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Timber Wolf November 26, 2017 21:10

School me doing an SBR
 
The paperwork part for our rich uncle that is. I can handle hacking the barrel off.:). I have (or will have) a suitable candidate for a shorty. Still all legit and stuff, just thinking on it. So, I get some forms from somewhere, get some pictures and finger prints, fill out the paperwork and send it all off with some coin and wait? Any little trips/tricks I should know?:confused:

rbgonoles November 26, 2017 22:35

I read his tutorial

http://johnpierceesq.com/the-complet...he-new-form-1/

K. Funk November 26, 2017 23:38

Pretty simple, I just did 2. They got approved in about 6-7 months. Will you be doing it as an individual? If you have any specific questions, PM me any time.

krf

hueyville November 27, 2017 12:18

If willing to pin or tack weld your can only have to do a single form on can if reach 16".

http://i63.tinypic.com/2lkffpc.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/e155lk.jpg

fnogger November 27, 2017 21:04

Before dropping the $200 on the stamp plus other associated costs, and living with a restricted item, ask yourself "Why do I want a SBR?" and decide what you will really do iwth it.

The guys spending $ and time waiting to do a 14.5" barrel are in my opinion missing something. If you are low drag high speed enough that that 1.5" difference makes a difference, then you are being issued one with a shorter barrel and happy switch anyway.

Now if I had the time and extra $ I could see SBRing a 9mm AR and using a full stock and a 4-8 inch barrel and it being fun....

hueyville December 01, 2017 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnogger (Post 4506507)
Before dropping the $200 on the stamp plus other associated costs, and living with a restricted item, ask yourself "Why do I want a SBR?" and decide what you will really do iwth it.

The guys spending $ and time waiting to do a 14.5" barrel are in my opinion missing something. If you are low drag high speed enough that that 1.5" difference makes a difference, then you are being issued one with a shorter barrel and happy switch anyway.

Now if I had the time and extra $ I could see SBRing a 9mm AR and using a full stock and a 4-8 inch barrel and it being fun....

Second most popular barrel length on the Ponderosa is 14.5/14.7" with pinned suppressor adapters and pIle of multicaliber quick change cans. Keep suppressor in briefcase and carry 14.7" rifle as truck rifle often. That way if go in doc office or church can is not left in truck where a snatch and grab might get it before alarm gets me to truck. Favorite length barrel is 18" but is not very handy once add a can. I shoot with cans on rifles more than without. Trying to keep what's left of my hearing and even goof muffs don't repel all the noise and pressure.

Some might look at setup above and ask why have a crush washer between can and shoulder of barrel. If decide to move can it's super easy to use cut off wheel and chop into washer at each of four tack welds without messing up shoulder of barrel, threads with a blind pin or suppressor. Little bit of weld left on can and barrel are easily cleaned up with a grinder and then both look unmolested. If don't want to run a can a Noveske Flaming Pig with crush washer on 12.5" barrel comes out 16.15" as an FYI. Have a 13.7" barrel trying to get up to 16" with AAC 51T Ratchet Mount suppressor adapter but looks like will have to drop a 1/2" to 5/8" thread adapter between the two to get 16". Will still be sightly shorter than a 14.7" with same adapter but only by about 2/10".

PBR Streetgang December 01, 2017 11:20

Pistol with a brace is cheaper and easier.

hkshooter December 02, 2017 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBR Streetgang (Post 4508059)
Pistol with a brace is cheaper and easier.

I've seen braces cost more than a stamp.

Falfan2017 December 02, 2017 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkshooter (Post 4508733)
I've seen braces cost more than a stamp.

Look at outdoor sports USA. They sell the kak brace kit with pistol buffer and lower parts kit pretty cheap. Not much different in ergonomics from a stock.

Falfan2017 December 02, 2017 22:07

https://outdoorsportsusa.com/AR-15-O...scription=true

99$ kit trigger and lower parts kit and buffer tube brace and everything.

I got no affiliation with that company but I built a pistol with that kit and was very happy with how it turned out.

Ky December 05, 2017 15:18

Processing time has gotten better. I mailed a Form 1 on 6-22 it was approved on 11-29.

downsouth December 08, 2017 20:32

Did you file as an individual? My trust stamps take a year.

2barearms December 08, 2017 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falfan2017 (Post 4508779)
https://outdoorsportsusa.com/AR-15-O...scription=true

99$ kit trigger and lower parts kit and buffer tube brace and everything.

I got no affiliation with that company but I built a pistol with that kit and was very happy with how it turned out.


I have one of those on my Noveske 7.62x39. Kicks my ass every time. Shockwave is definitely the correct name......if you shoulder it expect some
bruising. The sig stock is going on that and the 300 BO pistol.

hueyville December 10, 2017 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2barearms (Post 4511253)
I have one of those on my Noveske 7.62x39. Kicks my ass every time. Shockwave is definitely the correct name......if you shoulder it expect some
bruising. The sig stock is going on that and the 300 BO pistol.

Had someone give me a Shockwave pistol kit. Tube, spring and buffer, maybe that's the reason. They went ahead and swapped to rifle stock then pinned a device to get it to rifle length. Asked them if wanted their original parts back and the brace was only part they took. That might be my clue that if use it maybe slap it on a 5.728 upper.

Falfan2017 December 10, 2017 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by hueyville (Post 4511816)
Had someone give me a Shockwave pistol kit. Tube, spring and buffer, maybe that's the reason. They went ahead and swapped to rifle stock then pinned a device to get it to rifle length. Asked them if wanted their original parts back and the brace was only part they took. That might be my clue that if use it maybe slap it on a 5.728 upper.

Ya I put it on a 7.62x39 pistol as well. 10" barrel. The shockwave is sharp in the back and digs into your shoulder. It's not too bad though. Feels like lighter recoil than a 308

Ky December 13, 2017 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by downsouth (Post 4511220)
Did you file as an individual? My trust stamps take a year.

Yes, I filed as an individual.

hueyville December 13, 2017 12:43

About to do two more one stamp SBR's and shopping suppressors. Want shortest direct thread sealed cans possible. One is going on 12.5" barrel, other is going on 13.7" barrel. Looking at some of the 4" to 5" options currently. Found some shorter but price is out of my range for the new high tech under 4" cans. For the 13.7" considering a "moderator" that reduces sound signature but about 10 dB louder than most suppressors. Some have looked at are short, in my budget and on the 13.7" if can reduce sound and blast without it getting too long will sacrifice hearing safe. Anyone own any of the super short rifle cans or moderators? Plan to buy 30 caliber but both going on 6.8 rifles and will be "pinned" to avoid a second stamp.

jhend170 December 14, 2017 10:58

Before you drop the $$$ on the stamp (never mind the wait time) give these a look. One of the goodies I've asked for Santa to bring me. Comes in adjustable and a fixed versions, is rigid, and seems to ACTUALLY be purposeful, were you to have a hand injured (or wanted to go full Rambo and have one on each arm!). I think the adjustable versions work with their own tube, the fixed ones will clamp onto about any standard pistol tube.

Other than the can this essentially eliminated the need for an SBR'd AR. The stamp really gains you nothing.

Adjustable:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...1/TailHook.jpg

Fixed:
http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content...15_DSC3147.jpg


https://www.swatmag.com/article/embr...-pistol-brace/

Seriously though, the SBR is all about having a "stock" on a pistol-length firearm, right? Well this isn't a "stock" but I've used other things as hammers quite effectively too.

Baltimoreed January 11, 2018 18:11

I thought that I needed to use a class 3 dealer/smith to build a AR.45sbr with a forward charging handle. He kept my rifle with the extra parts for a year, never did the work and lost some parts. The new owners reimbursed me for the lost parts but they couldn't/wouldn't do the work. Short story, I built my own fch, cut and hand crowned my own bbl. turned out great. Of course had my paperwork when I dropped off the gun. Sometimes you just gotta take the bull by the horns.

Artful January 12, 2018 22:22

I'm waiting to find out more about this...
https://www.franklinarmory.com/

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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...o-sbr-11-5-ar/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...C-660x336.jpeg
REFORMATION: Franklin Armory Hacks The NFA With NO SBR 11.5” AR

Franklin Armory just announced the Reformation – an 11.5 inch barreled AR15 with a stock that does not require an NFA Tax Stamp. Would you like to know the secret? Are you ready? Lean in really close to your computer/mobile device/teletype machine:

I HAVE NO CLUE HOW THE REFORMATION GET AROUND BEING AN NFA FIREARM.

But I made a few guesses, as did other staff here at TFB. Here goes:

Smoothbore barrel – averts rifle definition?
26” OAL with a barrel less than 16” – averts rifle definition?
One pull of the trigger, one round fires – averts rifle definition?
As it stands now, we will all be forced to make guesses for about a week – Franklin Armory isn’t releasing any information until the Industry Range Day on the Sunday before SHOT. So let’s hear your guesses in the comments section below.

Herr Walther January 12, 2018 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkshooter (Post 4508733)
I've seen braces cost more than a stamp.

Three times as much.

jhend170 January 18, 2018 12:08

FYI I received my Tailhook Mod 1 a few days ago. Love the thing. Didn't think I'd ever say it but it DOES work as an actual brace, My AR pistol is quite nose heavy, and if injured I'm certain I could continue to fight with it 1 handed.

As for shouldering it though, while I'd NEVER do such a thing :wink: (GFY ATF) it appears it would work QUITE well in that capacity. :eyebrows:


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