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Old November 12, 2012, 15:22   #1
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Pellet stove backup?

So, I got my live-in tin shed insulated and am putting in a pellet stove. I need a backup heat source for when the power goes out in the winter and was thinking of using a tank-top heater that clamps on a 20 lb. propane bottle. Can these be used indoors for extended periods of time(a few days) in an 18' x 18' shed without having a window open or do I need to consider something else for temporary backup?
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Old November 12, 2012, 17:55   #2
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Most of the pellet stoves I've seen require 115vac.

Okay..I see you are asking a backup to the pellet stove..
I'd go with a catalylic propane wall mount heater. Keep a window or two cracked for fresh air circulation.
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Old November 13, 2012, 16:28   #3
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Kinda ironic..I stopped by a friends house last night,and he was trying to bug a problem with his pellet stove. It would go thru the entire start-up cycle,but burn out after not getting any pellets augered into it.Long story short..we tracked it all back to the microswitch on the pellet hopper lid,which cuts power to the auger when the lid is lifted,so kiddies don't get their piggies stuck in the auger."Reprofiled" the microswitch are(bent it slightly)and it started working like a charm.
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Old November 13, 2012, 16:44   #4
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On mine I went to the RV store and got an inverter, so when the power is out I hook up to an auto battery. Will run for days on a deep cycle optima battery.
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thinking of using a tank-top heater that clamps on a 20 lb. propane bottle. Can these be used indoors for extended periods of time(a few days) in an 18' x 18' shed without having a window open ?
Not without dying.

There are small catalytic heaters for this, hthttp://www.northerntool.com/images...35_lg.jpgtp://. I use one in my wall tent sometimes when it's not quite cold enough for the wood stove or it more than 5 below outside and I don't want to get up 3 times a night to stoke the fire, it works great.
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Old November 14, 2012, 00:01   #6
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On mine I went to the RV store and got an inverter, so when the power is out I hook up to an auto battery. Will run for days on a deep cycle optima battery.
This.
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On mine I went to the RV store and got an inverter, so when the power is out I hook up to an auto battery. Will run for days on a deep cycle optima battery.
Yep!

This +2.

A coworker has this setup and it works great!
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Old November 14, 2012, 16:38   #8
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It will run the fan as well for days?
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Yep, does down here in NM. I put my battery in a box with inverter and plug and looks like it belongs in the living room. I use the gel cell batteries to avoid fumes and they can take deep discharges and recover. I would guess time on batery will depend on the fan size and speed but mine does fine.
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Back-up heater

FYI...Propane or Natural Gas burns wet....puts off lots of moisture into the air.

My Dad and I Elk hunt in Eastern Oregon (prefer in winter, in the snow) and we made the mistake one year of taking our catalytic propane heater in leu of our Kerosene heater...huge mistake. It was warm enough when you stood by it but it made everything in the tent damp (which equates to farging cold)...and it was near impossible to dry anything out.

Might be ok for more temperate climates...but if its colder than a well diggers belt buckle outside...propane or natural gas are out.

Personally my back up would be a good old fashion wood burning stove.....work good last long time.....proven by history to be very effective.
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hand fed coal burning gravity heat. no 'lectricity at all. 60K BTU all day long, as long as the 3 ton coal pile lasts.
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FYI...Propane or Natural Gas burns wet....puts off lots of moisture into the air.
I used to know that but somehow forgot. Remembered it a few days ago when I borrowed my friends propane heater to test it out and it pert near started raining in here, even with some ventilation. Droplets of water all over the ceiling dripping, dripping...

No propane for me.
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On mine I went to the RV store and got an inverter, so when the power is out I hook up to an auto battery. Will run for days on a deep cycle optima battery.
This was my original plan but did'nt know how long a battery would last powering the auger and the fan. After I did a test on propane heat and actually witnessed how WET it made everything I'm back to going w/the 12V battery backup system idea. Figure I'll keep 2-3 batteries ready to go with a trickle charger and recharge them w/the generator if the powers out for more than a few days.
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I've had good luck with the gel cell batteries. Had one I ran down to nothing trying to start a big block vehicle at=10F in January. Left it in the car until the end of May, dead. I checked it in May and it was DEAD. I took it out and put it on a charger for a couple of hours and it had enough to fire the car up. I drove the car home and the battery charged for over 6 hours drawning 35-40 amps. Ran it another 4 years.
On the heater I made a little box with a plug and brass latches. I can pull the battery out and use the car to recharge them fully but otherwise out of sight. I have one now rated at 1200 amp hrs. The fan draws maybe 1-2 amps and the auger maybe an amp when augering so say 2 amps for the system. 1000amp/hr at 12V to 100amp/hr at 100v thru the inverter so you'll get about 50hrs on a full battery charge. Ask your pellet heater provider what the power draw is and you figure it out for your battery set.
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120 AH of AGM batteries hooked to a 400W UPS. Have run the stove for 4 hours after the power went out. Can charge by solar if I need to.

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