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lowIQ December 12, 2017 21:51

My first FAL, a Congo.
 
Very glad to report that I just scored my very first Fal. It's a DSA SA58 Congo (18" barrel) model . The seller claims it has a forged upper receiver but I honestly have no idea if it does. Truth be told i won't be too disappointed if it doesn't. The rifle is in excellent condition. According to DSA data, the serial number shows it was manufactured in Oct/2012.

For the last 3 years I'd been patiently waiting for a great deal on a 18" Para but I just never came across one. I have a deep lust for a Para so I'm definitely considering the conversion kit from DSA, but I'll wait to put a few hundred rounds down the range before I commit.

If you guyz see anything suspicious in the photos, please feel free to comment. I'm a newby but I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can from the Forum.

For now, here's a few recent pics of the rifle..:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psaemzs9cp.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...ps6emaz5ox.jpg

cavegeo December 12, 2017 21:55

Nice looking rifle.:fal:

steveTA1983 December 12, 2017 22:58

DSxxxxxxx serial equals forged

DSAxxxxxxx serial equals cast

Capt D December 12, 2017 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveTA1983 (Post 4512845)
DSxxxxxxx serial equals forged

DSAxxxxxxx serial equals cast

DS = forged yes
DSA = some are forged, many not so much (have to call DSA with serial# to verify)

lowIQ December 12, 2017 23:19

Regarding the receiver, I'll call and verify with DSA. My rifle was manufactured in 2012 and has a S# in the low 25K.

Numerous searches tonight have uncovered information suggesting DSA started manufacturing Cast receivers with serial #s in the 29K mark, which were first fabricated and entered the stream of commerce in late 2014 to mid 2015 time frame.

Of course, the info was obtained from the internet. I'm certainly not suggesting this is factual data.

No big whoop if mine turns out to be Cast. :) I'm here to learn and to share my experience with my acute onset of Congolitis.

Ghost December 12, 2017 23:47

I'm betting on cast. My reason is the DSA logo on the ejection side. I noticed that they changed from no outline, to fine line double wall logo, then on the cast one I have it is a much thicker heavier double walled logo, like pi tured here. If you k ow what to look for you can find the signs ofcasting in some places,such as th iside of the mag well, helps to have a known forged for comparison if you dont know what to look for.

lowIQ December 12, 2017 23:58

Roger that, Ghost.

Heck, at this point I just want the darn stick to run well. Everything else is just gravy.

EinheitElf December 13, 2017 01:25

Looks nice!

Couple things-
Izzy mag release
Stg gas plug
Izzy(?) pivot screw assy
Semi auto selector,has the 'beak'
Looks to be a bipod cut barrel...
:whiskey:

lew December 13, 2017 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinheitElf (Post 4512898)
Looks nice!

Couple things-
Izzy mag release
Stg gas plug
Izzy(?) pivot screw assy
Semi auto selector,has the 'beak'
Looks to be a bipod cut barrel...
:whiskey:

Those are all stock DSA parts patterned off of the parts you mentioned.

At any rate, cast or forged, who cares? Great looking rifle. Now shoot the shit out it.:biggrin:

1911Ron December 13, 2017 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by lew (Post 4513050)
At any rate, cast or forged, who cares? Great looking rifle. Now shoot the shit out it.:biggrin:

I agree SHOOT it!!!!:biggrin:

On the Para conversion, i had gone back and forth on converting my riFal and in the end i stuck with the standard stock as i really had no reason to fold the stock, now if you just want the cool factor why not eh? The biggest thing is to SHOOT it! :biggrin::biggrin:

oleblu72 December 13, 2017 14:56

I have a SA58 with a 18" fluted barrel and its birth date is the low 27's and according to DSA its listed as forged.

Mark

lowIQ December 13, 2017 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by lew (Post 4513050)
... Now shoot the shit out it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911Ron (Post 4513149)
...The biggest thing is to SHOOT it!

I intend do this, most definitely. :)

lowIQ December 13, 2017 20:07

Close-up photo of port side.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psuq8ui3an.jpg

ghf December 14, 2017 09:36

I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs (DSA and Imbel receivered).
All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

Thomas December 14, 2017 10:00

18 barrel
 
I built a para with 18 inch barrel. Love it. Not correct for history, but shoot one. Mine shoots better that my full length.
All my parts are Imbel, so all fit.

lew December 14, 2017 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911Ron (Post 4513149)
On the Para conversion, i had gone back and forth on converting my riFal and in the end i stuck with the standard stock as i really had no reason to fold the stock, now if you just want the cool factor why not eh? The biggest thing is to SHOOT it! :biggrin::biggrin:

Everyone needs at least one Para.:biggrin:

lowIQ December 14, 2017 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghf (Post 4513443)
...I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs. All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas (Post 4513448)
...I built a para with 18 inch barrel. Love it. Mine shoots better that my full length.

Very encouraging reports. Thank you.

nwobhm December 14, 2017 15:00

May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

01BIRDDOG December 14, 2017 15:02

Very nice....I had one just like it and sold it here and really miss it now. Shoot and enjoy.

Hebrew Battle Rifle December 14, 2017 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by nwobhm (Post 4513588)
May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

That is excellent counsel. That groove cut by the selector detent is pretty deep.

lowIQ December 14, 2017 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by nwobhm (Post 4513588)
...May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebrew Battle Rifle (Post 4513669)
...That is excellent counsel. That groove cut by the selector detent is pretty deep.

Interesting. Will someone please chime in and explain the potential issues associated with the recall and/or the selector ..?

Thank you.

Tgeorgi2002 December 14, 2017 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowIQ (Post 4513676)
Interesting. Will someone please chime in and explain the potential issues associated with the recall and/or the selector ..?

Thank you.

https://www.dsarms.com/t-safetynotice.aspx

lowIQ December 15, 2017 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tgeorgi2002 (Post 4513741)

Thank you for the link. This issue is somewhat moot for me as the entire lower will most likely be replaced with a para conversion kit from DSA. Should I decide otherwise Iíll definitely look into this a little closer.

Invictus77 December 15, 2017 21:17

I would suggest that ANY potential warranty issues (regardless of item or manufacturer) is best looked into sooner rather than later for a successful resolution. YMMV.

lowIQ December 15, 2017 21:32

I concur. If anything, just to rule out.

kalashniKEV December 17, 2017 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt D (Post 4512851)
DS = forged yes
DSA = some are forged, many not so much (have to call DSA with serial# to verify)

This. I owned a "DSA" prefix that they told me was forged.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghf (Post 4513443)
I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs (DSA and Imbel receivered).
All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

I bought a "no nose" para conversion from DSA and it was junk- front of the top cover would bind the carrier so hard you had to pogo the rifle to charge it.

The grip had pock marks like yours from the injection mold, but nastier, and a seam all around.

The weld on the Rear reinforcement tab had a "peak" to it and I minorly sliced my palm on it, noting that I would need to file it down. Before I got around to it, I somehow managed to snag it on the front of my shirt and rip a nice, big hole!

The thing was possessed by poop devlis...

lowIQ December 17, 2017 20:12

Man, what a nightmare.

lowIQ December 21, 2017 12:24

Update: My Congo was just delivered to the house,..and Iím at work. Arrggg!!

This will be a long afternoon!!

lowIQ December 22, 2017 11:24

Cosmetically, the rifle appears to be in pristine condition. Did not get a chance to do a basic takedown for inspection but will make an effort tonight. Iím afraid a range report will not be forthcoming until after the holidays.

The anticipation will probably be the death of me. :)

I will however try to take a few close-up glamour shots of the Congo and post them soon.

lowIQ December 23, 2017 15:21

Here we go..:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psvdy3zotq.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psrjhrbgzn.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...pswzi3bcuo.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...ps9anjcfk9.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psa32zq8bu.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psmudqz5dd.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...pss2fm2n3q.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psj2glgw1y.jpg

nwobhm December 23, 2017 17:48

Strange looking HG screw....needs a trim.

nwobhm December 23, 2017 17:51

Do I see an inch EB? How about a close up of the bottom of the BHO. I don't recall seeing one like that before.

MFC December 23, 2017 22:53

Not a DSA bolt carrier either (at least I didn't think they ever used ones without the W sand cuts)

lowIQ December 24, 2017 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC (Post 4517399)
Not a DSA bolt carrier either (at least I didn't think they ever used ones without the W sand cuts)

My understanding is that older rifles were offered without a sand-cut BC. Mine was manufactured in 2012.

But regardless, a complete lower para kit including updated bcg will be installed in the near future. I’ll keep the thread active to document it’s transformation.

lowIQ December 30, 2017 18:36

I recently scored a nice set of metal hand guards from a fellow member. They fit perfectly. A Steyr Short FH is on the way, as well.

The only thing left to buy is the Para conversion kit but Iím undecided whether to go with the standard or railed cover. I really dig the look of a plain jane FAL Para without optics, so Iím leaning toward a standard cover.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psuabss9gm.jpg

CQB27 December 30, 2017 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowIQ (Post 4520020)
I recently scored a nice set of metal hand guards from a fellow member. They fit perfectly. A Steyr Short FH is on the way, as well.

The only thing left to buy is the Para conversion kit but Iím undecided whether to go with the standard or railed cover. I really dig the look of a plain jane FAL Para without optics, so Iím leaning toward a standard cover.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/...psuabss9gm.jpg

Looking good! Remember to post pics when you get the para conversion done. I picked up a DSA Para with the railed top cover and railed handguard a few months ago. I promptly traded the para lower for a Imbel standard lower, then sold the railed parts and converted it to look like yours. To each his own, lol.

lowIQ December 30, 2017 19:34

CQB27, why did the Para not appeal to you??

CQB27 December 30, 2017 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowIQ (Post 4520056)
CQB27, why did the Para not appeal to you??

I actually liked the Para look a lot. But I bought the rifle to shoot and when it comes to shooting I much prefer the standard stock. So for me it was nothing more than a personal stock preference.

lowIQ December 30, 2017 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by CQB27 (Post 4520076)
I actually liked the Para look a lot. But I bought the rifle to shoot and when it comes to shooting I much prefer the standard stock. So for me it was nothing more than a personal stock preference.

Copy that.

The Para stock is shorter, thus shorter LOP. I assume recoil harmonics and cheek weld on a steel/aluminum tube will be considerably different from a stock made of plastic or wood. I think the top tube/comb has a slight angle down toward the butt.

lowIQ January 02, 2018 22:48

I'm reaching out for opinions as I'm a little confused as to the type of top cover the rifle has. I've seen hundred of photos and I still cannot determine if I have a Nose or No Nose cover.

The cover has a tip about 1/16" that has to be inserted into the gas piston hood but it only inserts by applying downward pressure on the cover. The subject tip is level with the top of the cover, not below the top like in the photos I've seen.

Also, the hood/walls of the gas piston hood are thick and do not appear to have a Para cut.

I know I'm not making any sense so I'll post a few photos tomorrow. I want/need to confirm before I order the Para Kit.

nwobhm January 03, 2018 04:48

You don't have a nose cut top cover. Those were only for paratroppers. The likelyhood is strong that you don't have a nose cut receiver either but will need a pic to verify.

lowIQ January 03, 2018 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by nwobhm (Post 4521565)
You don't have a nose cut top cover. Those were only for paratroppers. The likelyhood is strong that you don't have a nose cut receiver either but will need a pic to verify.

On The Nosey..! (no pun intended)

I confirmed it with DSA. No nose Top Cover.

douglas January 03, 2018 16:45

Sweet looking rifle. I have always liked the humpback stock.
I hope that you save the plastic hand guards as shooting a bunch of rounds at the range during summer time in Corpus the metal one tend to get plenty hot.

Texgunner January 03, 2018 17:02

Nice rifle, great pics! :bow:

lowIQ January 03, 2018 23:02

Thanks for the kind words, folks.

She's coming along pretty good. Today I received the steyr short FH that was recently purchased from a fellow member. I really like the look of it and it shortened the total length of the rifle by about an inch.

Just ordered a folding cocking handle assembly from DSA. The Para Kit will be ordered next week.

792mauser January 04, 2018 03:03

Purdy looking rifle.

eternal24k January 05, 2018 08:58

Surprised you are building into a Para and added the metal handguards.

I think the lighter HGs balance a lot better on a para

lowIQ January 05, 2018 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by eternal24k (Post 4522381)
Surprised you are building into a Para and added the metal handguards.

I think the lighter HGs balance a lot better on a para

I don't know what it is about the metal HGs, but I really like the look.

Only major drawback as already mentioned by a fellow member, is heat retention and So. Texas summers are hotter than the deepest pit in hell..!!

moonbat60 January 06, 2018 09:42

Regarding Paras, if you dontít like the feel of cheekweld against the metal tube of the Paraís buttstock, wrap some fabric around it, or paracord or, like I did, go to a home improvement store and look for some of this grey pipe insulation
foam.

It makes quite a bit of a difference.

I run my Para with a DSA railed top cover and like it lots.

lowIQ January 06, 2018 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by moonbat60 (Post 4522882)
Regarding Paras, if you dontít like the feel of cheekweld against the metal tube of the Paraís buttstock, wrap some fabric around it, or paracord or, like I did, go to a home improvement store and look for some of this grey pipe insulation
foam.

It makes quite a bit of a difference.

I run my Para with a DSA railed top cover and like it lots.

Hey Moon. Thank you very much for the advice!

Full disclosure: I actually have a side biz making/selling cheek risers for the Beretta ARX 100/160 model rifles. Mine are the only riser(s) currently availble for the Beretta.

I intend to incorporate some the features found on my ďCR2 risersĒ, into the development of a cheek rest specifically designed for the Para Stock.

The prototype (FP1) will be unveiled in this Thread in the near future.


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