VZ 58

Anzio44 · December 01, 2012, 14:33

Not sure if anyone is interested, but I picked up one of the VZ 58 kits from Apex for $175 recently. The parts kit was in brand new condition and the bolt had not even fired a live round. The sales rotate, so just keep checking. Basicly, it's a Polish design of an AK. Lighter weight and a milled reciver vs a stamped reciever. Should anyone else be interested in building one here is some info.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/
http://shop.roninsgrips.com/Czech-VZ58-Grips_c4.htm
http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz58.aspx
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/produc...sories/?list=7
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MAKAG58
http://northeasternarms.com/accessories/cz-858-vz-58
https://assaultweaponsofohio.net/sho...tegory&path=61
http://aa-ok.com/catalogsearch/resul...&commit=Go&p=2
http://50ae.net/vz58-2/
http://www.projectguns.com/vz581.html
http://www.bonesteelarms.com/VZ-58_c2.htm
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=76
http://www.theakforum.net/files/VZ58-BUILD.pdf
http://www.zahal.org/groups/shop-sa-vz-58-cz-858
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?board=67.0

Make sure you check for all parts before starting and happy building!

Peconga · December 01, 2012, 16:23

What receiver are you going to use? ORF or D-Technik? Or going the roll-your-own re-weld route?

cbr954fz1 · December 01, 2012, 17:46

wow, thats some great info

thanks for the share..cbr

julysol · December 01, 2012, 19:03

Not a re-design of an ak and its a Czech rifle, not Polish. AK and VZ58 are completely different animals. The only thing they share is the ammo they eat.
The extreme curve of the mag gives it a similar appearance from afar and to those not in the know.

I built one from one of Apex's parts kits. Mine wasn't unfired but in excellent condition and built up really nice and is very accurate. It doesn't like to feed Yugo brass ammo though. I'm sure a massage on the feed ramp would fix that, but I haven't gotten around to doing that yet.

Before you order your receiver, you need to know that there are different barrel sizes at the point where the barrel presses into the receiver so you'll need a precise measurement and order a receiver with the correct press fit for your particular barrel. The differences are a matter of a mil. or 2 of an inch. Make sure you use a calibrated tool when you measure it.

fugi · December 02, 2012, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anzio44

Basicly, it's a Polish design of an AK.

After reading http://50ae.net/vz58-2/ I hoped you would have also read http://50ae.net/VZ-vs-AK/

If you choose to build it out, go with the D-Technik receiver, ORF isn't quite in spec with regards to the feed ramp and receiver cover pin hole, which also functions to contain the striker and recoil spring.

cbr954fz1 · December 02, 2012, 00:51

tried to find a D-Technik receiver but no luck

.i hate to say it but the selector mod has me abit nervous...cbr

Dirt1042 · December 05, 2012, 03:54

I'm kinda wanting to do this. I woud send it off to be done. Who's a good smith that is willing to work with an ORF receiver?

cbr954fz1 · December 05, 2012, 14:22

i found out that CNC warrior is finally doing the vz rec and they're taking preorders for them..due jan-feb at $340.. i think thats the way to go..i've built on the orf rec but i got mine long before they went out of business..i had to knurl the barrel for a tighter fit but it came out fine. i also built one w/an original czech rec but 10rd that took some fitting.. cbr

fugi · December 05, 2012, 16:35

Holy crap, CNC warrior is going to make them. I had no idea they even made receivers, now I have so many more parts kits to buy.

Dirt1042 · December 06, 2012, 10:39

Sweet looks like they have the flash hider needed as well. As far as compliance parts is there anything good out there besides ORF? Seems everything they did was jacked up.

cbr954fz1 · December 06, 2012, 14:43

only need 5 u.s. parts for a vz...cnc rec, cnc brake and cnc hts...done

armoredman · December 06, 2012, 19:43

czechpointusa.com has all the parts you need. Compliance parts can also be had from Bonesteele Arms, including some excellent FCGs. The only vz-58s that don't need to play the 10 or less game are the vz-58 pistols and the single stack 10 round magazine only versions. There is also a Cali compliant version with bullet button that loads with stripper clips.

alphadog58 · December 07, 2012, 09:46

Oh great, Something else I just gotta build...
Larry

Dirt1042 · December 07, 2012, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphadog58

Oh great, Something else I just gotta build...
Larry

I know what you mean. I kinda wanted one of these a while back and now those new receivers coming are making them look even better when I don't have to use ORF.

navajo · December 09, 2012, 22:21

First 58 I saw was in 1967. Been wanting one since. Bought Czechpoint a few years ago. Superb weapon. Light, fast handleing and accurate.

Dirt1042 · December 22, 2012, 15:37

I pulled the proverbial trigger and bought a folding stock kit, bayo, and a few mags. Next, I just need to place an order on a CNCwarrior receiver and comp parts. Then find a builder to ratchet one together for me.

What kind of finish should be used on these?

tsmgguy · December 23, 2012, 10:41

This seller (Not my ad; no connection) has new condition Vz.58 mags for under $16 each when you buy 10. The ones sent to me are a very dark gray, almost black. Czechpoint-usa has the compliance parts for $1.50 each if you need them.

http://jesticearms.com/10-pack-VZ58.htm

Dirt1042 · December 23, 2012, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmgguy

This seller (Not my ad; no connection) has new condition Vz.58 mags for under $16 each when you buy 10. The ones sent to me are a very dark gray, almost black. Czechpoint-usa has the compliance parts for $1.50 each if you need them.

http://jesticearms.com/10-pack-VZ58.htm

SOLD OUT

**drmetzger** · December 31, 2012, 20:54

There are some VZ58 magazines for sale in the marketplace.

FUUN063 · January 03, 2013, 07:56

I built mine up on an ORF receiver and that part of it went together quickly. They are really not that bad and the selector mod is not that bad either, using the receiver as a guide when final assembly. I put the CNC warrior muzzle device on and it looks like the original, so no complaints there. The issue I had was with the CNC warrior HTS. It took a bit of thinking to figure out what was happening, but once the lightbulb turned on, a very simple fix. The CNC warrior sear sat just a tad too far DOWN and locked up the entire works upon cocking and would not let anything happen. This caused me to reach inside the guts with a small tool, trip the sear and then disassemble as normal. A little weld "spot" under neath it and Dremel to thickness cured that. A pretty simple build, really. At one time, I had 20 or 30 of these kits and I noticed a little difference in the colors ranging from a nice medium battleship gray to a greenish gray to a dark, almost HK gray. I would paint to match whatever mags you got. By the way, lockup on these lightweight rifles is not even close to a standard AK. They use a toggle similar to the German P38 if you are familiar with those. Some folks have experienced a slight "hammering" of the receiver metal at this lockup point, but so far, I have not heard of it going past only a slight amount. Good luck.

Leland

tsmgguy · January 05, 2013, 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirt1042

SOLD OUT

Wow. That was fast. He had 1,000s of these.

**nightschneider** · January 05, 2013, 15:12

looking at gunbroker, the VZ58's seem to be flying under the radar of all the ban hysteria...looking at what things are actually being bid up to, a nice D-Technic gun can be had for under $1000...

that's a hell of a value in the land of $2500 dollar AR15's...

Dirt1042 · January 05, 2013, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightschneider

looking at gunbroker, the VZ58's seem to be flying under the radar of all the ban hysteria...looking at what things are actually being bid up to, a nice D-Technic gun can be had for under $1000...

that's a hell of a value in the land of $2500 dollar AR15's...

Shhhhhh don't tell anyone.

Full kits with barrel are still around $250. $340 for receiver and under a bill for rest of Comp parts and you got a vz 58 for $690. Better buy mags first though.

Dirt1042 · January 05, 2013, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmgguy

Wow. That was fast. He had 1,000s of these.

Oh he still has some.....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=324318437

Anzio44 · January 08, 2013, 22:05

https://assaultweaponsofohio.net/sho...tegory&path=61

These are the folks who I purchased my reciever from. They post on gunbroker cheaper than what is on the site. I will start building mine after my trip to the sandbox. Sorry, haven't been around due to training... Hope it helps!

Dirt1042 · May 03, 2013, 22:12

Anybody hear about the CNC warrior receivers yet?

December 01, 2012, 14:33	#1
Anzio44 Registered FALaholic #: 64554 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Clovis, NM Posts: 4	VZ 58 Not sure if anyone is interested, but I picked up one of the VZ 58 kits from Apex for $175 recently. The parts kit was in brand new condition and the bolt had not even fired a live round. The sales rotate, so just keep checking. Basicly, it's a Polish design of an AK. Lighter weight and a milled reciver vs a stamped reciever. Should anyone else be interested in building one here is some info. https://www.apexgunparts.com/ http://shop.roninsgrips.com/Czech-VZ58-Grips_c4.htm http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz58.aspx http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/produc...sories/?list=7 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MAKAG58 http://northeasternarms.com/accessories/cz-858-vz-58 https://assaultweaponsofohio.net/sho...tegory&path=61 http://aa-ok.com/catalogsearch/resul...&commit=Go&p=2 http://50ae.net/vz58-2/ http://www.projectguns.com/vz581.html http://www.bonesteelarms.com/VZ-58_c2.htm http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=76 http://www.theakforum.net/files/VZ58-BUILD.pdf http://www.zahal.org/groups/shop-sa-vz-58-cz-858 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?board=67.0 Make sure you check for all parts before starting and happy building!

December 01, 2012, 16:23	#2
Peconga Registered FALaholic #: 1881 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Idaho USA Posts: 799	What receiver are you going to use? ORF or D-Technik? Or going the roll-your-own re-weld route? __________________ Yr hmbl srvnt, Peconga "Do the best you can, with what you have, where you are." Teddy Roosevelt

December 02, 2012, 00:51	#6
cbr954fz1 Registered FALaholic #: 35401 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 1,079	tried to find a D-Technik receiver but no luck.i hate to say it but the selector mod has me abit nervous...cbr

December 05, 2012, 03:54	#7
Dirt1042 Registered FALaholic #: 21859 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 3,799	I'm kinda wanting to do this. I woud send it off to be done. Who's a good smith that is willing to work with an ORF receiver? __________________ ORO Y PLATA! ~Pain By Steel Rain~ R 5/10 2nd Mar Div

December 06, 2012, 10:39	#10
Dirt1042 Registered FALaholic #: 21859 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 3,799	Sweet looks like they have the flash hider needed as well. As far as compliance parts is there anything good out there besides ORF? Seems everything they did was jacked up. __________________ ORO Y PLATA! ~Pain By Steel Rain~ R 5/10 2nd Mar Div

December 01, 2012, 17:46	#3
cbr954fz1 Registered FALaholic #: 35401 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 1,079	wow, thats some great info thanks for the share..cbr

December 01, 2012, 19:03	#4
julysol Registered FALaholic #: 6729 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 423	Not a re-design of an ak and its a Czech rifle, not Polish. AK and VZ58 are completely different animals. The only thing they share is the ammo they eat. The extreme curve of the mag gives it a similar appearance from afar and to those not in the know. I built one from one of Apex's parts kits. Mine wasn't unfired but in excellent condition and built up really nice and is very accurate. It doesn't like to feed Yugo brass ammo though. I'm sure a massage on the feed ramp would fix that, but I haven't gotten around to doing that yet. Before you order your receiver, you need to know that there are different barrel sizes at the point where the barrel presses into the receiver so you'll need a precise measurement and order a receiver with the correct press fit for your particular barrel. The differences are a matter of a mil. or 2 of an inch. Make sure you use a calibrated tool when you measure it.

December 05, 2012, 14:22	#8
cbr954fz1 Registered FALaholic #: 35401 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 1,079	i found out that CNC warrior is finally doing the vz rec and they're taking preorders for them..due jan-feb at $340.. i think thats the way to go..i've built on the orf rec but i got mine long before they went out of business..i had to knurl the barrel for a tighter fit but it came out fine. i also built one w/an original czech rec but 10rd that took some fitting.. cbr

December 05, 2012, 16:35	#9
fugi Registered FALaholic #: 12996 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 11	Holy crap, CNC warrior is going to make them. I had no idea they even made receivers, now I have so many more parts kits to buy.

December 06, 2012, 14:43	#11
cbr954fz1 Registered FALaholic #: 35401 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 1,079	only need 5 u.s. parts for a vz...cnc rec, cnc brake and cnc hts...done

December 06, 2012, 19:43	#12
armoredman Registered FALaholic #: 65103 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Arizona City Posts: 89	czechpointusa.com has all the parts you need. Compliance parts can also be had from Bonesteele Arms, including some excellent FCGs. The only vz-58s that don't need to play the 10 or less game are the vz-58 pistols and the single stack 10 round magazine only versions. There is also a Cali compliant version with bullet button that loads with stripper clips.

December 07, 2012, 09:46	#13
alphadog58 Duke of Yankeedom Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 9405 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: SE CT Posts: 2,379	Oh great, Something else I just gotta build... Larry __________________ "I aim to make mischief." Nathan Fillion in "Serenity". "Man, I know. Ever'body funny, you funny, too." George Thorogood

December 09, 2012, 22:21	#15
navajo Registered FALaholic #: 20198 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: texas Posts: 24	58 First 58 I saw was in 1967. Been wanting one since. Bought Czechpoint a few years ago. Superb weapon. Light, fast handleing and accurate.

December 22, 2012, 15:37	#16
Dirt1042 Registered FALaholic #: 21859 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 3,799	I pulled the proverbial trigger and bought a folding stock kit, bayo, and a few mags. Next, I just need to place an order on a CNCwarrior receiver and comp parts. Then find a builder to ratchet one together for me. What kind of finish should be used on these? __________________ ORO Y PLATA! ~Pain By Steel Rain~ R 5/10 2nd Mar Div

December 23, 2012, 10:41	#17
tsmgguy Registered FALaholic #: 7915 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 254	This seller (Not my ad; no connection) has new condition Vz.58 mags for under $16 each when you buy 10. The ones sent to me are a very dark gray, almost black. Czechpoint-usa has the compliance parts for $1.50 each if you need them. http://jesticearms.com/10-pack-VZ58.htm

December 31, 2012, 20:54	#19
drmetzger Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 64839 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: NY Posts: 377	There are some VZ58 magazines for sale in the marketplace.

January 03, 2013, 07:56	#20
FUUN063 Computer Illiterate Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 35576 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Converse, Indiana Posts: 4,591	I built mine up on an ORF receiver and that part of it went together quickly. They are really not that bad and the selector mod is not that bad either, using the receiver as a guide when final assembly. I put the CNC warrior muzzle device on and it looks like the original, so no complaints there. The issue I had was with the CNC warrior HTS. It took a bit of thinking to figure out what was happening, but once the lightbulb turned on, a very simple fix. The CNC warrior sear sat just a tad too far DOWN and locked up the entire works upon cocking and would not let anything happen. This caused me to reach inside the guts with a small tool, trip the sear and then disassemble as normal. A little weld "spot" under neath it and Dremel to thickness cured that. A pretty simple build, really. At one time, I had 20 or 30 of these kits and I noticed a little difference in the colors ranging from a nice medium battleship gray to a greenish gray to a dark, almost HK gray. I would paint to match whatever mags you got. By the way, lockup on these lightweight rifles is not even close to a standard AK. They use a toggle similar to the German P38 if you are familiar with those. Some folks have experienced a slight "hammering" of the receiver metal at this lockup point, but so far, I have not heard of it going past only a slight amount. Good luck. Leland

January 05, 2013, 15:12	#22
nightschneider Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1993 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kalispell, MT USA Posts: 778	looking at gunbroker, the VZ58's seem to be flying under the radar of all the ban hysteria...looking at what things are actually being bid up to, a nice D-Technic gun can be had for under $1000... that's a hell of a value in the land of $2500 dollar AR15's... __________________ Some will die in hot pursuit in fiery auto crashes. Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes. Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avelanche coming down the mountain.

January 08, 2013, 22:05	#25
Anzio44 Registered FALaholic #: 64554 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Clovis, NM Posts: 4	Recievers https://assaultweaponsofohio.net/sho...tegory&path=61 These are the folks who I purchased my reciever from. They post on gunbroker cheaper than what is on the site. I will start building mine after my trip to the sandbox. Sorry, haven't been around due to training... Hope it helps!

May 03, 2013, 22:12	#26
Dirt1042 Registered FALaholic #: 21859 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 3,799	Anybody hear about the CNC warrior receivers yet? __________________ ORO Y PLATA! ~Pain By Steel Rain~ R 5/10 2nd Mar Div

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