newbi build

zetabird · January 03, 2012, 21:54

ok guys i bought my apex g1 kit on christmas and signed up on here the same day, well by the time i was verified and allowed to post the bored goes down for maintenance, just my luck lol. so here it is my g1 kit

ive started on the refinishing of some of the little stuff on it till my duracoat gets here, and i still need to find a barrel, and the gunshop is suposed to call in the next few days about getting my receiver im going with the coonan type III

**andresere** · January 03, 2012, 23:45

Looks like a good start to a FAL. Butt stock looks like it will clean up pretty good. Get you a buttstock and pistol grip tool. You will eventually need a tool for the front site as well. As much as I hate to recommend them, DSA sells a combo kit that contains all these tools plus an extractor tool along with a gas wrench for 60.00. All of the tools are worth it. You will end up spending at least 600-700 on the rifle- buy the right tools to work on it.
http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-Tool-Kit-P...oductinfo/649/
Good luck and let us know how it progresses.

blueyedfaler · January 03, 2012, 23:47

Welcome. You should have no trouble finding a barrel. You have your work cut out to refinish that but is very satisfing and fun, then you get to go shoot it.

I am working on an izzy clone and plosted just before the shut down for some parts I am after, sure never thought it would last this long.

zetabird · January 04, 2012, 00:06

it dose look like its had a hard life but im starting on the refinishing so its not a big deal. so i know there are alot of questions about the 922r stuff but what ive figured so far is if i go with the coonan reciver a coonan gas piston, enterprise muzzle brake falcon arms HTS kit thats 6 parts correct, then i would only need one more i was looking at falcon has a us made front handguard that is the plastic style. would that work on my g1 kit. my other question is apex has a south african barrel for 75 is that compatable with my gas block and gas tube? i cant seam to find any g1 parts the barrels were all cut in half for some reson from what i see??

Olaf · January 04, 2012, 17:05

nice choice ya gotta like the G1,dose the other side of that stock look as good? can I have it

there was a G1 barrel in the market place a while back,Im shure if you put a want to buy add on there something will show up

zetabird · January 04, 2012, 21:46

Aaaaaaaaactualy the stock ended up spraybombd black..... No I didn't do it my freind heard that I wanted a black polymer one long story short I'm putting a lock on my chem cabnent, so question will apexes south African barrel work what's diffrent with that and a g1 other than muzzle brake I want the threaded. Barrel for enterprises zeroclimb, and is the sight always this bogged down or is it just the upgrade I've tryst to check in several times

Olaf · January 04, 2012, 22:54

I belive all standard contoure barrlel will interchange, Im not shure about if there is a sight height difference, I dont think the rhode bbls have a cut for a bipod (not shure if you plan on useing one)
someone with a lot more knoledge than I will chime in directly

zetabird · January 05, 2012, 08:47

ok il order the barrel and well go from there, im not using the bipod on this one my next build will be all original, this bipod actualy is clamped to my nagant right now lol

zetabird · January 05, 2012, 08:49

oh and dose anybody know abotu the marks on the bolt carrier

crcksht · January 05, 2012, 08:57

Don't get one of those south african barrels. It's probably worn-out and pitted. Find an STG or Argentine barrel here in the MP and you'll be much happier with the results.

**harleyrider** · January 05, 2012, 09:07

Nice G1 kit! Looks like APEX still has a few decent, buildable units left. Regarding a barrel, since you're wanting to use a threaded muzzle device, a bipod-cut StG barrel would be your best bet. They are pretty much universally regarded as the most accurate metric FAL barrels out there, are usually in much better condition than the South African barrels you mentioned. StG barrels can routinely be found here in the MP and on GB for $125-$175 range. Regarding a receiver, Coonan is a great choice but you might consider getting a Type 1, which would be the correct type for your lower. Coonan makes a model specifically for the G1 and you can order it with serial number matching your kit if desired.

Oh, sorry to hear about the buttstock; that looked like a pretty nice one.

Good luck and post up photos of your progress!

HR

zetabird · January 05, 2012, 09:55

from what i hear i may be cathing some flak for it but like i said im not interested in the originality ofthis gun, just looking to build on i like, the next ones will prolly be like they should, but im starting buy buying and building all the tools il need for this build so here i come recever wrench and vice lol

Roadmarker · January 05, 2012, 10:16

The SA barrel from APEX doesn't have the bipod cut, so if you want a bipod look elsewhere. If this is your shooter you may want to eliminate the carry handle also, so before you order your receiver figure out if you want the carry handle cutout on it. There is still a sale at DSA for a type 1 or type 2, carry handle cut out for 310 I believe. We'll probably never see that again!
If weight is a concern I have a black polymer buttstock sanded and ready for paint. I will trade for your painted wooden model. PM me and we can come to a fair deal. Thanks and have fun,

Roadmarker

zetabird · January 05, 2012, 10:19

im going without the bipod and without the carry handle cut but right now im still trying to find a shop with an ffl that will order me a reciver around here unless its a 1200 dollar ar then its like pulling teeth to get anything

Roadmarker · January 05, 2012, 10:26

Just ask a local FFL you want to use them for a transfer. For $30.00 or less you should be able to find someone. Order direct from DSA and you can fax in a copy of the FFL, they will verify it there. I'm sure Coonan will do the same.
About that buttstock....?

zetabird · January 13, 2012, 21:09

well not much done to it yet still waiting on tax money so i can get my receiver so here is a little that i have done to it, i modified the selector switch to lock out the full auto so now it is safe fire safe.

here is the full auto slot on the selector it needed filled in

a few coats of jb weld to see how it works, if it dosent hold up il weld it solid and grind it down

and heres after its sanded down

and heres my super shiny polished .308 that im turning into a key chain

**def90** · January 13, 2012, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by zetabird

Aaaaaaaaactualy the stock ended up spraybombd black.....

You get an original type B stock while everyone else is getting mangled Turkish stocks and you go and spray paint it black?

The FAL gods are very disappointed.

zetabird · January 13, 2012, 22:07

hey i didnt do it lol i just havent gotten around to fixing it yet lol

zetabird · February 24, 2012, 10:23

well heres alittle update still waiting on taxes to get the barrel and reciver, ive got most of the tools still need a reciver wrench and vise though.

and heres a star im working on while i wait for parts

**def90** · February 25, 2012, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by zetabird

well heres alittle update still waiting on taxes to get the barrel and reciver, ive got most of the tools still need a reciver wrench and vise though.

The horror!!! Sorry.. just had to say it.. First a spraybombed type B stock with BGS proofed parts and now a Century SAW abomination?? please just get the thing finished and shooting again.

Good job on the JB weld auto fill..

Roadmarker · February 27, 2012, 12:25

Not to worry about that B stock, it is getting some loving care. A little bit more steaming out of dents, oil removal and a crack repair and then a nice finish. It should be back to pristine condition. It just takes patience and repeated attention.

ronin278 · March 04, 2012, 18:18

Man am I glad I found this post. I'm starting my own newbie FAL build this week with an APEX parts kit. What is the difference between a type 1 and type 3 receiver? Is there a major difference in performance? I'm turning my FAL into a PSG-1 variant.

**def90** · March 04, 2012, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin278

Man am I glad I found this post. I'm starting my own newbie FAL build this week with an APEX parts kit. What is the difference between a type 1 and type 3 receiver? Is there a major difference in performance? I'm turning my FAL into a PSG-1 variant.

It is a cosmetic difference, has nothing to do with performance. What is a PSG-1?

Type 1

Type 2

Type 3

zetabird · March 04, 2012, 18:48

if i recall corectly the psg1 bassed off something that looks alot like a g 3

**def90** · March 04, 2012, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by zetabird

if i recall corectly the psg1 bassed off something that looks alot like a g 3

If he wants a PSG-1 as in a G3 then he's using the wrong rifle to start with..

ronin278 · March 04, 2012, 19:04

The PSG-1 was a sniper rifle created by H&K way back when.

Not sure when exactly, but a lot of people began converting the very versatile FAL into a similar beast by attaching an adjustable precision stock and an ergo pistol grip with a palm shelf. There was a guy on here that sold one of these beauties a couple years ago.

ronin278 · March 04, 2012, 19:04

Better idea of what I'm trying to accomplish. Guess you can't really call it a PSG-1 clone anymore aside from the stock and pistol grip.

January 03, 2012, 21:54	#1
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	newbi build ok guys i bought my apex g1 kit on christmas and signed up on here the same day, well by the time i was verified and allowed to post the bored goes down for maintenance, just my luck lol. so here it is my g1 kit ive started on the refinishing of some of the little stuff on it till my duracoat gets here, and i still need to find a barrel, and the gunshop is suposed to call in the next few days about getting my receiver im going with the coonan type III

January 03, 2012, 23:45	#2
andresere Master of Gunnery Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6598 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,024	Looks like a good start to a FAL. Butt stock looks like it will clean up pretty good. Get you a buttstock and pistol grip tool. You will eventually need a tool for the front site as well. As much as I hate to recommend them, DSA sells a combo kit that contains all these tools plus an extractor tool along with a gas wrench for 60.00. All of the tools are worth it. You will end up spending at least 600-700 on the rifle- buy the right tools to work on it. http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-Tool-Kit-P...oductinfo/649/ Good luck and let us know how it progresses. __________________ I'm a Black Jew at a Nazi Klan rally. Let's get it on. ---- Ted Nugent

January 05, 2012, 08:57	#10
crcksht Registered FALaholic #: 15315 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Volunteer State Posts: 1,159	Don't get one of those south african barrels. It's probably worn-out and pitted. Find an STG or Argentine barrel here in the MP and you'll be much happier with the results. __________________ "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." -- Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott, Debates, 425-426) --George Mason

January 05, 2012, 09:07	#11
harleyrider Out of quarters.... Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 55746 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,780	Nice G1 kit! Looks like APEX still has a few decent, buildable units left. Regarding a barrel, since you're wanting to use a threaded muzzle device, a bipod-cut StG barrel would be your best bet. They are pretty much universally regarded as the most accurate metric FAL barrels out there, are usually in much better condition than the South African barrels you mentioned. StG barrels can routinely be found here in the MP and on GB for $125-$175 range. Regarding a receiver, Coonan is a great choice but you might consider getting a Type 1, which would be the correct type for your lower. Coonan makes a model specifically for the G1 and you can order it with serial number matching your kit if desired. Oh, sorry to hear about the buttstock; that looked like a pretty nice one. Good luck and post up photos of your progress! HR __________________ What the HELL is he building in there?

March 04, 2012, 18:18	#22
ronin278 Registered FALaholic #: 65732 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Skokie, IL Posts: 30	Man am I glad I found this post. I'm starting my own newbie FAL build this week with an APEX parts kit. What is the difference between a type 1 and type 3 receiver? Is there a major difference in performance? I'm turning my FAL into a PSG-1 variant. Last edited by ronin278; March 04, 2012 at 18:24. Reason: Question answered earlier in thread

January 03, 2012, 23:47	#3
blueyedfaler Registered FALaholic #: 3609 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wyoming Posts: 429	Welcome. You should have no trouble finding a barrel. You have your work cut out to refinish that but is very satisfing and fun, then you get to go shoot it. I am working on an izzy clone and plosted just before the shut down for some parts I am after, sure never thought it would last this long.

January 04, 2012, 00:06	#4
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	it dose look like its had a hard life but im starting on the refinishing so its not a big deal. so i know there are alot of questions about the 922r stuff but what ive figured so far is if i go with the coonan reciver a coonan gas piston, enterprise muzzle brake falcon arms HTS kit thats 6 parts correct, then i would only need one more i was looking at falcon has a us made front handguard that is the plastic style. would that work on my g1 kit. my other question is apex has a south african barrel for 75 is that compatable with my gas block and gas tube? i cant seam to find any g1 parts the barrels were all cut in half for some reson from what i see??

January 04, 2012, 17:05	#5
Olaf Registered FALaholic #: 63894 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nebraska Posts: 679	nice choice ya gotta like the G1,dose the other side of that stock look as good? can I have it there was a G1 barrel in the market place a while back,Im shure if you put a want to buy add on there something will show up

January 04, 2012, 21:46	#6
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	Aaaaaaaaactualy the stock ended up spraybombd black..... No I didn't do it my freind heard that I wanted a black polymer one long story short I'm putting a lock on my chem cabnent, so question will apexes south African barrel work what's diffrent with that and a g1 other than muzzle brake I want the threaded. Barrel for enterprises zeroclimb, and is the sight always this bogged down or is it just the upgrade I've tryst to check in several times

January 04, 2012, 22:54	#7
Olaf Registered FALaholic #: 63894 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nebraska Posts: 679	I belive all standard contoure barrlel will interchange, Im not shure about if there is a sight height difference, I dont think the rhode bbls have a cut for a bipod (not shure if you plan on useing one) someone with a lot more knoledge than I will chime in directly

January 05, 2012, 08:47	#8
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	ok il order the barrel and well go from there, im not using the bipod on this one my next build will be all original, this bipod actualy is clamped to my nagant right now lol

January 05, 2012, 08:49	#9
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	oh and dose anybody know abotu the marks on the bolt carrier

January 05, 2012, 09:55	#12
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	from what i hear i may be cathing some flak for it but like i said im not interested in the originality ofthis gun, just looking to build on i like, the next ones will prolly be like they should, but im starting buy buying and building all the tools il need for this build so here i come recever wrench and vice lol

January 05, 2012, 10:16	#13
Roadmarker Ever vigilant Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63605 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Helena, Montana Posts: 828	The SA barrel from APEX doesn't have the bipod cut, so if you want a bipod look elsewhere. If this is your shooter you may want to eliminate the carry handle also, so before you order your receiver figure out if you want the carry handle cutout on it. There is still a sale at DSA for a type 1 or type 2, carry handle cut out for 310 I believe. We'll probably never see that again! If weight is a concern I have a black polymer buttstock sanded and ready for paint. I will trade for your painted wooden model. PM me and we can come to a fair deal. Thanks and have fun, Roadmarker

January 05, 2012, 10:19	#14
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	im going without the bipod and without the carry handle cut but right now im still trying to find a shop with an ffl that will order me a reciver around here unless its a 1200 dollar ar then its like pulling teeth to get anything

January 05, 2012, 10:26	#15
Roadmarker Ever vigilant Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63605 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Helena, Montana Posts: 828	Just ask a local FFL you want to use them for a transfer. For $30.00 or less you should be able to find someone. Order direct from DSA and you can fax in a copy of the FFL, they will verify it there. I'm sure Coonan will do the same. About that buttstock....?

January 13, 2012, 21:09	#16
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	well not much done to it yet still waiting on tax money so i can get my receiver so here is a little that i have done to it, i modified the selector switch to lock out the full auto so now it is safe fire safe. here is the full auto slot on the selector it needed filled in a few coats of jb weld to see how it works, if it dosent hold up il weld it solid and grind it down and heres after its sanded down and heres my super shiny polished .308 that im turning into a key chain

January 13, 2012, 22:07	#18
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	hey i didnt do it lol i just havent gotten around to fixing it yet lol

February 24, 2012, 10:23	#19
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	well heres alittle update still waiting on taxes to get the barrel and reciver, ive got most of the tools still need a reciver wrench and vise though. and heres a star im working on while i wait for parts

February 27, 2012, 12:25	#21
Roadmarker Ever vigilant Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63605 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Helena, Montana Posts: 828	Not to worry about that B stock, it is getting some loving care. A little bit more steaming out of dents, oil removal and a crack repair and then a nice finish. It should be back to pristine condition. It just takes patience and repeated attention.

March 04, 2012, 18:48	#24
zetabird Registered FALaholic #: 64873 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nappanee in Posts: 206	if i recall corectly the psg1 bassed off something that looks alot like a g 3

March 04, 2012, 19:04	#26
ronin278 Registered FALaholic #: 65732 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Skokie, IL Posts: 30	The PSG-1 was a sniper rifle created by H&K way back when. Not sure when exactly, but a lot of people began converting the very versatile FAL into a similar beast by attaching an adjustable precision stock and an ergo pistol grip with a palm shelf. There was a guy on here that sold one of these beauties a couple years ago. Last edited by ronin278; March 04, 2012 at 19:05. Reason: The thing does look like a G3. Guess I'm used to seeing the G1 version. whoops

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