Reward: Wanted Dead or Alive

V guy · July 19, 2012, 10:15

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...t-and-furious/

The Conservative Caucus has offered a $100,000 reward to anyone who comes forward with info that the White House, Obama or Holder are guilty for creating "Fast and Furious."

The ad I heard says, "Save yourself prosecution like in Watergate. Come Forward now."

Pretty clever!! Everyone knows what Obama was up to, just need the smoking gun!

Body count may now start to increase. The "one" may be down to .5, if this starts to bring people forward.

I hope!

357ross · July 19, 2012, 10:22

It would be great if it worked, something tells me that this will result in a lot of folks having 'Vince Foster' moments.

**308bolt** · July 19, 2012, 10:45

$100,000.00 is chump change when you weigh it against a career in D.C.

**TheDanimal** · July 19, 2012, 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

$100,000.00 is chump change when you weigh it against a career in D.C.

I was thinking the same, exact thing.

juanni · July 19, 2012, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

$100,000.00 is chump change when you weigh it against a career in D.C.

Yeah that doesn't buy much time with a Wall St provided hooker.

..............juanni

V guy · July 19, 2012, 16:58

That amount, weighed against a felony conviction is a pretty good deal.

Watergate got a sitting AG, Chief of Staff and dozens of underlings who simply went along with it.

Someone may just decide to save themselves, as it is plain that Holder and Obama did not succeed in throwing dozens of ATF guys under the bus and will now sacrifice more, like Hutus and Tutsi's with machetes.

Those likely to speak are disgruntled west wing employees who did not get promotions they thought they deserved.
Also, those who know something and would be likely candidates for Holder and Obama to blame, will talk if the heat gets close.

The strangest things happen when more than one person has to keep a secret!!

357ross · July 19, 2012, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

$100,000.00 is chump change when you weigh it against a career in D.C.

Good point.

**martin35** · July 19, 2012, 20:35

It was reported on Fox that a memo was circulated to all ATF personal to use the chain of command when reporting wrong doing or face legal repercussions,,, if true that is cover-up lingo.

RG Coburn · July 19, 2012, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by martin35

It was reported on Fox that a memo was circulated to all ATF personal to use the chain of command when reporting wrong doing or face legal repercussions,,, if true that is cover-up lingo.

ATF doesn't really have a "chain of command"...
More like a 3" drain pipe from the upstairs toilet...

V guy · July 20, 2012, 09:37

Two people, is one too many, to keep a secret.

Now that the reward is known to everyone there.......now the looks start by the bosses and other guilty coworkers----PARANOIA....."did Joe make a call?" "I can see it in his guilty eyes....he is turning against us.......sob, I am not going down, I'll turn his ass in!"

DOJ and the West Wing are where the bad guys are hiding, or already have quit.
In Watergate, when John Dean turned....people could not believe it.
Same will happen this time. Human beings are weak and easily moved......by money.

I hope Mona Sutphen, former deputy chief of staff under Rham, acts to save her own ass from the slammer.....maybe it will be someone who worked under her? Once the dam breaks, there will be plenty of whistelblowers.

**308bolt** · July 20, 2012, 09:41

I'm guessing nothing will come of it.
Cheap assed Republicans will have to put up some real money.

V guy · July 20, 2012, 10:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSON_YYpxoM

Paranoid acting director of ATF is on this video, warning ANYONE that they will be dealt with if they whistleblow on F&F.

Issa and Grassley have responded with Congressional attack, and told employees that they can talk to Congress without fear of repercussions.

The acting head says chain of command must be followed........ when turning in Obama and Holder........ and you must go up the chain.............yeah, right!!

I detect stark fear in his message and Holder has probably already identified the weak links in the White House and ATF who will probably "strike."

Promotions WILL come to those who whistleblow on the dark duo.

**308bolt** · July 20, 2012, 12:08

I detect an interim director trying to fix a corrupt agency while keeping it's problems internal instead of hanging them out on the clothesline for everyone to see.

Olaf · July 20, 2012, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I'm guessing nothing will come of it.
Cheap assed Republicans will have to put up some real money.

+1 Charlie Sheen spent more than that a week on coke n strippers

V guy · July 20, 2012, 21:29

Hanging the dirty laundry out on the closeline WILL reveal F&F; unless you are for hiding the truth..............

That totalitarian obama/holder protecting asshole should be working for the Chavez or Putin administration, not for some USA agency.

Cybercop · July 22, 2012, 07:19

If they really want to know what went down they are targeting the wrong folks. They need to cozy up to the SysAdmin for the agency, 10 to 1 there are a bunch of backup tapes or DVD's out there waiting to be discovered! And 100K will do thet job nicely. The side benifit will be watching the bodies hit the floor while they try and figure out who snitched. Could be a self correcting problem if played right.

0302 · July 22, 2012, 13:20

$100k is a JOKE. a gs 14 cracks the $100k salary barrier, most atf & such way below a gs14, any gov employee that plays snitch for chump change will be blacklisted / radioactive, the agent that snitched on this is already toast. make that $10,000,000, might get a response. repubs need to quit being so cheap, you get what you pay for.

**308bolt** · July 22, 2012, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy

Hanging the dirty laundry out on the closeline WILL reveal F&F; unless you are for hiding the truth..............

But he won't so what's your point. If it's that a paltry $100,000.00 is going to buy the truth you are seriously deluded. If someone did step forward to trade supposed inside information for the bounty the information would become suspect because of the bounty. In addition 100 K is still a pittance when considering your whole life is changed the day you earn it.

ftierson · July 22, 2012, 17:34

Is it paid in food stamps?

Forrest

V guy · July 22, 2012, 18:02

The goverment service is full of every stripe of person. Not all dems.

There are likely some career agents, or lawyers of a decent stripe, who have already decided to go down in history, like John Dean or Gordon Liddy, not like Vince Foster.

Ego is a pretty big factor, when you have the facts at your disposal; money ain't the deciding factor when it comes to "do it."
That is what they are counting on. Cynics might discount the nobility factor, but plenty of decent people work for the government; a minority for sure, but they do exist and scare the shit out of the assholes who planned this travesty.

"Getting even," is far under reported; happens all the time.
Revenge is a dish, that served "hot," IS damn good, despite reports to the contrary.

**J. Armstrong** · July 22, 2012, 18:05

QUOTE=ftierson;3394681]Is it paid in food stamps?

Forrest[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't get my hopes up over this. The Rs are just Ds under a different alias. Even IF they out the details and Romney gets in, does anyone really expect any significant improvement in DC ???

I sure don't.

**Seaweed** · July 22, 2012, 18:38

I'm curious exactly what law would be broken and how reporting wrongdoing would result in legal action being taken against the whistle blower. Sorta sounds like an idle threat or BS.

**308bolt** · July 22, 2012, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy

The goverment service is full of every stripe of person. Not all dems.

There are likely some career agents, or lawyers of a decent stripe, who have already decided to go down in history, like John Dean or Gordon Liddy, not like Vince Foster.

Ego is a pretty big factor, when you have the facts at your disposal; money ain't the deciding factor when it comes to "do it."
That is what they are counting on. Cynics might discount the nobility factor, but plenty of decent people work for the government; a minority for sure, but they do exist and scare the shit out of the assholes who planned this travesty.

"Getting even," is far under reported; happens all the time.
Revenge is a dish, that served "hot," IS damn good, despite reports to the contrary.

If the motive in coming forward would be revenge than it would have happened already, the Republicans offering a buck three ninety-five reward notwithstanding.

V guy · July 23, 2012, 11:44

Some people will not make the move unless the wind is blowing in the right direction, and it seems to be happening, at least, at ATF.
they have lots of anecdotal evidence but are looking for the smoking gun and documents that Holder refuses to hand over.

Trying to keep some bureaucrat in Iraq or Afghanistan so that he cannot talk to Grassley is cheap desperate politics.

The dam IS cracking for Obama.

Only one person can keep a secret and then only if does not drink.
That means they are constantly looking each other to see who is talking and to who. Paranoia breeds mistakes and anger.

Holder was recenty quoted that a justice department, independent of the DOJ and white house was needed. He also said that Congress did not understand what the Atty General does.

**308bolt** · July 23, 2012, 11:50

And most people just cover their own ass.
You've now gone from chump change to revenge for a motive to come forward.
Either one changes their life.
I'm curious, what you think someone needs to take revenge for.
Do you have a specific incident in mind or is this just another product of your vivid, delusional imagination?

V guy · July 24, 2012, 10:29

Did you ever have a real job?

You only purpose in life seems to be in attacking anything I say, and I love it!!

You are exactly the type of person who gets outed by whistleblowers;
ps did I ever tell you that Lron is a tuna? Charlie--the reject.

**308bolt** · July 24, 2012, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy

Did you ever have a real job?

You only purpose in life seems to be in attacking anything I say, and I love it!!

You are exactly the type of person who gets outed by whistleblowers;
ps did I ever tell you that Lron is a tuna? Charlie--the reject.

It is very telling that you consider any comment that doesn't buy into your delusions an attack. Paranoid much?

V guy · July 24, 2012, 11:58

Olaf · July 24, 2012, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftierson

Is it paid in food stamps?

Forrest

They said R's were putting up a reward not Dems

**308bolt** · July 24, 2012, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olaf

They said R's were putting up a reward not Dems

Firestarter · July 25, 2012, 19:32

Why scoff at $100,000? Especially considering the players that might be involved.

Gives one plenty of time for writing and seeking one hell of a book deal with a publisher.

It's called capital risk, but hey, It might be just the right price...for the right person.

Deltaten · July 26, 2012, 08:53

Gee...

... I'da never considered that I'm [that much of a] racist; but....

First damm'd thing I thought when that vid insert came up was 'THat figgers.. a black 'Acting Director' of ATF! How unusual is THAT?!?!?!
Is political cronyism based on race, racism? Is questioning said cronyism racist?
How does it happen that the only person available in the 'chain-of-command' (to be appointed) is black?

Not to say the fella's not qualified. Not to say he hasn't worked his way up or through the Bureau. Have I/we become *so* conditioned to expect this nepotism/cronyism that to assume that virtually any appointee by BO would be black has become so common as to be mundane(?) ?

As humans, we tend to surround ourselves with those like ourselves. Must go back to and beyond tribal days. Gun guys hang out with other gun guys. LIbs hang out [with each other]at Prius dealers and OWS gatherings. Caucasian politicos hang out with anyone that forks over bux and Black pols stick well and truly to the BCC creedo of hanging out with their own.

I guess it's too much to assume that BO would pick an AD simply based on the quality of his character?!

jest ramblin'

0302 · July 26, 2012, 22:12

i remember well what the clintons did to all their opposition, linda tripp went thru hell, her gov records exposed in violation of pricacy laws, pilloried daily by the press, all bills wimmin slapped down by the power elite, the smart ones fled the country, vince foster wound up as cold meat. any gov employee dumb enough to take on the president, main stream media, dept of justice, fbi, democrat machine will be ground into the ground like dogsh!t. if you are not a member of the power elite you are helpless crap. better get at least $25,000,000 to snitch the more i think about it.

July 19, 2012, 10:15	#1
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	Reward: Wanted Dead or Alive http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...t-and-furious/ The Conservative Caucus has offered a $100,000 reward to anyone who comes forward with info that the White House, Obama or Holder are guilty for creating "Fast and Furious." The ad I heard says, "Save yourself prosecution like in Watergate. Come Forward now." Pretty clever!! Everyone knows what Obama was up to, just need the smoking gun! Body count may now start to increase. The "one" may be down to .5, if this starts to bring people forward. I hope!

July 19, 2012, 10:45	#3
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19,931	$100,000.00 is chump change when you weigh it against a career in D.C. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

July 19, 2012, 16:58	#6
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	That amount, weighed against a felony conviction is a pretty good deal. Watergate got a sitting AG, Chief of Staff and dozens of underlings who simply went along with it. Someone may just decide to save themselves, as it is plain that Holder and Obama did not succeed in throwing dozens of ATF guys under the bus and will now sacrifice more, like Hutus and Tutsi's with machetes. Those likely to speak are disgruntled west wing employees who did not get promotions they thought they deserved. Also, those who know something and would be likely candidates for Holder and Obama to blame, will talk if the heat gets close. The strangest things happen when more than one person has to keep a secret!! Last edited by V guy; July 19, 2012 at 17:44.

July 19, 2012, 20:35	#8
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,829	It was reported on Fox that a memo was circulated to all ATF personal to use the chain of command when reporting wrong doing or face legal repercussions,,, if true that is cover-up lingo. __________________ "Inside the wire" has taken on new meaning",, in Obamastan

July 20, 2012, 09:37	#10
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	Two people, is one too many, to keep a secret. Now that the reward is known to everyone there.......now the looks start by the bosses and other guilty coworkers----PARANOIA....."did Joe make a call?" "I can see it in his guilty eyes....he is turning against us.......sob, I am not going down, I'll turn his ass in!" DOJ and the West Wing are where the bad guys are hiding, or already have quit. In Watergate, when John Dean turned....people could not believe it. Same will happen this time. Human beings are weak and easily moved......by money. I hope Mona Sutphen, former deputy chief of staff under Rham, acts to save her own ass from the slammer.....maybe it will be someone who worked under her? Once the dam breaks, there will be plenty of whistelblowers. Last edited by V guy; July 20, 2012 at 09:50.

July 19, 2012, 10:22	#2
357ross Registered FALaholic #: 47543 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 1,623	It would be great if it worked, something tells me that this will result in a lot of folks having 'Vince Foster' moments.

July 20, 2012, 09:41	#11
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19,931	I'm guessing nothing will come of it. Cheap assed Republicans will have to put up some real money. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

July 20, 2012, 10:42	#12
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSON_YYpxoM Paranoid acting director of ATF is on this video, warning ANYONE that they will be dealt with if they whistleblow on F&F. Issa and Grassley have responded with Congressional attack, and told employees that they can talk to Congress without fear of repercussions. The acting head says chain of command must be followed........ when turning in Obama and Holder........ and you must go up the chain.............yeah, right!! I detect stark fear in his message and Holder has probably already identified the weak links in the White House and ATF who will probably "strike." Promotions WILL come to those who whistleblow on the dark duo.

July 20, 2012, 12:08	#13
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19,931	I detect an interim director trying to fix a corrupt agency while keeping it's problems internal instead of hanging them out on the clothesline for everyone to see. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

July 20, 2012, 21:29	#15
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	Hanging the dirty laundry out on the closeline WILL reveal F&F; unless you are for hiding the truth.............. That totalitarian obama/holder protecting asshole should be working for the Chavez or Putin administration, not for some USA agency.

July 22, 2012, 07:19	#16
Cybercop Registered FALaholic #: 2406 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Columbus, OH USA Posts: 413	If they really want to know what went down they are targeting the wrong folks. They need to cozy up to the SysAdmin for the agency, 10 to 1 there are a bunch of backup tapes or DVD's out there waiting to be discovered! And 100K will do thet job nicely. The side benifit will be watching the bodies hit the floor while they try and figure out who snitched. Could be a self correcting problem if played right. __________________ Secretary Ohio Oath Keepers Ohio L.E. Liaison http://www.ohiooathkeepers.org ------------------ "I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the something I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do." Edward Everett Hale (decedent of Nathan Hale)

July 22, 2012, 13:20	#17
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,673	$100k is a JOKE. a gs 14 cracks the $100k salary barrier, most atf & such way below a gs14, any gov employee that plays snitch for chump change will be blacklisted / radioactive, the agent that snitched on this is already toast. make that $10,000,000, might get a response. repubs need to quit being so cheap, you get what you pay for.

July 22, 2012, 17:34	#19
ftierson Registered FALaholic #: 13827 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 11,039	Is it paid in food stamps? Forrest

July 22, 2012, 18:02	#20
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	The goverment service is full of every stripe of person. Not all dems. There are likely some career agents, or lawyers of a decent stripe, who have already decided to go down in history, like John Dean or Gordon Liddy, not like Vince Foster. Ego is a pretty big factor, when you have the facts at your disposal; money ain't the deciding factor when it comes to "do it." That is what they are counting on. Cynics might discount the nobility factor, but plenty of decent people work for the government; a minority for sure, but they do exist and scare the shit out of the assholes who planned this travesty. "Getting even," is far under reported; happens all the time. Revenge is a dish, that served "hot," IS damn good, despite reports to the contrary. Last edited by V guy; July 22, 2012 at 18:24.

July 22, 2012, 18:05	#21
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,491	QUOTE=ftierson;3394681]Is it paid in food stamps? Forrest[/QUOTE] I wouldn't get my hopes up over this. The Rs are just Ds under a different alias. Even IF they out the details and Romney gets in, does anyone really expect any significant improvement in DC ??? I sure don't. __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

July 22, 2012, 18:38	#22
Seaweed Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 2736 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Newport, OR Posts: 1,280	I'm curious exactly what law would be broken and how reporting wrongdoing would result in legal action being taken against the whistle blower. Sorta sounds like an idle threat or BS.

July 23, 2012, 11:44	#24
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	Some people will not make the move unless the wind is blowing in the right direction, and it seems to be happening, at least, at ATF. they have lots of anecdotal evidence but are looking for the smoking gun and documents that Holder refuses to hand over. Trying to keep some bureaucrat in Iraq or Afghanistan so that he cannot talk to Grassley is cheap desperate politics. The dam IS cracking for Obama. Only one person can keep a secret and then only if does not drink. That means they are constantly looking each other to see who is talking and to who. Paranoia breeds mistakes and anger. Holder was recenty quoted that a justice department, independent of the DOJ and white house was needed. He also said that Congress did not understand what the Atty General does.

July 23, 2012, 11:50	#25
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19,931	And most people just cover their own ass. You've now gone from chump change to revenge for a motive to come forward. Either one changes their life. I'm curious, what you think someone needs to take revenge for. Do you have a specific incident in mind or is this just another product of your vivid, delusional imagination? __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

July 24, 2012, 10:29	#26
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	Did you ever have a real job? You only purpose in life seems to be in attacking anything I say, and I love it!! You are exactly the type of person who gets outed by whistleblowers; ps did I ever tell you that Lron is a tuna? Charlie--the reject.

July 24, 2012, 11:58	#28
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191

July 25, 2012, 19:32	#31
Firestarter Registered FALaholic #: 11413 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: **** you Posts: 5,672	Why scoff at $100,000? Especially considering the players that might be involved. Gives one plenty of time for writing and seeking one hell of a book deal with a publisher. It's called capital risk, but hey, It might be just the right price...for the right person.

July 26, 2012, 08:53	#32
Deltaten Registered FALaholic #: 124 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lancaster, PA USA Posts: 8,498	Gee... ... I'da never considered that I'm [that much of a] racist; but.... First damm'd thing I thought when that vid insert came up was 'THat figgers.. a black 'Acting Director' of ATF! How unusual is THAT?!?!?! Is political cronyism based on race, racism? Is questioning said cronyism racist? How does it happen that the only person available in the 'chain-of-command' (to be appointed) is black? Not to say the fella's not qualified. Not to say he hasn't worked his way up or through the Bureau. Have I/we become so conditioned to expect this nepotism/cronyism that to assume that virtually any appointee by BO would be black has become so common as to be mundane(?) ? As humans, we tend to surround ourselves with those like ourselves. Must go back to and beyond tribal days. Gun guys hang out with other gun guys. LIbs hang out [with each other]at Prius dealers and OWS gatherings. Caucasian politicos hang out with anyone that forks over bux and Black pols stick well and truly to the BCC creedo of hanging out with their own. I guess it's too much to assume that BO would pick an AD simply based on the quality of his character?! jest ramblin' __________________ All or Nothing! Senator McCarthy was right! and as always......FYB!

July 26, 2012, 22:12	#33
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,673	i remember well what the clintons did to all their opposition, linda tripp went thru hell, her gov records exposed in violation of pricacy laws, pilloried daily by the press, all bills wimmin slapped down by the power elite, the smart ones fled the country, vince foster wound up as cold meat. any gov employee dumb enough to take on the president, main stream media, dept of justice, fbi, democrat machine will be ground into the ground like dogsh!t. if you are not a member of the power elite you are helpless crap. better get at least $25,000,000 to snitch the more i think about it.

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