Virgin FAL

[kgoerz]

DSA just finished and delivered this SA58C to the Dealer for me. I wont be home for a couple of weeks to have it sent to my local Gun shop. I plan on using a 7.62 ACOG or Aimpoint for my primary sights. I wanted get some input on which Irons to use, mainly for the front. I have an assortment of rear Flip Up irons (KAC, ARMS, Troy) but need advice for what to use on the front.
This Rifle will mainly be used to engage Targets in the 0 to 250 Meter Zone. Any input on other acessories would also be apreciated. So far I have a SF Scout light, Harris Bipod w/QD Latch, Tango Down Rail Covers, TD Vertical QD Grip and a MAGPUL FAL Stock. I still have to buy the stock thou. Thanks in Advance.
SPECS:SA58C
1. Picatinny lower
2. 18" bbl
3. Speed Trigger
4. Type 1 Receiver no carry cut.
5. Picatinny Gas Block

[W.E.G.]

PUT A MAGAZINE IN THAT RIFLE!!!

[Radio]

Where's the concrete?? I don't see any concrete.........

Also, how come there isn't a Picatinny rail on the buttstock????

[kgoerz]

Read the post. DSA delivered it to the Dealer. I cant have it delivered to me until I get home in two weeks. It would be safe to say I didn't take the picture or have the ability to put a Mag in it. Thanks for the help...........

Also, how come there isn't a Picatinny rail on the buttstock????

On most Tactical Weapons the Optics, lights, IR Lights, Sling Mounts...etc. are mounted towards the front.

[Radio]

Oh, dude....... well, 'nuff said. I'll admit it takes awhile for some of this stuff to make sense. Hang around.

--Radio

[molonlabe texan]

yuk.

[Azrial]

Nice Rifle!

You also have to remember that some of these guys are trying keep their rifles "authentic" to some particular country's issue. As "authentic" as you can be with a aftermarket receiver and 922R compliance anyway...

[Andy the Aussie]

Hey Guys lighten up......each to their own and all that. I am a traditionalist no doubt but I like to see some new life in the old girl....!!!!

Nice looking rifle mate, most here are not real fond of the X series stock (well DSAs take on the Aussie idea ) but it sure does beat the hell out of the SAW Style offered by others.

Best you report back in on her when you have sent some lead down range...!!!

Andy

[kgoerz]

Originally posted by Andy the Aussie
Hey Guys lighten up......each to their own and all that. I am a traditionalist no doubt but I like to see some new life in the old girl....!!!!

Nice looking rifle mate, most here are not real fond of the X series stock (well DSAs take on the Aussie idea ) but it sure does beat the hell out of the SAW Style offered by others.

Best you report back in on her when you have sent some lead down range...!!!

Andy

I was being sarcastic about the additional accessories. I think even a Mother couldn't love it in it's present configuration. Kind of like a Hairless Cat. I am very aware of the traditionalist opinion here. The traditionalist in me rejected the AR style Stock without a second thought. But, from my limited experience I know the FAL is very particular when it comes to the type of sights used. Especially Iron Sights. This was taken into consideration when selecting Picatinny from Head to Toe.
I have several other standard Stocks lying around. But I didn't have an X-Series Stock. Being that Stocks can be easily removed. I ordered it with a Stock I didn't own. I tried one before and liked it. But it was a completely different set up. I hope it works out, no big deal if it doesn't.
As far as launching lead down Range. My main question was about what Iron sights to use. In the U.S we generally attach these to our Guns before launching lead down Range, Mate

[Andy the Aussie]

Originally posted by kgoerz
My main question was about what Iron sights to use. In the U.S we generally attach these to our Guns before launching lead down Range, Mate

......hey I have watched a whole swag of those Gangsta/Tough Guy/action movies made in the good 'ol US of A and it seems to me you guys treat sights (well their use anyway) as optional.....

I have no experience with anything but the stock factory type sights and optics so I have no good advice for you mate......

Andy

[Radio]

The reason why DSA makes those "interesting" handguards with Picatinnys on all four sides is so you can mount a set of iron sights on the right side and tilt the rifle over like they do in Da Hood while still being able to maintain some accuracy, short sight picture notwithstanding.

'Struth, eh????

[Hebrew Battle Rifle]

Originally posted by Radio
The reason why DSA makes those "interesting" handguards with Picatinnys on all four sides is so you can mount a set of iron sights on the right side and tilt the rifle over like they do in Da Hood while still being able to maintain some accuracy, short sight picture notwithstanding.

'Struth, eh????

I suspect that you have the capability to express your opinion without being a dick. Perhaps you could prove me correct.

[kgoerz]

Originally posted by Andy the Aussie
......hey I have watched a whole swag of those Gangsta/Tough Guy/action movies made in the good 'ol US of A and it seems to me you guys treat sights (well their use anyway) as optional.....

I have no experience with anything but the stock factory type sights and optics so I have no good advice for you mate......

Andy

Not to many Picatinny Lowers with extended Scope Mounts out there. I have three or four different types of Rear Irons. I probably will have to launch lead down Range first. The standard fixed front sight won't work with a Picatinny lower and Rear Sight.
I added the Picatinny Gas Block at the last minute. Buy one, you have to buy the other.

[gunnut1]

Originally posted by kgoerz
Read the post. DSA delivered it to the Dealer. I cant have it delivered to me until I get home in two weeks. It would be safe to say I didn't take the picture or have the ability to put a Mag in it. Thanks for the help...........


On most Tactical Weapons the Optics, lights, IR Lights, Sling Mounts...etc. are mounted towards the front.

Dude,
You need to settle down a little. They were just joshin' ya. We do that on this board.

And where are the side rails for the receiver.

[gunnut1]

The reason why DSA makes those "interesting" handguards with Picatinnys on all four sides is so you can mount a set of iron sights on the right side and tilt the rifle over like they do in Da Hood while still being able to maintain some accuracy, short sight picture notwithstanding.

Don't ya know nothin'? They hold the gun sideways because that is the way it comes in the box! Sheesh, I have to 'splain everything to you guys!

[Radio]

Here ya go, HBR. We all know you want a set for yourself.





PS-- Dontcha know me by now homie???? Ain't we been here enough years yet???? I've got a pretty twisted sense of humor, most of what I post has my tongue waaaaaay out in my cheek. Thot U knew that.

--Radio

[Radio]

Sorry, the Birdman system is only offered for the right-handed shooter...

...but maybe now you see the true brilliance in the DSA product.

[BlasterLP]

I hope that rifle was delivered with the takedown lever in place.

let us know what sights you decide on.

[SIG552]

Although not at all clear in the pic, it does actually have a frame locking lever...a horizontal one.

[arashi]

Don't let them get to you. I like it, and I'm a traditionalist...

Did you you get the DSA mount cut for the ACOG base?

What are the lowest rail mounted, flip up, iron sights?

[panzer]

These look cool, and would look good on that FAL...

Pricey though.. but cheaper than the HK 416 sights.

HK Diopter Style BUIS
[RS-HKS] $160.00




HK Diopter style Back-up-iron-sights for AR15 rifle platforms. Bases are machined from T6 aluminum and hardcoat anodized black. Assembled with steel surplus parts. Set comes with front and rear sight, mounting screws, and clamps. Screws require a phillips head screw driver.

http://www.khalan.com/shop/default.htm

[kgoerz]

Thats not pricy for the set. Thats what I am looking for. Something besides the standard AR Irons. I might have a Rear BUIS like that. Have to dig thru my stuff.

Did you you get the DSA mount cut for the ACOG base?

I have the ACOG Mount for it. The Scope Mount the comes with the Rifle is Standard.

What are the lowest rail mounted, flip up, iron sights?

Not sure but I will start with my highest one and work my way down. You are saying the lower the Rear aperture on the Rear the Better? From reading it seems that people have problems not being able to adjust their POI high enough for a 25M Zero

[indy_Muaddib]

you need a minimum of 13 linear feet of Picatinny rail on that gun.

[rochte]

Originally posted by gunnut1


Dude,
You need to settle down a little. They were just joshin' ya. We do that on this board.

Often times to a fault... Frankly, there are times when I almost feel embarrassed to be a member on this board. Just how many times can some of you guys laugh at your own stupid jokes??

The man asked for advice in the Gunsmithing forum and 80% of the responses are complete nonsense... Yeah, that's why I love the FALfiles.....

[Radio]

Just how many times can some of you guys laugh at your own stupid jokes??

Endlessly, because I am one damn funny guy. I write funny, I sound funny, I look funny, I even smell funny. My humor is cutting and dry, like a popcorn fart. It is a thinking man's humor, which may explain why you frequently don't understand it.

--Radio, Member of the Unpopular Five

[rochte]

Originally posted by Radio

It is a thinking man's humor, which may explain why you frequently don't understand it.

Obviously you've attended the DABTL School of Sophomoric Wit and Cheekiness... Indeed, I do not find it particularly entertaining, though not for the reason you have stated.

[Radio]

Very well, let's agree to a meeting place. That way you will see for yourself how funny I look, how funny I sound, and (of course) how funny I smell.

Yes, indeed, I am one funny guy.

--Radio

[arashi]

Originally posted by kgoerz


I have the ACOG Mount for it. The Scope Mount the comes with the Rifle is Standard.

I was referring to this model that gets the acog as low as possible.

[ce]

You may find, that Radio, can be real easy to get along with.

Or, he can be, one mean sumbitch.

It's up to you.

Now, what we have here, is a failure, to commun'cate.

He asked for it, and he got it. Now he has to spend the night in the box.

If you will live by the rules, you may find your time here to be over soon enough, and you can return home without the difficulties some men aquire while they are here.

It's up to you, you can make it easy, or you can make it hard.

It's up to you.

Now get that silly lookin' thing outta my sight, and give that man 2 nights in the box, and another night for planning out that 25 meter zero.

[homelandprotector]

[kgoerz]

Originally posted by arashi


I was referring to this model that gets the acog as low as possible.

OK, you have the FAL Mount to lower it. The one I have has a lower base on the ACOG itself for this purpose, not much lower. I am not home right know and for the life of me I cant remember the brand. It was mounted when I purchased the ACOG. Someone here will know the name. But since I am not stuck with one Rear Sight I will probably not need this. Use a sight high or low enough for co-use.
I don't use BUIS as back ups. A common misunderstanding because of the name, back up. When using an Aim Point I use the Irons for further engagements. For me it was anything past 150 Meters, personal pref and situation dependent.
This worked great with an AR. Using a 308 w/ACOG it will probably be the other way around, make sense?
A lot of talk already on this subject. But if my optics go down at close Range (10-15 Meters) I am going to point shoot anyway, usually already am. I do use throw lever mounts. You aren't going to take the time to flip up an iron sight any more then the time to remove optics at this Range. Point shoot.
I would think if my Optics go down when engaging farther targets (ACOG, 308) Or break in this case. I would treat it like going dry or any other long Range malfunction. Take cover, detach it, fix it and drive on. But I never used BUIS this way before. If a Scope on a Sniper weapon went down. We stopped engaging. Not worth giving our position away taking pot shots. I only seen a scope break one time.

[kgoerz]

Originally posted by ce
You may find, that Radio, can be real easy to get along with.

Or, he can be, one mean sumbitch.

It's up to you.

Now, what we have here, is a failure, to commun'cate.

He asked for it, and he got it. Now he has to spend the night in the box.

If you will live by the rules, you may find your time here to be over soon enough, and you can return home without the difficulties some men aquire while they are here.

It's up to you, you can make it easy, or you can make it hard.

It's up to you.

Now get that silly lookin' thing outta my sight, and give that man 2 nights in the box, and another night for planning out that 25 meter zero.

Theres nothing wrong with humor. If it wasn't for Humor and Crazy people the net would be boring. But you have to have the ability to contribute an equal amount. Were not discussing planting Flowers here. This is not what FAL Files is about. Sometimes you need to just tell people to STFU. Especially when the subject is in direct correlation to the Forums name.
When you read.....lets say this persons last 25 post. When 90% of his post combined amount to the intelligence of a House Plant. When the other 10% are about as helpful and original as regurgitating warning labels on Tobacco products. You know whats Funny. When you read the word Contributing Member under this persons name, WTF Over.
Worst of all. It wasn't funny! Not even close. It doesn't rate. Only positive thing was me having to post the same question on another Forum. Where I did read something that made me laugh. Also read something that helped.

[ce]

There's another forum? And they answer questions, and they're funny?

Nah, that's OK, you go ahead, any funnier than Radio makes me pee.

[Radio]

Dude, ANYTHING makes you pee. Worse'n a dog in a new backyard.

[jerrymrc]

Originally posted by kgoerz


Theres nothing wrong with humor. If it wasn't for Humor and Crazy people the net would be boring. But you have to have the ability to contribute an equal amount. Were not discussing planting Flowers here. This is not what FAL Files is about. Sometimes you need to just tell people to STFU. Especially when the subject is in direct correlation to the Forums name.
When you read.....lets say this persons last 25 post. When 90% of his post combined amount to the intelligence of a House Plant. When the other 10% are about as helpful and original as regurgitating warning labels on Tobacco products. You know whats Funny. When you read the word Contributing Member under this persons name, WTF Over.
Worst of all. It wasn't funny! Not even close. It doesn't rate. Only positive thing was me having to post the same question on another Forum. Where I did read something that made me laugh. Also read something that helped.

Back to main topic..............................

I would have gone with the black furniture to match the rest. Not a fan of the multiple rails but to each his own.

You must ignore those that would rain on your parade. We have a few here that once you respond to the razzing like to have a field day.

CE is CE and harmless. Radio has pushed your buttons and you have pushed back.

Fact is you now have a Fal and welcome to the club. Some of us welcome any and all..............

Just remember it IS the internet.