Milrad or MOA scope reticle?

hongkong3 · December 15, 2012, 19:02

I'm going to put a SWFA 10x42 SS scope on my new Remington 700 SPS and I can't decide on which reticle to get, MOA or Milrad. I have zero experience with either system and will be learning from scratch. The MOA looks simpler but it looks like the dots would obscure more of the target while the Milrad has open hash marks. I need to make a decision quickly so Santa can deliver it in time.

Fn/form · December 16, 2012, 17:35

I looked and didn't see an MOA model @ SWFA. They're all mil/mil?

I don't see why anyone would want to use anything other than mil for ranging or varying distance shooting. The ballistic tools and training available are geared for mil.

I just wish they offered .25 or .5 intervals as well as the .1.

tac-40 · December 18, 2012, 15:39

I have the SWFA SS 10x42 Mil-dot mounted on my FN bolt gun. I have no problems with the "dot" obscuring the targets or view out to 600 yds. Can't say about further cause I haven't put it on a longer range. Yet

**longhair51** · December 18, 2012, 23:42

I don't have a SS mildot anymore, but this is a good way to learn MILs or MOA. If you are a beginner to scope ranging, this is good.

http://www.shooterready.com/lrs.html

EricCartmanR1 · December 19, 2012, 19:17

Matching reticle is better. Miss 1.3 mils low? No problem.. just go 1.3 mil up on the turrets to get dead on!

Mil/Mil (mil reticle with mil knobs) is very common these days.

MOA/MOA is what I prefer only because I have my drop table memorized in MOA. I have 3 NightForce with MOA/MOA. I think NF are the least expensive scope with MOA/MOA, and Nightforces are not cheap!

Though I have to say, I also have no problems with Mil/MOA (Mil reticle with MOA knobs). Most scopes back in the day were Mildot with 1/4 MOA knobs. I have been shooting so long with mismatch retilce/knobs that it is natural for me. I can mad adjustments without calculations.

I just remember 4 values:

1 mil ~ 3.5 MOA ~ or 3 MOA + 2 clicks
.5 mil ~ 1.75 MOA ~ 2MOA - 1 click
.25 mil ~ 1 MOA
.1 mil ~ 2 clicks

Now because I memorized the 4 values above, I can easily adjust with Mil Reticle. Someone can spot for me in Mils and say.. "you are 2.2 Mils too low"... so I just remember... 1 mil + 1 mil + .2 mils... or 3.5 MOA + 3.5 MOA + 1 MOA.

Basically I will turn my knobs up 3.5 MOA (for one Mil) + another 3.5 MOA (for the 2nd Mil) + go up another 1 MOA (for .25 mils).

In total I will be going up 8 MOA, but I do not want to calculate.. just do! and guess what? If you do the real calculations, where 1 mil = 3.6 MOA... you will see that my estimation were almost dead on! As 3.6MOA x 2.2 = 7.92 MOA!

hongkong3 · December 27, 2012, 10:51

Santa left me a SWFA 10x42 SS scope, Milldot Master and a EGW standard base, I'm a very happy camper!

Fn/form · December 27, 2012, 18:23

Which reticle does yours have?

hongkong3 · December 28, 2012, 09:20

I got the mil dot reticle because the other was way too busy for my simple needs. I'm amazed at how clear the optics are on this scope especially at that price point, can't wait to get it mounted.

December 15, 2012, 19:02	#1
hongkong3 Double G's Personal Troll FALaholic #: 3565 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Left Coast Latte Land Posts: 361	Milrad or MOA scope reticle? I'm going to put a SWFA 10x42 SS scope on my new Remington 700 SPS and I can't decide on which reticle to get, MOA or Milrad. I have zero experience with either system and will be learning from scratch. The MOA looks simpler but it looks like the dots would obscure more of the target while the Milrad has open hash marks. I need to make a decision quickly so Santa can deliver it in time. __________________ Lest we forget Gougered (gôôg • erd), German, adj. 1. Slang. Bilked: cheated. 2. To be deceived or tricked. 3. To be deprive of some right or something legally due. 4. Deliberate misleading or deluding, to produce misunderstanding or to prevent someone from knowing the truth 5. To be deceived by a stratagem, often of a petty, crafty, or dishonorable kind. ©

December 18, 2012, 15:39	#3
tac-40 Moderator Armed Curmudgeon FALaholic #: 12090 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SC-Low Country Posts: 4,529	I have the SWFA SS 10x42 Mil-dot mounted on my FN bolt gun. I have no problems with the "dot" obscuring the targets or view out to 600 yds. Can't say about further cause I haven't put it on a longer range. Yet __________________ Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF ______________________________ If you do in fact have a problem, you have the rest of your life to solve it. How long your life lasts only depends on how well you solve it.

December 18, 2012, 23:42	#4
longhair51 Constitutional curmudgeon Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 5884 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MO Posts: 1,248	I don't have a SS mildot anymore, but this is a good way to learn MILs or MOA. If you are a beginner to scope ranging, this is good. http://www.shooterready.com/lrs.html __________________ "Political language — and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists — is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." George Orwell

December 27, 2012, 10:51	#6
hongkong3 Double G's Personal Troll FALaholic #: 3565 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Left Coast Latte Land Posts: 361	Santa left me a SWFA 10x42 SS scope, Milldot Master and a EGW standard base, I'm a very happy camper! __________________ Lest we forget Gougered (gôôg • erd), German, adj. 1. Slang. Bilked: cheated. 2. To be deceived or tricked. 3. To be deprive of some right or something legally due. 4. Deliberate misleading or deluding, to produce misunderstanding or to prevent someone from knowing the truth 5. To be deceived by a stratagem, often of a petty, crafty, or dishonorable kind. ©

December 28, 2012, 09:20	#8
hongkong3 Double G's Personal Troll FALaholic #: 3565 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Left Coast Latte Land Posts: 361	I got the mil dot reticle because the other was way too busy for my simple needs. I'm amazed at how clear the optics are on this scope especially at that price point, can't wait to get it mounted. __________________ Lest we forget Gougered (gôôg • erd), German, adj. 1. Slang. Bilked: cheated. 2. To be deceived or tricked. 3. To be deprive of some right or something legally due. 4. Deliberate misleading or deluding, to produce misunderstanding or to prevent someone from knowing the truth 5. To be deceived by a stratagem, often of a petty, crafty, or dishonorable kind. ©

December 16, 2012, 17:35	#2
Fn/form Function over Form Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 14765 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 1,243	I looked and didn't see an MOA model @ SWFA. They're all mil/mil? I don't see why anyone would want to use anything other than mil for ranging or varying distance shooting. The ballistic tools and training available are geared for mil. I just wish they offered .25 or .5 intervals as well as the .1.

December 19, 2012, 19:17	#5
EricCartmanR1 Hobbyist among Operators Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 20092 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,565	Matching reticle is better. Miss 1.3 mils low? No problem.. just go 1.3 mil up on the turrets to get dead on! Mil/Mil (mil reticle with mil knobs) is very common these days. MOA/MOA is what I prefer only because I have my drop table memorized in MOA. I have 3 NightForce with MOA/MOA. I think NF are the least expensive scope with MOA/MOA, and Nightforces are not cheap! Though I have to say, I also have no problems with Mil/MOA (Mil reticle with MOA knobs). Most scopes back in the day were Mildot with 1/4 MOA knobs. I have been shooting so long with mismatch retilce/knobs that it is natural for me. I can mad adjustments without calculations. I just remember 4 values: 1 mil ~ 3.5 MOA ~ or 3 MOA + 2 clicks .5 mil ~ 1.75 MOA ~ 2MOA - 1 click .25 mil ~ 1 MOA .1 mil ~ 2 clicks Now because I memorized the 4 values above, I can easily adjust with Mil Reticle. Someone can spot for me in Mils and say.. "you are 2.2 Mils too low"... so I just remember... 1 mil + 1 mil + .2 mils... or 3.5 MOA + 3.5 MOA + 1 MOA. Basically I will turn my knobs up 3.5 MOA (for one Mil) + another 3.5 MOA (for the 2nd Mil) + go up another 1 MOA (for .25 mils). In total I will be going up 8 MOA, but I do not want to calculate.. just do! and guess what? If you do the real calculations, where 1 mil = 3.6 MOA... you will see that my estimation were almost dead on! As 3.6MOA x 2.2 = 7.92 MOA!

December 27, 2012, 18:23	#7
Fn/form Function over Form Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 14765 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 1,243	Which reticle does yours have?

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