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JeffJ December 11, 2012 19:41

Shooting at a mall..AR15
 
Well another AR15 used in a mass shooting with body armor and once again the gun jammed...get ready because you know what's coming...

JohnnyMac December 11, 2012 19:52

Some lunatic just handed Obama a "good crisis not to be wasted"...

Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pe-Lousy are probably salivating as we speak.

JMc

357ross December 11, 2012 19:57

Must be another gun control vote scheduled...

gates December 11, 2012 20:17

people are going nuts - pray for the victims

EinheitElf December 11, 2012 20:27

fukkin douchebag, why can there NEVER seem to be a person who is legally CCW-ing be in the area and take ONE of these shits out!?!?!? Imagine if there were 4 incidents FOILED by a person carrying and taking out the perp.... of course they would probably be charged with murder for saving the lives of others seeing how the judicial system is or they may come under fire from cops.....but you know what they say ..when seconds count the cops are minutes-or hours- away....

I still say these guys are gun control advocate sleeper agents... they get turned on,go kill people, media grabs it the anti yell, law passed and 'they' get their way and there you have it..... seems to always happen 'tooo convieniently on timing...... yes i am suspicious.......

gates December 11, 2012 20:30

It's not going to take too many more of these fuktard nut jobs doing this before Feinswine gets her way...

TideWater 41009 December 11, 2012 20:41

It never takes very long for the conspiracy kooks to start coming out of the woodwork.

V guy December 11, 2012 21:16

Maybe muslim..........wore a mask.

shlomo December 11, 2012 21:21

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Originally Posted by V guy (Post 3487180)
Maybe muslim..........wore a mask.

Yeah. Everybody knows that only muzzies wear masks.


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2barearms December 11, 2012 22:16

Unlikely much will happen as a result of this nut case. It's ironic though
that most of this nonsense happens in places with the most Libtards.

JasonB December 11, 2012 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffJ (Post 3487080)
Well another AR15 used in a mass shooting with body armor and once again the gun jammed...get ready because you know what's coming...

Think he is going to do an executive order like a republican did after a shooting?

Story December 11, 2012 23:23

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But around 3:30 p.m. today, Pavlenko said she heard a loud sound and then another and, as she realized she was hearing gunshots, the count went past five and six. She looked up from the Fabulicious Cupcakes kiosk and her eyes caught the figure walking slowly across the open area near Macy's. The figure, wearing a white mask, raised his arm and shot at a woman nearby as the mall's empty hallways echoed with screams. Pavlenko watched the woman fall.

Then, she said, the figure calmly pointed the gun in her direction and fired.

"He looked straight at me, and he aimed but he missed," said Pavlenko, who said she froze. She couldn't bend down. She couldn't move. "I thought he was going to come into the food court, but he kept going straight, toward J.C. Penney.

"He kept on shooting, and he kept on walking," she said. "He wasn't running. He was walking so slow. He dropped the thing he used to load bullets, and he just slowly picked it up and put back in again."
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamasc...hooting_4.html

Jolly Rodgers December 11, 2012 23:57

Interesting moment at the 8:30pm press conference. When they asked the Sgt. if the perp was alive when police found him, he said: "No officer fired their weapon." Then the next question was: "What about customers? Did a customer shoot him?" The Sgt. got a deer in the headlights look and then stammered out an: "I can't speak to that."

I didn't have the impression that any civilians engaged the perp, but I suppose it is possible. Will be interesting over the next few days as information starts to go public.

brunop December 12, 2012 02:03

This is about ten minutes from the homes of several FAL Files members here in Oregon. I've been listening to the Clackamas county scanner this evening.

juanni December 12, 2012 03:47

What is amazing to me is that so many people's responses were just to hunker together and cry, they don't even have the sense to run. :confused:

It is like Fight or Flight has been bred out of US Mall Patrons.




............juanni

gaijinsamurai December 12, 2012 05:18

According to the local news, a lot of people ran for it.
Some locked themselves into small retail outlets.

JasonB December 12, 2012 06:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by juanni (Post 3487358)
What is amazing to me is that so many people's responses were just to hunker together and cry, they don't even have the sense to run. :confused:

It is like Fight or Flight has been bred out of US Mall Patrons.




............juanni

A trip to Wal Mart (for at least the last 10-15 years) is like watching the pre-clear and after discovery mall scenes from the original Dawn of The Dead.

carguym14 December 12, 2012 10:01

All the malls around here have large "No Weapons Allowed" signs at all the entrances.

Sad that this could have been prevented with a couple of inexpensive signs.:sad:

d_s December 12, 2012 11:18

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Originally Posted by brunop (Post 3487349)
This is about ten minutes from the homes of several FAL Files members here in Oregon. I've been listening to the Clackamas county scanner this evening.

yup, myself included

homelandprotector December 12, 2012 12:50

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Originally Posted by carguym14 (Post 3487458)
All the malls around here have large "No Weapons Allowed" signs at all the entrances.

Sad that this could have been prevented with a couple of inexpensive signs.:sad:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: that would have worked for sure.

juanni December 12, 2012 13:14

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Originally Posted by gaijinsamurai (Post 3487368)
According to the local news, a lot of people ran for it.
Some locked themselves into small retail outlets.

Yes a lot did, but from the news reports I read a lot clumped together, hunkered down and cried.

Inside Sears, some customers burst into tears as word spread of the shooter going store to store, Christina Fisher told KOIN.

"We were told to stand in a group by the top of the escalators and stay away from the windows out of the aisle. ... We stood there for probably a good 20 minutes," she said. "All of the sudden, somebody came through with a radio, yelling 'get down!'"

.......

A group of customers inside Sears watched television news reports about the shooting inside the store's entertainment center, witness Tylor Pedersen told CNN affiliate KGW.




..................juanni

carguym14 December 12, 2012 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by juanni (Post 3487533)
Yes a lot did, but from the news reports I read a lot clumped together, hunkered down and cried.

Inside Sears, some customers burst into tears as word spread of the shooter going store to store, Christina Fisher told KOIN.

"We were told to stand in a group by the top of the escalators and stay away from the windows out of the aisle. ... We stood there for probably a good 20 minutes," she said. "All of the sudden, somebody came through with a radio, yelling 'get down!'"

.......

A group of customers inside Sears watched television news reports about the shooting inside the store's entertainment center, witness Tylor Pedersen told CNN affiliate KGW.




..................juanni



"Cryin' wont help you,prayin' wont do ya no good"

keiser December 12, 2012 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinheitElf (Post 3487131)
fukkin douchebag, why can there NEVER seem to be a person who is legally CCW-ing be in the area and take ONE of these shits out!?!?!?

There was a case about 5 years ago in Colorado Springs, CO. Perp shot several people outside a church. When he entered the church, a woman inside pulled a gun and shot him. Did not kill him, but did stop him. The perp proceeded to commit suicide to save the taxpayers money. I would guess the perp thought there would be nobody but sheep in a church. Surprise. Colorado Springs is a big gun community with a friendly to guns sheriff. Wrong assumption on his part.

Never hear this one mentioned when the commie media starts ranting and raving about mass shootings. Probably because he was stopped cold and countless lives were saved.

Too bad some of those outside the church died.

carguym14 December 12, 2012 14:06

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Originally Posted by homelandprotector (Post 3487521)
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: that would have worked for sure.


There are plenty that think that way.

The POS lib that owns the grocery store in the next town put up no guns signs last year when Iowa passed right to carry (had permits,but they were at the dicretion of the sheriff,the law made them shall issue).I have had numerous discussions with him and he always comes back to "the safety of the customers".

The front door to my shop has one of the JPFO firearms welcome signs.:biggrin:

Texgunner December 12, 2012 15:09

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Originally Posted by carguym14 (Post 3487554)
"Cryin' wont help you,prayin' wont do ya no good"

Watch out when the levee breaks.

FAL freek December 12, 2012 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffJ (Post 3487080)
Well another AR15 used in a mass shooting with body armor and once again the gun jammed

First thing that caught my attention was the gun jammed and this is the second shooting this has happened at. Amazing that all the "improvements" that have gone into that weapon and it still has the initial problem troops complained about when it was first fielded.

Good side of this is that the perp took care of the trial problem himself.

juanni December 12, 2012 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAL freek (Post 3487584)
First thing that caught my attention was the gun jammed and this is the second shooting this has happened at. Amazing that all the "improvements" that have gone into that weapon and it still has the initial problem troops complained about when it was first fielded.

Good side of this is that the perp took care of the trial problem himself.


One day one of these kooks is going to use an AK, then we are really going to have a non-jamming massacre. :uhoh:



............juanni

JeffJ December 12, 2012 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by juanni (Post 3487600)
One day one of these kooks is going to use an AK, then we are really going to have a non-jamming massacre. :uhoh:



............juanni

You mean like the north Hollywood bank robbery shoot out where nobody was fatally hit except the 2 perps one killed with a handgun and one with an AR?

Ha!

carguym14 December 12, 2012 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffJ (Post 3487603)
You mean like the north Hollywood bank robbery shoot out where nobody was fatally hit except the 2 perps one killed with a handgun and one with an AR?

Ha!


Those guys weren't hunting people.They were pretty stupid and just hung around blasting.


Lucky so far these shooters have been weapon stupid-you get a couple well trained guys in a mall and you would have a very large body count.Something like the Mumbai attack.


Thankfully the borders are secure and there is no way we have any terrorists here.......

Jolly Rodgers December 12, 2012 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguym14 (Post 3487625)
Those guys weren't hunting people.They were pretty stupid and just hung around blasting.


Lucky so far these shooters have been weapon stupid-you get a couple well trained guys in a mall and you would have a very large body count.Something like the Mumbai attack.


Thankfully the borders are secure and there is no way we have any terrorists here.......

Reference one Anders Behring Breivik.

juanni December 12, 2012 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffJ (Post 3487603)
You mean like the north Hollywood bank robbery shoot out where nobody was fatally hit except the 2 perps one killed with a handgun and one with an AR?

Ha!

Their goal was money not killing people.
And they weren't shooting point blank.

Imagine if it was their goal and they went into a mall double armored up. :uhoh:

Don't recall their AKs jamming either. :)




...........juanni

BearNAM December 12, 2012 19:09

I wish someone in law enforcement in the area would do a thorough investigation of this douche bag. May find something out of someone who mentally manipulated the guy. He was after all using a "stolen" weapon.

GSP228 December 12, 2012 19:53

I was talking with a friend of mine (former Recon Marine) this afternoon about this shooting and we both wondered the same thing. Were there no men in the mall? How about a bull dyke close by? Even with no one armed, when nimrod's weapon jammed, tackle him and take him out! People have to quit drinking the koolaid and being sheep. I have been drilling this into my grandkids in case, God forbid, they ever have a shooter at school. L/E won't come in until the shooting stops. Don't huddle and cry and scream with the rest, waiting to be shot. Maybe they will remember.

shlomo December 12, 2012 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487723)
L/E won't come in until the shooting stops.

A damning statement if I ever heard one.

Hell, mommy can do that.

rowjimmy December 12, 2012 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487723)
I was talking with a friend of mine (former Recon Marine) this afternoon about this shooting and we both wondered the same thing. Were there no men in the mall? How about a bull dyke close by? Even with no one armed, when nimrod's weapon jammed, tackle him and take him out! People have to quit drinking the koolaid and being sheep. I have been drilling this into my grandkids in case, God forbid, they ever have a shooter at school. L/E won't come in until the shooting stops. Don't huddle and cry and scream with the rest, waiting to be shot. Maybe they will remember.

While I can't speak for any particular agency, modern active shooter potocol dictates immediate officer engagement, even if there is no back up. While the policr may ne mostly douches, they now get this right...

GSP228 December 12, 2012 20:22

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Originally Posted by shlomo (Post 3487734)
A damning statement if I ever heard one.

Hell, mommy can do that.

You do know it's "To Protect and Serve", right?

shlomo December 12, 2012 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487745)
You do know it's "To Protect and Serve", right?

Ah, but to protect and serve whom?

JeffJ December 12, 2012 20:34

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Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487745)
You do know it's "To Protect and Serve", right?

Not really.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0

GSP228 December 12, 2012 20:42

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Originally Posted by shlomo (Post 3487748)
Ah, but to protect and serve whom?

Exactly. And as for protocol, the Virginia Tech shooting stands out in my mind. On the news you could hear gunshots in the building in the background as you watched a lard-assed LEO with an AR-15 run across the parking lot to take cover with other police. Only after no shots were heard for several minutes was the order given to go inside. The shooter had killed himself along with I forget how many others. By then, all that needs to be done are incident reports written and next-of-kin notified.

shlomo December 12, 2012 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487768)
Exactly. And as for protocol, the Virginia Tech shooting stands out in my mind. On the news you could hear gunshots in the building in the background as you watched a lard-assed LEO with an AR-15 run across the parking lot to take cover with other police. Only after no shots were heard for several minutes was the order given to go inside. The shooter had killed himself along with I forget how many others. By then, all that needs to be done are incident reports written and next-of-kin notified.

I'm tellin' ya, you and I gotta have a visit one of these days with some Baptist-authorized Bourbon involved. Maybe after burnin' some nitrocellulose.

Yeah.

Colorobo December 12, 2012 21:00

I think i just saw on Comcasts home page the the weapon was stolen.

GSP228 December 12, 2012 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by shlomo (Post 3487772)
I'm tellin' ya, you and I gotta have a visit one of these days with some Baptist-authorized Bourbon involved. Maybe after burnin' some nitrocellulose.

Yeah.

Works for me!

shlomo December 12, 2012 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colorobo (Post 3487781)
I think i just saw on Comcasts home page the the weapon was stolen.

Yeah, I saw that somewhere, too.

Also had a bud just call me to let me know that the insufferable British prick Piers Morgan is on TV somewhere, running that bullshit about the 2nd AMT being intended for muskets, not autoloading rifles.

I woulda tuned in, but I didn't wanna raise his viewership by 25%.

carguym14 December 12, 2012 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487723)
I was talking with a friend of mine (former Recon Marine) this afternoon about this shooting and we both wondered the same thing. Were there no men in the mall? How about a bull dyke close by? Even with no one armed, when nimrod's weapon jammed, tackle him and take him out! People have to quit drinking the koolaid and being sheep. I have been drilling this into my grandkids in case, God forbid, they ever have a shooter at school. L/E won't come in until the shooting stops. Don't huddle and cry and scream with the rest, waiting to be shot. Maybe they will remember.



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0302 December 12, 2012 21:48

Most malls post the no weapons signs. Most ccw folks follow the law. Ar-15 jammed ? Ain't that an old story.

tdb59 December 12, 2012 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSP228 (Post 3487723)
I was talking with a friend of mine (former Recon Marine) this afternoon about this shooting and we both wondered the same thing. Were there no men in the mall? How about a bull dyke close by?

There was one report of a man that went up the escalator toward the shooting, planning to take out the shooter.

There is a lot of reporting of " jamming ".

The presumption that reporters know a jam from a reload is a stretch.


Most don't know jam from jelly.

GSP228 December 12, 2012 21:56

Operative word is "Concealed". Piss on the sign.

ltpro December 12, 2012 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffJ (Post 3487080)
Well another AR15 used in a mass shooting with body armor and once again the gun jammed...get ready because you know what's coming...

In 1992 I was told all sorts of "crazy" things by an ex-Representative from the district in which I lived and I was sure this guy was out his mind ( which was odd because he was only in his late 40's at the time )....... Well , I was 100% wrong and back in 2005 I had to travel 1,000 miles to tell him face to face that I was dead wrong..... Oh yeah it's indeed coming !

SWOHFAL December 12, 2012 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Story (Post 3487289)

Just two killed other than himself? I hate to say it, but any decent shooter could rack up a body count in the hundreds if they went off the deep end... be thankful these nuts all seem to suck as shots.

Anyone here who couldn't do this kind of damage with a bolt or lever gun within a couple minutes on unarmed targets who aren't shooting back needs to break out their white cane, not that anyone has that inclination. Semi automatic "assault rifles" have nothing to do with it.

SWOHFAL December 12, 2012 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly Rodgers (Post 3487635)
Reference one Anders Behring Breivik.

But that was an enlightened European country with strict gun control... couldn't happen there.


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