Took the plunge. HK33k clone

**Tibodoe** · December 17, 2012, 22:00

This is my first venture into HKs. I guy on a local gun board wanted to
trade his C93 converted to HK33k clone. I was a little aprehensive, but
after further examination, I believe it to be a decent gun. It was
built by "ghilliebear2000" on HKPRO.com. The bolt gap was .024.
Here are some pics.

Lon Moer · December 17, 2012, 22:11

A ghilliebear build with a Rim Country barrel is a lot nicer than a C-93.

Tuscan Raider · December 17, 2012, 22:51

Pretty sure .024 is over spec on bolt gap. .020 is max.

I could be wrong on .223, but .308's were .020.

**Tibodoe** · December 17, 2012, 23:18

I did see that. I talked to Jeff "ghilliebear" the builder, and he said
there should be no worry up to .025. I do not know as I am
taking his word.

**hkshooter** · December 17, 2012, 23:28

Lovely gun,.you'll be very happy with it! GB rocks, he knows his stuff and is a great guy to boot.
And thats a 33k clone. It has the short barrel with a 53 flash hider.

**Tibodoe** · December 17, 2012, 23:49

33k, thanks I am still learning the HK verbage.

21HK · December 18, 2012, 09:43

As the others mentioned, Ghilli built is good to go.

**Texgunner** · December 18, 2012, 12:53

I shot one of Jeff's MP-5 clones Saturday. It looked and shot great. A friend will be going the SBR route soon (he hopes to anyway...).
Gary

Holescreek · December 18, 2012, 20:12

So what exactly does one do to "convert" a C93 into an "HK33" given that all the parts are the same? Is that a fancy way of saying someone has gone over the gun? Have the Century markings been removed from the receiver or did he replace the receiver too?

**Tibodoe** · December 18, 2012, 20:32

I should have said HK33k, which is the 12.6 inch barrelled version.
The conversion consisted of: A new barrel, add paddle mag release,
new front sight base. Some welding here, grinding there, I really don't
know all that was done.
I do know that is shoots really nice. There is however, a slight "boing" sound
when I fire it. Is that normal?

yellowhand · December 18, 2012, 22:10

Love mine, great guns.
Mags are getting hard to come by, APEX still had some, expensive, but were very good condition.

21HK · December 19, 2012, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tibodoe

33k, thanks I am still learning the HK verbage.

It will come natural after you buy a couple more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tibodoe

I should have said HK33k, which is the 12.6 inch barrelled version.
The conversion consisted of: A new barrel, add paddle mag release,
new front sight base. Some welding here, grinding there, I really don't
know all that was done.
I do know that is shoots really nice. There is however, a slight "boing" sound
when I fire it. Is that normal?

I would probably just refer to it as a C93 converted to a 33K, drop the HK since it is not technically a German gun. On the other hand I would think that if it were a NFA 33K build under contract from HK, such as FMP (Portugal), EBO (Greece), or the like, I would think you could refer to such gun as an HK33K, but I would include the word "contract" it generally would leave room for the next question, who made it?..still not German though.

Another example would be an HK93 converted to a 33K, which by all means could be referred to as an "HK"33K built from a HK93.

The purist would consider using a model HK93, combined with an original German HK33K parts kit built with the 93 receiver, re-stamped with the correct markings, thus having an all "HK" gun. (at today's prices, this would be a very expensive venture) ...also HK has issues with remarking something as HK when it is not...something about Trademark infringement.

If building as Title I firearm, the same applies, you would need to permanently pin the flash hider to achieve the legal barrel length.

If built as an SBR (Short Barreled Rifle, NFA rules apply) the barrel could remain the original length.

Confused yet?...sorry!...it's the only way to learn the lingo.

Just like on the FAL stuff, which I am not very savvy, I have to do a lot of Goggleing to understand what these guys are talking about.

Like the first time I heard the term "Baby Poop"

I thought what the he!!

...I almost forgot, the "boing" sound? German for "BANG"...yes I'm kidding.
Do you have a buffered bolt carrier, pics would be good. The butt stock on that gun is an A2 style which does not have a buffer in the stock.

You should have a buffered bolt carrier, I think all of the Century C93's have them. They were built form Malaysian contract HK33's.

If you do not have a buffered bolt, I would not continue to fire this gun, without some type of buffer either in the stock or the bolt carrier you take a chance of creating damage to the receiver, and or yourself.

As said above, if Ghilli built this I would say everything is good and you have the right parts, but since you did not purchase this direct from the builder I would double check and make sure someone didn't swap anything. Just trying to be safe!

**Tibodoe** · December 19, 2012, 18:39

Like the first time I heard the term "Baby Poop" I thought what the he!!

Now I feel much better.

Clonehead · December 21, 2012, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tibodoe

There is however, a slight "boing" sound
when I fire it. Is that normal?

That is the tuning fork effect of the four prong flash suppressor, which is probably amplified by the extra long prongs on yours. Even the standard length prongs "boing", as well as Vortex hiders. Perfectly normal.

**Tibodoe** · December 21, 2012, 15:44

Thanks, I have never heard of that, but it makes
sense.

**LaConservationist** · December 27, 2012, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tibodoe

Thanks, I have never heard of that, but it makes
sense.

GOD....PLEASE look over my friend.......TIBODOE.....keep trading and messing around......NO MORE TRADING FAL's without FIRST offering to me!!........I thought YOU were in LOVE with that TUPPERWARE SACR thingy......Well I sure am glad you LOVE your WIFE more than this silly GUNS.....WAIT maybe I should say I am GLAD your WIFE loves YOU more than YOU love the GUNS!!!!

Keep it up brother! BUT just so ya know.....FAL is where your heart truly is AT!!

Well WITH FIREARMS at least!!! LOL

LaC

**Tibodoe** · December 27, 2012, 22:16

You know I have a Great wife!!!
The scar thingy has been sold and I just traded for another
Argy kit. I am back in the saddle

December 17, 2012, 22:00	#1
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	Took the plunge. HK33k clone This is my first venture into HKs. I guy on a local gun board wanted to trade his C93 converted to HK33k clone. I was a little aprehensive, but after further examination, I believe it to be a decent gun. It was built by "ghilliebear2000" on HKPRO.com. The bolt gap was .024. Here are some pics. Last edited by Tibodoe; December 18, 2012 at 20:25.

December 17, 2012, 22:11	#2
Lon Moer Registered FALaholic #: 12098 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,522	A ghilliebear build with a Rim Country barrel is a lot nicer than a C-93. __________________ I've known daredevils and I ain't got nothing against them.....its just they're all dead.

December 17, 2012, 22:51	#3
Tuscan Raider Registered FALaholic #: 19668 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 2,960	Pretty sure .024 is over spec on bolt gap. .020 is max. I could be wrong on .223, but .308's were .020. __________________ "An eye for an eye makes us all blind." Ghandi "We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men." Theodore Roosevelt Address at Carnegie Hall March 30, 1912

December 18, 2012, 09:43	#7
21HK Registered FALaholic #: 52556 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: OHIO Posts: 51	Nice! As the others mentioned, Ghilli built is good to go.

December 18, 2012, 12:53	#8
Texgunner long-time Texas taxpayer Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 4653 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: central Texas-Milam county Posts: 2,532	I shot one of Jeff's MP-5 clones Saturday. It looked and shot great. A friend will be going the SBR route soon (he hopes to anyway...). Gary __________________ "I'm Snake River Rufus Crile, a long way from home. I'm blood kin to a Gila monster, can drink my weight in wolf poison. Massacre, bloodshed, famine and drought all put meat on my bones. Hardship and slaughter, my daily bread. I can whip a full grown longhorn cow with my hands tied, make violent love to mountain lions. My trigger fingers are itchy; I'm set to go, red hot" from "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean"

December 17, 2012, 23:18	#4
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	I did see that. I talked to Jeff "ghilliebear" the builder, and he said there should be no worry up to .025. I do not know as I am taking his word.

December 17, 2012, 23:28	#5
hkshooter Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 5391 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,790	Lovely gun,.you'll be very happy with it! GB rocks, he knows his stuff and is a great guy to boot. And thats a 33k clone. It has the short barrel with a 53 flash hider.

December 17, 2012, 23:49	#6
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	33k, thanks I am still learning the HK verbage.

December 18, 2012, 20:12	#9
Holescreek Registered FALaholic #: 51475 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 174	So what exactly does one do to "convert" a C93 into an "HK33" given that all the parts are the same? Is that a fancy way of saying someone has gone over the gun? Have the Century markings been removed from the receiver or did he replace the receiver too?

December 18, 2012, 20:32	#10
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	I should have said HK33k, which is the 12.6 inch barrelled version. The conversion consisted of: A new barrel, add paddle mag release, new front sight base. Some welding here, grinding there, I really don't know all that was done. I do know that is shoots really nice. There is however, a slight "boing" sound when I fire it. Is that normal?

December 18, 2012, 22:10	#11
yellowhand Registered FALaholic #: 67949 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sierra Vista AZ Posts: 98	Love mine, great guns. Mags are getting hard to come by, APEX still had some, expensive, but were very good condition.

December 19, 2012, 18:39	#13
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	Like the first time I heard the term "Baby Poop" I thought what the he!! Now I feel much better.

December 21, 2012, 15:44	#15
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	Thanks, I have never heard of that, but it makes sense.

December 27, 2012, 22:16	#17
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	You know I have a Great wife!!! The scar thingy has been sold and I just traded for another Argy kit. I am back in the saddle

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