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jagdpanzer November 07, 2006 21:23

Question about Hirtenberger 7.62
 
Greetings all. Yesterday I ran across four battlepacks at my local shop. I have only been buying 7.62 for a little over a year and only know Hirt by it's reputation. At first, I didn't know exactly what it was, but for the price I couldn't pass it up. After some research I discovered it was Hirt and was quite pleased.
For some reason I couldn't access this site when I got home and had to Google around a little bit. My question regards the label on the packs and boxes. It reads:

HP

200 Cartuchos

cal. 7,62mm ^ 51 "NATO"

BALA NORMAL

The headstamp is: HP 7.62x51 78. Seems this lot was manufactured for a Spanish speaking country. Any ideas as to which one and whether or not this batch is boxer-primed? Any input would be appreciated.

-jagdpanzer

bnz42 November 07, 2006 22:12

It sounds like Hirt. Most likely made for a South American contract. Years ago, there was some Hirt mfg 7.62 NATO on the market that was from a Chilean contract. Good find. How much did you pay per battlepack?

jagdpanzer November 07, 2006 22:23

Thirty-four bucks a pack. I consider myself quite fortunate. It will be going deep into the stash along with my Port.

-jagdpanzer

bnz42 November 07, 2006 22:49

Yeah, you kicked some ass. Great price!

win308 November 08, 2006 19:13

This was Hirtenberger ammo made for the Police...not army... of Chile. I purchased about 20 cases some years ago for $149 per 1000 rd case. The ammo had berdan primers and was very accurate for ball ammo. (Hirtenberger switched to boxer primers by the mid to late 80's).

It functioned fine in all my gas guns and I would buy more if it came on the market again. (I believe it said "Bala Normal" on the 20 rd boxes or on the label of the heavy green plastic bags each 200 rds came in).

jagdpanzer November 08, 2006 19:20

Win308, thanks very much for the info. Now my reloadable brass bubble is busted! Still, I can't really bitch. Thanks again.

-jagdpanzer

win308 November 08, 2006 20:36

After I purchased the Hirt ammo, I bought an RCBS Berdan depriming tool and Berdan primers from OLD WESTERN SCROUNGER. They were supposed to have been made for NATO cases...and sure enough, they fit perfectly. The extra step of digging out the Berdan primer was a small pain, but I reloaded several 100s of the cases. The brass was exceptionally consistent in weight and uniform as far as case wall thickness all around.

I bought 5000 of those RWS primers and probably loaded less than 400 ~ 500 rounds using that Hirt brass. One day, when I run out of boxer brass, I might get back into loading berdan cases.....this time it will be the 83 Aussie once fired brass that I have stacking up in the basement.

Moral of the story...if you can find berdan primers, don't be afraid to get into reloading your Hirt brass. Once you get the primer out, it is straight forward, just like boxer brass.

jagdpanzer November 09, 2006 21:50

Win308, thanks again for the info. I guess now I will keep all of my berdan primed 7.62 cases. How do you deprime the cases? I saw something over on surplusrifle.com about making a fixture and using hydraulic pressure to force the primer out.

-jagdpanzer

W.E.G. November 09, 2006 22:37

Info on Berdan primer availability
http://www.subguns.com/boards/reload...mes;read=13921

"How-to" for Berdan
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...ding/index.asp

Currently available in...Australia
http://www.nioa.net.au/cat_ammunition/pmc5.asp

J. Y. Dog November 10, 2006 19:05

I bought a fellas stash of ammo of assorted manufs about 3 yrs. ago and there was one battlepack of this in it. havenn't shot any of it yet.I figured 4480 rounds for 350.00 wasn't too bad.About 2800 of it was black tip or orange tip maybe thats where I got rooked.

Maybe I'll try some of it this w'end.

DarkEarth November 15, 2006 22:37

Dont go blasting those orange tipped ones anywhere unless you want to start a fire. Thems probably some tracers.

Oh and heres your gosh derned primers.

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=60401014

hagar November 15, 2006 23:14

Quote:

Originally posted by win308
After I purchased the Hirt ammo, I bought an RCBS Berdan depriming tool and Berdan primers from OLD WESTERN SCROUNGER. They were supposed to have been made for NATO cases...and sure enough, they fit perfectly. The extra step of digging out the Berdan primer was a small pain, but I reloaded several 100s of the cases. The brass was exceptionally consistent in weight and uniform as far as case wall thickness all around.

I bought 5000 of those RWS primers and probably loaded less than 400 ~ 500 rounds using that Hirt brass. One day, when I run out of boxer brass, I might get back into loading berdan cases.....this time it will be the 83 Aussie once fired brass that I have stacking up in the basement.

Moral of the story...if you can find berdan primers, don't be afraid to get into reloading your Hirt brass. Once you get the primer out, it is straight forward, just like boxer brass.

You want to sell me some of those primers? I only need about 500 for loading my Danish 30/06 cases. I used to load berdan all the time when I lived in South Africa, the primers were cheaper by far than boxer and cases were for the taking at the SADF shooting ranges. Come to the FAL shoot in Charlotte, heck stay over at my house in Columbia!

1006587 November 16, 2006 08:10

Before you get all attached to the idea of reloading the 83 Aussie, dig out your tools and try to deprime some. I've tried several methods of depriming that stuff and all I have is mangled brass with a Berdan primer stuck in it. When I tried to water deprime them, the annealed neck of the brass swelled like a balloon and the primer never moved. Whatever they used to seal the primers is strong stuff.

I tried this on several years of Aussie and got the same results.

win308 November 16, 2006 12:38

Next time I'm down in the basement with time on my hands, I'll give a few Aussie empties the challenge to see if their primers can resist the the RCBS depriming tool.....I'll take pix if it works.

Miles

(And I'll hold on to the berdan primers I got...for a rainy day)


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