How many want a US made FAL mag? (Pics & videos added)

[Thumper580]

These sound great!! I'm in for five..

[gfly]

In for min of 5

[CeeKay]

Moses: I just did some math, and I'm fairly certain your estimated 2,000 unit run (iirc) is way too low...

Just judging by those who've voted in the poll (at time of posting), you'll need exactly 3108 mags to fulfill all the current interest....

Math used:

(21x1)+(91x2)+(225x5)+(178x10)= 3108
21 + 182 + 1125 + 1780 = 3108
([number of voters] x [quantity requested]) + ([[next set]])

My suggestion: A production run of 3500 mags, with the remainder left as parts/inventory.


- CK

[skeeterbay]

I am sure some members are just waiting to see the end product before they commit. My guess is you will be swamped with orders once a few people get them in their hands.

[El Mac]

Originally Posted by skeeterbay

I am sure some members are just waiting to see the end product before they commit. My guess is you will be swamped with orders once a few people get them in their hands.

this ^

[John Hardin]

Originally Posted by skeeterbay

I am sure some members are just waiting to see the end product before they commit. My guess is you will be swamped with orders once a few people get them in their hands.

Absolutely. You'll sell a metric buttload once you announce availability and word gets around how good they are.

[Redneck Rob]

I'm still good for five (5) .

[CeeKay]

Originally Posted by skeeterbay

I am sure some members are just waiting to see the end product before they commit. My guess is you will be swamped with orders once a few people get them in their hands.

K, maybe 4,000....


- CK

[moses]

We are having a prototype made of the mag with the latest changes, before we actually modify the molds.
It should be in hand in the next few days or early next week.
This should tell us what we need to know..... hopefully!

It is a process that will make one mag body and makes it out of very similar material to what we will be using on the production mags.

It's called SLS prototyping
Here is some info on it if interested.

http://www.protocam.com/html/sls.html

Hurry up and wait!!!!


CeeKay, believe me I have done the math, and I have also had many people tell me if they work great they will be buying a lot more than 10 mags.
I also know that a lot of the people who said they will buy however many mags won't buy any, ask Gunplumber for the percentages on how many actually buy what they say they will on a poll like this.

That being said if they work like I expect them to work I assume I will sell a lot more than 4000 mags!!
However due to finances I will have to limit the first production run to how many I can afford to make on the first production run.

I should be able to have the second run produced pretty quickly after the first run and should have the finances available from the money I take in from the initial run.
Nothing is in stone yet so no reason to fret at this point.

Updates to follow as I get the info!!!!!

Thanks for all the support everyone!!!

[Ship Ahoy]

Wants Moses Mags.

[IRONWORKER]

moses, it sounds like your almost there bro...... I'm still in for 5 when their ready!!

Thank you brother for all the hard work

[CeeKay]

Impatiently waiting.....

Still in for a pair.


- CK

[El Mac]

20

[Czechsix]

resub bump...sounds like it's getting closer. Yay.

[kayvee]

NJ FALers need some blocked at 15 rounds.

[ronpaulFAL]

Moses-

Do you have an ETA yet? We won't crucify you if there are delays. Appreciate what you are doing.

[moses]

Latest prototype is in and I will be examining it tomorrow.

Hopefully everything will be as it should and they will be starting on the modifications to the actual mold!

[Jaxxas]

Originally Posted by moses

Latest prototype is in and I will be examining it tomorrow.

Hopefully everything will be as it should and they will be starting on the modifications to the actual mold!

You looking for investors?

[Cozmacozmy]

I'm still in Moses, problem is I don't remember how many I said on the poll I would get. It will be as many as I can afford though, thanks!

[BIG10]

You can put me down for at least 10 to start.

-BIG10

[Spktyr]

Er, Moses, given the events of this past Thursday-Friday in Colorado, may I suggest it might be a good idea to put this project into maximum overdrive/firewalled throttle/full afterburner/balls to the wall mode at current? Otherwise, if legislation gets passed, you might discover that you have dumped a bunch of money and time into a project and product that you are no longer able to legally sell. A lot of magazine manufacturers went belly up after the 1994 ban.

Just a thought...

[El Mac]

Originally Posted by Spktyr

Er, Moses, given the events of this past Thursday-Friday in Colorado, may I suggest it might be a good idea to put this project into maximum overdrive/firewalled throttle/full afterburner/balls to the wall mode at current? Otherwise, if legislation gets passed, you might discover that you have dumped a bunch of money and time into a project and product that you are no longer able to legally sell. A lot of magazine manufacturers went belly up after the 1994 ban.

Just a thought...

Agreed.

[ALL FAL]

Fear is the mind killer....

[Spktyr]

It's called being prepared. If Moses moves this up to absolute top priority, the least that will happen is everyone has mags to buy soon even if legislation doesn't get passed. Those mags could then be bought by members or potentially even sold as factory mags to RRA, DSA, KelTec, etc., etc.

At worst, if he moves it up and gets it done in time but a ban is passed, he sells out the first batch or two and makes all his money back (as it sounds from reading this thread that he's structured it that way) before the deadline comes up.

There's no real downside to being cautious and accelerating this just in case.

If it's a matter of money to make the project go faster, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of persons on this thread offering to invest in the enterprise.

[WWI Flying Ace]

I'm in for 5. I am from Colorado and I deplore what happened. When will the polymer mags be done?

[Cava3r4]

I think I'm on this thread previously.. but just in case,
but me down for 5
TIA
Bob

[moses]

The mags should be ready before the election if things go well.

I am pretty sure with the latest changes we are making to the molds that the magazine body should be coming out of the mold as it needs to be dimension wise.

Believe me this project is in "maximum overdrive" I am not the only customer the mold company has so I am relegated to their time frame.
I am in just as much of a hurry as everyone else is to get these mags finished!


We've studied and examined the latest prototype and are confident we have everything as it needs to be, just have to wait on the molds to be modified or remade now, I am hoping to have the latest generation of the moses mag in my hands in the next 4 to 6 weeks, just depends on the how long it takes the mold company to do the work.

[ronpaulFAL]

Moses- great work, we are all waiting with great anticipation. You can be sure that once these are available, I will be buying a ton of them.

[Spktyr]

Originally Posted by moses

The mags should be ready before the election if things go well.

We may not have that much time. This was just tacked onto the cybersecurity bill today.

http://thehill.com/video/senate/2406...ontrol-measure

And the Congressional Record link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-20...1-3.pdf#page=2

SA 2575. Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SCHUMER, and Mrs. FEINSTEIN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 3414, to enhance the security and resiliency of the cyber and communications infrastructure of the United States; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following
SEC. ll. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) DEFINITION.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:
‘‘(30) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—
‘‘(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but
‘‘(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’’.
(b) PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of such title is amended by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
‘‘(v)(1)(A)(i) Except as provided in clause
(ii), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to the possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed with- in the United States on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.
‘‘(B) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
‘‘(A) a manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a transfer to or possession by a law enforcement officer employed by such an entity for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
‘‘(B) a transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or pos- session by an employee or contractor of such a licensee on-site for such purposes or off- site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear mate- rials;
‘‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device transferred to the individual by the agency upon that retirement; or
‘‘(D) a manufacture, transfer, or possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.’’.
(c) PENALTIES.—Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the fol- lowing:
‘‘(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(v) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.’’.
(d) IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS.—Section 923(i) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of the enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was manufactured after such date of enactment, and such other identification as the Attorney General may by regulation prescribe.’’.

The Senate is likely to cheerfully vote this through in the next few business days. Whether the House will agree or not.... Well, you may have some faith in your Congresscritter, but I don't.

How much money do you need to get the mold maker to put a rush on this instead of making it standard priority? Most such companies are just doing it slow because they can get away with it, and will cheerfully move you up and speed up your work for a rush fee. Others have mentioned they would cheerfully invest - perhaps you could enquire?

You can count me in for at least 5 and more likely 10 if we can get these before the (potential) ban. I will cheerfully send you the money for the 5 as a deposit (at the anticipated ~$25 price) to prove I'm serious, if that's needed.

[Viper505]

Originally Posted by Spktyr

Er, Moses, given the events of this past Thursday-Friday in Colorado, may I suggest it might be a good idea to put this project into maximum overdrive/firewalled throttle/full afterburner/balls to the wall mode at current? Otherwise, if legislation gets passed, you might discover that you have dumped a bunch of money and time into a project and product that you are no longer able to legally sell. A lot of magazine manufacturers went belly up after the 1994 ban.

Just a thought...

Nice jargon … you forgot "Maximum Warp, Scotty!" ;-) ^v^

[John Hardin]

Originally Posted by Spktyr

We may not have that much time. This was just tacked onto the cybersecurity bill today.

http://thehill.com/video/senate/2406...ontrol-measure

Agreed. I'm writing my Senators, which as I live in WA state is probably a waste of time... any way to produce the mags sooner in case this amendment doesn't die a well-deserved death?

[P806]

I want some!

[billmac]

I am in for at least 4!

[Armadillo]

An email on the cyber security bill sent me to the files to find some mags....glad I found this thread. I am in.

[Jez Cruzen]

If these are metric, I'l take four... maybe eight, when available.

[soturi]

i'm in for 10 as soon as they're ready, man! great work here.

[Nu2FAL]

I'd be in for a couple of either the 20 or 25 rounders

[theweave72]

I want 10 ea twenty five rounders. (will take 20 rounders if I have to.)

[ultramagbrion]

I would take 5-10 25 rounders myself

Nice work Moses

[Blackmore]

I forgot how many I asked for. Hope Johnny is keeping track.

[FAL4EVER]

If they are as good as the PMAGS I recently bought for my LR-308's, I will buy at least 5.

[Coronach]

I'm in for 5 20s right away, with an option for a mess more if they're solid performers. I'd look at 20 and 25 rounders, but probably stick with the 20s...

Mike

[Czechsix]

Any updates?

[CLP]

I would like to get on the list for 10 please.

[markthenewf]

Originally Posted by moses

The mags should be ready before the election if things go well.

Thanks for the update. We're all watching like 5 year olds on Christmas eve.

[Rollin Black]

Put me in line for a second set of 10 once the first batch are delivered to all.

Thanks for making this happen!

[CeeKay]

To be honest, I think the US needs to pass a bill that would nullify bills with stupid shit tacked on.... Why?

Because what do firearm magazines have to do with CYBERSECURITY!? I think it should be so that when a moot or irrelevant point is added to a bill, the bill is instantly nixed and shredded, and thrown off the floor.

But, that would make too much sense for the Government. :\

New tax bill? ADD VEHICLE HEADLIGHT COLOR RESTRICTIONS!!!!!!

New anti-crime bill? ADD A PARAMETER BANNING CIGARETTE SMOKING IN PARKS!!!!


- CK

[Spktyr]

So the September plate match is over, any updates on these mags?

[moses]

Still waiting on the mold company to finish the molds.

I am gonna call them tomorrow and try and light a fire under them.

[MAINER]