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Will C November 28, 2017 22:27

Remington Model 11 Project - Dive In or Run Away?
 
Local guy is selling an old, well-used Model 11 that dates to 1913. Externally it's in fine shape and it still functions. However it has a couple of the usual problems: the recoil buffer is gone, and the bolt is cracked in a couple spots in the left rear quadrant. No chunks missing but I'm not sure if the hairline cracks merit bolt replacement? The buffer looks like a pain to replace, and I'm not sure how much trouble it is to swap out the bolt in one of these either. The parts are out there and it's a super cool old gun, it would be neat to get it out on the duck flats again (with some bismuth or tungsten perhaps). Guy is asking $150 for the old girl. What says the hive - go for it, or run away?

pl521 November 29, 2017 00:44

If you need to replace the bolt or any major part, I'd run away - it's going to be difficult and expensive to find another bolt for any 100+ year old gun.

VALMET November 29, 2017 05:44

If it’s a “super cool old gun” to you, at $150, go for it.

flopshot November 29, 2017 07:14

Might be able to help you with the parts. Check Hog Island Gun Parts on EBAY. if there's not one listed I' look this weekend. I'm out of town this week.

chino*74 November 29, 2017 08:59

That's a pretty old Rem 11. I have one about 1940's vintage. Ur's also has that weird trigger activated safety I think., they did away w that on later models. As a collectable get it., if U want to fix it all up & shoot it U can get a later model with better parts availablilty for less than $350 if U look around. Cracked bolt & replace the buffer plus he wants $150? I would pass.

chino*74 November 29, 2017 09:06

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Originally Posted by chino*74 (Post 4507004)
That's a pretty old Rem 11. I have one about 1940's vintage. Ur's also has that weird trigger activated safety I think., they did away w that on later models. As a collectable get it., if U want to fix it all up & shoot it U can get a later model with better parts availablilty for less than $350 if U look around. Cracked bolt & replace the buffer plus he wants $150? I would pass.

And yes, replacing the buffer pad requires a complete disassembly of the shotgun & drilling out the old rivet remnants, replacing the pad & installing w the rivet.

Story November 29, 2017 10:29

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Originally Posted by chino*74 (Post 4507005)
And yes, replacing the buffer pad requires a complete disassembly of the shotgun & drilling out the old rivet remnants, replacing the pad & installing w the rivet.

WECSOG rite-of-passage.
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Originally Posted by Will C (Post 4506902)
Guy is asking $150 for the old girl. What says the hive - go for it, or run away?

Buy this shotgun.
Do this overhaul.
Take pics.
Share.

chino*74 November 29, 2017 11:05

Nice charging knob mod. I have ripped my flesh a few times on that receiver slot using the OEM charging handle. LOL.

Nihonto Chicken November 30, 2017 17:12

I have a fondness for the old Browning designed and derived shotguns myself (as Winchester 97, Remington Model 11, Savage 7xx, and Stevens 520/620). That said, the item under consideration here is worth maybe $150 as a wall hanger to someone who is particularly charmed by it, but not worth it as a shooter or a fixer-upper collectible. Any money put into this shotgun will likely be non-recoverable later on. I'd advise waiting for a better representative at perhaps a few more dollars, but that's JMHO. Best of fortune, whatever your decision! :smile:

MAINER December 01, 2017 10:40

"Super cool old gun".

Well of course you need that old Remy 11, go get that thing! :D
It will never be worth anything, but what does that have to do with a gunny project? :]

My old "super cool" shotgun is a Sears Model 20 pump that turned out to be made by High Standard's version of a Win M 12 back in the day when craftsmanship was in vogue and plastic and alloy were nearly unheard of. Paid $175 for the Pogue and just hope nothing breaks. :sad:

I would try finding a replacement Bolt before committing to buy if it were me. The Buffer Pad is a "Fiber Washer"? that could likely be homemade if not available.

There was a Tech Manual, TM 9-285, covering this and other Shotty's used by the gov't. at the time. It's pretty old, 1942 or thereabout, but maybe reprints are to be found, if not, Steve's pages might have it.

Good luck.

Nihonto Chicken December 01, 2017 14:49

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Originally Posted by MAINER (Post 4508042)
There was a Tech Manual, TM 9-285, covering this and other Shotty's used by the gov't. at the time. It's pretty old, 1942 or thereabout, but maybe reprints are to be found, if not, Steve's pages might have it.

Here is a link to an on-line copy of the mentioned manual, a very useful reference!

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/car...9_285_1942.pdf

Will C December 01, 2017 20:03

I'm leaning toward getting it provided I can find the parts at reasonable cost. Buffers and rivets are available cheap from numerous sources, the bolt not so much. Emailed Popperts about one they show in stock but no response yet. Maybe flopshot can steer me in the right direction on a replacement bolt? The one I would need has the firing pin with rectangular cross section.

VALMET December 01, 2017 20:33

Keep us posted, good luck

bulletslap December 01, 2017 20:48

I own a Remington Automatic shotgun, prior to the nomenclature being changed to the Model 11, so it is pre 1911, one of my favorite 12 guages.

srinde December 02, 2017 06:38

I have a Winchester 1911 "widow maker" . The Remington would be a better gun.

flopshot December 02, 2017 07:00

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Originally Posted by Will C (Post 4508288)
I'm leaning toward getting it provided I can find the parts at reasonable cost. Buffers and rivets are available cheap from numerous sources, the bolt not so much. Emailed Popperts about one they show in stock but no response yet. Maybe flopshot can steer me in the right direction on a replacement bolt? The one I would need has the firing pin with rectangular cross section.

i'm going to try to look today. the shop is a mess with the last load we brought in, the new web site is being a little bitch, and the new building is formed up for a monday pour. not enough days in the week. the B.I.L. seems to think we have one.

flopshot December 02, 2017 11:13

Will, can you use a round pin bolt ? we have the pin and spring as well.

this is what it looks like: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1269460

0302 December 06, 2017 20:26

i would offer a $100.

Will C December 13, 2017 01:46

I couldn't determine if the parts flopshot offered would work. Finally found a source that has replacement bolt body with the square firing pin and got it on order along with some 12 gauge go/no go gauges. The replacement bolt may drop in and fit just fine, but the gauges should tell me if anything's goofy. I work on enough old shotguns for myself, friends and neighbors that it was time to get a set of headspace gauges for my shotgun kit. So even if the model 11 doesn't pan out I will still have a use for those tools. And worse comes to worse, I could part the gun out and make back what little investment I'd have in it. Will post again once I get further along in the project.

flopshot December 13, 2017 05:32

glad you found your parts. gradually assembling an 11-48 as i come across the parts. might even resurrect a widow maker to hang on the wall. love old shotguns.

Will C December 30, 2017 20:44

So here's an update on the Model 11 saga. The replacement bolt arrived last weekend, only problem is that it's cut for the round firing pin instead of the square one. :facepalm: I called the parts dealer on Tuesday to request a return and ask for them to ship the correct part, after which I heard some boxes rustling and other assorted fumblefuxxing around. Then "what's your number, we'll call you back when we find it." Needless to say I haven't heard back yet. So I'm beginning to get the feeling that my planned Model 11 restoration project perhaps isn't meant to be. I'm not giving up yet but it isn't looking good at this point.

Invictus77 December 30, 2017 20:49

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Originally Posted by Will C (Post 4520085)
I heard some boxes rustling and other assorted fumblefuxxing around

Ouch!

Still hope though.....

VALMET January 09, 2018 14:22

Sucks about the replacement bolt- good luck with it moving forward

biyf January 22, 2018 14:40

I grabbed what I think is an early Model 11 locally over the weekend for $100. It looks a little different than my 1937 Model 11 - no markings on receiver other than the SN on the underside of the receiver forward of the loading port. No markings on the barrel either other than "proof fired" or some such. Should be a relatively easy fix (I hope) as the recoil spring is binding between the receiver extension and the recoil spring tube due to the tube being bent by a too-long screw being used to hold the stock in.

Now how do I get the recoil tube out for replacement? I was able to spin/loosen it but it still won't come out. Maybe need to put more "ass" into it? :D

Will C February 07, 2018 01:20

Update
 
So out of the blue last Thursday the parts dealer calls me and tells me that they finally found the correct bolt and are shipping it to me free of charge. They are sending me a return box to send them back the round cut bolt. I really never expected to hear from those guys again, maybe they aren't so bad after all. So...if this by chance comes to pass and I get the correct bolt (forgive me for being a bit skeptical here) my Model 11 project may get back on track.

biyf February 07, 2018 13:57

I discovered this latest project I got is actually an early Browning, or at least the receiver is. The rest of it seems to be all aftermarket stuff - weird.

Took apart the old Remington Model 11 I've had for years (never had it apart before) and discovered buffer was missing and the bolt is cracked along the left rear of the bolt where the rail rides in the receiver. Might be fine like that but I think I'd like to replace the bolt to be on the safe side.

If you don't mind would you share the parts dealer's information via PM so I can contact them and maybe buy the bolt you couldn't use?

VALMET February 10, 2018 08:57

Great news OP- hopefully that’s the last obstacle to get that old Remington back up and running.


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