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raubvogel July 07, 2018 05:17

Old down ejecting pump shotgun
 
Many years ago I had the opportunity, but not the money, to get a very old (think early 20th Century) looking pump shotgun. What made it unique was it ejected to the bottom instead of to the side. With this vague description in mind, does anyone know what it could be or have pictures so i can go "Aha! That's it!"?

akinnepa July 07, 2018 05:40

Ithaca model 37?

1769 July 07, 2018 06:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by akinnepa (Post 4604838)
Ithaca model 37?

Yup, and IMHO, one of the best pump shotguns ever made.

Gazz July 07, 2018 06:25

The Ithaca 37 is based on a Remington model 17 and 29, also bottom eject. I also seem to recall that it is originally a Browning design. The Remington model 10 is also a bottom eject but has a very different feeding system.

J. Armstrong July 07, 2018 07:13

And no disconnecter :biggrin:

richbug July 07, 2018 07:22

I have a Remington 10 that I would sell if money issues have cleared themselves up for you...

Bought it for my southpaw son, but he has decided he owns one of my 37s.

gunners July 07, 2018 13:12

Remington bought the patent's in 1917 and Ithaca waited the twenty year's until they ran out then in 1937 introduced the model 37. Carried by the point man on SEAL team's in 'Nam.

idsubgun July 07, 2018 14:58

I've got one of the first pump shotguns made, but for the life of me I can't recall the manufacturer and I'm not home right now to see what it is.

It was made in the 1890's, I think, and the action is HUGE!! And I'm pretty sure it ejects the shotshells down, out the bottom.

I tried finding a photo of one like it online but can't find one.

gunners July 07, 2018 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by idsubgun (Post 4604989)
I've got one of the first pump shotguns made, but for the life of me I can't recall the manufacturer and I'm not home right now to see what it is.

It was made in the 1890's, I think, and the action is HUGE!! And I'm pretty sure it ejects the shotshells down, out the bottom.

I tried finding a photo of one like it online but can't find one.

Sounds very cool! Will you please post picture's when you are home?

Gazz July 07, 2018 19:02

Spencer made a pump shotgun. I've never seen one though -
http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/spencer-shotgun.htm
Burgess also made a pump shotgun which folded in half and appears to have bottom ejection. Do a search for early pump shotguns for all kinds of pictures.

raubvogel July 07, 2018 21:52

I thought the pump shotgun was invented by Browning

I will look for the pictures of those shotguns you all mentioned to see if any juggles my memory

hokey45 July 08, 2018 01:04

If it was an Ithaca you saw then fret not as they can still be had:

https://ithacagun.com/

idsubgun July 08, 2018 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazz (Post 4605070)
Spencer made a pump shotgun. I've never seen one though -
http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/spencer-shotgun.htm
Burgess also made a pump shotgun which folded in half and appears to have bottom ejection. Do a search for early pump shotguns for all kinds of pictures.

Yeah, I saw the photos of the Spencer and it looks like it may be it. I'll have to dig it out when I get home.

lew July 08, 2018 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunners (Post 4604965)
Remington bought the patent's in 1917 and Ithaca waited the twenty year's until they ran out then in 1937 introduced the model 37. Carried by the point man on SEAL team's in 'Nam.

Most preferred a Stoner or an M-16 carbine of some flavor.

fal762 July 09, 2018 22:55

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"Point Man" by James "Patches" Watson is about his time in Vietnam. He would carry a 37 with a duckbill attachment.
The duckbill is nice. I have one on a 500 and at 7yds it makes a nice horizontal pattern. About a foot high an three to four feet horizontal pattern IIRC, been quite a while since I've shot it.

Bawana jim July 10, 2018 00:00

I had an Ithaca 37 in the late 70s, it was the Deer Slayer. They got in trouble copying the name and had to change it. Mine had a short barrel and rifle sights and I loved the gun. When it started to fail you would pump the action and one shell would feed and the next shell in the tube would go out on the ground.

A spring problem and once I got it fixed a friend got the gun from me. Great gun, around here some areas in deer season were slug or buckshot only. The 37 fit the area.

TenTea July 10, 2018 06:37

Pic of M37, in country.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/med...aca37_lead.jpg

I know a VN Army vet who recounts carrying a Remington 870, while walking point, on patrol in the jungle. He told me he was more confident in the shotgun's ability to get the job done, under those circumstances, and preferred it over an M16.

I had a US Property Stevens 620 during my collecting days. I repaired it and shot it for awhile.
Here are some illustrative shrouds.

http://www.partsforantiqueguns.com/get-attachment3.jpg

J. Armstrong July 10, 2018 08:10

Were any of the Remingtons available in 20 ga ? I'm thinking the model 10 was 12 ga only, but could easily be misremembering.

I ask because as a small runt my Dad had a bottom eject 20, not an Ithaca, and I've always wondered what it was. Wouldn't mind finding one just for old times' sake.

idsubgun July 12, 2018 12:26

It turns out to be a Spencer Arms pump shotgun, Model 1896, manufactured by F. Bannermann Manufacturer New York U.S.A.

Weird design and action, for sure. I haven't looked closely at it, and haven't understood exactly how it works. I guess I could load a 3 1/2" goose load in it and give it a try! LOL!! (That's a joke, BTW)

Beautiful swirl in the Damascus barrel! And beautiful wood in the butt stock!! It does have a broken butt plate. Wonder how hard it is to find one of those? lol

There are a bunch of photos in my Imgur album:

https://imgur.com/a/MV28tgG




http://i.imgur.com/paGRyfah.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dNgu6fjh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jlDzRoel.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hjCufwMl.jpg

TenTea July 12, 2018 12:43

Anything Bannerman is cool stuff!
It all started by buying up Civil War surplus from the dot gov...and led to a huge powder magazine in Manhattan...which led to an island castle and an empire.

*They* ought to make a movie!

https://www.wendyperrin.com/wp-conte...o-1961-770.jpg

Found some neat pics.

https://picturearchive.gunauction.co...a00ef778c0.jpg

https://picturearchive.gunauction.co...a1de4b32a0.jpg

jhend170 July 12, 2018 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TenTea (Post 4606080)
Pic of M37, in country.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/med...aca37_lead.jpg

I know a VN Army vet who recounts carrying a Remington 870, while walking point, on patrol in the jungle. He told me he was more confident in the shotgun's ability to get the job done, under those circumstances, and preferred it over an M16.

I had a US Property Stevens 620 during my collecting days. I repaired it and shot it for awhile.
Here are some illustrative shrouds.

http://www.partsforantiqueguns.com/get-attachment3.jpg

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but while on the subject of these old SGs if anyone's looking to put a Rem 10 together I have a pretty decent receiver as a starting point. PM me an offer.

To the Ithaca 37 though, it was a Godsend as a lefty. I have a 12 and a 20 that have both killed quite a few geese, dove, and clays. Love that design.

The modern iteration that a lot of folks don't realize though is the Kel-Tec KSG is a very updated version of the design. Again, bottom feeding and ejecting, but from 2 tubes instead of just 1. A simple switch and you have vanilla or chocolate.

fal762 July 12, 2018 14:12

There's a Spencer on Gunbroker right now. Penny start auction.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/779264633

Riversidesports July 12, 2018 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong (Post 4606115)
Were any of the Remingtons available in 20 ga ? I'm thinking the model 10 was 12 ga only, but could easily be misremembering.

I ask because as a small runt my Dad had a bottom eject 20, not an Ithaca, and I've always wondered what it was. Wouldn't mind finding one just for old times' sake.

Model 17

Remington's custom shop would make you one with a pistol grip and 10" bbl up into the early 30s.
I will snap a pic of an original grip in a bit

Riversidesports July 12, 2018 20:07

Okay

couple examples:

Top one is a 1920s M17 Remington grip. These things are quite rare

Bottom is a late 19th century Remington 20 gauge pistol, no barrel. Have a nice chunk of rifled 20 bore barrel. Would make a heck of an American Howdah to ambush murder bambi from a tree stand

http://i67.tinypic.com/2namb07.jpg

both are extremely rare things
sorry on the shitty pix

sniperdoc July 12, 2018 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by idsubgun (Post 4607224)
It turns out to be a Spencer Arms pump shotgun, Model 1896, manufactured by F. Bannermann Manufacturer New York U.S.A.

Weird design and action, for sure. I haven't looked closely at it, and haven't understood exactly how it works. I guess I could load a 3 1/2" goose load in it and give it a try! LOL!! (That's a joke, BTW)

Beautiful swirl in the Damascus barrel! And beautiful wood in the butt stock!! It does have a broken butt plate. Wonder how hard it is to find one of those? lol

There are a bunch of photos in my Imgur album:

https://imgur.com/a/MV28tgG




http://i.imgur.com/paGRyfah.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dNgu6fjh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jlDzRoel.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hjCufwMl.jpg

Try Dixie Gun Works for the buttplate.

sniperdoc July 12, 2018 23:04

Back in the early-mid 80s, there was a local hunter that had a bottom ejecting shotgun, new at the time. Browning, IIRC.

ALL FAL July 26, 2018 00:13

Model 37 Ithica is one favorite and Win Model 12's
 
I'd like to find a beat up 37 for special purpose.

raubvogel July 26, 2018 12:40

After looking at all of those pictures, I think it was a Model 10. With that said, that Spencer looked very neat.

SmokeEater2 July 26, 2018 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by hokey45 (Post 4605172)
If it was an Ithaca you saw then fret not as they can still be had:

https://ithacagun.com/



Used model 37's can be found fairly cheap on GB sometimes. I picked up a 20 gauge a few years ago and they are very nice handling shotguns.

I've been tempted by the new offerings too.


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