Argy MKIV barrels, originally Bipod cut or no?

**Thorack** · June 05, 2012, 09:43

Ok,

I bought one the NOS Argy MK IV kits from Sarco and am curious, were they originally bipod cut or not? I know the uppers were seperated earlier and am curious about original configurations.

Thorack

**johnny.308** · June 05, 2012, 11:11

The barrel that came with my type IV is bipod cut. I have two others that came with the standard kits, one with open ears the other closed and both are bipod cut.

**Lee Carpentieri** · June 05, 2012, 11:25

The first Argentine Fals weren't bipod cut and plain muzzled, Then the later NON bipod cut barrels had the 22mm combo device, Then the Modelo Mark IV's/Fal II were bipod cut along with the Argentine made 50-61 Para's.

**Thorack** · June 05, 2012, 20:46

Lee,

Thanks.

Thorack

BC · June 05, 2012, 21:47

I saw a pre-ban all original Argentine 50.61 (long barrel para) sometime ago. It had a NON bipod cut barrel, combo device on the muzzle. I don't remember if the combo devcie was the plain style or like the Belgian/Imbel military style.

I remember clearly the barrel was not bipod cut, because I was wishing that it were bipod cut.

And, it had closed ear gas block. 150/250 meter rear sight.

**aezcur** · June 05, 2012, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorack

Ok,

I bought one the NOS Argy MK IV kits from Sarco and am curious, were they originally bipod cut or not? I know the uppers were seperated earlier and am curious about original configurations.

Thorack

Thorack,
I have a FAL MKIV Serial 00004 original all matching and the barrel is non-bipod cut. Just recently I was able to get all the matching parts for another FAL MKIV Serial 01066 and the barrel is non-bipod cut.

mx2010 · June 09, 2012, 13:33

Aezcur
Are the non bipod barrels chrome lined or do they just have chrome chambers?

**aezcur** · June 09, 2012, 14:32

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Originally Posted by mx2010

Aezcur
Are the non bipod barrels chrome lined or do they just have chrome chambers?

I looked at a couple I have and it looks like only the chambers are chrome lined....the muzzle color is definitely different from the chamber...but I'm no expert

weasel _master · November 14, 2012, 20:43

Is there a source for Argie bipods? As well, I'm new to the FAL and have an argy kit. How do I tell if it's bipod cut? I'd like to pick one up for my build if it is.

**J. Armstrong** · November 14, 2012, 21:03

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Originally Posted by weasel _master

Is there a source for Argie bipods? As well, I'm new to the FAL and have an argy kit. How do I tell if it's bipod cut? I'd like to pick one up for my build if it is.

AFAIK, the Argentine bipods are identical to the late FN 'pods. I'm under the impression that FN actually supplied all or at least most of the 'pods to Argentina, but there are others here who would know better than I if that is factual.

A non bipod cut barrel has one groove or "track" just forward of the gas block for the sling swivel band, whereas a bipod cut will have two - one for the swivel and one for the bipod.

I believe the bipods, while carried in inventory, were probably rarely issued for use or actually installed. Again, I'd be interested in confirming this.

As far as barrels go, there are plain muzzle open ear nonBC, threaded muzzle open ear BC and non BC, and threaded muzzle closed ear BC and nonBC, all 21' and AFAIK, all could be found non chrome, chrome chamber, and fully chromed. There were also 18" ( well, 17 5/8" ) barrels, all of those I've seen were threaded muzzle, closed ear, BC and fully chromed.

4 brigada · November 14, 2012, 21:52

I was told by the NCO's that our FAL's didnt have the bipods because of the possibility of becoming entangled in the rigging. But other non air transported units that had bipod cut barrels didnt have them either. That was 1976. Maybe later they did, but most pics of the troops in Malvinas didnt have any bipods. And some bipod cut (both open and closed ear) barreled rifles had non bipod cut hanguards. Pick your poison

Ghost · November 15, 2012, 01:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

AFAIK, the Argentine bipods are identical to the late FN 'pods. I'm under the impression that FN actually supplied all or at least most of the 'pods to Argentina, but there are others here who would know better than I if that is factual.

A non bipod cut barrel has one groove or "track" just forward of the gas block for the sling swivel band, whereas a bipod cut will have two - one for the swivel and one for the bipod.

I believe the bipods, while carried in inventory, were probably rarely issued for use or actually installed. Again, I'd be interested in confirming this.

As far as barrels go, there are plain muzzle open ear nonBC, threaded muzzle open ear BC and non BC, and threaded muzzle closed ear BC and nonBC, all 21' and AFAIK, all could be found non chrome, chrome chamber, and fully chromed. There were also 18" ( well, 17 5/8" ) barrels, all of those I've seen were threaded muzzle, closed ear, BC and fully chromed.

Do you know if the feet were stamped or cast?

**STG_58_guy** · November 15, 2012, 01:59

And I love my argy. Took her deer hunting last week. She is perfect.

**J. Armstrong** · November 15, 2012, 07:44

Fmaps areextremely nice rifles that for the longest time were under appreciated and undervalued, IMHO.

Thanks for the first hand info, 4brigada -

weasel _master · November 15, 2012, 22:06

Is this bipod cut? I'm thinking no.

JoeLad · November 16, 2012, 07:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by weasel _master

Is this bipod cut? I'm thinking no.

You are thinking correct. Not bipod cut.

weasel _master · November 16, 2012, 21:14

Thanks for the help.

June 05, 2012, 09:43	#1
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,632	Argy MKIV barrels, originally Bipod cut or no? Ok, I bought one the NOS Argy MK IV kits from Sarco and am curious, were they originally bipod cut or not? I know the uppers were seperated earlier and am curious about original configurations. Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion. Last edited by Thorack; June 05, 2012 at 20:45.

June 05, 2012, 11:11	#2
johnny.308 Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 32261 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Der Hafen, Midgard Posts: 1,171	The barrel that came with my type IV is bipod cut. I have two others that came with the standard kits, one with open ears the other closed and both are bipod cut. __________________ God bless the American people and keep your powder dry. "Cry "havoc," let slip the dogs of war." Marc Anthony, Shakespear's Julius Caesar "Ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever and often fatal." Unknown

June 05, 2012, 11:25	#3
Lee Carpentieri Curio & Relic Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 4936 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: N/A Posts: 4,182	Modelo Mark IV's The first Argentine Fals weren't bipod cut and plain muzzled, Then the later NON bipod cut barrels had the 22mm combo device, Then the Modelo Mark IV's/Fal II were bipod cut along with the Argentine made 50-61 Para's. __________________ Live life to the fullest, Because in the end there's only death and taxs.

June 05, 2012, 20:46	#4
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,632	Lee, Thanks. Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion.

November 14, 2012, 21:52	#11
4 brigada Registered FALaholic #: 17849 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,514	I was told by the NCO's that our FAL's didnt have the bipods because of the possibility of becoming entangled in the rigging. But other non air transported units that had bipod cut barrels didnt have them either. That was 1976. Maybe later they did, but most pics of the troops in Malvinas didnt have any bipods. And some bipod cut (both open and closed ear) barreled rifles had non bipod cut hanguards. Pick your poison __________________ "Now, pilots are highly trained people, and wings not easily won; but without the work of the maintenance man...our pilots would march with a gun"

June 05, 2012, 21:47	#5
BC Registered FALaholic #: 752 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: cc Posts: 2,308	I saw a pre-ban all original Argentine 50.61 (long barrel para) sometime ago. It had a NON bipod cut barrel, combo device on the muzzle. I don't remember if the combo devcie was the plain style or like the Belgian/Imbel military style. I remember clearly the barrel was not bipod cut, because I was wishing that it were bipod cut. And, it had closed ear gas block. 150/250 meter rear sight.

June 09, 2012, 13:33	#7
mx2010 Registered FALaholic #: 59640 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 162	Aezcur Are the non bipod barrels chrome lined or do they just have chrome chambers?

November 14, 2012, 20:43	#9
weasel _master Registered FALaholic #: 67517 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: MN Posts: 35	Is there a source for Argie bipods? As well, I'm new to the FAL and have an argy kit. How do I tell if it's bipod cut? I'd like to pick one up for my build if it is.

November 15, 2012, 01:59	#13
STG_58_guy Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 65886 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,256	I am humbled by the depth of knowledge here... And I love my argy. Took her deer hunting last week. She is perfect.

November 15, 2012, 07:44	#14
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,505	Fmaps areextremely nice rifles that for the longest time were under appreciated and undervalued, IMHO. Thanks for the first hand info, 4brigada - __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

November 15, 2012, 22:06	#15
weasel _master Registered FALaholic #: 67517 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: MN Posts: 35	Is this bipod cut? I'm thinking no.

November 16, 2012, 21:14	#17
weasel _master Registered FALaholic #: 67517 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: MN Posts: 35	Thanks for the help.

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