Poncho Liner Question

[ByronF]

Guys,

Looked at what I think was USGI quilted poncho liner. No hole for my head? I want one but until I understand how my ample melon is supposed to poke through I'm not buying one. Surely you aren't supposed to cut your own hole. Maybe this was a copy, or a reject?

Thanks,
Byron

[starbuck]

only the poncho has a hole. I think its just meant to be used as a sleeping liner.

[GUNNERUP]

No, there is, nore has there ever been a hole in the ponch liner. The idea is to wrap your self in the ponch liner and then cover your self with the poncho, in order to give you an ability to retain some amount of heat and some protection from the rain. They never worked that well, you generally still got wet and you were never really warm. But, it beat the hell out of nothing and I saw more that one or two fist fights over missing ponch liners. Come to think of it, the liner was one of the greatest thing for trading with the locals in the island nation of the Philippines. You could trade for cold beer, or ice cold Coke or and LBFM (The old jarheads will know what that means) and after 3 or 4 week's in the jungle, that was a little slice of heaven.

[ByronF]

Wow, an LBFM for a poncho with no hole at all! You're coming out two holes ahead!

Figured it'd be a nice thing to have in the vehicle get-home pack. I guess I'll get one and figure out how to make it work. In the Navy we always had warm bunks. If you were low rank someone preheated it for you. I was lucky enough to never hot-rack.

[L Haney]

Poncho liner is snivel gear. None of 'em ever had a hole. Sleep tight.

[JasonB]

http://www.survivaloutdoorskills.com/poncho_liners.htm


Or use velcro to seal the headhole like these have:

http://soldiersystems.net/tag/ecotat/

[308/223shooter]

Called a "Ranger Roll". I spent many a night wrapped in mine while out hunting Kiffers. I still have one in my BOB.

[Thorack]

Yep,

The old cho liner also called the Woobie. No head hole and not very warm but small enough to be stuffed into about anybag. Parachuted into a week long excercise with a few pairs of socks, skivies, cho liner, chow, and 50lbs of radio gear. Froze my ass off when it snowed the next night.

Woke up at 2AM rolled out of my woobie for my radio watch and it had snowed about 2 inches, it looked like a reverse polarity picture. Man I loved the way that sucked.

Thorack

[Bug Tussell]

I cut a head hole in mine. Sleep in it with the rubber (not nylon) poncho and in the oh dark early when we get back to the hump pull it on over my head underneath my LBE until it warmed up then roll it up and stow it.

That was in mid-70's. I still have mine.

[GOVT1911]

As others have said, no hole in a 'cho liner.

Back in 04-ish I traded a suppressed Seerling SMG to a supply weenie in Baghdad for 100 brand new 'cho liners. I passed them out to my guys and also used them for "rewards" to our Iraqi Police when they did something especially well. After the first one I gave to an IP, within a few days I had them coming to me with the location of emplaced IEDs. Pretty sure at least some of those guys were laying the IEDs just to "find" them and get a poncho liner.....

I have seen guys cut and hem the edges of a head-hole in a 'cho liner, but I never saw the point.

The best mod I ever did was have one of the local stich-witches in Fayetteville sew a full length zipper on 3 sides. That wrapped in a poncho made a decent little "patrol bag".

I also have an old green Wet Weather Jacket I had a 'cho liner, um, liner sewn for while I was in Korea. LOVED that and worked well until we got issued gortex jackets a few years later.

[JasonB]

Haven't modified a poncho liner to have a head hole, but after using the one on the Ecotat bag it is a lot less hassle if trying to use it as a makeshift garment since the nylon/polyester shell is so slick. I use M-65 jacket & pant liners for semi-cool temps and/or to give a boost to a sleeping bag.

Here is a poncho liner with a zipper robbed out of a cheapy sleeping bag.


IMGP1576 by backpackerjason, on Flickr



IMGP1577 by backpackerjason, on Flickr

[Dirt1042]

Love the woobies They are the best nap time bankies ever!

I bought my kids them and I still use them for naps.

[Tomc]

byron, If you look, the liner has ties on it. Lay your poncho out flat, lay the liner on top of it and the ties should line up with holes on the poncho. Fold the poncho in half and you will have snaps that should line up. Only snap half of them and fold the foot end under and you have a field exped. sleeping bag. This will work if it's a little cool outside.




You have never lived till you've almost died. For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know. Unknown

[0302]

I never heard a poncho liner called a woobie. That sounds like something ya wake up with in the morning.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Tomc

byron, If you look, the liner has ties on it. Lay your poncho out flat, lay the liner on top of it and the ties should line up with holes on the poncho. Fold the poncho in half and you will have snaps that should line up. Only snap half of them and fold the foot end under and you have a field exped. sleeping bag. This will work if it's a little cool outside.




You have never lived till you've almost died. For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know. Unknown

Be warned, you can wake up in a puddle of your own sweat much like how you can get wet from the inside when using a poncho in it's more common role.

[Dirt1042]

[Mark IV]

It wouldn't be difficult at all to put a hole for your head into a poncho liner. Just mark on it where your head will come through, cut it out, then sew some piping around the opening.

It would probably be a good idea to have a seamstress with a serger do it.

[gunplumber]

I sewed two poncho liners together.

I agree the M65 field jacket liner is more bang for the buck.

eta - great 1950s technology, should re-enactment be your goal. Should you actually wish to stay warm and or/dry, there are modern alternatives that perform better.

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by 308/223shooter

Called a "Ranger Roll". I spent many a night wrapped in mine while out hunting Kiffers. I still have one in my BOB.

I even Googled "Kiffers" and I still don't know what the hell they are..

[Thomas]

Watch, "The Wild Geese"

The term is used in there several times.

Like several terms used to demean other races.

I would not use it in public.

I think he spelled it wrong.

[0302]

The word kaffir, sometimes spelled kaffer or kafir, is an offensive term for a black person, most common in South Africa and other African countries. Generally considered a racial or ethnic slur in modern usage, it was previously a neutral term for black southern African people.

The word is derived from the Arabic term Kafir, which means 'disbeliever' or literally, 'one who conceals [the truth]'.

[yovinny]

Might be 50's tech, but I've got some holofill woobies I wouldent trade for much of anything

As for kaffirs, 99.9% of the people in the states arent going to know what you'r talking about anyway.
So just call them Jack,,,,,,,,,,Just another confused kaffir

[RG Coburn]

Okay,I've heard that term. Googled "kiffer" and got all sorts of wierd things.

[gunplumber]

Kaffir (Keffir) is Afrikaans or Portuguese (cafre) for "nigger" or Arabic for unbeliever.

Historically, it was no more derogatory than "nigger Jim" in Huck Finn. But today it is. It is actually illegal to use the term in South Africa today. The British fought several Kaffir Wars during their imperialism in Africa.

In hebrew, K'fir is "lion".

[idsubgun]

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Kaffir (Keffir) is Afrikaans or Portuguese (cafre) for "nigger" or Arabic for unbeliever.

Historically, it was no more derogatory than "nigger Jim" in Huck Finn. But today it is. It is actually illegal to use the term in South Africa today. The British fought several Kaffir Wars during their imperialism in Africa.

In hebrew, K'fir is "lion".

Apparently you haven't been to South Africa or Namibia recently! The term is WELL used today! To the black's faces!

Case in point, my professional hunter and I decided to drive into town one morning. He always had one of his employees (a black man we'll call Joe) go with him everywhere. We were in a 4-door Toyota pickup. Joe jumped into the bed and opened/closed all the gates we came to. When we hit the main road, my PH started driving down it and I asked because it was cold, and we had 55 kilometers to go, "Aren't we going to let Joe jump into the back seat?" His answer, "Would you want to ride in a vehicle that a Kaffir had ridden in?" I told him it didn't bother me but it had no effect on my PH.

BTW, my PH was of English descent, not Afrikaaner. The term isn't limited to Afrikaaner's.

[gunplumber]

Originally Posted by idsubgun

Apparently you haven't been to South Africa or Namibia recently! The term is WELL used today! To the black's faces!

Case in point, my professional hunter and I decided to drive into town one morning. He always had one of his employees (a black man we'll call Joe) go with him everywhere. We were in a 4-door Toyota pickup. Joe jumped into the bed and opened/closed all the gates we came to. When we hit the main road, my PH started driving down it and I asked because it was cold, and we had 55 kilometers to go, "Aren't we going to let Joe jump into the back seat?" His answer, "Would you want to ride in a vehicle that a Kaffir had ridden in?" I told him it didn't bother me but it had no effect on my PH.

BTW, my PH was of English descent, not Afrikaaner. The term isn't limited to Afrikaaner's.

And my buddy related it to the Xosa only and mentioned the Zulu got quite indignant. "I am not a Kaffir, I am Zulu!"

That being said, when I was proofing my work, I came across

" Use of the word has been actionable in South African courts since at least 1976 under the offense of crimen injuria: "the unlawful, intentional and serious violation of the dignity of another"

So in retrospect, "illegal" wasn't the right word, as "actionable" probably refers to civil tort.

And it has no more place on the Fal Files than any other racial epithet.

Now is that what the poster meant? I dunno - if so, he's pretty stupid as he misspelled it in any language. But I doubt he was hunting kippers.

[longhair51]

It's pricey, but you can get your head through it.

http://wiggys.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=252

[JasonB]

Good insulation and usually good gear, but wonder why they quilted it since there is no reason to do so and it creates cold spots?

[Roadmarker]

Usually the quilting just keeps things from shifting and creating voids. Very helpful if you ever wash the unit.
I'm amazed at the people that don't see the advantages to being able to use your poncho liner with your poncho when used in the poncho mode. I now use velco strips to hold my liner together at the head slit when used as a bed liner. Just make sure the "soft" side is on the inside on the back of your neck. The sticky side faces outward at your thoat and helps hold a scarf in position.
I'm pretty darn sure we were issued some with slits. They were a godsend when on guard in Korea in the winter. Just tie it in and secure it around your waist with your cartridge belt. We still had the rubberized ponchos so we only used this when it was very cold. It cut the wind and kept you warm, especially if your post was a stationary one. We were almost always on mountain tops with our radars and the winds were fierce. Just like Montana cold, but with humidity. We were never issued parkas like the Army or Airforce. Guess we had to keep the cost down.
LBFM's, would have been useful up on a mountain top too.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Usually the quilting just keeps things from shifting and creating voids. Very helpful if you ever wash the unit.

With certain insulations, yes. Lamilite &/or Climashield do not require it and doing so causes cold spots with no upside to doing it. Notice how Wiggy's sleeping bags, jackets, & vests are not quilted.

I can feel the insulation shift around inside my Wiggy's bag(Lamilite) & Kifaru Woobie/quilt/poncho liner(Climashield Combat) only sewn in at edges without any issues.

[Varangian]

I've been a long-time wooby user. Started with the USGI and graduated to the Wiggy's. But, hands-down, the warmest, lightest and most packable woobie has been the offering from Kifaru.

And they even make a "Doobie" for you mumu-wearing jokers.

[one hand clapping]

Pancho linners were the "blanky" of choice for my kids, still are. I keep one in the bottom of all my deploy bags just above the pancho.
The swiss army knife of bedding.
Not to mention they make good sun screen for a FOP.

[shores303]

Attention All Hands!

Cleaning out the closet and what have you. Here's a great deal on a poncho and liner from the Vietnam Era. Thanks for looking.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160947628428...84.m1555.l2649

BTW - I keep one in the vehicle at all times, this is a great thread.

[neonnoodle]

Originally Posted by Dirt1042

Thanks for posting that clip, I got a good laugh out of it.

I've seen that movie many times but it's still a classic .

[Dirt1042]

Originally Posted by neonnoodle

Thanks for posting that clip, I got a good laugh out of it.

I've seen that movie many times but it's still a classic .

I was about that kid's age when it came out. Love that movie.

[james robert]

Originally Posted by Bug Tussell

I cut a head hole in mine. Sleep in it with the rubber (not nylon) poncho and in the oh dark early when we get back to the hump pull it on over my head underneath my LBE until it warmed up then roll it up and stow it.

That was in mid-70's. I still have mine.

You cant beat the old rubber poncho I used one that I bought at a garage sale at the wash rack and it kept me dry as compared to the other guys using the nylon type.

I wish they still made new ones I would buy a couple.

Thank you.

James

[Dirt1042]

Originally Posted by james robert

You cant beat the old rubber poncho I used one that I bought at a garage sale at the wash rack and it kept me dry as compared to the other guys using the nylon type.

I wish they still made new ones I would buy a couple.

Thank you.

James

We had "gumby suits" that were similar to the old rubber poncho.

I had one of those old ponchos as a kid.

[james robert]

~PAIN BY STEEL RAIN~ R 5/10 2nd MAR DIV

That had to be desert storm. We did a little raining too A/2/142/FA Desert storm or as the British called it Operation Granby.

Thank you.

James

[308/223shooter]

Originally Posted by gunplumber

And my buddy related it to the Xosa only and mentioned the Zulu got quite indignant. "I am not a Kaffir, I am Zulu!"

That being said, when I was proofing my work, I came across

" Use of the word has been actionable in South African courts since at least 1976 under the offense of crimen injuria: "the unlawful, intentional and serious violation of the dignity of another"

So in retrospect, "illegal" wasn't the right word, as "actionable" probably refers to civil tort.

And it has no more place on the Fal Files than any other racial epithet.

Now is that what the poster meant? I dunno - if so, he's pretty stupid as he misspelled it in any language. But I doubt he was hunting kippers.

Spelled as pronounced by those who I learned it from. That was then, this is now, and while the memories still haunt me from time to time, I only tend to slip if I've been at the scotch. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[james robert]

Kaffir, I haven't herd that term since I read Familiarity is the kingdom of the lost a long time ago. By the way a very good read on the Boer wars.

Thank you.

James

[ER]

Originally Posted by Dirt1042

We had "gumby suits" that were similar to the old rubber poncho.

I had one of those old ponchos as a kid.

And both the old poncho and gumby suits smelled like someone took a runny dump in them after a night of pickled eggs and Pabst Blue Ribbon....even when cleaned, they smelled like $hit....

[Dirt1042]

Originally Posted by ER

And both the old poncho and gumby suits smelled like someone took a runny dump in them after a night of pickled eggs and Pabst Blue Ribbon....even when cleaned, they smelled like $hit....

I thought they smelled more like cat piss.