that was $100.00 yesterday is $500.00 today? Give me a break. Nothing has changed except the threat of restrictive legislation.
So you'd prefer that the Goverment step in and tell the Firearms Dealers
and Individual property owners what they could sell them for?
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When there is no food it will be interesting to hear the snide comments
about what a loaf of bread costs. Do you think that people at the food show's
(better known as Grocery Stores) will be polite like the good folks at a
gun show? Panic buying is exactly what the Government wants.

Panic is what government doesn't want.
It usually leads to riots, revolution and the leaders coming to unpleasant ends.
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Never said or even implied that. it is all about greed and what some idiots out there will pay for things. What is worse, is the fact that the dealers have the guts to charge these ludicrous prices. It is all in the name of profit and how much the owner wants to make and the expense of his customers. If they want to gouge people, that is their business. If you want to pay silly money for something that is your business. They will not get my business.

Knowing this, my Imbel on Imbel FAL is for sale for $5000.00.
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Never said or even implied that. it is all about greed and what some idiots out there will pay for things. What is worse, is the fact that the dealers have the guts to charge these ludicrous prices. It is all in the name of profit and how much the owner wants to make and the expense of his customers. If they want to gouge people, that is their business. If you want to pay silly money for something that is your business. They will not get my business.

Knowing this, my Imbel on Imbel FAL is for sale for $5000.00.
I respectively disagree. The people are selling their products at high prices for several reasons, 1) demand is high, 2) supply is low, 3) the supply may not be available again, at least not at the prices which were paid to stock the suppliers shelves with the current products. It is Econ 101! I am perplexed by how many people here say they love the USA and how Socialism and Communism is evil, yet when democracy and capitalism is at it's zenith, they want socialism. Good grief, how many threads on this site alone has this been debated? It isn't gouging if your aren't forcing someone to buy the product. What part of that don't some of you understand? It is Capitalism! Sure I bitch and moan over the prices too, but I am doing it with the thought in the back of my head that "damn, I wish I had had a couple ARs I wouldn't mind parting with as I would be able to afford a couple more receivers, some new shoes for my kid, and maybe even take the little woman out for a nice dinner."


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What they taught us in management class was that only 10% of the people are leaders.

So if the other 90% don't vote for their interests who's fault is that.

If I live in an area that burns and I don't cut a fire break around my house and have a water tank, Who's fault is that?

Rockefeller, Carriage and the others got rich for a reason.
So you would be ok with the water company setting fires in order to create an enhanced market for their product. Sweet.
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Never said or even implied that. it is all about greed and what some idiots out there will pay for things. What is worse, is the fact that the dealers have the guts to charge these ludicrous prices. It is all in the name of profit and how much the owner wants to make and the expense of his customers. If they want to gouge people, that is their business. If you want to pay silly money for something that is your business. They will not get my business.

Knowing this, my Imbel on Imbel FAL is for sale for $5000.00.

I have a question.

If you put that Imbel on Imbel in the PM for 5000.00 and it sells. Is that gouging?

If you put that Imbel on Imbel on GunBroker and it bids up to 8000.00. Is that gouging?
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What they taught us in management class was that only 10% of the people are leaders.

So if the other 90% don't vote for their interests who's fault is that.

If I live in an area that burns and I don't cut a fire break around my house and have a water tank, Who's fault is that?

Rockefeller, Carriage and the others got rich for a reason.
So you would be ok with the water company setting fires in order to create an enhanced market for their product. Sweet.


And you are also in favor of corporate welfare/crony capitalism/political entrepreneurs and then calling it capitalism which it isn't?
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Went to a GS in Longview, total mad house, all the AR's where $1900 and up.

Didn't seem like the dealers were selling a lot.

So when i asked $1800 for my NIB DPMS AP-4, the gentleman couldn't give me the money fast enough and did so with a smile on his face.

Being unprepared or lacking foresight will be expensive.
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So you would be ok with the water company setting fires in order to create an enhanced market for their product. Sweet.
The water co would be prosecuted for arson and any lives that were lost, in criminal court.
They would also be liable for any civil damages that were caused and be sued in civil court.

Now if I knew that there was a big storm coming and I cut all the fire wood that I could to sell when it hit to the people that chose not to. At the highest price that I could get.

Would I be a smart business man or gouging people?

Rockefeller, Carriage and the others didn't get rich being nice, Socialist.
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Now if I knew that there was a big storm coming and I cut all the fire wood that I could to sell when it hit to the people that chose not to. At the highest price that I could get.

Would I be a smart business man or gouging people?
Smart business, capitalism.


When you vote to effectively create the political version of the "big storm" so you can sell your "fire wood" at a higher price, then we have an entirely different situation and it isn't capitalism.
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Market rules - why should anyone offer their prudently purchased item at PRE event prices? market sets the price of everything if left alone - if you are asking too much you will go home with it unsold.
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Market rules - why should anyone offer their prudently purchased item at PRE event prices? market sets the price of everything if left alone - if you are asking too much you will go home with it unsold.
What are you if you voted to cause the market though?
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What are you if you voted to cause the market though?
I only have one vote. It seems that if it was a unfair to the masses they could out vote me.

That is also the reason that they have utility commissions.
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"What are you if you voted to cause the market though?"

I don't know - I didn't vote for him.

Even if you DID vote for him who the fuk KNEW this horror would take place - the prudent factored in the probability, false flag or just a fuking NUT - you are suggesting that an obummer voter is somehow a gouger if they were also a prudent gun buyer - not sure you can make that connection unless said voter had pre-knowledge of an event yet to happen... pretty thin bro.
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I don't know - I didn't vote for him.

Even if you DID vote for him who the fuk KNEW this horror would take place - the prudent factored in the probability, false flag or just a fuking NUT - you are suggesting that an obummer voter is somehow a gouger if they were also a prudent gun buyer - not sure you can make that connection unless said voter had pre-knowledge of an event yet to happen... pretty thin bro.
Can you point me to any election year where either top vote getting candidate was indicating they would fix any of this crap so bumps in the road like this wouldn't be an issue?? If ya voted for either of them(or Perot) you voted to create the atmosphere we have.
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That is also the reason that they have utility commissions.
Wrong is wrong. If you voted for it that is where you stand.

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Guilty on Perot - you got me - but I was a marginally informed dumb ass voter in my 20's - I didn't take the "red pill" until 2007... as much as it shames me to admit it.
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Guilty on Perot - you got me - but I was a marginally informed dumb ass voter in my 20's - I didn't take the "red pill" until 2007... as much as it shames me to admit it.
Now, what climate do you think most of our budding "capitalists" voted to create in every election?
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The first ban, in CA was in 89, Roberti-Roos.
Feinstein coped it for the Fed ban in 94.
The Fed ban expired in 04 and Bush said that he would signed it if it came up again.
Anyone that could not see this coming the first chance that they got, has to have their head buried in the sand.

If you keep your head buried in the sand you will surely get your azz kicked.
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The first ban, in CA was in 89, Roberti-Roos.
Feinstein coped it for the Fed ban in 94.
The Fed ban expired in 04 and Bush said that he would signed it if it came up again.
Anyone that could not see this coming the first chance that they got, has to have their head buried in the sand.

If you keep your head buried in the sand you will surely get your azz kicked.
Obviously the democrats are bad, but the republican voters have also been pro-anti-gun laws as well based on who they voted for. How about the Bush 89 executive order banning the import of the FAL? The 2005 Bush ATF re-interpretation banning the import of barrels and receivers? The Ronald "Mulford Act & MG ban" Reagan? Vote for 21 day waiting period Dole? John "Premier Flag Carrier for the Enemies of the 2nd Amendment" McCain? Mitt "MA semi-auto Ban" Romney? Richard "Guns are an abomination" Nixon?

Anyone who voted for either voted for things exactly as they are now and capitalists they are not.


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NRA Endowment Member, CA Rifle & Pistol Association Life Member, Garand Collectors Association Member and Texas State Rifle Association Member.

I come from LA and have belonged to a union for over 30 years.

I also have given thousands of dollars to defeat the gun grabbers.

The Dem's have F--ed that state up.

But the Rep's cant stop shitting where they EAT!! in CA.
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NRA Endowment Member, CA Rifle & Pistol Association Life Member, Garand Collectors Association Member and Texas State Rifle Association Member.

I come from LA and have belonged to a union for over 30 years.

I also have given thousands of dollars to defeat the gun grabbers.

The Dem's have F--ed that state up.

But the Rep's cant stop shitting where they EAT!! in CA.

So you think it was smart business on the part of the NRA to back GCA 68 and then make money fighting the sporting purposes tests they helped saddle us with in the first place?


All those anti-gun republicans I listed were not exclusive to the PRK.
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Obviously the democrats are bad, but the republican voters have also been pro-anti-gun laws as well based on who they voted for. How about the Bush 89 executive order banning the import of the FAL? The 2005 Bush ATF re-interpretation banning the import of barrels and receivers? The Ronald "Mulford Act & MG ban" Reagan? Vote for 21 day waiting period Dole? John "Premier Flag Carrier for the Enemies of the 2nd Amendment" McCain? Mitt "MA semi-auto Ban" Romney? Richard "Guns are an abomination" Nixon?

Anyone who voted for either voted for things exactly as they are now and capitalists they are not.


Are you an NRA guy?

I have said this before in other threads.
There are pro-gun Dem's and pro-gun Rep's.
I vote for who best protects my interests!!.
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Old January 07, 2013, 22:23   #37
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I have said this before in other threads.
There are pro-gun Dem's and pro-gun Rep's.
I vote for who best protects my interests!!.
You already said you were the NRA who helped put sporting purposes in place and are now making a mint off of fighting what they brought about though.
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Are you an NRA guy?
I wondered how long it would take for you to devolve this thread into an anti-NRA commentary. Do you not have anything else in your arsenal. Good Lord, do you know how sickening it has become that every single thread you contribute to, no strike that, that you piss on, dengenerates into your anti-NRA diatribe? Now I know why others lash out at you so often. Go back under the bridge as you are trolling so blatantly at this point. I enjoy good conversations with differing viewpoints, however you and your arguements have become old and worn out.


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So you think it was smart business on the part of the NRA to back GCA 68 and then make money fighting the sporting purposes tests they helped saddle us with in the first place?


All those anti-gun republicans I listed were not exclusive to the PRK.
You know hind sight is 20/20.

I don't know now old you are. Where you were old enough to know what was happening in 68?

JFK had been Assented in 63. RFK and MLK in 68. There where BIG protests over the war, civil rights marches, race riots in 65 and after MLK was assented.
LBJ was in office with his Great Society program.

The NRA thought that it was a good compromise at the time.

There were some hard liners that didn't like it.

Now we look back on it and say that the NRA sold out and didn't stand their ground but they lived to fight another day.
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Nothing has changed except the threat of restrictive legislation.

And that's the reason we're seeing the high price's. If you haven't got, and need it, you have to pay the piper.
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You know hind sight is 20/20.

I don't know now old you are. Where you were old enough to know what was happening in 68?

JFK had been Assented in 63. RFK and MLK in 68. There where BIG protests over the war, civil rights marches, race riots in 65 and after MLK was assented.
LBJ was in office with his Great Society program.

The NRA thought that it was a good compromise at the time.

There were some hard liners that didn't like it.

Now we look back on it and say that the NRA sold out and didn't stand their ground but they lived to fight another day.
Oh yes it was a compromise, like a hull breach is a compromise.

Considering they keep selling out, it would seem to be a case of what it looks like is what it was.
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I wondered how long it would take for you to devolve this thread into an anti-NRA commentary. Do you not have anything else in your arsenal. Good Lord, do you know how sickening it has become that every single thread you contribute to, no strike that, that you piss on, dengenerates into your anti-NRA diatribe? Now I know why others lash out at you so often. Go back under the bridge as you are trolling so blatantly at this point. I enjoy good conversations with differing viewpoints, however you and your arguements have become old and worn out.


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Wrong is wrong. If you voted for it that is where you stand.

NRA member?

Jason How bout you sell me all your gold at 1995 prices? that would only be
Fair right. How bout your ammo at prices 2 years ago, how bout it.

And yes I'm growing sick of your carping about the NRA too. It's time for you to
go find some place else to spew your nonsense along with Bill, oh wait, no one
else would put up with your shit except for the nice folks here, so if you like it
here and it appears you don't stfu, before I start taking the complaints to a higher
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Oh yes it was a compromise, like a hull breach is a compromise.

Considering they keep selling out, it would seem to be a case of what it looks like is what it was.

SO!! Tell us what gun organizations do you support and how much money and time you have given to them over the years?

I bet I know what that answer is.
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Jason How bout you sell me all your gold at 1995 prices? that would only be
Fair right. How bout your ammo at prices 2 years ago, how bout it.

And yes I'm growing sick of your carping about the NRA too. It's time for you to
go find some place else to spew your nonsense along with Bill, oh wait, no one
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Funny I haven't been voting for the people that have given us the situation we are in.


So you are sick of my pointing out what the NRA does, but you aren't sick of people who attempt to deceive others on what the NRA has done? Let me guess, pointing out what the NRA had done is negative, but the NRA actually doing that crap is positive?


Should I be less consistent like others here? You know, claiming to be infavor of firearms rights then stumping for closing the gun show loop hole, supporting gun banners, and things of that nature? Got someone or some pet anti-gun project you would like me to come up with a positive word or 2 on and make it sound like something out of The Onion?

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SO!! Tell us what gun organizations do you support and how much money and time you have given to them over the years?

I bet I know what that answer is.
GOA, State level groups. Not sure how much time or money.

Now, tell us how your supporting NRA with their selling out helps the 2nd Amendment?
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GOA, State level groups. Not sure how much time or money.

Now, tell us how your supporting NRA with their selling out helps the 2nd Amendment?

So you think the oldest most powerful lobby "Gun Lobby" with 4 Million Members should be flushed down the toilet?

Where was GOA in 1934 when gangsters where shooting up banks and Innocent people.
BTW, FDR signed that act!

Where was GOA in 1968 after JFK, RFK and MLK where assassinated, race riots, anti war protests and bombings of B of A banks.
BTW, LBJ signed that act!

So what has GOA done to protect ARE gun rights?
Name one gun law that they have had overturned on their own?
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So you think the oldest most powerful lobby "Gun Lobby" with 4 Million Members should be flushed down the toilet?

Where was GOA in 1934 when gangsters where shooting up banks and Innocent people.
BTW, FDR signed that act!

Where was GOA in 1968 after JFK, RFK and MLK where assented, race riots, anti war protests and bombings of B of A banks.
BTW, LBJ signed that act!

So what has GOA done to protect ARE gun rights?
Name one gun law that they have had overturned on their own?
Where was NRA in 1934 and 1968? Backing gun control.

YES FDR & LBJ were anti-gun just like Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and others AND just like Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney, and anyone else you likely supported.

Has NRA repealed any? Particularly without adding one in it's stead?

Not sure what GOA has done to protect "ARE gun rights". Do you mean "our"?
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Where was NRA in 1934 and 1968? Backing gun control.

YES FDR & LBJ were anti-gun just like Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama and others AND just like Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney, and anyone else you likely supported.

Has NRA repealed any? Particularly without adding one in it's stead?

Not sure what GOA has done to protect "ARE gun rights". Do you mean "our"?
Well it looks like you don't have the answers to those questions.

It also looks like you were not around or old enough to vote back then, because you would not have had ANYONE to vote for. LOL

The bottom line is WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER or we WON'T WIN!!!!!!

If you don't UNDERSTAND THIS then you are nothing but a LIABILITY to the FIGHT!!!!
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