New DSA Rhodie Upper

MistWolf · December 17, 2012, 20:36

I've been watching this auction on GB.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=320848857
DSA has made some uppers with the South African lightening cuts. I wanted this one so bad I could taste it, but money is tight and bidding went higher than I could afford. It is s/n 007 with the Rhodesian crest engraved on the magwell. I really wanted this receiver for an all matching Rhodie kit

I hope this isn't just one of a very limited run by DSA

I HATE being broke!!!

**harleyrider** · December 17, 2012, 21:28

10-4 on the being broke gig! Hate it too!

Cool receiver; I would like it even better without the crest. The 1.5 cuts look pretty good.

HR

ljspoon · December 17, 2012, 21:40

I wanted that one too just wasn't sold on the crest if it was South African it would be better. I would be torn on drilling a big hole in the mag well if I won it

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 21:52

I listed the receiver to see interest, I have a South African crest with revised markings including the UM on the way, I wanted to do the Rhodie crest As I got it from the memories of Rhodesia website ( with their blessing ) And have many friends who served in that war. We may do a limited run of both with correct era serial numbers.

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 22:00

Forgot to mention we have only 5 left in that serial range, next limited batch will be different with serial numbers and markings. That was the only engraved one so far.

**Thorack** · December 17, 2012, 22:06

Hmm,

I thought DSA only made a Rhody receivers for Larry Vickers, apparently not. Wonder why they weren't posted here on the Files, would have been some guaranteed sales.

Thorack

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 22:18

The receiver was my idea, how Larry vickers comes into it I do not know, I did not post it on the Fal files due to the hostility I have received and I was not trying to make sales, this was my project and will take it a little further if interest is there but it did it for many friends I served with to recognize a little known nation that won the war but lost the political battle, I like to engrave history into cold hard steel.

ljspoon · December 17, 2012, 22:23

I would buy one engraved or otherwise. That history needs to be remembered!

Ghost · December 17, 2012, 22:33

That is a neat piece.
I like the period correct SN idea. Why hasn't DSA jumped into the custom serial numbers game yet though?

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 22:34

Our intention was to use some of our Rhodie parts kits to release a few rifles to the market to remember the struggles and wars of Southern Africa but at this point the receiver is the best we can do.

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 22:35

Custom sn disrupt production but we can do limited runs.

ljspoon · December 17, 2012, 22:41

Are you going to list another one on GB?

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 22:43

May be a week but will be with South african crest.

**Thorack** · December 17, 2012, 23:05

R1 shooter,

When Larry Vickers posted here a while back he discussed how DSA was making him a 1.5 type rec. for his Rhody build. Reportedly others inquired and said it was no go. Its interesting to see these. More of this kind of offering will be greatly sought after. Good on yah. Great product.

Thorack

R1shooter · December 17, 2012, 23:13

That may have been a deal with a former rep but I can tell you the concept came from me, anyone who says otherwise can talk to me to my face , I have never discussed this with Larry Vickers but I think I may be more qualified than him in this regard.

**LaConservationist** · December 18, 2012, 04:01

Can one be ordered WITHOUT the SUBSTANDARD Ejector block?
Also, I ONLY have 10-12 surplus barrels.....from Imbel, Argy, South African, StG, G1's, do you think ANYONE of them will hand time properly WITHOUT having to shave the barrel shoulders?

THANKS!

LaC

**Slo cat** · December 18, 2012, 05:55

? ? ?

must1990 · December 18, 2012, 06:43

How was the crest applied, pressed?, engraved?. also the paint looks very crisp how was that applied. Looks good

Thank You

Dan

R1shooter · December 18, 2012, 07:21

They will time perfectly and if you arrange with me I can not have the ejector block installed, it is engraved after parkerizing. We can not do custom serial numbers but the next batch may have ZA or RA prefix, we may not run more than 50, I will gauge demand.

**munchoman** · December 18, 2012, 07:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1shooter

They will time perfectly

Thats good to hear,I would assume then, the locking shoulders will also, be in the standard size range?

R1shooter · December 18, 2012, 07:44

About .259- .262

**munchoman** · December 18, 2012, 07:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1shooter

About .259- .262

Great! in that case,you should be able to sell a couple hundred,I would think

chrsdwns · December 18, 2012, 08:07

Nice job R1shooter.

Better than nice, in fact - more like awesome.

I am definitely interested.

Hope they become available in the near future. If they do I would like to get two maybe three. Please keep us informed.

DSA seems to be doing a lot more of these special projects and I hope they keep it up.

R1shooter · December 18, 2012, 08:20

I just hope we are not too late

ljspoon · December 18, 2012, 08:30

I think interest in R1's and Rhodesian rifles will continue far into the future. There are still a lot of kits out there.

KVSmith · December 18, 2012, 16:04

Well to start off, I'm the guy that won the auction, so now you know who to direct your hostility towards.

I made a good cotton crop this year in spite of the drought, and I just couldn't resist a Merry Christmas to me. I've been sitting on the tractor watching this all week and I just had to have it.

I thought I was through building R1's after I got my Coonan R1 receivers, but I keep finding kits. I now have three more to build, maybe more if I cobble together some spare parts lying around. This is an addiction! At least I now have another properly machined receiver for my projects.

R1shooter,
Thank you for your efforts on this project. It appears you have done a great job.
I agree with the others that there is plenty of interest in more receivers. I know I would purchase several more. I know people would love to have custom serials to match their parts and the proper markings.
On a side note, will DSA have anything new to show off at SHOT Show?

nitro450exp · December 18, 2012, 17:17

I would buy one with the ZA serial and UM marking, with or without the crest.

Baie Dankie. (Afrikaans: Thanks Alot)

Nitro

R1shooter · December 18, 2012, 18:04

Thanks for the support guys, started a run of 100 receivers today and am supervising this myself, the crest is an add on option, they will be UM marked. Email me at dan@dsarms if you are wanting one and I can keep you posted and monitor demand.

**gska3873** · December 19, 2012, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1shooter

Forgot to mention we have only 5 left in that serial range, next limited batch will be different with serial numbers and markings. That was the only engraved one so far.

I think DSA has engraved at least one other one identically as I know the owner of the receiver.

R1shooter · December 19, 2012, 21:38

I guarantee you it is not identical, we used the graphics from memories of Rhodesia but you are correct that it is not the very first.

**gska3873** · December 20, 2012, 13:30

You are correct the engraved crest is a little different.

Recon6812 · December 20, 2012, 17:16

Tell ya what, if DSA ever makes one with a Brit crest for my L1A1, i would be all over it, might be kinda hard on a brit type receiver though. maybe a union jack in the cut away area??

nyalaman · December 20, 2012, 17:40

the engraved Crest is sweet.

nitro450exp · December 27, 2012, 22:07

Any updates on the run of 100 ?
Thanks
Nitro

R1shooter · December 27, 2012, 22:49

Will be done next week then off to heat treat,I have a list of emails I will send out when are ready, I am hoping to get them asap.

chrsdwns · December 27, 2012, 22:53

Brad · December 28, 2012, 19:48

R1Shooter,

I am down for one if you have any available...

S/F

B

R1shooter · December 28, 2012, 20:20

Will be ready in a few weeks, email me to put your name on list, I have good list going but no panic we will have enough.

R1shooter · December 28, 2012, 22:55

Update, the Rhodie receivers will have a 1000 series RA serial number be marked R1 and have the same layout as the original and have the union marks as my one has. The manufacturers marks on right side are small font. I just got 2 R1 barrels from apex that rock so this is a great chance to get a great build.They will time to the R1 barrels and are as correct as they can be , I just have to perfect the South African crest, the Rhody already rocks.

Dirt1042 · December 28, 2012, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaConservationist

Can one be ordered WITHOUT the SUBSTANDARD Ejector block?
Also, I ONLY have 10-12 surplus barrels.....from Imbel, Argy, South African, StG, G1's, do you think ANYONE of them will hand time properly WITHOUT having to shave the barrel shoulders?

THANKS!

LaC

Buy 12 and find out

**Hoot G** · December 29, 2012, 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1shooter

Update, the Rhodie receivers will have a 1000 series RA serial number be marked R1 and have the same layout as the original and have the union marks as my one has. The manufacturers marks on right side are small font. I just got 2 R1 barrels from apex that rock so this is a great chance to get a great build.They will time to the R1 barrels and are as correct as they can be , I just have to perfect the South African crest, the Rhody already rocks.

What union marks? Could you post a photo so we can see what you're talking about?

Would it be possible to get the SADF crest on a regular Type 1 receiver?

These might make for a nice "cool factor" but to you guys that are trying to be as original as possible, they're not even close.

R1shooter · December 29, 2012, 07:53

Hoot you would be surprised how close they are, of course they are not exact but I know this project well.

**Hoot G** · December 29, 2012, 11:05

I'm not trashing your receiver, I'm speaking historically. The cuts may be correct. They look pretty good to me, but I'm not all that critical about (non-functional) 1/16" of an inch here or there, but more about the markings. I'm glad to see that somebody at DSA is trying to help us with something that's not in the inventory, but I'd hope that the product would be historically honest rather than a marketing ploy.

The R1 never had a crest, South African or Rhodesian. The crest was only used on the original FN contracts they supplied to the RSA, and they were Type 1 receivers. The RSA made R1 (Type 1.5) receivers didn't originally have an RA or ZA serial number either. Neither did the FAL's that RSA made for export (technically not R1's, but RSA made FAL's none the less).

Still wondering;
What union marks? Could you post a photo so we can see what you're talking about?
Would it be possible to get the SADF crest on a regular Type 1 receiver?

Photos borrowed from this thread; South African and Rhodesian FALs

FN made FAL supplied to the RSA;

RSA production R1;

RSA production export FAL;

R1shooter · December 29, 2012, 12:22

The m in u are the union markings and the shooting team R 1 rifles indeed did have the crest, all r1 rifles that have rough machining in the crest area were sanitized, I have seen ZA serial prefix rifles for the Zulu police and yes the RA prefix was put on in Rhodesia, I still own a rifle like this in original form at my home in South Africa, historically accurate with RA prefix no but nostalgic for me. I have seen the roll stamp used for the crest in Pretoria so I know they were done in house, maybe not all of them.

Larry Vickers · December 31, 2012, 10:54

A buddy turned me onto this thread - I got 2 R1 type DSA receivers awhile back thru Mark at DSA - it's been awhile so I'm not sure if Mark is still there

One of mine has a custom serial number to match a Rhodiesian kit I have and the other one is serial number 00005

With all that being said I am glad to see interest in the South African FAL's bringing a correct FAL receiver to the market

Be safe and everyone have a good 2013 !

Larry Vickers

**LaConservationist** · December 31, 2012, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Vickers

A buddy turned me onto this thread - I got 2 R1 type DSA receivers awhile back thru Mark at DSA - it's been awhile so I'm not sure if Mark is still there

One of mine has a custom serial number to match a Rhodiesian kit I have and the other one is serial number 00005

With all that being said I am glad to see interest in the South African FAL's bringing a correct FAL receiver to the market

Be safe and everyone have a good 2013 !

Larry Vickers

Looks LIKE COONAN, took care of that MONTHS ago..... proper cuts, personlized custome serial numbers AND the correct .MM and the UM markings.....MOST importantly.....proper barrel timing, proper LS's and correct Ejector Blocks!!!

BUT we do enjoy watching DSA bringing up the rear of the pack these days!!

LaC

Happy New Year and a VERY prosperous 2013 to you as well!!!

101ABN327 · December 31, 2012, 14:08

Nothing wrong with more receivers on the market.... I just wonder why so much time was wasted on all of those plain vanilla type 3's a while back...

**def90** · December 31, 2012, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

Nothing wrong with more receivers on the market.... I just wonder why so much time was wasted on all of those plain vanilla type 3's a while back...

+1

Competition is good for the market. Those that want to compete and win market share will put out the best product. It's a win for the consumer.

**def90** · December 31, 2012, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Vickers

A buddy turned me onto this thread - I got 2 R1 type DSA receivers awhile back thru Mark at DSA - it's been awhile so I'm not sure if Mark is still there

One of mine has a custom serial number to match a Rhodiesian kit I have and the other one is serial number 00005

With all that being said I am glad to see interest in the South African FAL's bringing a correct FAL receiver to the market

Be safe and everyone have a good 2013 !

Larry Vickers

Good to see you back.. Regardless of what some may say, there is nothing wrong with differing viewpoints. We have all received battle scars posting here at one time or another, being able to shrug it off and head back into the hole is all that matters.

**LaConservationist** · December 31, 2012, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by def90

+1

Competition is good for the market. Those that want to compete and win market share will put out the best product. It's a win for the consumer.

110% agreement!!! This KEEPS builders/manufactures honest and normally keeps QA/QC as well as customer service being TOPS!!

Also secures our hobby and addicts SUPPLIED and HAPPY!!!!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

LaC

December 17, 2012, 20:36	#1
MistWolf Registered FALaholic #: 7435 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 2,178	New DSA Rhodie Upper I've been watching this auction on GB. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=320848857 DSA has made some uppers with the South African lightening cuts. I wanted this one so bad I could taste it, but money is tight and bidding went higher than I could afford. It is s/n 007 with the Rhodesian crest engraved on the magwell. I really wanted this receiver for an all matching Rhodie kit I hope this isn't just one of a very limited run by DSA I HATE being broke!!! __________________ "Mom! Phineas and Pherb are in the backyard building FALs!"

December 17, 2012, 21:28	#2
harleyrider Out of quarters.... Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 55746 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,779	10-4 on the being broke gig! Hate it too! Cool receiver; I would like it even better without the crest. The 1.5 cuts look pretty good. HR __________________ What the HELL is he building in there?

December 17, 2012, 22:06	#6
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,868	Hmm, I thought DSA only made a Rhody receivers for Larry Vickers, apparently not. Wonder why they weren't posted here on the Files, would have been some guaranteed sales. Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion.

December 17, 2012, 23:05	#14
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,868	R1 shooter, When Larry Vickers posted here a while back he discussed how DSA was making him a 1.5 type rec. for his Rhody build. Reportedly others inquired and said it was no go. Its interesting to see these. More of this kind of offering will be greatly sought after. Good on yah. Great product. Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion.

December 18, 2012, 04:01	#16
LaConservationist IN DENIAL NOT ADDICTED!! Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 42319 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Louisiana Bayous! Posts: 6,525	Can one be ordered WITHOUT the SUBSTANDARD Ejector block? Also, I ONLY have 10-12 surplus barrels.....from Imbel, Argy, South African, StG, G1's, do you think ANYONE of them will hand time properly WITHOUT having to shave the barrel shoulders? THANKS! LaC __________________ In MEMORY of Roger "DUNKRD" Dunkelbarger September 13, 1943 - May 09, 2010 "Any one who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford Last edited by LaConservationist; December 18, 2012 at 04:11.

December 17, 2012, 21:40	#3
ljspoon Registered FALaholic #: 16947 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	I wanted that one too just wasn't sold on the crest if it was South African it would be better. I would be torn on drilling a big hole in the mag well if I won it

December 17, 2012, 21:52	#4
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	I listed the receiver to see interest, I have a South African crest with revised markings including the UM on the way, I wanted to do the Rhodie crest As I got it from the memories of Rhodesia website ( with their blessing ) And have many friends who served in that war. We may do a limited run of both with correct era serial numbers.

December 17, 2012, 22:00	#5
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Forgot to mention we have only 5 left in that serial range, next limited batch will be different with serial numbers and markings. That was the only engraved one so far.

December 17, 2012, 22:18	#7
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	The receiver was my idea, how Larry vickers comes into it I do not know, I did not post it on the Fal files due to the hostility I have received and I was not trying to make sales, this was my project and will take it a little further if interest is there but it did it for many friends I served with to recognize a little known nation that won the war but lost the political battle, I like to engrave history into cold hard steel.

December 17, 2012, 22:23	#8
ljspoon Registered FALaholic #: 16947 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	I would buy one engraved or otherwise. That history needs to be remembered!

December 17, 2012, 22:33	#9
Ghost Registered FALaholic #: 1273 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Grand Junction, Colorado Posts: 891	That is a neat piece. I like the period correct SN idea. Why hasn't DSA jumped into the custom serial numbers game yet though?

December 17, 2012, 22:34	#10
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Our intention was to use some of our Rhodie parts kits to release a few rifles to the market to remember the struggles and wars of Southern Africa but at this point the receiver is the best we can do.

December 17, 2012, 22:35	#11
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Custom sn disrupt production but we can do limited runs.

December 17, 2012, 22:41	#12
ljspoon Registered FALaholic #: 16947 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	Are you going to list another one on GB?

December 17, 2012, 22:43	#13
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	May be a week but will be with South african crest.

December 17, 2012, 23:13	#15
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	That may have been a deal with a former rep but I can tell you the concept came from me, anyone who says otherwise can talk to me to my face , I have never discussed this with Larry Vickers but I think I may be more qualified than him in this regard.

December 18, 2012, 05:55	#17
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,387	? ? ?

December 18, 2012, 06:43	#18
must1990 Registered FALaholic #: 67293 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Fl Posts: 81	How was the crest applied, pressed?, engraved?. also the paint looks very crisp how was that applied. Looks good Thank You Dan

December 18, 2012, 07:21	#19
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	They will time perfectly and if you arrange with me I can not have the ejector block installed, it is engraved after parkerizing. We can not do custom serial numbers but the next batch may have ZA or RA prefix, we may not run more than 50, I will gauge demand.

December 18, 2012, 07:44	#21
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	About .259- .262

December 18, 2012, 08:07	#23
chrsdwns Registered FALaholic #: 9846 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,587	Nice job R1shooter. Better than nice, in fact - more like awesome. I am definitely interested. Hope they become available in the near future. If they do I would like to get two maybe three. Please keep us informed. DSA seems to be doing a lot more of these special projects and I hope they keep it up. __________________ "Those who do not move do not notice their chains. " -Rosa Luxumberg "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." ~~Ludwig Von Mises ...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.

December 18, 2012, 08:20	#24
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	I just hope we are not too late

December 18, 2012, 08:30	#25
ljspoon Registered FALaholic #: 16947 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	I think interest in R1's and Rhodesian rifles will continue far into the future. There are still a lot of kits out there.

December 18, 2012, 16:04	#26
KVSmith Registered FALaholic #: 65989 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Big Spring, Texas Posts: 127	DSA Rhodie Upper Well to start off, I'm the guy that won the auction, so now you know who to direct your hostility towards. I made a good cotton crop this year in spite of the drought, and I just couldn't resist a Merry Christmas to me. I've been sitting on the tractor watching this all week and I just had to have it. I thought I was through building R1's after I got my Coonan R1 receivers, but I keep finding kits. I now have three more to build, maybe more if I cobble together some spare parts lying around. This is an addiction! At least I now have another properly machined receiver for my projects. R1shooter, Thank you for your efforts on this project. It appears you have done a great job. I agree with the others that there is plenty of interest in more receivers. I know I would purchase several more. I know people would love to have custom serials to match their parts and the proper markings. On a side note, will DSA have anything new to show off at SHOT Show?

December 18, 2012, 17:17	#27
nitro450exp Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 42655 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N.E. Posts: 417	I would buy one with the ZA serial and UM marking, with or without the crest. Baie Dankie. (Afrikaans: Thanks Alot) Nitro

December 18, 2012, 18:04	#28
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Thanks for the support guys, started a run of 100 receivers today and am supervising this myself, the crest is an add on option, they will be UM marked. Email me at dan@dsarms if you are wanting one and I can keep you posted and monitor demand.

December 19, 2012, 21:38	#30
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	I guarantee you it is not identical, we used the graphics from memories of Rhodesia but you are correct that it is not the very first.

December 20, 2012, 13:30	#31
gska3873 Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 30923 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 376	You are correct the engraved crest is a little different.

December 20, 2012, 17:16	#32
Recon6812 Old Cavalry Scout Contributor FALaholic #: 52083 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: City of Lost Angels-Kalifornia Posts: 568	Tell ya what, if DSA ever makes one with a Brit crest for my L1A1, i would be all over it, might be kinda hard on a brit type receiver though. maybe a union jack in the cut away area??

December 20, 2012, 17:40	#33
nyalaman Registered FALaholic #: 67335 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Connecticut/ united states Posts: 41	the engraved Crest is sweet.

December 27, 2012, 22:07	#34
nitro450exp Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 42655 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N.E. Posts: 417	Any updates on the run of 100 ? Thanks Nitro

December 27, 2012, 22:49	#35
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Will be done next week then off to heat treat,I have a list of emails I will send out when are ready, I am hoping to get them asap.

December 27, 2012, 22:53	#36
chrsdwns Registered FALaholic #: 9846 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,587	__________________ "Those who do not move do not notice their chains. " -Rosa Luxumberg "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." ~~Ludwig Von Mises ...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.

December 28, 2012, 19:48	#37
Brad Registered FALaholic #: 58 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bear Flag Republic Posts: 157	R1Shooter, I am down for one if you have any available... S/F B __________________ KMA 367

December 28, 2012, 20:20	#38
R1shooter Registered FALaholic #: 67769 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago illinois Posts: 633	Will be ready in a few weeks, email me to put your name on list, I have good list going but no panic we will have enough.