Need a recomdation for a red dot sight mount.

**Old Sarge** · June 25, 2012, 23:48

Hi All
Can anyone recomend a good mount to put a red dot optic on my SAR 1?

Thanks
Old Sarge

**gunplumber** · June 26, 2012, 08:30

ultimak rail
micro red dot (Aimpoint T1/H1)

I've used plenty and this is the setup I chose.

**brunop** · June 26, 2012, 12:10

Mark -

There must be a difference between the T1 and the H1? And why do you prefer one over the other?

**gunplumber** · June 26, 2012, 12:11

T1 has night vision settings and costs more.

NEWFNL1A1 · June 26, 2012, 14:05

Its also more water resistant.

T-1 Tactical
H-1 Hunting

I just put a T-1 on a LTR.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...=1#post3376568

Will shoot it this week sometime.

**gunplumber** · June 26, 2012, 14:16

cool - I did one for a customer on a DSA FAL mount - machined it flat and pressed in a locating pin, then screwed it directly down to the top cover. Not QD anymore, but pretty low.

AndyC · June 26, 2012, 19:16

Just bought a Texas Weapon Systems railed top-cover (Dogleg Gen2) and rear peep-sight for mine:

Stock photo from their website - I'll post pics once mine gets here. The reviews seem very positive so far - one downside that I can already see is no elevation for the peep-sight rear, but I can live with that.

R.Erichsen · June 26, 2012, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyC

Just bought a Texas Weapon Systems railed top-cover (Dogleg Gen2) and rear peep-sight for mine:

Stock photo from their website - I'll post pics once mine gets here. The reviews seem very positive so far - one downside that I can already see is no elevation for the peep-sight rear, but I can live with that.

Have you looked at the NECG adjustable weaver peep sights? They comes with a few different apertures (screw in) and are compatible with Williams apertures if you want something smaller. A better sight than the fixed aluminum jobby TWS makes, though it's $84 and change in most places that sell NECG products.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=9...uct/PEEP-SIGHT

CWizard · June 27, 2012, 05:07

I ve had the TWS also for a year now wearing my Aimpoint M3. I like it very much. Just got the rear sight so I haven't tried it yet.

AndyC · June 27, 2012, 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Erichsen

Have you looked at the NECG adjustable weaver peep sights? They comes with a few different apertures (screw in) and are compatible with Williams apertures if you want something smaller. A better sight than the fixed aluminum jobby TWS makes, though it's $84 and change in most places that sell NECG products.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=9...uct/PEEP-SIGHT

No, I hadn't seen that before - thanks for the heads-up

**olgier** · June 27, 2012, 08:11

I have one ultimak, and one midwest industries.

I'm liking the midwest better than the ultimak because the mount is not the gas tube.

**308bolt** · June 27, 2012, 09:36

I use an original Russian style side mounted scope rail and a Russian Cobra sight.
I don't like things mounted on the removable top cover or the handguard.

Timber Wolf · June 27, 2012, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Erichsen

Have you looked at the NECG adjustable weaver peep sights? They comes with a few different apertures (screw in) and are compatible with Williams apertures if you want something smaller. A better sight than the fixed aluminum jobby TWS makes, though it's $84 and change in most places that sell NECG products.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=9...uct/PEEP-SIGHT

Is it the right height, or have the right adjustment range, to work with the stock AK front? Anybody have one?

bulletslap · June 27, 2012, 13:31

XS Sights (formerly Ashley Outdooors Sights) makes a High and Low Weaver mount Rear Sight that might work.

http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=si...ghts&sID=rifle

It is at the bottom of the page linked to above.

R.Erichsen · June 28, 2012, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timber Wolf

Is it the right height, or have the right adjustment range, to work with the stock AK front? Anybody have one?

It has worked fine for me with a few twists to raise the front post. When I measured the height of the aperture in the NECG weaver sight and the TWS sight, the difference was about 1 mm. The post had no trouble compensating.

R

Ironhandjohn · June 28, 2012, 21:07

I've always wondered how those electronic sights cope with the heat given off by the hot gas tube. Seems like they would absorb a lot of heat in a very short period of time.

Since Mark uses the Ultimax rail I can assume that they are tough as hell.

Timber Wolf · June 29, 2012, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Erichsen

It has worked fine for me with a few twists to raise the front post. When I measured the height of the aperture in the NECG weaver sight and the TWS sight, the difference was about 1 mm. The post had no trouble compensating.
R

Thanks, that helps. I have an MAK90 that of course has no side mount and I would like to do something with it scope and peep wise. I have one of these http://www.tech-sights.com/ (peep only) for it but have never put it on. If I could get a nice peep and scope mount capability that would be ideal. I have an itch to run an AK in 3-Gun and think a little 1X4 mounted low on an AK would be nice.

AndyC · June 29, 2012, 23:57

TWS rail arrived today.

Went down to a buddy's place to loan him a press and he'd gotten me a Bushnell TRS-25 red-dot sight in trade for another red-dot, so we slapped that on as well. Here he is modelling the rifle:

Haven't shot it yet, but this top-cover mounts solidly - I can't get a hint of a wiggle out of it, which bodes well. Trying to get to the range this afternoon if SWMBO will let me...

AndyC · July 01, 2012, 19:08

50 yard target from today - center shots are sight-ins, then the top quadrants are FMJ and the lower quadrants are SP:

Bear in mind that, while it was shot benched, there's no magnification on the red-dot scope and the trigger has two distinct "bumps" before it breaks, which is annoying because it makes the dot move. Aside from that, I'm pretty damn pleased at how she shoots so far.

AndyC · July 07, 2012, 20:33

Best group today - shot with Tula SP at 50 yards:

Inch and a third, I guess.

bulletslap · July 07, 2012, 20:59

Why that can't be Kalashnikovs are "Inaccurate" ?

TOWS220 · July 08, 2012, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I use an original Russian style side mounted scope rail and a Russian Cobra sight.
I don't like things mounted on the removable top cover or the handguard.

I always liked the sidemount methods too, are there problems associated with them or do we just like railed covers and gas tubes becuase they are more similar to our ar's?

These have my vote, but they are kinda expensive and they have not released nearly all the models they have "planned". The acog mount would be interesting. I like that they follow the originally designed method for mounting an optic on an ak, rather than shoe-horning a new way in.

http://www.rsregulate.com/

**StG58Freak** · July 08, 2012, 15:08

The RS Regulate mount is very well made and works great. I have one with an Aimpoint. The RS mount is way better than the commie mounts.

Midwest Industries has a side mount similar to the RS Regulate mount but i think their locking mechanism is better than the RS mounts. Midwest calls theirs the MI AK 30mm Red Dot Side Mount. Check it out.

BTW: As always, i am not paid by the above mentioned companies and hold no interest in them other than they make good stuff

AndyC · July 08, 2012, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOWS220

I always liked the sidemount methods too, are there problems associated with them or do we just like railed covers and gas tubes becuase they are more similar to our ar's?

I would likely have gone for the traditional side-mount myself, but.... I forgot to buy the side-mount plate before riveting everything together.

mingthemerciles · July 10, 2012, 16:07

Is that Freddie Mercury on that poster in the backround ???

AndyC · July 10, 2012, 19:22

Another reason to rag on him

Fenris · July 18, 2012, 20:48

Anyone have any experience with the Scoutscopes mount? I just bought
one but haven't used it yet. Seems like it will be alright..

scoutscopes.com

**John Crusher** · July 19, 2012, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by mingthemerciles

Is that Freddie Mercury on that poster in the backround ???

Not sure but he's got Chuck Norris in the mirror.

**308bolt** · July 19, 2012, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOWS220

I always liked the sidemount methods too, are there problems associated with them or do we just like railed covers and gas tubes becuase they are more similar to our ar's?

I don't know why people like railed covers and other mounts that are prone to movement or that eliminate the front sight. It took me many builds and a lot of mental adjustment to understand where the Russians where coming from with the AK design. The sidemount scope fits their design philosophy perfectly.
To me the other stuff is just pop. Insubstantial but fills the current paradigm.

AndyC · July 21, 2012, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I don't know why people like railed covers and other mounts that are prone to movement or that eliminate the front sight.

Mine doesn't do either that I can sense - as long as it's tighter than whatever accuracy the rifle's capable of, no harm done.

Insider · July 22, 2012, 05:07

I like this red dot on the SAR

June 25, 2012, 23:48	#1
Old Sarge Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 3030 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 1,095	Need a recomdation for a red dot sight mount. Hi All Can anyone recomend a good mount to put a red dot optic on my SAR 1? Thanks Old Sarge __________________ From the Book of Eli: "People had more than they needed. We had no idea what was precious and what wasn't. We threw away things people kill each other for now."

June 26, 2012, 08:30	#2
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,783	ultimak rail micro red dot (Aimpoint T1/H1) I've used plenty and this is the setup I chose. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

June 26, 2012, 12:10	#3
brunop Refresh Key Masher Platinum Contributor FALaholic #: 17136 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: oregon Posts: 6,494	Mark - There must be a difference between the T1 and the H1? And why do you prefer one over the other? __________________ "I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson "The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

June 26, 2012, 12:11	#4
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,783	T1 has night vision settings and costs more. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

June 26, 2012, 14:05	#5
NEWFNL1A1 Out standing in his field Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 43401 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tx Posts: 3,214	T-1 Its also more water resistant. T-1 Tactical H-1 Hunting I just put a T-1 on a LTR. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...=1#post3376568 Will shoot it this week sometime. __________________ Neo-Luddite - Traigo Mi Cuarenta y Cinco - Inch Guy I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many hours on Call of Duty.

June 26, 2012, 14:16	#6
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,783	cool - I did one for a customer on a DSA FAL mount - machined it flat and pressed in a locating pin, then screwed it directly down to the top cover. Not QD anymore, but pretty low. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

June 26, 2012, 19:16	#7
AndyC Porridge Wog Contributor FALaholic #: 19755 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Euless, TX Posts: 11,061	Just bought a Texas Weapon Systems railed top-cover (Dogleg Gen2) and rear peep-sight for mine: Stock photo from their website - I'll post pics once mine gets here. The reviews seem very positive so far - one downside that I can already see is no elevation for the peep-sight rear, but I can live with that. __________________ My Iraq Pics Preferred Travel Agent - 72 Virgins Dating Club

June 27, 2012, 05:07	#9
CWizard Registered FALaholic #: 33006 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MO by way of PA Posts: 192	I ve had the TWS also for a year now wearing my Aimpoint M3. I like it very much. Just got the rear sight so I haven't tried it yet. __________________ I'm a Marxist - Groucho, Chico and Harpo

June 27, 2012, 08:11	#11
olgier Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 17951 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: maine Posts: 2,685	I have one ultimak, and one midwest industries. I'm liking the midwest better than the ultimak because the mount is not the gas tube.

June 27, 2012, 09:36	#12
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,030	I use an original Russian style side mounted scope rail and a Russian Cobra sight. I don't like things mounted on the removable top cover or the handguard. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

June 27, 2012, 13:31	#14
bulletslap Registered FALaholic #: 8042 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 501	XS Sights (formerly Ashley Outdooors Sights) makes a High and Low Weaver mount Rear Sight that might work. http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=si...ghts&sID=rifle It is at the bottom of the page linked to above. __________________ I've been kicked by the wind, robbed by the sleet Had my head stoved in, but I'm still on my feet and I'm still... willin' Last edited by bulletslap; June 27, 2012 at 16:46.

June 28, 2012, 21:07	#16
Ironhandjohn Registered FALaholic #: 11561 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 1187 Hundertwasser Posts: 2,351	I've always wondered how those electronic sights cope with the heat given off by the hot gas tube. Seems like they would absorb a lot of heat in a very short period of time. Since Mark uses the Ultimax rail I can assume that they are tough as hell. __________________ Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it... is a VERY bad idea!!

June 29, 2012, 23:57	#18
AndyC Porridge Wog Contributor FALaholic #: 19755 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Euless, TX Posts: 11,061	TWS rail arrived today. Went down to a buddy's place to loan him a press and he'd gotten me a Bushnell TRS-25 red-dot sight in trade for another red-dot, so we slapped that on as well. Here he is modelling the rifle: Haven't shot it yet, but this top-cover mounts solidly - I can't get a hint of a wiggle out of it, which bodes well. Trying to get to the range this afternoon if SWMBO will let me... __________________ My Iraq Pics Preferred Travel Agent - 72 Virgins Dating Club Last edited by AndyC; June 30, 2012 at 11:43.

July 01, 2012, 19:08	#19
AndyC Porridge Wog Contributor FALaholic #: 19755 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Euless, TX Posts: 11,061	50 yard target from today - center shots are sight-ins, then the top quadrants are FMJ and the lower quadrants are SP: Bear in mind that, while it was shot benched, there's no magnification on the red-dot scope and the trigger has two distinct "bumps" before it breaks, which is annoying because it makes the dot move. Aside from that, I'm pretty damn pleased at how she shoots so far. __________________ My Iraq Pics Preferred Travel Agent - 72 Virgins Dating Club

July 07, 2012, 20:33	#20
AndyC Porridge Wog Contributor FALaholic #: 19755 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Euless, TX Posts: 11,061	Best group today - shot with Tula SP at 50 yards: Inch and a third, I guess. __________________ My Iraq Pics Preferred Travel Agent - 72 Virgins Dating Club

July 07, 2012, 20:59	#21
bulletslap Registered FALaholic #: 8042 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 501	Why that can't be Kalashnikovs are "Inaccurate" ? __________________ I've been kicked by the wind, robbed by the sleet Had my head stoved in, but I'm still on my feet and I'm still... willin'

July 08, 2012, 15:08	#23
StG58Freak banned Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 21043 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Behind You. Posts: 2,332	The RS Regulate mount is very well made and works great. I have one with an Aimpoint. The RS mount is way better than the commie mounts. Midwest Industries has a side mount similar to the RS Regulate mount but i think their locking mechanism is better than the RS mounts. Midwest calls theirs the MI AK 30mm Red Dot Side Mount. Check it out. BTW: As always, i am not paid by the above mentioned companies and hold no interest in them other than they make good stuff

July 10, 2012, 16:07	#25
mingthemerciles Registered FALaholic #: 65967 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Incirlik Turkey Posts: 110	Is that Freddie Mercury on that poster in the backround ???

July 10, 2012, 19:22	#26
AndyC Porridge Wog Contributor FALaholic #: 19755 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Euless, TX Posts: 11,061	Another reason to rag on him __________________ My Iraq Pics Preferred Travel Agent - 72 Virgins Dating Club

July 18, 2012, 20:48	#27
Fenris Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 2319 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ellensburg,WA. Posts: 64	Anyone have any experience with the Scoutscopes mount? I just bought one but haven't used it yet. Seems like it will be alright.. scoutscopes.com

July 22, 2012, 05:07	#31
Insider Registered FALaholic #: 1183 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central florida Posts: 778	I like this red dot on the SAR __________________ I sold all my guns and ammo and now live the quiet retired life!

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