Guys P.O. Won't Accept Rifle. Arrgghh!!

gman · June 03, 2012, 22:48

I bid on a near excellent condition P-14 Enfield, Winchester (har-har-har), but guy emails me to tell me FEDEX wants $98(!!!) to send it and I KNOW Priority will be less spendy, but guy told me his P.O. won't accept from individuals.

What is a collector to do!

I sent him the website addys for the P.O. regs and also the BATF's, hopefully he will be able to edumicate his Postmaster. If not...I don't know if I am willing to pay 1/4 of the cost of the rifle added on just for shipping. And the killer: FEDEX has no reps here in this tiny 'burg, so when it gets to Anchorage, they'll mail it to me via the P.O.! AAARRRggggghhh!

EinheitElf · June 04, 2012, 00:34

I say he should go to another PO location..... best of luck and I hope it reaches you safely...

I NEVER tell them what it is if it is firearm parts..I just insure it and make sure I have a invoice of some sort in case i need to claim a loss.... AFAIK-- IF THE RIFLE IS BROKEN DOWN then there is supposed to be NO issues...

That sucks... again best of luck...

**Stoney** · June 04, 2012, 08:19

pull the bolt and its just machine parts, send the bolt seperate

**W.E.G.** · June 04, 2012, 09:24

What manner of shipment did the seller promise in the contract?

Gazz · June 04, 2012, 09:59

It is legal for the PO to ship long guns to an FFL from an individual. Some of the clerks are not aware of that though. I once had an argument with a PO clerk when I tried to ship a reproduction musket, not even a firearm by federal law. He asked what was in the box since it was so long (which is against postal regulations -they can only ask liquid, perishable hazardous etc. - and I told him. Poor idiot just about had a cow so I told him to go look it up in the regs himself or get a supervisor. It took about a half hour for him to come back and he reluctantly took the package. I then reminded him that he is not supposed to ask me about what specifically is in the box and he repeated the liquid, perishable, hazardous line. So either have the seller go to another PO or demand that the clerk look up the regulations while he waits. Or even have him bring a copy of the regs with him.

Sperzuki · June 04, 2012, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Gazz

It is legal for the PO to ship long guns to an FFL from an individual. Some of the clerks are not aware of that though. I once had an argument with a PO clerk when I tried to ship a reproduction musket, not even a firearm by federal law. He asked what was in the box since it was so long (which is against postal regulations -they can only ask liquid, perishable hazardous etc. - and I told him. Poor idiot just about had a cow so I told him to go look it up in the regs himself or get a supervisor. It took about a half hour for him to come back and he reluctantly took the package. I then reminded him that he is not supposed to ask me about what specifically is in the box and he repeated the liquid, perishable, hazardous line. So either have the seller go to another PO or demand that the clerk look up the regulations while he waits. Or even have him bring a copy of the regs with him.

Yesss!!!

Illurian00 · June 04, 2012, 14:23

I just plain lie. The clerks at my little local PO all know I'm lieing,,,and life goes on.

Just tell him to solve the problem w/o running to his girlfriends.

**2barearms** · June 04, 2012, 15:43

Most states you can even ship door to door in the same state. I would ask
before doing it though.

**harleyrider** · June 05, 2012, 19:52

It's totally legal to ship long guns through the USPS as a non-FFL citizen. He needs to print out the regs from USPS website and bring it with him if they give him shit. He may need to show the FFL paperwork to prove he's sending it to an FFL. Also, the package needs to be plain and NOT have any markings or writing to indicate that it is a firearm. The firearm DOES NOT have to be disassembled and you don't even have to tell the USPS counter persons that it's a gun. I've sent dozens of long guns through the mail and never had any problems. I refuse to use Fedex or UPS because they are for the most parts dicks and generally cost a lot more.

HR

**Vaughn L. Allen** · June 05, 2012, 20:28

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Originally Posted by harleyrider

It's totally legal to ship long guns through the USPS as a non-FFL citizen. He needs to print out the regs from USPS website and bring it with him if they give him shit. He may need to show the FFL paperwork to prove he's sending it to an FFL. Also, the package needs to be plain and NOT have any markings or writing to indicate that it is a firearm. The firearm DOES NOT have to be disassembled and you don't even have to tell the USPS counter persons that it's a gun. I've sent dozens of long guns through the mail and never had any problems. I refuse to use Fedex or UPS because they are for the most parts dicks and generally cost a lot more.

HR

+1

almostfree · June 06, 2012, 17:47

I have shipped my rifle to myself through USPS frequently. I have had to argue to some degree with every post office location I have been to with the exception of Eagle River, AK (where they didn't bat an eye lash but immediately suggested insurance). I don't think most postal employees have been properly trained in firearms mailing regulations, and I have had to show the proper regs to the postmaster of more than one post office. Despite all of this trouble, I have found that by being politely insistent and quoting their own regulations to them, I have never had to walk out with my rifle.

**palmettomoon** · June 06, 2012, 20:18

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Originally Posted by almostfree

...I have found that by being politely insistent and quoting their own regulations to them....

I should have charged a consulting fee to every Post Office location in Chicago (when I lived there) from which I mailed packages overseas. It is absolutely amazing that the clerks know so little, or act as if they know little about their very livelihood. They are like most other Gobmint employeeeees AND like water, will always find the course of least resistance.

gunner30 · June 06, 2012, 20:33

Here's a link to the postal DMM (domestic mail manual) regarding shipping rifles thru the mail

http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

gunner the helpful USPS employee

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · June 09, 2012, 19:30

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Originally Posted by W.E.G.

What manner of shipment did the seller promise in the contract?

Pertinent question.

dondone · June 13, 2012, 04:57

Next time tell him it's pool cues.

**MajHenryWest** · June 15, 2012, 17:58

I wonder if the $98.00 quote is next day or second day air? Or perhaps higher charges from a FedEx affiliate like the Kinkos centers?

I have shipped rifles coast to coast, using UPS ground service and even with full insurance and the adult signature fee it has never cost more than $35.00
(from a UPS Depot/Hub).

**gobbler** · June 16, 2012, 10:12

They should not ask you what it is, only if it is hazardous, liquid, flamable, etc. The only time you should tell them if it is a firearm is if shipping a pistol.....then you have to because you have to give them the form shipping a pistol that your FFL has to provide. FEDEX & UPS is a different story

gobbler

gman · June 16, 2012, 11:20

Okay, I won the rifle and can't wait to get it. Now to the shipping question.

If you send me an item via FEDEX, once it reaches Anchorage it will be plastered with Priority Mail tape and stickers, then someone'll run it across the street (really), to be mailed out to me. FEDEX doesn't have reps in the small Bush towns.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but there are some post offices that just won't accept firearms. I had to educate the folks working here. I printed the BATF and Post Office regs for the post master to read. To lighten up the mood, I also pointed out the ambiguity of how the regs seem to point the finger at each other, inter-departmental rivalry and all that. But since then, some even ask me what kind of rifle I am picking up!

I gave the seller the web addresses of both BATF and PO for the exact regs suggested politely he use another post office. Looks like he has done that. I have to get to the bank this morning to get a cashiers check and get it out the door.

For your viewing pleasure:

**skeeterbay** · June 16, 2012, 20:41

Nice looking rifle. I have a couple of Remington 17's but no 14

gman · June 17, 2012, 00:30

Thanks, I am really looking to try out the .303 cartridge this winter on caribou. I know the Lee-Enfield is limited by the design of the action, the P-14/17 definitely are not. I do not see why they cannot be loaded higher for a stronger action. Not that I am going to throw a handfull of 4831 into a case to see what comes out, but 2500fps with a 174 grain pill out of a near 25" barrel is pretty pathetic. I also bought a box of vintage Remington ammo with 215 grain round nosed bullets so I can fire three or so to get an average over my chronograph.

It will be fun.

**skeeterbay** · June 17, 2012, 11:15

Never used the 303 for hunting, but the Canadians sure have and with good results. As you well know it's taken everything including polar bears up that way. I am sure plenty of British soldiers did a little hunting on the side. Just think of all the African game that caliber has taken over the years. I don't see any issues with taking caribou with a 303 as long as it's within range. When I lived up there a hunting buddy of mine used a 308 for most all of his hunting including caribou. The smallest thing I ever used was a Garand.

**gunplumber** · June 17, 2012, 11:31

I charge $35 to ship a rifle - it is a flat rate and last year's average retail cost for me to ship a 20# box with $1500 insurance by FedEx ground anywhere in the country. Sure, a guy in Tucson receiving an AK will be paying more than his fair share, and a guy in Florida receiving an Izzy FALO will be paying less than his fair share, but using a flat rate means my overhead is lower and I don't have to charge a handling fee to cover the increased labor of pricing everyone individually. Point is, that rarely are my rifle shipping bills lower than $25 or higher than $45, with $35 being a pretty solid average and I suspect anyone charging significantly more is not shipping in an efficient manner.,

USPS rates are generally twice that, once one factors in their significantly higher insurance rates. The registered mail rates are lower, but hand-delivering and special taping of the box may make it inconvenient.

G3isMe · June 17, 2012, 13:25

I have a C&R and I always use UPS and never had a problem plus I think their tracking system is the best. I've had nothing but trouble using the Post Office.

paul fowler · June 17, 2012, 17:08

The BATF is actually the final word on shipping firearms, NOT the USPS. I have had a few rows with clerks who were ignorant of the law as well. Being a C&R holder myself it has been necessary from time to time to educate them about the law.

TideWater 41009 · June 17, 2012, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Stoney

pull the bolt and its just machine parts, send the bolt seperate

Not true. The receiver is still considered a firearm.

**gunplumber** · June 17, 2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by TideWater 41009

Not true. The receiver is still considered a firearm.

Under federal law, not USPS shipping regulations - do not get them confused - they define things differently. A firearm receiver or frame by itself is a firearm under title 18 and 27 CFR but NOT under the postal regulation for how it must be shipped.

jjjxlr8 · June 19, 2012, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by G3isMe

I have a C&R and I always use UPS and never had a problem plus I think their tracking system is the best. I've had nothing but trouble using the Post Office.

This.

I always go to the main hub and it's hassle free to ship firearms and ammo.

**Story** · June 20, 2012, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by dondone

Next time tell him it's pool cues.

"Curtain rods"

**Story** · June 20, 2012, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by gman

Thanks, I am really looking to try out the .303 cartridge this winter on caribou. I know the Lee-Enfield is limited by the design of the action, the P-14/17 definitely are not. I do not see why they cannot be loaded higher for a stronger action.

The P14/P17 has been sported to handle belted magnum rounds, so a properly loaded 215 grain .303 will be fine.

Here, have a link. Follow the helpful Caribouii.

http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm

.303 British (.311 dia.)

Spitzers
125 grains x .035 SPZ........$37.00 c3
180 grains x .035 SPZ........$39.00
215 grains x .035 SPZ........$40.50 <-

Round Tips
180 grains x .030 RT..........$37.00 c3
215 grains x .030 RT..........$39.00 c3 <-

TideWater 41009 · June 20, 2012, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Under federal law, not USPS shipping regulations - do not get them confused - they define things differently. A firearm receiver or frame by itself is a firearm under title 18 and 27 CFR but NOT under the postal regulation for how it must be shipped.

That's a new one on me. Thank you for the correction.

**moses** · June 20, 2012, 22:54

jjjxlr8, pretty sure you CANNOT send ammo USPS!

gman · June 21, 2012, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Story

The P14/P17 has been sported to handle belted magnum rounds, so a properly loaded 215 grain .303 will be fine.

Here, have a link. Follow the helpful Caribouii.

http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm

.303 British (.311 dia.)

Spitzers
125 grains x .035 SPZ........$37.00 c3
180 grains x .035 SPZ........$39.00
215 grains x .035 SPZ........$40.50 <-

Round Tips
180 grains x .030 RT..........$37.00 c3
215 grains x .030 RT..........$39.00 c3 <-

I have a box of original Remington .303 with 215 grainers coming to fire five rounds over my Oehler 35P. This will give me a average to load for. I won't go higher than what I average.

Insider · June 22, 2012, 05:08

You cannot send any Hazmat USPS, but you can send a long gun.
There cannot be any labeling on the outside of the box indicating a firearm.
You cannot send ammo USPS-Hazmat!
You cannot send a handgun USPS, must be sent overnight UPS.
Postal clerk cannot ask you if its a firearm, only a prohibited item.

I know because I had a mail-order business, and a C&R FFL, you learn very quickly what you can and cannot send. When in doubt, carry a print out of a copy of their regulations, and ask to speak to a manger if the clerk gives you a hard time. Also, bring a copy of the FFL your shipping the firearm to, that will save you a lot of hassle.

**gunplumber** · June 22, 2012, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Insider

Y
You cannot send a handgun USPS

only partially true. Handguns by USPS must be from a licensee to a licensee with a postal form 1508 filled out (although they have no system for what to do with the form once filled out).

A "handgun" has a different definition under USPS regs than federal law - for exmple an Uzi, Krinkov, or MP5 is a "hangun" as it can be "concealed on the person"

Insider · June 26, 2012, 03:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunplumber

only partially true. Handguns by USPS must be from a licensee to a licensee with a postal form 1508 filled out (although they have no system for what to do with the form once filled out).

A "handgun" has a different definition under USPS regs than federal law - for exmple an Uzi, Krinkov, or MP5 is a "hangun" as it can be "concealed on the person"

I meant to say a private individual can't send a handgun through the PO.

gunnut1 · August 19, 2012, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul fowler

The BATF is actually the final word on shipping firearms, NOT the USPS. I have had a few rows with clerks who were ignorant of the law as well. Being a C&R holder myself it has been necessary from time to time to educate them about the law.

Not true. The BATF does not care how the firearms gets from point a to point b as long as it is legal.

The regulations of the carrier are the governing factor. You cannot ship a handgun via the Post office unless you are a FFL. But you can ship a handgun via UPS or FED Ex. Long guns can be shiped via any carrier. In some states, you can ship a long gun from an individual to an individual.
An individual can ship a gun to a gunsmith or manufacturer and the gunsmith of manufacutrer can ship it directly back to the individual.

d_s · August 19, 2012, 15:23

everytime I ship a rifle from my PO, I bring a copy of section 432.1 from their rule book to settle any arguments. Or, you can hand them a copy of the receiving dealers FFL and state that hey, im a licensed dealer,,,, no kidding, it worked for me once

**big44man** · August 20, 2012, 20:51

Knew a fellow a year or two back who sent a SiG P-6 handgun from Virginia to Florida by just packing it in a small priority mail box, paid the $5 or so postage, and dropped it in the box at the Post Office. He says it got there just fine. Could have caught a bunch of grief, tho.

Orlando8 · August 21, 2012, 14:52

I cannot understand why people have issues shipping USPS.
Its really very simple, box it up, take to PO, Ship Priority Mail Insured signature, pay and walk out the door
You DO NOT need to tell them its a long gun, it all perfectly legal. Stop making it hard on yourself dealing with uninformed clerks

gunnut1 · August 21, 2012, 16:27

And be sure to send it certified. Or if you are really paranod that it won't go where it should, send it registered. Registered is total accountability. That is absolutly the most secure way to ship anything legal at the PO.

Timber Wolf · August 23, 2012, 10:50

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Originally Posted by big44man

Knew a fellow a year or two back who sent a SiG P-6 handgun from Virginia to Florida by just packing it in a small priority mail box, paid the $5 or so postage, and dropped it in the box at the Post Office. He says it got there just fine. Could have caught a bunch of grief, tho.

I won a nice Colt Agent off GB last year. The jerk seller charged $35 shipping and then tossed it in a $4.95 flat rate box with some wadded up newspaper and mailed it to my FFL. It came broke open with the grip hanging out of the box. I was pretty POed that for that kind of money they did not do a better job of packing my pistola.

June 03, 2012, 22:48	#1
gman Registered FALaholic #: 1176 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Great Frozen North Posts: 2,742	Guys P.O. Won't Accept Rifle. Arrgghh!! I bid on a near excellent condition P-14 Enfield, Winchester (har-har-har), but guy emails me to tell me FEDEX wants $98(!!!) to send it and I KNOW Priority will be less spendy, but guy told me his P.O. won't accept from individuals. What is a collector to do! I sent him the website addys for the P.O. regs and also the BATF's, hopefully he will be able to edumicate his Postmaster. If not...I don't know if I am willing to pay 1/4 of the cost of the rifle added on just for shipping. And the killer: FEDEX has no reps here in this tiny 'burg, so when it gets to Anchorage, they'll mail it to me via the P.O.! AAARRRggggghhh! __________________ ******************************** You can piddle with the puppies, or run with the wolves... Better living through chemistry.

June 04, 2012, 00:34	#2
EinheitElf Registered FALaholic #: 21533 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kommiefornia Posts: 2,182	I say he should go to another PO location..... best of luck and I hope it reaches you safely... I NEVER tell them what it is if it is firearm parts..I just insure it and make sure I have a invoice of some sort in case i need to claim a loss.... AFAIK-- IF THE RIFLE IS BROKEN DOWN then there is supposed to be NO issues... That sucks... again best of luck... __________________ http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ue_stealth.gif

June 04, 2012, 08:19	#3
Stoney Former 0311 Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1205 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brush Prairie, WA USA Posts: 3,331	pull the bolt and its just machine parts, send the bolt seperate __________________ Stoney Bureaucracy,, taking the fun out of life one stupid rule at a time,,,, Old Viking saying: Never be more then two steps from your weapon Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading. - Thomas Jefferson

June 04, 2012, 09:24	#4
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,055	What manner of shipment did the seller promise in the contract? __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

June 04, 2012, 09:59	#5
Gazz Registered FALaholic #: 15159 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NH Posts: 1,935	It is legal for the PO to ship long guns to an FFL from an individual. Some of the clerks are not aware of that though. I once had an argument with a PO clerk when I tried to ship a reproduction musket, not even a firearm by federal law. He asked what was in the box since it was so long (which is against postal regulations -they can only ask liquid, perishable hazardous etc. - and I told him. Poor idiot just about had a cow so I told him to go look it up in the regs himself or get a supervisor. It took about a half hour for him to come back and he reluctantly took the package. I then reminded him that he is not supposed to ask me about what specifically is in the box and he repeated the liquid, perishable, hazardous line. So either have the seller go to another PO or demand that the clerk look up the regulations while he waits. Or even have him bring a copy of the regs with him. __________________ Gazz

June 04, 2012, 14:23	#7
Illurian00 Registered FALaholic #: 28599 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,411	I just plain lie. The clerks at my little local PO all know I'm lieing,,,and life goes on. Just tell him to solve the problem w/o running to his girlfriends.

June 04, 2012, 15:43	#8
2barearms 3 Percent Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13866 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 8,656	Most states you can even ship door to door in the same state. I would ask before doing it though. __________________ "Owning a Firearm doesn't make you Armed any more than owning a Guitar makes you a Musician" Was mich nicht umbringt macht mich stärker

June 05, 2012, 19:52	#9
harleyrider Out of quarters.... Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 55746 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,760	It's totally legal to ship long guns through the USPS as a non-FFL citizen. He needs to print out the regs from USPS website and bring it with him if they give him shit. He may need to show the FFL paperwork to prove he's sending it to an FFL. Also, the package needs to be plain and NOT have any markings or writing to indicate that it is a firearm. The firearm DOES NOT have to be disassembled and you don't even have to tell the USPS counter persons that it's a gun. I've sent dozens of long guns through the mail and never had any problems. I refuse to use Fedex or UPS because they are for the most parts dicks and generally cost a lot more. HR __________________ What the HELL is he building in there?

June 06, 2012, 17:47	#11
almostfree Registered FALaholic #: 65858 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: TX Posts: 27	I have shipped my rifle to myself through USPS frequently. I have had to argue to some degree with every post office location I have been to with the exception of Eagle River, AK (where they didn't bat an eye lash but immediately suggested insurance). I don't think most postal employees have been properly trained in firearms mailing regulations, and I have had to show the proper regs to the postmaster of more than one post office. Despite all of this trouble, I have found that by being politely insistent and quoting their own regulations to them, I have never had to walk out with my rifle.

June 06, 2012, 20:33	#13
gunner30 Registered FALaholic #: 22242 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,278	Here's a link to the postal DMM (domestic mail manual) regarding shipping rifles thru the mail http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm gunner the helpful USPS employee __________________ Lighten up Francis

June 13, 2012, 04:57	#15
dondone Registered FALaholic #: 66494 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Northern Arizona Posts: 16	Next time tell him it's pool cues.

June 15, 2012, 17:58	#16
MajHenryWest Senior Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11906 Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 656	Shipping Long Guns I wonder if the $98.00 quote is next day or second day air? Or perhaps higher charges from a FedEx affiliate like the Kinkos centers? I have shipped rifles coast to coast, using UPS ground service and even with full insurance and the adult signature fee it has never cost more than $35.00 (from a UPS Depot/Hub). __________________ ****************************** "Steel is Strong because it Knows the Hammer and White Heat." - Johnny Cash, These Things Shall Pass

June 16, 2012, 10:12	#17
gobbler Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44154 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 2,751	They should not ask you what it is, only if it is hazardous, liquid, flamable, etc. The only time you should tell them if it is a firearm is if shipping a pistol.....then you have to because you have to give them the form shipping a pistol that your FFL has to provide. FEDEX & UPS is a different story gobbler

June 16, 2012, 11:20	#18
gman Registered FALaholic #: 1176 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Great Frozen North Posts: 2,742	Okay, I won the rifle and can't wait to get it. Now to the shipping question. If you send me an item via FEDEX, once it reaches Anchorage it will be plastered with Priority Mail tape and stickers, then someone'll run it across the street (really), to be mailed out to me. FEDEX doesn't have reps in the small Bush towns. I know I am preaching to the choir here, but there are some post offices that just won't accept firearms. I had to educate the folks working here. I printed the BATF and Post Office regs for the post master to read. To lighten up the mood, I also pointed out the ambiguity of how the regs seem to point the finger at each other, inter-departmental rivalry and all that. But since then, some even ask me what kind of rifle I am picking up! I gave the seller the web addresses of both BATF and PO for the exact regs suggested politely he use another post office. Looks like he has done that. I have to get to the bank this morning to get a cashiers check and get it out the door. For your viewing pleasure: __________________ ******************************** You can piddle with the puppies, or run with the wolves... Better living through chemistry.

June 16, 2012, 20:41	#19
skeeterbay Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 20461 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,772	Nice looking rifle. I have a couple of Remington 17's but no 14 __________________ 'S Rioghal 'Mo Dhream Ard Choille!

June 17, 2012, 00:30	#20
gman Registered FALaholic #: 1176 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Great Frozen North Posts: 2,742	Thanks, I am really looking to try out the .303 cartridge this winter on caribou. I know the Lee-Enfield is limited by the design of the action, the P-14/17 definitely are not. I do not see why they cannot be loaded higher for a stronger action. Not that I am going to throw a handfull of 4831 into a case to see what comes out, but 2500fps with a 174 grain pill out of a near 25" barrel is pretty pathetic. I also bought a box of vintage Remington ammo with 215 grain round nosed bullets so I can fire three or so to get an average over my chronograph. It will be fun. __________________ ******************************** You can piddle with the puppies, or run with the wolves... Better living through chemistry.

June 17, 2012, 11:15	#21
skeeterbay Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 20461 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,772	Never used the 303 for hunting, but the Canadians sure have and with good results. As you well know it's taken everything including polar bears up that way. I am sure plenty of British soldiers did a little hunting on the side. Just think of all the African game that caliber has taken over the years. I don't see any issues with taking caribou with a 303 as long as it's within range. When I lived up there a hunting buddy of mine used a 308 for most all of his hunting including caribou. The smallest thing I ever used was a Garand. __________________ 'S Rioghal 'Mo Dhream Ard Choille!

June 17, 2012, 11:31	#22
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,765	I charge $35 to ship a rifle - it is a flat rate and last year's average retail cost for me to ship a 20# box with $1500 insurance by FedEx ground anywhere in the country. Sure, a guy in Tucson receiving an AK will be paying more than his fair share, and a guy in Florida receiving an Izzy FALO will be paying less than his fair share, but using a flat rate means my overhead is lower and I don't have to charge a handling fee to cover the increased labor of pricing everyone individually. Point is, that rarely are my rifle shipping bills lower than $25 or higher than $45, with $35 being a pretty solid average and I suspect anyone charging significantly more is not shipping in an efficient manner., USPS rates are generally twice that, once one factors in their significantly higher insurance rates. The registered mail rates are lower, but hand-delivering and special taping of the box may make it inconvenient. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

June 17, 2012, 13:25	#23
G3isMe Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6530 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,752	I have a C&R and I always use UPS and never had a problem plus I think their tracking system is the best. I've had nothing but trouble using the Post Office. __________________ "I believe that time wounds all heels" ----John Lennon

June 17, 2012, 17:08	#24
paul fowler Registered FALaholic #: 38493 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: west virginia Posts: 36	The BATF is actually the final word on shipping firearms, NOT the USPS. I have had a few rows with clerks who were ignorant of the law as well. Being a C&R holder myself it has been necessary from time to time to educate them about the law.

June 20, 2012, 22:54	#31
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,474	jjjxlr8, pretty sure you CANNOT send ammo USPS! __________________ . Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2013, March 9th, May 26th(Sunday), Sept. 14th & Nov. 9th AKA "8.47"

June 22, 2012, 05:08	#33
Insider Registered FALaholic #: 1183 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central florida Posts: 778	You cannot send any Hazmat USPS, but you can send a long gun. There cannot be any labeling on the outside of the box indicating a firearm. You cannot send ammo USPS-Hazmat! You cannot send a handgun USPS, must be sent overnight UPS. Postal clerk cannot ask you if its a firearm, only a prohibited item. I know because I had a mail-order business, and a C&R FFL, you learn very quickly what you can and cannot send. When in doubt, carry a print out of a copy of their regulations, and ask to speak to a manger if the clerk gives you a hard time. Also, bring a copy of the FFL your shipping the firearm to, that will save you a lot of hassle. __________________ I sold all my guns and ammo and now live the quiet retired life!

August 19, 2012, 15:23	#37
d_s Registered FALaholic #: 5575 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 707	everytime I ship a rifle from my PO, I bring a copy of section 432.1 from their rule book to settle any arguments. Or, you can hand them a copy of the receiving dealers FFL and state that hey, im a licensed dealer,,,, no kidding, it worked for me once

August 20, 2012, 20:51	#38
big44man No longer lonesome Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44868 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Virginia Beach VA Posts: 424	Knew a fellow a year or two back who sent a SiG P-6 handgun from Virginia to Florida by just packing it in a small priority mail box, paid the $5 or so postage, and dropped it in the box at the Post Office. He says it got there just fine. Could have caught a bunch of grief, tho. __________________ Government is like salt. A small amount is necessary, but as the amount grows, it becomes increasingly bitter, and will eventually kill you. NRA Instructor Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun. CCW Instructor.

August 21, 2012, 14:52	#39
Orlando8 Registered FALaholic #: 38748 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 132	I cannot understand why people have issues shipping USPS. Its really very simple, box it up, take to PO, Ship Priority Mail Insured signature, pay and walk out the door You DO NOT need to tell them its a long gun, it all perfectly legal. Stop making it hard on yourself dealing with uninformed clerks

August 21, 2012, 16:27	#40
gunnut1 Moderator Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 1877 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The great Republic of Texas USA!!!!! Posts: 10,429	And be sure to send it certified. Or if you are really paranod that it won't go where it should, send it registered. Registered is total accountability. That is absolutly the most secure way to ship anything legal at the PO. __________________ Texas, it's a state of mind!!!! The human race is not the pinnacle of evolution. We are but one evolutionary out come.

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