VERY Interesting Take...Can't believe this NEVER occurred to me

[Stoney]

A LAWYER WITH A BRIEFCASE CAN STEAL MORE THAN A THOUSAND MEN WITH GUNS.

This is very interesting! I never thought about it this way.

The Lawyers' Party, By Bruce Walker

The Democratic Party has become the Lawyers Party.

Barack Obama is a lawyer. Michelle Obama is a lawyer.

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. Bill Clinton is a lawyer.

John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards was a lawyer.

Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).

Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.

Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:

Harry Reid is a lawyer. Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.

The Republican Party is different.

President Bush is a businessman.

Vice President Cheney is a businessman.

The leaders of the Republican Revolution:

Newt Gingrich was a history professor.

Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.

Speaker of the House John Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.

The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.

Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976.

The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.

The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, likeFrist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies ofAmerica .. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, grow.

Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail?....Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side.

Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become adverse parties of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.

Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big.

When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.

Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.

The United States has 5% of the world’s population and 66% of the world’s lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97%of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high!

[EPC WN]

Who is John Galt?

I need one of those golden dollar cigarettes as I ponder the implications of today's transpiring...

You sir are most pointedly on point!

[SWOHFAL]

Help may soon be at hand:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/0...0000-per-year/

No wonder DABTL put his office behind a fast-food joint - he may have to go moonlight to earn more money.

[Thorack]

Hey,

Don't kid yourself, last time I checked upwards of 70% of Congressmen, both House and Senate had law degrees. Most are lawyers even on the Rethuglican side. It's almost an unwritten requirement to be a law maker that you need a law degree.

Thorack

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by Thorack

Hey,

Don't kid yourself, last time I checked upwards of 70% of Congressmen, both House and Senate had law degrees. Most are lawyers even on the Rethuglican side. It's almost an unwritten requirement to be a law maker that you need a law degree.

Thorack

I notice how the quality of laws doesn't improve but the quantity expands near-exponentially.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by SWOHFAL

I notice how the quality of laws doesn't improve but the quantity expands near-exponentially.

Eventually with enough laws on the books and the exponential growth you speak of we will all be unknowing criminals for one reason or another. Like getting flogged for chewing gum or something even less important and more asinine.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Eventually with enough laws on the books and the exponential growth you speak of we will all be unknowing criminals for one reason or another. Like getting flogged for chewing gum or something even less important and more asinine.

There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of lawbreakers—and then you cash in on guilt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing...n_in_Singapore

[E5c03]

Lets make a new law.
Congress members and Senators,have the same term limit as the commander-n-chief,,,2 terms then need to be reelected after leaving offce for at least 1 term. That would be one too vote for.
2nd law We vote pay increases for the Senate and Congress.

[Mark IV]

As a court reporter, I deal with lawyers every day.

They're no more intelligent or qualified to hold office than any of us: As a matter of fact, they're less qualified because most of them went from high school, to college, to law school, to a law firm, and have never gotten their fingernails dirty or held a real job. They may have book smarts, but they have no common sense and don't know a thing about the real world.

Being a lawyer should disqualify someone from holding public office.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by E5c03

Lets make a new law.
Congress members and Senators,have the same term limit as the commander-n-chief,,,2 terms then need to be reelected after leaving offce for at least 1 term. That would be one too vote for.
2nd law We vote pay increases for the Senate and Congress.

One in office and one in prison.

[homelandprotector]

Dabt's a lawyer.......I HATE LAWYERS!! Hey lawyer? want to see my new lathe??

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by E5c03

Lets make a new law.
Congress members and Senators,have the same term limit as the commander-n-chief,,,2 terms then need to be reelected after leaving offce for at least 1 term. That would be one too vote for.
2nd law We vote pay increases for the Senate and Congress.

Except we don't get to vote for it, they do. Would take a Constitutional Convention and at that rate it wouldn't be terms they were trying to limit, it would be the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th Amendments. Frick dat!

[alant]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Who is John Galt?

John Galt is a fictional character, like Hawkeye Pierce and Harry Potter.

[alant]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

As a court reporter, I deal with lawyers every day.

They're no more intelligent or qualified to hold office than any of us: As a matter of fact, they're less qualified because most of them went from high school, to college, to law school, to a law firm, and have never gotten their fingernails dirty or held a real job. They may have book smarts, but they have no common sense and don't know a thing about the real world.

Being a lawyer should disqualify someone from holding public office.

Real job, how do you define that?

Are you suggesting anyone that hasn't held a "real job" (whatever that is) or that went from high school to college should be disqualified from holding any public office? I'm really interested in getting a list of people you feel should be disqualified from holding office based upon their vocation. Suppose a law student works summers as a laborer, flipping burgers or grew up working on a family farm, is there an exception for those people?

You don't see any advantage to studying our laws before you start writing them?

Do court reporters get their fingernails dirty?

Don't you agree that a law practice is a business, and a lawyer might be considered a businessman as well? Particularly those in a small practice, you know, the "country lawyer".

[olgier]

Originally Posted by alant

Real job, how do you define that?

Don't you agree that a law practice is a business, and a lawyer might be considered a businessman as well? Particularly those in a small practice, you know, the "country lawyer".

Do not confuse lawyers with people that run/own businesses.

[alant]

Originally Posted by olgier

Do not confuse lawyers with people that run/own businesses.

Why? Does a small law office not have employees, customers and business expenses? How would such a business be materially different than a real estate office, barber shop or dental practice.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by alant

John Galt is a fictional character, like Hawkeye Pierce and Harry Potter.

And if you would have read the book Atlas Shrugged, you would know that the phrase is used throughout the story as a hundred different human reactions. But I'm fairly certain you have read more J.K. Rowling than Ayn Rand from your responses to many of my current posts. Those wizard books were written for small children by the way...

[alant]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

And if you would have read the book Atlas Shrugged, you would know that the phrase is used throughout the story as a hundred different human reactions. But I'm fairly certain you have read more J.K. Rowling than Ayn Rand from your responses to many of my current posts. Those wizard books were written for small children by the way...

And Atlas Shrugged was written for teenaged boys and adult narcissists.

[FALRifle]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

As a court reporter, I deal with lawyers every day.

They're no more intelligent or qualified to hold office than any of us: As a matter of fact, they're less qualified because most of them went from high school, to college, to law school, to a law firm, and have never gotten their fingernails dirty or held a real job. They may have book smarts, but they have no common sense and don't know a thing about the real world.

Being a lawyer should disqualify someone from holding public office.

I agree that most lawyers are no more intelligent than you or I but you can't say becuase they are laywers they never held real jobs. My stepfather grew up on a farm and worked it until he was 23. Went to law school which he paid for himself by working in a steel mill for 6 years while raising 2 daughters by himself. Worked his ass off to become partner and now is one of the best business attorneys in the midwest. I am pretty sure he knows the value of "real" work and the value of dollar.

Generalizations are dangerous.

[FALRifle]

Also, most attorneys i know vote republican. Just sayin. . . .

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by homelandprotector

Dabt's a lawyer.......I HATE LAWYERS!! Hey lawyer? want to see my new lathe??

Nothing quite as satisfying as seeing an open minded liberal.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by alant

And Atlas Shrugged was written for teenaged boys and adult narcissists.

You certainly told me

Do you have any comic books I can borrow so I'll feel better?

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

You certainly told me

Do you have any comic books I can borrow so I'll feel better?

You mean like "Dreams of my Father" and "the Audacity of Hope".

[alant]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

You certainly told me

Do you have any comic books I can borrow so I'll feel better?

Maybe you should get a membership at the G W Bush Presidential Libarary.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by alant

Maybe you should get a membership at the G W Bush Presidential Libarary.

Or the Barack Obama one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_in_comics

At least he knows his audience and their mentality....

[okiefarmer]

[QUOTE=Stoney;3371896]A LAWYER WITH A BRIEFCASE CAN STEAL MORE THAN A THOUSAND MEN WITH GUNS.

QUOTE]

Is this more or less what Dabs has as his sigline.

just sayin'

and this isn't exactly a revelation to a lot of us.

[alant]

Originally Posted by SWOHFAL

Or the Barack Obama one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_in_comics

At least he knows his audience and their mentality....

People in glass houses . . .

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

People in glass houses . . .

Proof that Reagan and obama were very close.
Of course that was back when Reagan was still a democrat.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by alant

Maybe you should get a membership at the G W Bush Presidential Libarary.

I'll pass. You give the man too much credit. I believe that library resembles the infant section of Barnes and Noble. Coloring books don't interest me, its comic books I'm looking for. They start with the same letter so I'll forgive your confusion seeing as you're having a bad day and all.

[olgier]

Originally Posted by alant

Why? Does a small law office not have employees, customers and business expenses? How would such a business be materially different than a real estate office, barber shop or dental practice.

Very different. Lawyers create thier own market and do a very good job of price fixing. The only ones they rely on are other lawyers to market their "product".
They also rely on "real" businesses to keep them afloat by fee's they collect from frivilous lawsuits filed against other said businesses.

You can argue my logic all you want, but many of the regulations that are choking the life out of this country and businesses are the direct result of lawyers and the special interest groups they represent.

The more laws there are on the books, the more you HAVE to rely on a lawyer. (and those hundreds of dollars per hour fees they charge you) It's a criminal enterprise, not a business. Comparing a law office to a small mom and pop business is like comparing organized crime to a sunday school class.

[EPC WN]

Yup. See Stoney's final quote found in post #1 in this very thread. We have arrived...

[alant]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Yup. See Stoney's final quote found in post #1 in this very thread. We have arrived...

Stoney didn't "quote" or reference anything. His numbers are made up internet legends.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_count...ers_per_capita

Stoney: "The United States has 5% of the world’s population and 66% of the world’s lawyers!" - bullshiit, see above link


Trial Lawyers’ Support of Republican Candidates Yields Less Than Stellar Results
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us...d-results.html
Trial-lawyer-backed is a label ready-made for Republicans’ attack ads in tort-reform-happy Texas. But if the 2012 primaries are any guide, the plaintiffs’ bar is becoming less shy about investing in the Republican side of the ballot — and Republican candidates are not being bashful about accepting the money.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summ...?id=D000000065 (See charts at bottom of link)

Stoney: "When you see that 97%of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high!" - bullshiit statement #2, see above link

[ce]

Alant thinks he's Atticus Finch.

As if.

[alant]

Originally Posted by ce

Alant thinks he's Atticus Finch.

Hardly.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by ce

Alant thinks he's Atticus Finch.

He comes by it honestly.
He has finches in his attic.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by alant

Stoney didn't "quote" or reference anything. His numbers are made up internet legends.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_count...ers_per_capita

Stoney: "The United States has 5% of the world’s population and 66% of the world’s lawyers!" - bullshiit, see above link


Trial Lawyers’ Support of Republican Candidates Yields Less Than Stellar Results
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us...d-results.html
Trial-lawyer-backed is a label ready-made for Republicans’ attack ads in tort-reform-happy Texas. But if the 2012 primaries are any guide, the plaintiffs’ bar is becoming less shy about investing in the Republican side of the ballot — and Republican candidates are not being bashful about accepting the money.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summ...?id=D000000065 (See charts at bottom of link)

Stoney: "When you see that 97%of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high!" - bullshiit statement #2, see above link

Sorry. Meant the Rand quote in his signature. But that old girl is too narcissistic for your taste you've said. Now read in context. You do have a hard on for me today. Damn. Chill out

[EPC WN]

Yeah this one

“When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you. . . you may know that your society is doomed.” - Ayn Rand

That is what I was going Mr. Finch.
Your witness

[Hunters]

Maybe it's time to resurrect the lost 13th amendment?

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain, any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

[alant]

Originally Posted by Hunters

Maybe it's time to resurrect the lost 13th amendment?

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain, any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

If an American citizen accepts a Nobel Prize they cease to be a citizen of the United States, but it's okay if they accept money from a foreign corporation?


Speaking of never occuring to the OP . . .

Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer.

John Adams was a lawyer.

Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer.

So were James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin van Buren, John Tyler, James Polk, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan - that is 13 of the first 16 Presidents, the other 3 (and some of the lawyers) were soldiers.

[alant]

Mark IV, still waiting -

Originally Posted by alant

Real job, how do you define that?

Are you suggesting anyone that hasn't held a "real job" (whatever that is) or that went from high school to college should be disqualified from holding any public office? I'm really interested in getting a list of people you feel should be disqualified from holding office based upon their vocation. Suppose a law student works summers as a laborer, flipping burgers or grew up working on a family farm, is there an exception for those people?

You don't see any advantage to studying our laws before you start writing them?

Do court reporters get their fingernails dirty?

Don't you agree that a law practice is a business, and a lawyer might be considered a businessman as well? Particularly those in a small practice, you know, the "country lawyer".

[Arizona Dog]

Originally Posted by alant

If an American citizen accepts a Nobel Prize they cease to be a citizen of the United States, but it's okay if they accept money from a foreign corporation?


Speaking of never occuring to the OP . . .

Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer.

John Adams was a lawyer.

Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer.

So were James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin van Buren, John Tyler, James Polk, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan - that is 13 of the first 16 Presidents, the other 3 (and some of the lawyers) were soldiers.

You are a trite man.
The mind set of these early presidents was completely different from the modern day politician.
Please, let me offer up a little grease for you.
Before the war to establish a southern confederacy, all the slave holders were democrats.

[armarsh]

Originally Posted by alant

Mark IV, still waiting -

You're pretty wound up about this thread.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Seaweed]

I think the reason politicians shouldn't be lawyers is based on the fact that the lawyers are taught to base their thoughts on a "legal base", and most of the rest of us base our thoughts generally on a "moral base". These two are commonly in conflict.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally Posted by alant

Mark IV, still waiting -

How about one where you produce wealth rather than redistribute it?

[Dave Hume]

Originally Posted by alant

If an American citizen accepts a Nobel Prize they cease to be a citizen of the United States, but it's okay if they accept money from a foreign corporation?


Speaking of never occuring to the OP . . .

Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer..

That murdering defamer of the Constitution doesn't help make your point...except maybe a point about killing all the lawyers.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by alant

If an American citizen accepts a Nobel Prize they cease to be a citizen of the United States, but it's okay if they accept money from a foreign corporation?


Speaking of never occuring to the OP . . .

Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer.

John Adams was a lawyer.

Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer.

So were James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin van Buren, John Tyler, James Polk, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan - that is 13 of the first 16 Presidents, the other 3 (and some of the lawyers) were soldiers.

I think the original poster was refering to a more recent trend, and I think being a lawyer in the 1700s was probably a bit different then being one today.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by Dave Hume

That murdering defamer of the Constitution doesn't help make your point...except maybe a point about killing all the lawyers.

I'm guessing you're another Ron Paul idiot.