Extraction problem. Winchester 100

Freedom supply · November 07, 2012, 20:06

I'm trying to fix a Winchester model 100 that does not extract. I found and replaced the extractor hoping this would solve the problem. It did not. This is a semi-auto rifle that is now a single shot. Any ideas?

'TUDE · November 07, 2012, 20:19

Did you replace the extractor plunger and spring as well?

Edited to add;
Have you checked to see if you have free travel of the gas piston? Also how is the lock up of the magazine? Tight? Wobble? Canted rearward?

shlomo · November 07, 2012, 21:53

Have you thoroughly cleaned the chamber?

Semiauto rifles that are difficult to clean from the rear tend to get gunk and rust in the chamber, because it never really gets attention.

Freedom supply · November 08, 2012, 05:55

I did replace the plunger too. The spring was unavailable. I thoroughly cleaned the bolt, gas tube and all. Did not clean the chamber but will try it.
It seems to me that the bolt doesn't quite go all the way forward to engage the extraction system. Even dropped from all the way back it often fails to grab the round. Upon visual inspection it appears to be all the way forward but in a game of micrometers it may not be quite enough.

shlomo · November 08, 2012, 06:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freedom supply

I did replace the plunger too. The spring was unavailable. I thoroughly cleaned the bolt, gas tube and all. Did not clean the chamber but will try it.
It seems to me that the bolt doesn't quite go all the way forward to engage the extraction system. Even dropped from all the way back it often fails to grab the round. Upon visual inspection it appears to be all the way forward but in a game of micrometers it may not be quite enough.

If you fired it and did not blow a case head, it is going forward, grabbing the rim, and locking.

Your admission that you have not yet cleaned the chamber makes it a near 100% certainty in my mind that this is the problem. Seen it a dozen times in Remington and Browning autoloaders that have to be cleaned from the muzzle. Bore gets brushed and cleaned, but all the crap in the chamber gets left to fester.

Wrap some OOOO steel wool strands in a .45 cal pistol brush, apply BreakFree, Kroil, or even Hoppes, and spin it in the chamber. Dry, and go shoot.

FUUN063 · November 08, 2012, 09:37

^^^^Do this first^^^^ Then, take a dummy round (I call them shlomo rounds

) and mark the back end all around the case head and inthe extractor groove with bluing or black magic marker. Load the shlomo round into the chamber and close the bolt a few times. Then, remove the empty cartridge and see where the extractor is marking up the case head. Also, just simply putting in a new extractor does not fix an extractor problem. If the old spring is worn and has insufficient power, then a new extractor will not fix the issue. The extractor will simply ride over the case head. Make sure that the extractor is not doing this as well and that it has a nice, sharp "hook" to it.

Sorry, shlomo....buddy!

Leland

**tdb59** · November 08, 2012, 10:44

Crap in the extractor cut on the barrel extention can prevent the extractor from fully engaging as well.
It does not take much.

saltshaker · November 08, 2012, 11:06

Clean it like your kids life depends on it......spray cleaners only do so much.....

Timber Wolf · November 08, 2012, 12:14

Dirty chamber. I am not a betting man but would bet that is the issue. I have several Winchester 100s, a .308 rifle, a .308 carbine, and a .284 rifle and have never had any trouble and never gave it any thought. Then I got a Remington 742 that will not extract, and studing the issue realized the Winchester can suffer the same sorry issues as the Remington. The hard to get at to clean and inspect chamber is the problem. That and a lot of guys (Fudds) that buy these generally don't take care of them like they should. Humm, maybe I need to walk by the safe and at least give the chmabers a shot of something while they sleep.

shlomo · November 08, 2012, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUUN063

^^^^Do this first^^^^ Then, take a dummy round (I call them shlomo rounds

) and mark the back end all around the case head and inthe extractor groove with bluing or black magic marker. Load the shlomo round into the chamber and close the bolt a few times. Then, remove the empty cartridge and see where the extractor is marking up the case head. Also, just simply putting in a new extractor does not fix an extractor problem. If the old spring is worn and has insufficient power, then a new extractor will not fix the issue. The extractor will simply ride over the case head. Make sure that the extractor is not doing this as well and that it has a nice, sharp "hook" to it.

Sorry, shlomo....buddy!

Leland

Anybody but you, Leland, and it's BANG--ZOOM, straight to the MOON!

Freedom supply · November 08, 2012, 19:46

Gentleman, I will be checking out the chamber and giving it a good cleaning. I will follow up once I get a chance to take it out to the range. Thanks much!

HighRatMaster · November 08, 2012, 23:11

If that doesn't work check the connecting/op rods, they can bend and cause friction.

gunnut1 · November 08, 2012, 23:57

You say the spring is unavailable. Try Lee's gun parts in Irving, Texas. Their web site sucks so you will have to call them.

http://www.leesgunparts.com/

JasonB · November 09, 2012, 20:21

Chambermaids?

http://www.cjweapons.com/aspcart45/d...ge=306&start=1

Freedom supply · November 13, 2012, 19:25

I am at a loss!

I have thoroughly cleaned this rifle, the chamber, the gas system, the bolt, used the steel wool, blown it all out with an air compressor, cleaned it again, lightly lubricated, checked the function with dummy rounds, that eject by hand everytime and then fired! One still in the pipe and one jammed up behind it holding the bolt back! I hate to admit it but i am whipped!

is it possible that the magazine spring has become weak and is causing the problem???

shlomo · November 13, 2012, 21:03

Since the bolt is getting far enough back to pick up the next round, it would seem that it is unlikely that the bolt is short-stroking and rechambering the fired case.

When you knock out the stuck fired case, does it show any anomalies, like rings around parts of the case body, or bulges?

Freedom supply · November 14, 2012, 05:11

the spent case on visual inspection looks great. no bulges or ruptures.
A live round slides in and out like silk but the fired round obviously larger in diameter now sticks a lot. It appears on the rim that the extractor had a good hold on it too as it pulls a definate extractor width groove into it when the bolt was actioned. Not harming the case rim, just definately showing signs of being pulled off.

shlomo · November 14, 2012, 05:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freedom supply

the spent case on visual inspection looks great. no bulges or ruptures.
A live round slides in and out like silk but the fired round obviously larger in diameter now sticks a lot. It appears on the rim that the extractor had a good hold on it too as it pulls a definate extractor width groove into it when the bolt was actioned. Not harming the case rim, just definately showing signs of being pulled off.

I'm assuming that the ejector plungers are working, since it ejects correctly when manually cycled.

I'd be interested to know whether the extractor is pulling off the rim and leaving the case in the chamber, or whether it is pulling the case partway back and then rechambering under a short-cycle. Is it possible for you to fire the rifle and observe this?

shlomo · November 14, 2012, 06:08

Did a little reading around just now. It appears that this is a very common problem with this rifle. Seems that the consensus is that the extractor is a bit under-engineered. One guy alleges that Nu-line Guns offers a beefed-up or oversized extractor for it that cured his problem.

You may want to call or email them to inquire.

http://www.nulineguns.com/category_part_64_2_21_64.php

Freedom supply · November 14, 2012, 19:08

Thanks for hanging in there with me shlomo! I will try anything at this point. I just wish i understood the problem. Part of my genetic makeup to have to find the answers but at this point I'll take a fix and be glad to have it.
Thanks again!

shlomo · November 14, 2012, 19:23

Nothin' to it. Making something run again that was fugged up is one of life's delights, in my book. Hope you can get to the bottom of this one.

Just a guess, but from reading up on it, it seems that the mechanics of the gun start the bolt moving a tad too soon, while a relatively high pressure still has the case walls expanded against the chamber wall. Seems like the extractor doesn't have enough ass to stay on the rim as the bolt goes back.

One guy who commented said that his slightly-downpowered handloads functioned fine, but the hotter commercial ammo stuck in the chamber.

Just FWIW.

**MAINER** · November 15, 2012, 08:25

OK, I got to ask.

Factory ammo or reloads?

**GW870** · November 15, 2012, 12:41

A bit off trac--- what was the lever action model?
Model 88? Did it suffer from the same anemic extractor?
I don't know much about these rifles but I did get to shoot
a few rounds from a model 100 many years ago. I sorta'
liked it. Thought it would be great for delta lowland woods
hunting.

GW

HighRatMaster · November 15, 2012, 23:15

My dad had a 243, my grand father and two uncles have/had 308s, my brother now has the old mans 243 and I have a 284. A good friend has a 308. All the problems with them I have seen (lots) have been op rods. Stuck, bent, popped off. Op rods, op rods, op rods. Well that and one corroded piston.

Freedom supply · November 19, 2012, 17:23

I used factory loads.

Freedom supply · November 19, 2012, 17:27

I tried a little brass experiment and am not sure if it tells me anything or not but found it peculiar. Empties shot from this gun don't want to go back into the chamber. Empties from another .308 I have slide right into the chamber. Is this guns chamber allowing over expansion of the brass? Throat erosion problem? Ay thoughts?

shlomo · November 19, 2012, 18:35

Not all chambers are created equal. They vary by reamer design, reamer wear, and the setup and skill of the operator doing the reaming. It is very easy for a careless workman to ream a chamber oversize diametrically.

That said, a lot of semiautos show more brass expansion simply because the bolt opens while there is some residual pressure in the bore. It may be low, on the order of around 5,000 psi, which is not enough to rupture anything, but enough to stretch brass or set the shoulder forward as the case is extracted.

I seem to want to ask whether your fired brass that fails to eject is easy to get out of the chamber afterward, and what it takes to do it. Can you get it out by closing the bolt on the stuck case and extracting it manually, or do you have to pound it out with a cleaning rod or some such?

Freedom supply · November 19, 2012, 20:01

I have to drag it out with a screwdriver. I have also tried to drop the bolt on it again which locks it back up on the case. I can't then work the bolt by hand and have to mallet the receiver open.

Freedom supply · November 19, 2012, 20:04

Could it hurt to do some steel wool turning in the chamber to try and loosen it up a bit? I am a bit Leary of this but maybe an option.

shlomo · November 19, 2012, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freedom supply

Could it hurt to do some steel wool turning in the chamber to try and loosen it up a bit? I am a bit Leary of this but maybe an option.

I thought you already did that?

No amount within reason of spinning 000 or 0000 steel wool (especially when lubricated with something like BreakFree) is going to damage your chamber or throat, as long as whatever it is spinning on is not solid steel and does not come in contact with the chamber or throat surface. As before, I recommend a .45 cal pistol brush with steel wool wound into it. A hand drill or battery drill-driver works well for this.

Freedom supply · November 21, 2012, 08:04

I turned it by hand.

I will rig up something with my drill and try it. I was afraid to be aggressive with it.

Timber Wolf · November 21, 2012, 08:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freedom supply

I turned it by hand.

I will rig up something with my drill and try it. I was afraid to be aggressive with it.

I recently had an AR15 that was getting fussy. I thought it was clean but finally in desperation chucked a brush in a short piece of rod and my variable speed cordless. I lubed her up and ran it in and out of the chamber. I knocked out pure chunks of crap, not visible or removed by ordinary cleaning. I was just before hand-turning a .223 finishing reamer in the chamber to see if that helped when the through cleaning cured it. Funny thing, if I had used the reamer first I am sure that would have cured it and I might not have known it was carbon build up causing the problem.

Kind of off-topic but I bought the .223 finishing reamer years ago to correct a VERY tightly chambered T/C Contender barrel that would not chamber most factory ammo. I then made an extension for the reamer to slide it through the action and into the chamber of AR barrels to clean them up. Fixed a couple of the old "Nesard" sourced barrels with rough/short chambers back in the day that way. I still have those guns/barrels and they run great.

Freedom supply · November 24, 2012, 15:40

Well, I am happy to report, success!!! Let me thank Shlomo for hanging in there with me. I got the drill out and wrapped a .45 brush with some .000 steel wool, grabbed the break free and went to work. After a good air compressor wash, I took her out to the range. I used fresh Privi ammo and she ate it up like a hungry Lion!

Again, thanks to all for the advice, after all its Deer season here in WV and someone's got a date

shlomo · November 24, 2012, 18:22

Out-freakin-standing!

Now go and getcha one a them deer.

November 07, 2012, 20:06	#1
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	Extraction problem. Winchester 100 I'm trying to fix a Winchester model 100 that does not extract. I found and replaced the extractor hoping this would solve the problem. It did not. This is a semi-auto rifle that is now a single shot. Any ideas?

November 07, 2012, 20:19	#2
'TUDE Registered FALaholic #: 704 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: N.Texas Posts: 6,491	Did you replace the extractor plunger and spring as well? Edited to add; Have you checked to see if you have free travel of the gas piston? Also how is the lock up of the magazine? Tight? Wobble? Canted rearward? __________________ http://smokefreequitmeter.com/index....nner/39345.png [/url] Last edited by 'TUDE; November 07, 2012 at 20:28.

November 08, 2012, 09:37	#6
FUUN063 Computer Illiterate Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 35576 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Converse, Indiana Posts: 4,581	^^^^Do this first^^^^ Then, take a dummy round (I call them shlomo rounds) and mark the back end all around the case head and inthe extractor groove with bluing or black magic marker. Load the shlomo round into the chamber and close the bolt a few times. Then, remove the empty cartridge and see where the extractor is marking up the case head. Also, just simply putting in a new extractor does not fix an extractor problem. If the old spring is worn and has insufficient power, then a new extractor will not fix the issue. The extractor will simply ride over the case head. Make sure that the extractor is not doing this as well and that it has a nice, sharp "hook" to it. Sorry, shlomo....buddy! Leland

November 08, 2012, 10:44	#7
tdb59 Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63177 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: I am here Posts: 2,259	Crap in the extractor cut on the barrel extention can prevent the extractor from fully engaging as well. It does not take much. __________________ "I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

November 08, 2012, 11:06	#8
saltshaker Registered FALaholic #: 43355 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tarpon Springs, Fl. / Jax. Fl. Posts: 1,241	Clean it like your kids life depends on it......spray cleaners only do so much..... __________________ Tyler Durden: In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

November 07, 2012, 21:53	#3
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Have you thoroughly cleaned the chamber? Semiauto rifles that are difficult to clean from the rear tend to get gunk and rust in the chamber, because it never really gets attention.

November 08, 2012, 05:55	#4
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I did replace the plunger too. The spring was unavailable. I thoroughly cleaned the bolt, gas tube and all. Did not clean the chamber but will try it. It seems to me that the bolt doesn't quite go all the way forward to engage the extraction system. Even dropped from all the way back it often fails to grab the round. Upon visual inspection it appears to be all the way forward but in a game of micrometers it may not be quite enough.

November 08, 2012, 12:14	#9
Timber Wolf Registered FALaholic #: 805 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 2,801	Dirty chamber. I am not a betting man but would bet that is the issue. I have several Winchester 100s, a .308 rifle, a .308 carbine, and a .284 rifle and have never had any trouble and never gave it any thought. Then I got a Remington 742 that will not extract, and studing the issue realized the Winchester can suffer the same sorry issues as the Remington. The hard to get at to clean and inspect chamber is the problem. That and a lot of guys (Fudds) that buy these generally don't take care of them like they should. Humm, maybe I need to walk by the safe and at least give the chmabers a shot of something while they sleep. __________________ First rule of gun fighting: "have a gun!" "Guns don't kill people. Daddys with good looking daughters do!"

November 08, 2012, 19:46	#11
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	Gentleman, I will be checking out the chamber and giving it a good cleaning. I will follow up once I get a chance to take it out to the range. Thanks much!

November 08, 2012, 23:11	#12
HighRatMaster Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 19296 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oleta CA USA Posts: 1,186	If that doesn't work check the connecting/op rods, they can bend and cause friction. __________________ It doesn't matter what you miss them with. Don't bother burying your guns because that's the time they need to be dug up. "You in or out?" "I'll take his legs."

November 08, 2012, 23:57	#13
gunnut1 Moderator Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 1877 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The great Republic of Texas USA!!!!! Posts: 10,428	You say the spring is unavailable. Try Lee's gun parts in Irving, Texas. Their web site sucks so you will have to call them. http://www.leesgunparts.com/ __________________ Texas, it's a state of mind!!!! The human race is not the pinnacle of evolution. We are but one evolutionary out come.

November 09, 2012, 20:21	#14
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November 13, 2012, 19:25	#15
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I am at a loss! I have thoroughly cleaned this rifle, the chamber, the gas system, the bolt, used the steel wool, blown it all out with an air compressor, cleaned it again, lightly lubricated, checked the function with dummy rounds, that eject by hand everytime and then fired! One still in the pipe and one jammed up behind it holding the bolt back! I hate to admit it but i am whipped! is it possible that the magazine spring has become weak and is causing the problem???

November 13, 2012, 21:03	#16
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Since the bolt is getting far enough back to pick up the next round, it would seem that it is unlikely that the bolt is short-stroking and rechambering the fired case. When you knock out the stuck fired case, does it show any anomalies, like rings around parts of the case body, or bulges?

November 14, 2012, 05:11	#17
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	the spent case on visual inspection looks great. no bulges or ruptures. A live round slides in and out like silk but the fired round obviously larger in diameter now sticks a lot. It appears on the rim that the extractor had a good hold on it too as it pulls a definate extractor width groove into it when the bolt was actioned. Not harming the case rim, just definately showing signs of being pulled off.

November 14, 2012, 06:08	#19
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Did a little reading around just now. It appears that this is a very common problem with this rifle. Seems that the consensus is that the extractor is a bit under-engineered. One guy alleges that Nu-line Guns offers a beefed-up or oversized extractor for it that cured his problem. You may want to call or email them to inquire. http://www.nulineguns.com/category_part_64_2_21_64.php

November 14, 2012, 19:08	#20
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	Thanks for hanging in there with me shlomo! I will try anything at this point. I just wish i understood the problem. Part of my genetic makeup to have to find the answers but at this point I'll take a fix and be glad to have it. Thanks again!

November 14, 2012, 19:23	#21
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Nothin' to it. Making something run again that was fugged up is one of life's delights, in my book. Hope you can get to the bottom of this one. Just a guess, but from reading up on it, it seems that the mechanics of the gun start the bolt moving a tad too soon, while a relatively high pressure still has the case walls expanded against the chamber wall. Seems like the extractor doesn't have enough ass to stay on the rim as the bolt goes back. One guy who commented said that his slightly-downpowered handloads functioned fine, but the hotter commercial ammo stuck in the chamber. Just FWIW. Last edited by shlomo; November 14, 2012 at 20:04. Reason: I don't just grammar-nazi other people's stuff.

November 15, 2012, 08:25	#22
MAINER Old Fart Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 18465 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 6,282	OK, I got to ask. Factory ammo or reloads? __________________ Joe Biden for President.

November 15, 2012, 12:41	#23
GW870 Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 8076 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: east Arkansas Posts: 1,358	A bit off trac--- what was the lever action model? Model 88? Did it suffer from the same anemic extractor? I don't know much about these rifles but I did get to shoot a few rounds from a model 100 many years ago. I sorta' liked it. Thought it would be great for delta lowland woods hunting. GW

November 15, 2012, 23:15	#24
HighRatMaster Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 19296 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oleta CA USA Posts: 1,186	My dad had a 243, my grand father and two uncles have/had 308s, my brother now has the old mans 243 and I have a 284. A good friend has a 308. All the problems with them I have seen (lots) have been op rods. Stuck, bent, popped off. Op rods, op rods, op rods. Well that and one corroded piston. __________________ It doesn't matter what you miss them with. Don't bother burying your guns because that's the time they need to be dug up. "You in or out?" "I'll take his legs."

November 19, 2012, 17:23	#25
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I used factory loads.

November 19, 2012, 17:27	#26
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I tried a little brass experiment and am not sure if it tells me anything or not but found it peculiar. Empties shot from this gun don't want to go back into the chamber. Empties from another .308 I have slide right into the chamber. Is this guns chamber allowing over expansion of the brass? Throat erosion problem? Ay thoughts?

November 19, 2012, 18:35	#27
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Not all chambers are created equal. They vary by reamer design, reamer wear, and the setup and skill of the operator doing the reaming. It is very easy for a careless workman to ream a chamber oversize diametrically. That said, a lot of semiautos show more brass expansion simply because the bolt opens while there is some residual pressure in the bore. It may be low, on the order of around 5,000 psi, which is not enough to rupture anything, but enough to stretch brass or set the shoulder forward as the case is extracted. I seem to want to ask whether your fired brass that fails to eject is easy to get out of the chamber afterward, and what it takes to do it. Can you get it out by closing the bolt on the stuck case and extracting it manually, or do you have to pound it out with a cleaning rod or some such?

November 19, 2012, 20:01	#28
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I have to drag it out with a screwdriver. I have also tried to drop the bolt on it again which locks it back up on the case. I can't then work the bolt by hand and have to mallet the receiver open.

November 19, 2012, 20:04	#29
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	Could it hurt to do some steel wool turning in the chamber to try and loosen it up a bit? I am a bit Leary of this but maybe an option.

November 21, 2012, 08:04	#31
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	I turned it by hand. I will rig up something with my drill and try it. I was afraid to be aggressive with it.

November 24, 2012, 15:40	#33
Freedom supply Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66762 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 43	Well, I am happy to report, success!!! Let me thank Shlomo for hanging in there with me. I got the drill out and wrapped a .45 brush with some .000 steel wool, grabbed the break free and went to work. After a good air compressor wash, I took her out to the range. I used fresh Privi ammo and she ate it up like a hungry Lion! Again, thanks to all for the advice, after all its Deer season here in WV and someone's got a date

November 24, 2012, 18:22	#34
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 12,003	Out-freakin-standing! Now go and getcha one a them deer.

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