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C2A1 March 31, 2017 12:01

Marine corp selects HK 416
 
http://www.shotbusiness.com/usmc-awa...-at-the-range/
They are going to replace the combat site also (HK will use who ever produces the scope with this set up as the DMR). Monday, I have the folks in the office with the new reticle design. I have shot it and it is very neat. The Army is also looking at it seriously.

Thorack March 31, 2017 15:47

Well,

As problematic as the M-249 SAW is, replacing it with a rifle that isnt belt fed, and lacks quick change barrel, doesnt seem too smart for a weapon used for suppressive fire.

Glad the Marines are gonna test it.

Thorack

Jarhead504 March 31, 2017 22:43

HK sux goat nutz. They HATE the idea of civilians owning guns. I sold my HK91 to buy a FAL. I wouldn't own another one. There are too many "pro-gun" gun companies out there to buy HK. To Hell with them.

Jarhead

187 April 01, 2017 07:29

How does that replace a belt fed weapon, with a quick change barrel and 200 round belt capacity?

hkshooter April 01, 2017 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarhead504 (Post 4399268)
HK sux goat nutz. They HATE the idea of civilians owning guns. I sold my HK91 to but a FAL. I wouldn't own another one. There are too many "pro-gun" gun companies out there to buy HK. To Hell with them.

Jarhead

Yeah. I suppose that's why they have always developed and sold civilian versions of most of their military rifles, too. One you even admit to owning. That should not exist. Because they hate you.
So much hate, so little knowledge.

rbgonoles April 01, 2017 08:15

Didn't the US military try to adopt a "one rifle does it all" before. Think they called it the M14. Was supposed to replace the BAR, Thompson/Grease Gun and Garand. That worked out as they hoped.

0302 April 01, 2017 12:02

urban combat is much different than traditional non-urban combat where a beltfed is an essential part of the infantry platoon in the attack & defense. a platoon attack has a scheme maneuver & fire support plan. a platoon is supposed to have 9 saws, one per fireteam, which is a lot of firepower, which are used in the fire support plan. but mobility is very important in urban & a belt fed is awkward & slow. belt feds are prone to malfunction & at close urban ranges that could be fatal. but if ur in a defensive pos & there are gooks in the wire every swingin dick wants a belt fed. so mett t s&l should apply but the usmc is cheap. the new hk should be issued to all infantry.

KIT April 01, 2017 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by 187 (Post 4399355)
How does that replace a belt fed weapon, with a quick change barrel and 200 round belt capacity?


It does not ................................


-KIT-

0302 April 01, 2017 17:16

the m27 & saw
 
https://youtu.be/VuiJiR0ZTAg

https://youtu.be/g8sa8QFNEGI

not having belt fed macine guns wouldbe kind of odd......cause yanno the bad guys have them.......

Thorack April 01, 2017 18:59

Well,

Done some urban patrols, and if I was truly worried about CQB and wanted to procure something just for urban environments and CQB I would buy a subgun.

Again Im glad the Marines get to test less is less in combat.

Thorack

Tuhlmann April 01, 2017 19:19

Where will these be made?

hkshooter April 01, 2017 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuhlmann (Post 4399733)
Where will these be made?

I'm guessing in the plant HK is building in Georgia.
IIRC, arms used by the US military must be made domestically and is why Glock, FN, and Beretta have facilities in the US.

Tuhlmann April 02, 2017 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkshooter (Post 4399767)
I'm guessing in the plant HK is building in Georgia.
IIRC, arms used by the US military must be made domestically and is why Glock, FN, and Beretta have facilities in the US.

That's my understanding too, and why I asked. I didn't know they were building in GA. Interesting....

abbynormal April 02, 2017 20:19

I wanna see this turd go thru Congressional budget analysis!

They need to have a belt fed 12 Ga. full auto shotty for urban warfare in the arsenal!

CG&L April 02, 2017 20:42

It looks like a fairly standard AR with a piston. Not really sure a piston is an improvement.

The grip, stock and hand guard look hokey. The barrel on the HK isn't any better than the barrels on my ARs. Some of my barrels were even made in Germany.

No way to adjust the gas on the HK. All my ARs have an adjustable gas block, a better stock, and a better hand guard.

What's the price of the HK? Probably around $4,000
A full blown custom AR will run around $1,100 and it would be a better rifle.

moonbat60 April 02, 2017 21:10

The best bet would have been doing some research into the flaws and weak points of the 249 and getting those taken care of. In short: product improvement.

lew April 04, 2017 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbynormal (Post 4400262)
I wanna see this turd go thru Congressional budget analysis!

They need to have a belt fed 12 Ga. full auto shotty for urban warfare in the arsenal!

So you've first-hand experience with this rifle, enough to knowledgeably label it a "turd"?

I'm no HK fan, but the USMC seems to be very satisfied with their current HK rifles.

TOWS220 April 21, 2017 05:53

This happened 5 years ago, just saying.

Now the talk is moving all grunt from m4/m16 to IAR(HK416).

Not a bad gun. Runs clean, accurate as shit (they put the scope from the mk12 on them and utilized them as DMR's as well in Afghan), more reliable than a few of the problem child 249's that I have dealt with.

The only issue is feeding the beast, gunners carry around 21 mags for it. Those 30 rounders run out fast, even with conservative bursts.

Impala_Guy April 21, 2017 21:21

Waste of money. The m4s that FN are making here in South Cackalackey are as good a 556 carbine as there ever will be, until they come out with a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. FNs chrome lined barrels for civies are the shizz. Go watch IV888s video on an AR meltdown from continuous fire. It takes 2 to 3 times more ammo than the typical loadout one man is likely to carry, fired continously, to burn out Stoners baby. And that's in a frankengun.

michael_g927 April 29, 2017 22:35

Gene did a great job on his rifle. The A2 wasnt called the cadillac of the battlefield for nothing!
I agree the gubment pattern "M16" type rifles are good as ever needed. I say that having preference for the piston rifle, but own both types.

0302 April 29, 2017 23:04

all grunts should have the hk416, our troops deserve better than "good enough", direct gas sucks, always has for hard use

Jarhead504 April 30, 2017 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkshooter (Post 4399360)
Yeah. I suppose that's why they have always developed and sold civilian versions of most of their military rifles, too. One you even admit to owning. That should not exist. Because they hate you.
So much hate, so little knowledge.

That was back in 1979. Tell me, why did they state that they still disapprove of civilians owning firearms yet they sell them to civilians? Let me guess; money??

So many questions, so few answers. Please let us know.

Jarhead

hkshooter April 30, 2017 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarhead504 (Post 4414902)
That was back in 1979. Tell me, why did they state that they still disapprove of civilians owning firearms yet they sell them to civilians? Let me guess; money??

So many questions, so few answers. Please let us know.

Jarhead

So nice of you to answer your own question. My work is done here.

gordonm1 April 30, 2017 18:40

That took a long time to reload the SAW in the vid.

0302 May 01, 2017 01:03

there is no speed reload for the saw ammo belt.

lew May 01, 2017 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael_g927 (Post 4414652)
Gene did a great job on his rifle. The A2 wasnt called the cadillac of the battlefield for nothing!
I agree the gubment pattern "M16" type rifles are good as ever needed. I say that having preference for the piston rifle, but own both types.

I take it you've never shouldered an A2 while wearing body armor. I have monkey arms, and that stock is still too long for me if I'm wearing my plates.


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