HK trigger pack questions

[ccryan67]

I have a couple HK trigger packs that I received with an HK SR9 that I purchased during the ban. It came with 8 hi-cap mags that I paid a premium for but I digress. One of the two packs has an "x" marked hammer and ejector. I believe that indicates it is for a 93 but I don't know that. I assume their value will depend upon whether they are semi or FA. Anyone know how to tell the difference between semi and FA packs? How much they are worth? Thanks! CR

[LenStanton]

A full auto trigger pack, in and of itself constitutes a machine gun, even though they aren't sold as such sometimes. They will allow a HK rifle to fire full auto with or without the sear. I don't know how to tell the difference other than installing one in and test firing it.

[whatnow]

A Semi pack will have roughly a .5" notch cut out in the lower front of the trigger pack, an FA pack will be more of a rectangle and have 2 levers sticking out the top of the trigger pack. One is the ejector the other is the auto sear trip. A semi pack will only have one lever visible.

Bill

[ggiilliiee]

if were talkin the same pack ...iirc ..the SEF group has the 3 rnd burst ...small barrel roller in front of pack with a horrible little spring .he he ...the other is a TSR ..cetme type ..no rock - n - roller .......should be a notch like said before above ......with metal lip welded in ...for sa

[Creepy]

A full auto pack is NOT a machine gun.

God, I wish some of you folks knew WTF you were talking about before you start typing.

It is not recommended to do any cutting or notching to an HK trigger pack unless you are a C2. Gunsmiths and builders modify FA packs to semi only function all the time.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by LenStanton
A full auto trigger pack, in and of itself constitutes a machine gun, even though they aren't sold as such sometimes. They will allow a HK rifle to fire full auto with or without the sear. I don't know how to tell the difference other than installing one in and test firing it.

You are incorrect on every point.

[ccryan67]

Thanks for the info. And entertainment.

[LenStanton]

Originally posted by Stranger


You are incorrect on every point.

Every point? Even the part where I said I didn't know? So you know that I know even though I think that I don't know? How does that work

If Small Arms Review, and 2 HK owners are wrong, I guess I shouldn't have taken their word for it. But, I would like to hear more than just you saying that I'm incorrect. My sources of information do leave something to be desired, but what are yours? Have you shot a bunch of full auto HKs? Do you own some? You see, this is a learning process for me, and before blindly taking your word over 3 other peoples, I would like proof that you are right.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Creepy
A full auto pack is NOT a machine gun.

God, I wish some of you folks knew WTF you were talking about before you start typing.

It is not recommended to do any cutting or notching to an HK trigger pack unless you are a C2. Gunsmiths and builders modify FA packs to semi only function all the time.

+1

Its one thing to be ignorant. Its quite another to shout your ignorance from the rooftops.

a factory full auto trigger pack will not fit on an SP89, therefore it is not a machinegun, nor a conversion part under the NFA.

like the FAL auto sear will not fit into an unmodified semi afal receiver, therefore it is not a machinegun or a conversion part.

As for my "sources" I am a subcontractor for HK USA Repair department.


Were you to modify the grip frame and the trigger mechanism housing so that it would fit on a semi shelf, then it can be considered a machinegun conversion part .

[LenStanton]

So allow me to get this straight please. If you pull the sear out of a registered sear MP5, but still have the full auto trigger pack in it, will it or will it not sometimes still fire full auto? As I said, according to Small Arms Review and 2 seperate HK owners I talked to, with some guns that is the case. I have also heard of dealers not liking to sell full auto trigger packs unless it's to someone with a sear.

I am not an HK enthusiast. Of the ones I've shot, I've never particularly liked their guns. That and their corporate policy of not giving a damn about their customers has made me really not care about HK products. So I suppose it's not my place to post my second hand knowledge since I'll just get jumped on.

But there is one thing I do know, and that is that I see older semi auto HKs for sale that have remarks like "A must for sear owners!". If what I read and have been told is correct, some types of semi auto HK rifles, capable of accepting full auto components but not equipped with them can with some types of trigger packs fire full auto without the sear. I most definitely wasn't talking about those stupid new MP5 pistols, but the pre 89 HK imports. I don't mind being verbally slammed if that's what it takes for you guys to get your dicks up, but I would like to understand the truth about this please.

[gunplumber]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LenStanton
So allow me to get this straight please. If you pull the sear out of a registered sear MP5, but still have the full auto trigger pack in it, will it or will it not sometimes still fire full auto?

A trigger pack for a registered receiver (swing down, I know know thre are RR Shelf guns too) MP5 won't fit a semi,, therefore it is not a conversion part.

A trigger pack for a registered sear is designed to fit a semi. therefore it is a conversion part. It has alredy been modified. These are sometimes sold as "sear ready" and could theoretically be considered a conversion part - it would probably fall under constructive intent. If the guy HAS a registered sear, then its no big deal. If not, then it still won't work in the gun but one could argue intent.

In any case, most of the registered sears (flemming, type) are relocated in the trigger pack to the rear as the front mounting hole was cut away in the semi conversion and in the 80s FA trigger mechanism housings wre not as common as today. there are also registered trigger packs where the sear is not registered (HTA, et al).



I am not an HK enthusiast. . . I suppose it's not my place to post my second hand knowledge

That is usually a good guideline. If you insist on posting information about which you have no direct knowledge, it is usefull to couch your remarks in other than definitive terms. For example

"I have heard that an MP5 trigger pack is a machinegun by itself . . . is this correct?"

Instead of:

"A full auto trigger pack, in and of itself constitutes a machine gun"


But there is one thing I do know, and that is that I see older semi auto HKs for sale that have remarks like "A must for sear owners!". If what I read and have been told is correct, some types of semi auto HK rifles, capable of accepting full auto components but not equipped with them can with some types of trigger packs fire full auto without the sear.

a 1911 CAN fire fuill auto, but not with any safety. SP89s for example are sometimes more desireable than an MP5 becaus ethe host gun is a pistol - take the sear (front grip and stock) out and its a semi pistol again. and HK 94 would be an SBR w/o trigger group.

I don't mind being verbally slammed if that's what it takes for you guys to get your dicks up, but I would like to understand the truth about this please.

It is not that you are ignorant that gets you slammed, its the definitive way you announce your ignorance.