Filing ejector to adjust ejection.Who's tried it ?

[cobrasks]

I want to adjust my FAL's ejection.

I have heavy brass kisses ,and can't
use an optic without hitting it.

My brass is also kinda mangled/heavily dented.

A search yielded this sight from a fellow
files member :

http://community-1.webtv.net/ggiilli...LRIFLEEJECTOR/

Has anyone tried this and had success ?

If not ,does anyone have any better ideas ?

I searched for this on the files ,and only 2 members
stated they tried it succesfully.

I'd like to here from some more people before getting
out the file !

(Yeah ,I'm over cautious )

Your input is appreciated.

[ftierson]

ggiilliiee ssaayyss tthhaatt iitt wwoorrkkss..



Forrest Forrest

[ratas calientes]

Originally posted by ftierson
ggiilliiee ssaayyss tthhaatt iitt wwoorrkkss..



Forrest Forrest

Cute there, Forrest..

[Bangz]

How bout it Gunplumber, does it work? (Just looking for a truly qualified opinion before I start filing things that maybe I shouldn't)

[ggiilliiee]

gunplummer been learning from me ...do a search on barrel shortening .....he wont know anything about ths type of work ....hes into stock weapons ...nice as they are ......there are another 9 levels in the fal dojo...you must seek them my son .....if you go back 4 yearsin the posts you will find the truth ......he he ...and no ...lap and polish isnt WEG's idea or the hammer follow test ...or how to bypass hitting the ramp ...or line boring barrels....or using the rite tools to line up sights ...ect..ect....and the ejector filing has worked flawlessly on about 58 of my builds ....every one of em will tag ya at 500 yds....i shoot across canyons in the cascades .....trust me ....

[vmtz]

Originally posted by ggiilliiee
gunplummer been learning from me ...do a search on barrel shortening .....he wont know anything about ths type of work ....hes into stock weapons ...nice as they are ......there are another 9 levels in the fal dojo...you must seek them my son .....if you go back 4 yearsin the posts you will find the truth ......he he ...and no ...lap and polish isnt WEG's idea or the hammer follow test ...or how to bypass hitting the ramp ...or line boring barrels....or using the rite tools to line up sights ...ect..ect....and the ejector filing has worked flawlessly on about 58 of my builds ....every one of em will tag ya at 500 yds....i shoot across canyons in the cascades .....trust me ....

Did you teach him about video production also?


Vince

[g5]

I've done it following Gillie's instructions. It's easy. It works. It doesn't hurt your rifle. Don't do too much, however.

[stg58guy]

I had a Federal Arms scope mount cover on my STG-58 and the brass completely reshaped the ejection port area.
Since then I got a Tapco scope mount and did the ejector filing trick.
Now my rifle ejects to about "ten o'clock" without the brass hitting neither the scope mount cover or the receiver.
So it worked great for me.
Just do the filing a bit at the time, you can always take out more but putting it back is difficult...

[ratas calientes]

The concept behind ggiilliiee's mod is to move the point of impact of the ejector on the spent brass case more towards the center-line of the case - which should impart less spin on the case. He does this by removing a small amount of material from the outside edge of the ejector. Should work. Go slow. Enjoy.

[cobrasks]

Amazingly few positive responses.

I had really hoped that Gunplumber,or another
recognizable (to me) smith had posted more
on this.

More research has just resulted in more long
pissing matches and many difficult to read
posts.

Speaking of which ,seriously,is English Gillies
first language,or maby 2nd,3rd ,etc... ?

I'm not meaning to be rude .His idea
and sight may wind up being useful to me
and I'm very appreciative,but
it's difficult to understand !

Some people have difficulty communicating
with speech and some with text.

Can anyone translate this to English ?

Maybe I'll wait for more thoughts on this.

I'm in no hurry to wind up having to
replace an extractor block.

[gunsmith_tony]

Yeah, I've done ejector mods on countless Govt. Models. But thus far haven't found it necessary to do any similar work on my FALs, nor have I been asked to do it by any customers.
Brass from my FALO was abusing one of my alloy mounts. I just modified the mount by enlarging its port opening. Took a whole five minutes.

I know thats not what you were wanting to hear, but you wanted input from 'smiths.

[cobrasks]

Originally posted by DeanD
I have found my life a lot happier when I have shooters that I don't care about dings from brass or other cosmetic scratches, etc. I have some pretty closet queens that drive me nuts trying to keep "perfect". Kinda like having a good looking woman around that you can't do anything with...worthless. Just close your eyes and enjoy.

This ain't no safe queen !

My only problems with the ejection are that it damages the
brass to the point where they won't be reloadable ,and
the brass actually bounces up and hits the optic !

If it were only a cosmetic worry,I wouldn't bother.

I'm hitting the range today.

[cobrasks]

UPDATE !

I followed Gillie's instructions as best as I could.

I noticed a definate improvement.

I'm still getting some brass kisses,but the
brass is not damaged.

It should be reloadable,where as before it was not.

The empties are still ejecting in a manor which may make
an optic out of the question.
In part,I must also blame the mount.
I believe my ARMS does not have a wide enough
ejection port,and is snagging the brass and sending
it toward the optic.

Damn it !

I'll have to try another mount.

I was really hoping this would work.

The DSA mount will be my next try,unless I can find
a Tapco Generation III mount.

My optic is an Eotech,so it's wide on the bottom
compared to others.

I think this is a BIG YMMV .
Surplus and US parts combined ?

I think it may have made some rifles shoot perfectly.

Because of the material removed,I don't wish to file
off anymore to try to increase the effect.

I think in this case ,Ghillie had a workable idea
for some rifles.

Thanks for the posts all.

[Bangz]

For a TAPCO mount, they're made by Leapers and www.GalatiInternational.com sells them. Galati said that they will have them by the end of Sept.

link

http://www.galatiinternational.com/M...ct_Code=LEM981

[gunsmith_tony]

Originally posted by cobrasks
I must also blame the mount.
I believe my ARMS does not have a wide enough
ejection port,and is snagging the brass and sending
it toward the optic.

Why not just open the mounts ejection port a little?

[SHARPSHOOTER]

I do not know why this keeps appearing. It is a modification that does nothing to improve the performance of the rifle and in fact actually changes the way FN designed it. The fact is that had FN thought there was something wrong with the ejection they would have changed it . It works fine just as is, brass kisses on the recevier do not bother me. Also I can not help but think filing on the ejector will at some point cause a problem due to the fact that the ejector is a hardened part. I know Silly will aruge this but I still think it is a problem and further more I read the thread GP posted about the barrels Silly and you NEVER did demonstrate how GP was wrong. You actually made yourself look well Silly.

No I am not a professional Gunsmith . I have built 10 Fal Rifles to date however. All of them run without a hitch. So I must have done something right.

[Muggzy]

it works. I don't have brass kisses. Mine was already done but the angle is cut on mine just as ol ggiilliiee says to do

[cobrasks]

Originally posted by gunsmith_tony


Why not just open the mounts ejection port a little?

Because that voids the warranty .

I would have to open the port signifigantly
towards the rear and the top just to
make the port opening as large as the one
on the original dust cover.

By this time,it would definately be unreturnable,
and probably no one would buy it.

[FALs&45s]

Originally posted by SHARPSHOOTER
I have built 10 Fal Rifles to date however. All of them run without a hitch. So I must have done something right.

yeah, but the jugs man....how do they do on jugs??? tell us about the JUGS!!

[owlcreekok]

Slightly changing the angle on the ejector's face works. Yes, I learned it from Gilliie. Last time I took my Imbel on Imbel to the range I did this modification on the bench. After four gentle filing sessions, my rifle was dropping brass onto a towel directly off the RIGHT side of where my sorry ass was parked. No, this mod will not hurt your rifle. Unless of course you have a bit of trouble discerning the difference in a file and a rasp.


Y'all don't give Gillie such a hard time. Long as he stays calm, he won't piss off the Gunplumber. This is a good thing. (nobody gettin pissed) W.E.G. don't like pissin contests, all he gots is a poodle shooter, you see.




Edited so Gunnut1 will pick his panties outta the crack !
(and I won't be as embarrassed with my typos)

[Stranger]

Okay, so can someone please post giiillllliiiiieeee's directions in Engrish. His explanation on the website is less that adequate for me. C'n someone 'esplain it to me puleeeze?

Owlsy, the rasp is the one with the claw lookin' thingamajig on the back, right?

[owlcreekok]

Owlsy, the rasp is the one with the claw lookin' thingamajig on the back, right?

The VERY item !

I will take a crack at this.

Looking at the ejector as viewed from the top, ie- dust cover off the rifle, bolt and bolt carrier removed. The ejector has a vertical "face" that is parallel with the front and back of the mag well. This "face" faces FORWARD as the rifle is pointed away from you.

Wid me so far ?

(1)


Place a file (NOT the deal with the claw thingys hangin off da ass end of it and a wood hannel on da other end) FLAT against this vertical face of the ejector.

Before we begin, the face of the ejector should be square with , or perpendicular to the bore of the rifle. We are going to SLIGHTLY make the face "look" more to the left.

Keeping the file straight up and down (vertical, plumb, WTF you wanna call it) apply slight pressure to the LEFT side of the file so as to make this side of the face "go back" with material removal. We are talking one or two thousandths at a time.

WECSOG hint: Black the face with a sharpie. File stroke until you make a "bright" spot. You have removed about .001" (if you are not heavy handed)
STOP.

(2)

Re-assemble. Chamber an empty case fully into battery. Yank back on the charging handle. HARD ! Repeat this taking note of where the brass is going and the trajectory thereof. (We assume you did this before disassembly to begin with, therefore you know where it WAS throwing brass) If the brass is still spinning wildly and not going more to your immediate right consistenly, repeat (1) and (2) until it is.

DISCLAIMER: This worked for me first time. I was getting banged up brass. I reload so I want to keep brass AFTER I am able to find it. (I couldn't find it very easily) What I experienced may differ from yours. Proceed with caution. Go slow . It does not take very much change to see a visible change in how the brass is flying.


PS- a mill bastard file, 8" to 10" works. just be careful. A new one of these will cut hell outta the ejector.

[whatnow]

Really neat mod, wonder if it works on HK/Cetme's?...It should and would be cheap to try. My PTR-91 and Cetme gather dust a lot as they send the spent shell 30ft straight out to the right and hits a fellow shooter...just dont' want to go thru the embarrassment. I bring my FAL and M1A to the range instead.

Bill

[GW870]

Well Done, Owl!!
I think even I can follow this! Thank you.

GW

[BigMac]

Don't let that stop you whatnow.. I bring my mini to rain brass on guys that shoot my targets

If your not into burning thy neighbor just take the bench to the far right.

[gunnut1]

my rifle was dropping brass onto a towel directly off the port side of where my sorry ass was parked.

Off of the PORT side? That would left. Damn Hooty, was the rifle slinging the brass over the top of the rifle and dropping it on left side of the rifle?

I nned one of those!

[gunplumber]

I have been adjusting ejector length and angle in 1911s for years. It is a simple method for changing the ejection pattern. But like Gunsmith Tony, I have never felt a need, nor had a customer request it, on a FAL. I have machined the ARMS mount internal profile to correct its deficiencies, and prevent empties from bouncing back inside. I did this at the request of the ARMS manufacturer, and they (MSP) have incorporated some of my improvements. Not rocket science - DSA has it right on theirs.

Given that Ghillieslut has been so definitively wrong on just about every topic since the first day he vomited on these pages, I understand your concern. After all, when he's wrong 20 times in a row - and a pathalogical liar who can't keep his story straight from one post to the next, and can't even write a coherent sentence, how can you trust him on anything?

Others who have tweaked their ejectors have been satisfied with the results, so its probably ok. I see no need to change it.

[gunsmith_tony]

I know you don't want to void the warranty on your Arms mount. But if you like it, and want to keep it...(open the port)

[Stranger]

Originally posted by whatnow
Really neat mod, wonder if it works on HK/Cetme's?...It should and would be cheap to try. My PTR-91 and Cetme gather dust a lot as they send the spent shell 30ft straight out to the right and hits a fellow shooter...just dont' want to go thru the embarrassment. I bring my FAL and M1A to the range instead.

Bill

A port buffer is what you want to use to help a G3 or CETME, but they are rather expensive and hard to find at the moment.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by GW870
Well Done, Owl!!
I think even I can follow this! Thank you.

GW

Yes, thank you friend Owl. That is much more understandable.

[ggiilliiee]

ok ya pissed me off....vince ...tweeter ...your both just plageristic retards ...are you gonna tell me lap n polish was your idea JETER ...AND WHY DID YA CHANGE YOUR SITE NAME ????.....get a life flatlanders .jeter your a dildo with no batteries boy.its a good thing your sister is workin or your kids would be going hungry and missing their banjo lessons..not to mention their skull reduction operations....curious,,, did the guy lose his legs carrying one of your builds ..or are you just into GUYS with no legs cause your sister wont even do ya anymore? ....and gunwhacker .....you never did understand the concept of a piece of pipe needing to be parralel to the bore on each end .BEFORE YOU SCREW IT IN .(you gotta be brain dead son SERIOUSLY)....maybe you should call GM...FORD and all the other large machine shops and tell them they are wasting valuable time on line boring the engine block and everything else with a hole in it .CAUSE YOU SAY SO .(concentricity is not the name of a "police" tune...dick wad LOOK UP FIRST AND SECOND SIDE MACHINING OPERATIONS ...TELL ME WHAT YOU LEARN .
better yet explain your first second side proccess to us ....a simple hub with a hole in it ....how is it done ???.... ...YOUR NEVER GONNA GET IT CAUSE YOUR NOT A MACHINIST ...JUST AN ASSEMBLY BOY ....AND YOUR CUSTOMERS DONT ASK FOR THE SAME REASON THEY HAVE TO PAY YOU ALL THE MONEY FOR A SIMPLE SCREW TOGETHER JOB...YOU ONLY IMPRESS THE IGNORANT AND THE UNINFORMED ..everybody at our shop laughs at ya ..even the gorgeous secretary thinks your an idiot but then shes pretty and knowledgable about machining ops.. i remember when i showed her your post on the barrelthing ....she looked up with those pretty brown eyes and with a confused look said "this man is an idiot"....go figure ......... .. .... .I DO THE MACHINING PROPERLY AND HIT JUGS AT 500YDS .....YOU SAY ITS NOT NESSECERY AND HAVE TROUBLE HITTING AT 200YDS .....THINK ABOUT IT MORON ,MAYBE YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR UNQUALIFIED ATTITUDE DOWN AND DO IT THE WAY ALL THE OTHER MACHINISTS DO IT .....YA MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING.. done about 2 million pounds of nuke fuel tubes ....thats the way they want them...ENDS PARRALEL WITH THE BORE (KEEPS YOUR CITY FROM BLOWING UP) .....not your way ,,,.and it is in english ....any machinist can understand ....did ya miss you class in high school....i guess i should have gone farther with the descripton ...most foLks when ya tellthem how to go thru door understand that not only do yoU have to grab the handle ....(BUT YA GOTTA TURN IT TOO)...amazing!!!........and for the safe queen ....once again...do a thousand rounds a month replace two or three barrels (cause they were shot out ) PER YEAR and tell me about your strikes I WOULD HAVE A HOLE ERODED IN MY 8 RECIEVERs BY NOW ....you guys are not shooting enough to worry about it...weekend warriors ..........you safe queen guys dont understand cause you think 500 rounds a year at 100yds makes you a shooter ......NOT!!!
bottom line if you can open a door by yourself this wont be a problem .....and the jugs ...no hope for some of ya .....my ak shoots 400 yds .MY BEAT UP OLE MOD 94 WILL DROP YA AT 400......the fal shoots much farther ......maybe you folks that say it cant happen ....ARE JUST LOUSY SHOOTERS ....YA THINK ????...MY GIRLFRIEND CAN DO IT WHATS YOUR PROBLEM ..and shes just a petite sexy little thing ..try some practice ....and one final thing to the nay sayers .....your gonna be underwater again next year too and the year after ....ect....ect...ect.......imagine that ....duh..earth to flatlander !!!!....doesnt say much for your thinkin skills does it ...and for the rest who actually had the balls and the intelligence to do it ......i love ya man .......nice to step above the wetsac stupidity .....refrigerator magnets (TWEETERS IDEA)....true genius ....god WHAT A MO-RON you are .....he he.....and tony/crapshooter your not even worth talkin too...too ignorant (a cop and a flop).....been in the game long enough to know who the bullshitters are ...like gp...ya wouldnt last a month out here ....folks like their weapons to perform...first shot thru the last ....yours dont... yours struggle to work ...mine dont ......have a great day

[owlcreekok]

ok ya pissed me off....

It's YOUR heart rate. Especially while you are vibrating, you will be profoundly unable to know how little (we) I care.

vince ...tweeter ...your both just plageristic retards ...

Vince ? Maybe. Well, maybe a retard, but I don't think so. Plageristic ? From what I can tell, Vince (assuming you mean VMTZ) spends a lot of his time hearing and reading the same old song from the same old suspects. Then he has to mop it up when they spill it onto the floor.

Tweeter ? Moi ? Retard ? Plageristic ?

Gillie, my man. I been taking up for you (not that you asked or needed it) for some time now. I been trying to read your efforts at printed communications. In THAT endeavor, I thought I had been doing well. When I posted my interpretation of "your" procedure of ejector tuning, I truly hoped it would be flattering to you. More than that, I had hoped to help some fellow enthusiasts. What do I get for my trouble ? You throw names at me. Hell, I can take that and not sleep more than 8 to 10 hours while worried about it. You then include those I call "friend" in your diatribe. Tell ya what Mr. ggiilliiee,

Go outside and play hide and go fugk yourself. You might be able to get that done successfully. You certainly cannot express yourself in text and you are unable to play well with others.

The jig is up dude. The next time Gunplumber jerks a knot in your ass I am gonna call it a job needing done.

[cobrasks]

Nice .

Why is it that every time I start a serious thread
on any gun board,it always turns into an exchange
of profanity,homosexual/metrosexual/transexual
suggestions,and the word "DILDO" is somehow
exchanged ?

WOW !

It always also seems to involve someone that
can't quite post their message in a manor in
which I can understand their meaning.

Hmmmm,,, wait a minute .....

Well ,at least this one involved something new for me.

Discussion about a "Solar Powered Dildo" .

[dadman]

I tried giiiiilllliiiieeees mod. It worked. Not as great as I wanted to, but a difference was noticed.
Then, later down the road I adjusted the gas setting. Maybe it's just my FAL, but after you adjust your ejector, put some more gas to it and tell us your results.

I like the ggiilliiee site:
http://community-1.webtv.net/ggiilli...try/index.html
http://community-1.webtv.net/ggiilliiee/

[ggiilliiee]

owl ...not talkin to you ....how wold you take it ..im curious ...every time you say something ya got the same ole tired ass bullshit coming drected at you ....we already know this works dont we .....what the f is the problem ..do you not dial in the face and bore of a part in the lathe when you flip it to do the second side ...?????you dont get this ....????what the hell man ???? ...and gunplummer is smarter for altering a 100 dolar mount rather than fix the 2 dollar ejector ....gee ...that the most ignorant thing ive ever heard .....he just cant do it ...and what again are the 20 things i was wrong about ..GP..lets hear em ....a hole ...your like bush ....all bullshit and no facts ......at least not the real ones ..
but now back to the help ....ill try in english
cobrask ....look at your reciever put a square on the rails run the vertical up to the ejector ....ill bet the angle there is leaning back at the top of the ejector ....am i losing you yet????.....if its leaning back there as i stated clarly in the website ...its tossing them upwards on the way out ........hit a base ball below centerline with a bat ...which waydoes it travel ?????...up maybe rather than straight away ????.....let me know what ya find

[gunplumber]

perhaps, ghillieslut, if you weren't so totally and completely and unequivocably wrong on 99% of your babbling vomitus posts, people would take you seriously. Instead, you BLATANTLY LIE, you post incidiarist bullshit but havn't the guts to back any of it, and you continue to reiterate the same old drunken inanities which myself and dozens of other professionals have repeatedly discredited you in the past. And yes, It was my mistake to defend your inane ramblings when you started posting as the delusional fantasies of a young kid - that you could grow and mature with a bit of help from your betters. Alas, that is not the case - whatever contaminants are in your moonshine have done irrepartibly harm to that mush that once was a brain . . .

Adjusting ejector angle is old news. The "need" for on a fal is a personal choice.

[shootist87122]

Thanks OWL for posting the English language instructions. I'm bumping this back up since I had to search for it.

Guess I have to finally give it a try after installing a new DSA mount on a previously 100% reliable FAL. Reliability went to hell with 3 or 4 out of a hundred turning the brass ass-backwards and putting them back in the ejection port. Ejection went from near 2:00, to 1:00-5:ish; short, long and cluster-f*ck. Adjusting gas to throw 20+' helped, but is not a solution.

Without a dust cover I'm seeing a very high (manual) ejection angle, but my brass is leaving at ~4:00. Guessing I need to increase the ejectors forward angle as well as the left lean?

Anyone have a tight fitting GPG 5th Gen mount they want to part with? (Current UTG versions need not apply.

[Battleborn2002]

Hey, this is just a forum for information exchange. While differences of opinion are normal, why all the vitriol?

[Dopavash]

Check the timestamps, brosky. That all happened a very long time ago.

[Trypcil]

Don't drink and scribe!

[Right Side Up]

ghillie posted some funny stuff a long time ago.

[FLASH-HIDR]

Originally Posted by vmtz

Did you teach him about video production also?


Vince

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Given that Ghillieslut has been so definitively wrong on just about every topic since the first day he vomited on these pages, I understand your concern. After all, when he's wrong 20 times in a row - and a pathalogical liar who can't keep his story straight from one post to the next, and can't even write a coherent sentence, how can you trust him on anything?

[preston1026]

Originally Posted by Right Side Up

ghillie posted some funny stuff a long time ago.

he;s been on vacation a long time now... how about time to let him back and stir the pot, or at last give me a good laugh

[ratas calientes]

Reading this again made my day.

[shlomo]

I bet GP still ain't learned to "line-bore" a barrel, so it shoots where it looks....hehe.....

[ALL FAL]

Yeah, I would like to see Giilliiee back here, he is really funny most of the time.

GGiilliiee is excellent at fixing factory fuggups, well just about anything with any gun.