Did Msar reorganize?

wonderdog451 · December 13, 2012, 11:57

I have always wanted an AUG type rifle and while "surfing" the internet today,I happened upon the "new and improved" Msar website. Which stated they are now on their latest version of their E4 rifle. Does this mean that it is now safe to buy their products again? I was always partial to the AUG with the traditional 4X optic and may actually be considering buying one. Believe it or not, they are even showing that they have developed a 16.5" 300 Blackout barrel group for this rifle, even though it is only a 1 in 7 twist.

**xtremerange** · December 13, 2012, 13:02

They did re-open doors and are selling a new version/generation. Internet chatter is that it is not selling too well. Most people blame the history. I would say there might be a lot of oversupply since (judging by gunbroker) the Aug A3 is not moving fast either.

nwobhm · December 13, 2012, 16:49

Is MSAR Microtech? Microtech fame that dates back to Florida with Tony Marfone?

wonderdog451 · December 13, 2012, 23:35

As fas as I know they are the infamous Microtech Small Arms Research company that had so many problems with their own Aug-type design.

Airacuda · December 15, 2012, 12:55

Please do your research before purchasing from MSAR. The Steyr AUG A3 and A3CQC are available now by PJS-Steyr.com and you will have no problems with Steyr.

lawdog · December 26, 2012, 18:49

Brother, there isn't anything AUG style available anywhere except on Gunbroken. Pete Athens (PJs) is out and doesn't know for sure what, if any he will get back in from Steyr. Steyr is closed for the holidays and then off to SHOT for 2 weeks. If they don't ship soon, they might not beat whatever Husein Obama puts in place to prevent buying them. If I understand correctly, Athens might have hundreds of buyers on his waiting list

Ratworx is out of Steyrs as well. The vast majority of MSARs were good to go according to Dave Robertson.

**olgier** · December 26, 2012, 19:03

You couldn't pay me to own another one.

Mainframe · December 30, 2012, 14:05

My MSAR E4 has run like a champ since Day One.

It runs just fine w/ Wolf (cheap ammo = lots of practice) as well as brass ammo.

Once I installed the Neu-Trigger mod, the trigger ceased to suck.

If I had the cash and if I were in the market for one I wouldn't hesitate to buy another MSAR.

I realize that my experience w/ MSAR is just that - my experience - but I subscribe to the school that says for every one complaining customer that you read online, there are 100 or 1,000 satisfied customers that you don't read about. Not denigrating the folks claiming that they have a legit problem with their MSARs - they would know their MSAR better than I - but mine has been awesome right from the get-go.

As in all things internet-related, YMMV; but that's mine.

Pax,

Ed

For The Record: Aside from being a customer, I have zero connection with MSAR in any way, manner, shape, or form.

JB Books · December 30, 2012, 17:17

I have a MSAR STG556 and it runs great. No regrets at all.

trencher · January 06, 2013, 21:07

I traded my MSAR for an AUG. Plus extra on my end. No regrets.

GySgt D · January 12, 2013, 18:02

Mine should never have left the factory.

Mad Dog 7.62 · February 22, 2013, 13:39

I have an early STG556 and mine is awesome! Very nice machine work, runs flawlessly! Eats any kind of ammo I feed it, I just set the gas port to the adverse setting with Wolf. I have heard the 42 round mags dont feed well but I only have one of those and rarely use it, but have noted no problems with it. The only gripe I had was the trigger and I put one of those trigger pull improver thingies in it and its much better. Not the gun I will grab when the zombies come (SCAR 17S for that!) but certainly not a bad little rifle.

acolonelofcorn · February 22, 2013, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Is MSAR Microtech? Microtech fame that dates back to Florida with Tony Marfone?

the same disreputable scum

rpk74dr · February 22, 2013, 21:09

I have a magazine that self destructed while loaded that I would like replaced.contacted them no response.

**tngunman** · February 24, 2013, 13:30

For what they are selling for they had better be pretty darn good

**indy_Muaddib** · February 26, 2013, 16:12

with the exception of 3 bad mags (which they replaced with higher cap ones) my msar jagers ran like a swiss watch since the day i got it.

December 13, 2012, 11:57	#1
wonderdog451 Registered FALaholic #: 20069 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Warren,michigan Posts: 1,754	Did Msar reorganize? I have always wanted an AUG type rifle and while "surfing" the internet today,I happened upon the "new and improved" Msar website. Which stated they are now on their latest version of their E4 rifle. Does this mean that it is now safe to buy their products again? I was always partial to the AUG with the traditional 4X optic and may actually be considering buying one. Believe it or not, they are even showing that they have developed a 16.5" 300 Blackout barrel group for this rifle, even though it is only a 1 in 7 twist.

December 13, 2012, 13:02	#2
xtremerange Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 4305 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,579	They did re-open doors and are selling a new version/generation. Internet chatter is that it is not selling too well. Most people blame the history. I would say there might be a lot of oversupply since (judging by gunbroker) the Aug A3 is not moving fast either. __________________ --David Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. --Mark Twain

December 15, 2012, 12:55	#5
Airacuda Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 62937 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 234	Please do your research before purchasing from MSAR. The Steyr AUG A3 and A3CQC are available now by PJS-Steyr.com and you will have no problems with Steyr. __________________ "Wanting is sometimes better than having. It is not logical,but often true."

December 26, 2012, 19:03	#7
olgier Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 17951 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: maine Posts: 2,793	You couldn't pay me to own another one. __________________ “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play. The tune does not matter, so long it is the only one the public is allowed to hear. Eventually they will all dance.” – Joseph Goebbels "And if you believe ANYTHING a musloid or a Marxist tells you, even about simple, rudimentary arithmetic, you deserve whatever hell you get." - Ann Barnhardt

December 30, 2012, 14:05	#8
Mainframe Registered FALaholic #: 34190 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 26	My MSAR E4 has run like a champ since Day One. It runs just fine w/ Wolf (cheap ammo = lots of practice) as well as brass ammo. Once I installed the Neu-Trigger mod, the trigger ceased to suck. If I had the cash and if I were in the market for one I wouldn't hesitate to buy another MSAR. I realize that my experience w/ MSAR is just that - my experience - but I subscribe to the school that says for every one complaining customer that you read online, there are 100 or 1,000 satisfied customers that you don't read about. Not denigrating the folks claiming that they have a legit problem with their MSARs - they would know their MSAR better than I - but mine has been awesome right from the get-go. As in all things internet-related, YMMV; but that's mine. Pax, Ed For The Record: Aside from being a customer, I have zero connection with MSAR in any way, manner, shape, or form. __________________ Frieden Durch Überlegene Feuerkraft! The Second Amendment Makes All The Others Possible... Last edited by Mainframe; December 30, 2012 at 14:12. Reason: Clarification

December 13, 2012, 16:49	#3
nwobhm ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ FALaholic #: 9580 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,484	Is MSAR Microtech? Microtech fame that dates back to Florida with Tony Marfone?

December 13, 2012, 23:35	#4
wonderdog451 Registered FALaholic #: 20069 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Warren,michigan Posts: 1,754	As fas as I know they are the infamous Microtech Small Arms Research company that had so many problems with their own Aug-type design.

December 26, 2012, 18:49	#6
lawdog Registered FALaholic #: 7773 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,124	Brother, there isn't anything AUG style available anywhere except on Gunbroken. Pete Athens (PJs) is out and doesn't know for sure what, if any he will get back in from Steyr. Steyr is closed for the holidays and then off to SHOT for 2 weeks. If they don't ship soon, they might not beat whatever Husein Obama puts in place to prevent buying them. If I understand correctly, Athens might have hundreds of buyers on his waiting list Ratworx is out of Steyrs as well. The vast majority of MSARs were good to go according to Dave Robertson.

December 30, 2012, 17:17	#9
JB Books Registered FALaholic #: 38818 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lost State of Franklin Posts: 65	I have a MSAR STG556 and it runs great. No regrets at all.

January 06, 2013, 21:07	#10
trencher Registered FALaholic #: 64167 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: MA Posts: 26	I traded my MSAR for an AUG. Plus extra on my end. No regrets.

January 12, 2013, 18:02	#11
GySgt D Registered FALaholic #: 232 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: The Redneck Riviera Posts: 1,093	Mine should never have left the factory. __________________ Th' FAL is wifout a doubt th' finess rifle available fo' defendin' yer mobile home or huntin' camp fum them uppity Federales. Yo' kin use it equally fine while jack-lightin' deer or keepin' th' possum sheriff at a comfy distance.

February 22, 2013, 13:39	#12
Mad Dog 7.62 Registered FALaholic #: 4815 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,190	I have an early STG556 and mine is awesome! Very nice machine work, runs flawlessly! Eats any kind of ammo I feed it, I just set the gas port to the adverse setting with Wolf. I have heard the 42 round mags dont feed well but I only have one of those and rarely use it, but have noted no problems with it. The only gripe I had was the trigger and I put one of those trigger pull improver thingies in it and its much better. Not the gun I will grab when the zombies come (SCAR 17S for that!) but certainly not a bad little rifle. __________________ _____________________________ "We don't talk Yakkity Yak. We talk lead." Earl Swagger, Hot Springs

February 22, 2013, 21:09	#14
rpk74dr Registered FALaholic #: 7901 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 916	I have a magazine that self destructed while loaded that I would like replaced.contacted them no response.

February 24, 2013, 13:30	#15
tngunman Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 64639 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: knoxville, tn Posts: 580	For what they are selling for they had better be pretty darn good

February 26, 2013, 16:12	#16
indy_Muaddib Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 17581 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 3,059	with the exception of 3 bad mags (which they replaced with higher cap ones) my msar jagers ran like a swiss watch since the day i got it. __________________ All government, in its essence, is a conspiracy against the superior man: its one permanent object is to oppress him and cripple him. If it be aristocratic in organization, then it seeks to protect the man who is superior only in law against the man who is superior in fact; if it be democratic, then it seeks to protect the man who is inferior in every way against both. One of its primary functions is to regiment men by force, to make them as much alike as possible and as dependent upon one another as possible, to search out and combat originality among them. All it can see in an original idea is potential change, and hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are. -H.L. Mencken 1919 Were not that lucky.

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