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Trypcil April 22, 2018 16:53

Exposing the Churchill Myth!
 
http://www.unz.com/emargolis/deflati...hurchill-myth/

For some the above link could rock your world - if you didn't know about it before! Enjoy!

Riversidesports April 22, 2018 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trypcil (Post 4573257)
http://www.unz.com/emargolis/deflati...hurchill-myth/

For some the above link could rock your world - if you didn't know about it before! Enjoy!

Drunk fatty Winston was truly scum

One should study what he advocated
for example he was just a huge supporter of Genocide in Africa, the mid east and India
post WWI he wanted the same on Germany

In truth, Churchill was a radical Liberal voice who advocated for English concentration Kamps for the poor. Too bad some west ender didn't plant a .455 slug in his brain case back in the 20s

just commie light

Trypcil April 22, 2018 17:32

Decidedly an un-nice person - a real turd, tho brilliant - probably psychotic!

Riversidesports April 22, 2018 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trypcil (Post 4573268)
Decidedly an un-nice person - a real turd, tho brilliant - probably psychotic!

I have most of his original works, he was a straight up Maniac. In many ways worse than Hitler particularly in how he regarded non English folks.

Europeans were supposed to be subservient to London, he regarded everyone else as sub human.
Early in his career he just detested America

Brilliant wordsmith yes
still a damn maniac

Gary Harwell April 22, 2018 21:12

BJB is the last true historian of this century and last. He had similar things to say about Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Nothing has changed nor will in the MIC.
Looks like this will be my Christmas gift book to the libs in the family.

D P Six April 22, 2018 21:48

Much like Churchill, Teddy Roosevelt was outspoken, charismatic and a lover a war. Teddy was born a little to soon to equal the damage of Winston.

hagar April 23, 2018 09:31

Should have drowned in the Apies River..

Ted Kennedy April 23, 2018 09:43

I read "Churchill's War" many years ago....up until then I didn't think I could dislike the fat wino any more than I already did, but yeah. A real piece of work.

Riversidesports April 23, 2018 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Kennedy (Post 4573517)
I read "Churchill's War" many years ago....up until then I didn't think I could dislike the fat wino any more than I already did, but yeah. A real piece of work.

Ted, I really encourage folks to read what he wrote and tubby did write rather prolifically.

He was captured by the Boer very early in the war where he was a mere correspondent for one of the London dailys. As such he was accorded quite less restricted custody than regular English POWs who by the way lived almost a resort lifestyle in Boer Kamps

Winnie though became extremely bitter. 1st the bloody Boer seized the C96 mummy bought him then he was unable to become the major War correspondent he dreamed of
The dick wrote all manner of lurid shit about the Boer after he escaped and most all of which outright lies. This was well known in the period but his family were lesser aristocrats important enough that it was largely ignored.

WWI was more of the same and he became even a greater legend in his own mind once he entered Parlement.
Never forget Churchill was a far left member of the Liberal Party, politically he was very little different from Hitler, in many ways actually worse.

It was Churchill that campained to place the poor in forced labor camps, the English did this well before the Nazi rise to power. Men were only released after the drunken bigot declared war on Germany over the invasion of the English created nation of Poland which shortly before was actually Germany.

As a member of the abject left wing progressive Liberals Churchill naturally sided with Stalin, this is the true root of WWII, an American and British Progressive determined to preserve the Soviet State at all costs
Hitler was willing to withdraw to pre WWI borders
Churchill would have none of that

Had Hitler not been a meglomaniac himself he should have broken ties with the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. A number of surviving upper eschlon Nazis claimed Germany was blindsided by the december 11th attack on Hawaii. In my opinion that's likely true. Instead he honored the treaty...global war as it gave FDR the wheel chair Progressive gimp what he needed to murder up a generation of American boys

Understand, the Empire wanted to consoldate an Asian Confederation
issue was England, the Dutch and America owned huge chunks were ran as basically slave labor camps, corporations were making millions off these colonial holdings
The Japanese attitude was if anyone had a right to subjugate Asians it was them, not round eyes. In an agreement between America & England it was decided to choke off Imperial ambitions, no steel, no oil, no coal
that's the root of our Pacific war
even before Pearl the Japs had a superior navy to us in the Pacific
never the less, we eventually curb stomped them by 44'

hagar April 23, 2018 12:23

I have to say this, if it wasn't for him, the British would have lost the war.

That may be good or bad depending upon your viewpoint. :beer:

Never had much love for the English, and was hugely disappointed that my Ancestry DNA came back as 49% British and another 30% or so as Western Europe. I always thought I was Dutch and French.. :sad:

I'm more English (Great Britain) than my Irish wife. And my ex wife is more Dutch than I am..:wink:

ramiller April 23, 2018 13:19

Was there a second attack on Pearl Harbor after December 7th?

ray55classic April 23, 2018 13:30

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Originally Posted by ramiller (Post 4573592)
Was there a second attack on Pearl Harbor after December 7th?

Yamamoto had 2nd thoughts after the Sunday the 7th turned his carriers around , and attacked Pearl Bailey
for good measure

Riversidesports April 23, 2018 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagar (Post 4573565)
I have to say this, if it wasn't for him, the British would have lost the war.

That may be good or bad depending upon your viewpoint. :beer:

Never had much love for the English, and was hugely disappointed that my Ancestry DNA came back as 49% British and another 30% or so as Western Europe. I always thought I was Dutch and French.. :sad:

I'm more English (Great Britain) than my Irish wife. And my ex wife is more Dutch than I am..:wink:

That's like saying FDR won WWII for us

nope our boys & generals did

Ted Kennedy April 23, 2018 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riversidesports (Post 4573604)
That's like saying FDR won WWII for us

nope our boys & generals did

You haven't been paying attention. Stalin and the USSR won the war for us. :whistling:

hagar April 23, 2018 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riversidesports (Post 4573604)
That's like saying FDR won WWII for us

nope our boys & generals did

Of course he had help, he did not do it single handed. But I believe he had the strength of character to keep things together when it looked like all was lost.

Riversidesports April 23, 2018 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Kennedy (Post 4573610)
You haven't been paying attention. Stalin and the USSR won the war for us. :whistling:

Not in the Pacific theater

pretty funny, due to agreements at Yalta ? there was supposed to be a division of spoils. Immediately after VJ day MacArthur ordered elimination of all existing primary Imperial military assets.
We scuttled subs, ships, you name it. This was part of an effort to deny Japanese naval assets to Stalin.
Story was Mac was nearly court marshalled over this. The Soviets were completely pissed.

Buddies dad was one of the ground crews in Japan, he told us they ran out of grenades blowing up aircraft. After that they were taking petrol soaked blankets laying them over engine cowls and igniting them.
Grunts were told it was to prevent Japs from doing suicide runs. he snickered on that. He was a Col. Was straight told it was to deny any aircraft to the commies. He claimed they had Japanese soldiers assisting with this.
Americans were recognized as the victors and they hated/feared the Soviets

Soviets ended up in control of the abandoned nuclear and bio research centers in Manchuko which bootstrapped both Stalin & Mao as well as the Norks.
One of my dads co-workers directed the demolition crews which bulldozed the Japan based nuke research facillity into the ocean
again this was part of denying Stalin certain war spoils.
Never forget, the Japs were as far along as us on nukes, some claim they test detonated their 1st some weeks before our Trinity device in New Mexico over the South China Sea.

The level of destruction was so pervasive that back in the 70s it was generally accepted that there were only several Japanese Zeros left, all were in North America. Recall we had two or three, Canada one.
Later that expanded to another in Australia and by the 90s, several more came out of the wood work in Japan. Seem to recall there is a mint example housed at the Mitsubishi headquarters.

Pretty sure we preserved two of the late war Japanese jet fighters as well as several Baka bombers. They are allegedly still in storage at the Smithsonian awaiting assembly/restoration.
I recall visiting the hangers at the Canadian War museum back in the late 80s. They had a number of Me163 rocket fighters and a pair of Me262 jet fighters as well as an Arado jet bomber, untouched since the 40s
Insane place, they had a WWI German Gotha bomber on display back then
Toronto has just been extremely stingy on financing the War museum and restoration of assets.
likely it will end up all faggoted up, like the British War museum is now

Anyways, the Soviets did very little against the Empire, England was next to no help either...that includes Australia and NZ. It was by far and large an American theater

Stoney April 23, 2018 15:23

England was next to no help either...that includes Australia and NZ. It was by far and large an American theater

tell that to the dead azzies and keweis (sp) :facepalm:

Riversidesports April 23, 2018 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagar (Post 4573614)
Of course he had help, he did not do it single handed. But I believe he had the strength of character to keep things together when it looked like all was lost.

meh' Englanders got plenty pissed on there own during the Blitz
I grew up around a good number of English vets that settled in Manitoba post war. To a Man they detested Churchill.

They all shook their heads at American hero worship of the would be dictator :facepalm:

American views of Winston were heavily infuanced by our press & radio media
He just was never very popular among main stream English
example ?

rather easy to find portraits of certain celebrated American presidents
very very little of that of Churchill
The Queen sure but the general public loathed that fat little drunkard.

Riversidesports April 23, 2018 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney (Post 4573633)
England was next to no help either...that includes Australia and NZ. It was by far and large an American theater

tell that to the dead azzies and keweis (sp) :facepalm:

how many Aussies & Kewis fought in the Pacific theater during WWII ?
Some were in Indonesia. How many took back islands from the Empire ?
How many stormed beach heads ?
Did they lend a hand at Tarawa, Guam, Okinawa, the Philippines, etc ?

nope

they were where the Japs mostly were not attempting to steal up former Dutch colonies for the Crown corporations.

Texgunner April 23, 2018 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray55classic (Post 4573596)
Yamamoto had 2nd thoughts after the Sunday the 7th turned his carriers around , and attacked Pearl Bailey
for good measure

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V guy April 23, 2018 17:49

I guess some here would have preferred that Neville Chamberlin have remained in charge, solving Hitlers "British" problem.


History called on Churchill, AND FDR, to assist Stalin, in putting the degenerate bastards into the ground.

Churchill's grave mistakes in WWI, ( along with plenty of other incompetent culprits in the British Army), gave him the wisdom to know that he HAD to get the USA into WWII to save England, but he failed to accomplish it.

Little did he know that Hitler would declare war on the USA for him.
Churchill was a cheerleader and did his job well.

His "V" for victory image, tells the tale over in wienerschnitzel land about what was to happen to the little corporal.

Don't feel bad for British Empire boys, Churchill treated the German POW's badly too.

Now as far as "scum" goes, Hitler almost invented the term, and his clan of famous thugs too.
Himmler committed suicide; damn, what a trial that would have been!!
Oskar Dirlewanger was so "scum", that his allied guards killed him in a stairway, for sport.

Trypcil April 23, 2018 19:31

V - Churchill wanted war, he took his orders from the Uk deepstate. You have to remember how many times shitlerexpressed his desire for peace. Then there’s that little trip Hesse took - makes me wonder if Old Rudolph was relative to that Prince from way back, you know the one - the one Amshel Bayer took the money from!!!!

D P Six April 23, 2018 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Kennedy (Post 4573610)
You haven't been paying attention. Stalin and the USSR won the war for us. :whistling:

I agree. The staggering casualties of both the Germans and Soviets tell a gruesome tale. The Pacific theater is another issue.

Impala_Guy April 23, 2018 21:48

"Islam in a man is like rabies in a dog"

Churchill had his moments. He certainly was vastly superior to the Labor Party opponents that spent the next 50 years selling the average Brits future down the river for the twin Bauphomets of diversity and socialism.

Trypcil April 23, 2018 23:22

There is a great film called Young Churchill - sort of a precursor to the Indiana Jones franchise. History is of course absolute Bunk - it really is dependent on what we all can agree upon - whether it's true or not! Typically its about what we want to believe, to justify actions, and make us feel good about how we were conned into doing despicable things - by those in safe places!

ExCdnSoldierInTx April 24, 2018 00:16

The two wars did one good thing to England.
It forever vanished the Aristocracy and with it the House of Lords from absolute power.
WW1 did most of that alone. The historic monied lines were decimated and the old ways crumbled in upon their weight.
That will happen here someday as well, maybe in 4 or 500 years.

Ted Kennedy April 24, 2018 06:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by D P Six (Post 4573776)
I agree. The staggering casualties of both the Germans and Soviets tell a gruesome tale. The Pacific theater is another issue.

I was kidding.....some here think Uncle Joe did all our dirty work. Of course in numbers killed, the toll is staggering. If one takes a hard look at who, and where from the USSR got the money, and engineering to produce such great numbers of quality tanks, rockets, etc...that opens up another can of worms.

Hint: we started WAY before 1941, and so did the Soviets.

martin35 April 24, 2018 08:09

Most who have replyed here would have rather seen Chamberlain continue as PM, or someone like him,,, Churchill suppied the resolve that manned the last redoubt in Europe without trembleng lips,,, I admire that and men who can get thier shit together in time of crisis,,, he made his imperfect choices from the choices he saw available, and they were dire circumstances beyond normal comprehension.
These threads that rewrite history are'nt the sign of superior knowledge some would want them to be,,, in my opinion,,, and that's the only reason I come here.

Trypcil April 24, 2018 09:31

Sometimes you have to Catapult .......fool me once.....
 
I guess it's not only paper planes Martin that fly over your head! Churchill wanted war for economic reasons since at least 1933, before more than likely - as he took his orders from peoples of the aristocracy. The msm of the last 150 plus years, where you derive you position from is now longer considered a viable source of truth - I guess you haven't perceived that as of yet, or understand the works of Edward Bernays!

bubbagump April 24, 2018 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by martin35 (Post 4573883)
Most who have replyed here would have rather seen Chamberlain continue as PM, or someone like him,,, Churchill suppied the resolve that manned the last redoubt in Europe without trembleng lips,,, I admire that and men who can get thier shit together in time of crisis,,, he made his imperfect choices from the choices he saw available, and they were dire circumstances beyond normal comprehension.
These threads that rewrite history are'nt the sign of superior knowledge some would want them to be,,, in my opinion,,, and that's the only reason I come here.

Churchill was the man of the hour .. at least that's how the PTB saw it. He did 'em a good job and was jettisoned as soon as his usefulness expired. Those who buy into the mythology would be better served by taking a closer look.

V guy April 24, 2018 10:17

Famous people in history are never forgotten.

Hitler will join Nero, Caligula and Torquemada in the monsters gallery.

Patton will join Caesar, cut down by his own; FDR, Churchill and MacArthur will be written about 1000 years from now, as Charles Martel, Hannibal and Charlemagne are written about today.

Churchill and FDR's reputations are sealed, as is JFK's for killing Marylin Monroe.

Hitler is already enshrined in those "meme" Hitler videos that are such a riot to watch.

The war was won by Stalin and FDR/Allies; Churchill provided the forward operating base for the USA to direct the Allied Forces from, so Churchill gets a seat at the table, and always will, as history shows us.

Let it never be forgotten that it took someone as craven as Stalin to defeat Hitler, and save the world from Germany and wienerschnitzel.

Ted Kennedy April 24, 2018 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy (Post 4573922)
Let it never be forgotten that it took someone as craven as Stalin to defeat Hitler, and save the world from Germany and wienerschnitzel.

Praise God for that! Just think what Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, etc..would look like if we hadn't helped Uncle Joe secure them for the Soviets.

V guy April 24, 2018 10:47

Soon enough, some Muslim Shia maniac in Germany, will attack some Sunni Group in France; so sayeth Plato. It is all good.

Ted Kennedy April 24, 2018 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy (Post 4573939)
Soon enough, some Muslim Shia maniac in Germany, will attack some Sunni Group in France; so sayeth Plato. It is all good.

You reckon that would go down if the Nazis were still in power?

FAL freek April 25, 2018 02:13

Well if the British would have let Lord Halifax have his way the Brit's would have capitulated to the Nazis after Chamberlain got the boot and Churchill would have none of that. It's always fun to see the same people on this site constantly criticize the effeminate men of today's Western society nit pick and tear down the alpha males of years past.


Churchill was a man of his time, eugenics was rampant and unlike today men weren't castrated by society and allowed to be nationalists. 70 years from now when society shifts even further to the left today's "alpha males" are going to be judged as arrogant and nationalistic as well. For centuries Europe saw themselves as giving the gift of civilization to the world so they wouldn't have had to go through the same ordeal as they did when they clawed their way to the top. Now society dictates that everybody who isn't white is a victim. Biggest mistake America ever made was forcing Europe to get rid of their colonies because we've done a bang up job filling the void and trying to clean the mess up that Europe left when they pulled up stakes.

If it weren't for America the Soviets wouldn't have been able to keep a front against the Germans west of the Urals (if at all) and their death toll would have been millions more on the Soviet side, Stalins policies killed as many or more of his men as did the Nazis and Stalins contemplated capitulation to the Germans when they were at Moscow's doorstep but his advisors talked him out of it after much deliberation. Funny how the Soviets beat the Nazis crowd always ignore those inconveniences., Russians say the Normandy had no effect on defeating Germany and recent studies say that America and England would have won without the Soviets but the war would have continued until 1947 or 1948 . Of the two theories, American and British victory in '48 seems far more plausible.

As far as Australia and New Zealand not contributing to the Pacific war, Australia did 70% of the fighting in New Guinea, contributed to Guadalcanal and the landing of Leyte, fought in New Britain, and Borneo also, lost a good portion of their Navy trying to beat back the Japanese advance in the early days of the war and they defended a good number of Britain's Asian assets. Out of a nation of 7 million, 22,000 became POWs. You can thank MacArthur for dampening their enthusiasm for contributing more, he told them to use their men to focus on producing war material to support the war effort and let America do the fighting and they reduced their men in uniform by 100,000 in 1943. New Zealand had a population of 1.6 million and 140,000 served in WWII which equates to about 10%, Australia had 7 million and put 730,000 into uniform, once again 10% of their population, the same percent that America put into uniform.

Roadmarker April 25, 2018 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Kennedy (Post 4573942)
You reckon that would go down if the Nazis were still in power?

Um, yeah, since they were allies. I guess axis cohorts would be a better fit.

Yep, I've also noticed it is still about beta males attacking alpha males in England and other Socialist hot spots.

Ted Kennedy April 25, 2018 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadmarker (Post 4574239)
Um, yeah, since they were allies. I guess axis cohorts would be a better fit.

Yep, I've also noticed it is still about beta males attacking alpha males in England and other Socialist hot spots.

Yeah, you're probably right. Brownshirts, SS, would no doubt watch their women get assaulted by Muslim invaders, and do nothing...kinda like is happening in parts of Europe today.

I heard that pup Hannity extolling the virtues of Churchill and FDR just yesterday afternoon. I'm always glad to hear admirers speak of those two as a pair, I certainly believe they are equally virtuous heroes.

easttex April 25, 2018 13:13

One of my mentors earlier in life, who reviles progressives and liberals, has always lamented that we did not back the Kaiser over England in WWI. His thought is that England losing WWI would've crushed their liberal democracy and likely prevented the rise of the socialist democracies in Western Europe that we see today.

Germany was also fairly liberal at the time so I'm not sure either way, but it is an interesting thought nonetheless.

martin35 April 25, 2018 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trypcil (Post 4573908)
I guess it's not only paper planes Martin that fly over your head! Churchill wanted war for economic reasons since at least 1933, before more than likely - as he took his orders from peoples of the aristocracy. The msm of the last 150 plus years, where you derive you position from is now longer considered a viable source of truth - I guess you haven't perceived that as of yet, or understand the works of Edward Bernays!

That's your opinion,,, the Marshall Plan and Care packages put the world back together,,, I still believe my lyin' eyes,,, what do you believe ?

The English were milked dry by wartime austerity and Churchill was a symbol of that regime,,, he should'a immigrated to Canada.

Riversidesports April 25, 2018 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAL freek (Post 4574238)
Well if the British would have let Lord Halifax have his way the Brit's would have capitulated to the Nazis after Chamberlain got the boot and Churchill would have none of that. It's always fun to see the same people on this site constantly criticize the effeminate men of today's Western society nit pick and tear down the alpha males of years past.


Churchill was a man of his time, eugenics was rampant and unlike today men weren't castrated by society and allowed to be nationalists. 70 years from now when society shifts even further to the left today's "alpha males" are going to be judged as arrogant and nationalistic as well. For centuries Europe saw themselves as giving the gift of civilization to the world so they wouldn't have had to go through the same ordeal as they did when they clawed their way to the top. Now society dictates that everybody who isn't white is a victim. Biggest mistake America ever made was forcing Europe to get rid of their colonies because we've done a bang up job filling the void and trying to clean the mess up that Europe left when they pulled up stakes.

If it weren't for America the Soviets wouldn't have been able to keep a front against the Germans west of the Urals (if at all) and their death toll would have been millions more on the Soviet side, Stalins policies killed as many or more of his men as did the Nazis and Stalins contemplated capitulation to the Germans when they were at Moscow's doorstep but his advisors talked him out of it after much deliberation. Funny how the Soviets beat the Nazis crowd always ignore those inconveniences., Russians say the Normandy had no effect on defeating Germany and recent studies say that America and England would have won without the Soviets but the war would have continued until 1947 or 1948 . Of the two theories, American and British victory in '48 seems far more plausible.

As far as Australia and New Zealand not contributing to the Pacific war, Australia did 70% of the fighting in New Guinea, contributed to Guadalcanal and the landing of Leyte, fought in New Britain, and Borneo also, lost a good portion of their Navy trying to beat back the Japanese advance in the early days of the war and they defended a good number of Britain's Asian assets. Out of a nation of 7 million, 22,000 became POWs. You can thank MacArthur for dampening their enthusiasm for contributing more, he told them to use their men to focus on producing war material to support the war effort and let America do the fighting and they reduced their men in uniform by 100,000 in 1943. New Zealand had a population of 1.6 million and 140,000 served in WWII which equates to about 10%, Australia had 7 million and put 730,000 into uniform, once again 10% of their population, the same percent that America put into uniform.

I didn't state the Diggers & Kiwis didn't contribute to the Pacific War, simply that they had their sectors of operation & we had our own. Largely they were active in areas controlled by the Dutch East India Company.

Post WWII there was just a ton of land grabbing going on in the Pacific. The Brits ended up embedded in Burma & Malaysia, French in Indochina and we seized a swath of Pacific Islands.
We handled the Philippines differently than we did after the SA war. This time we gave them a true level of autonomy. Backside it was better to have native governments under our control than the possibility of another insurrection.
See this time it would not have been Barongs and Kries against Springfield Rifles. The islanders were quite well armed, battle hardened. It would have been a complete bloodbath.

The Brits got their clocks cleaned for awhile in their new island possessions. The story behind that is portrayed in "Farewell to the King", an actually half decent war movies with Nick Nolte about "King Leroy". Yes while the character is fantasy there is complete truth in that island tribes and the Maylay in general viciously resisted their new presumed rulers.

Sure, Eugenics was rampant. You can't use that to excuse your Fat Bastard then condemn it's use by the Reich. It was just evil across the board PERIOD.

Churchill to a great deal is responsible for the awful mess in the middle east today. He wrote one statement positively gleeful when the RAF started Chemical bombing the "WOGS"in Mesopotamia. Yeah civilian populations.
This was after Laurence had left Damascus.
Honestly I suspect Churchill had him murdered.

Churchill an Alpha Male ?
where do you get that ?
He was an aristocratic attention seeker, worse yet an extremely Liberal example of one.
Want an Alpha ?
Try Kitchner who detested Churchill, didn't want him anywhere near the Sudan. Why ?
Because Churchill was a whiny little bitch
Do you know how baby Winnie ended up in the Sudan. Well he was a mommas boy and momma used her influence to get her baby placed there.

I used to have huge respect for Teddy Roosevelt
He was another mommas boy and insanely Liberal. Like Churchill a brilliant writer & speaker. Like Churchill a pig that believed in sterilization campaigns, involuntary incarceration of the unfit and of course their forced labor.

Think some
Was Hitler an Alpha Male ?
How about Himmler or Goebbles...
Hitler "maybe", he was an actual War hero however even that said he was another little man with a huge chip on his shoulder

Winnie & Teddy ?
Peter Pan syndrome. Boys who never grew up from playing with brightly painted toy soldiers. Indulged at every turn by their filthy rich families who grew into an extremely false sense of superiority.

Ted Kennedy April 25, 2018 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by easttex (Post 4574397)
One of my mentors earlier in life, who reviles progressives and liberals, has always lamented that we did not back the Kaiser over England in WWI. His thought is that England losing WWI would've crushed their liberal democracy and likely prevented the rise of the socialist democracies in Western Europe that we see today.

Germany was also fairly liberal at the time so I'm not sure either way, but it is an interesting thought nonetheless.

We wouldn't have had to back anybody. The Germans would have done alright, without American boys spilling their blood overseas.

"Britain milked dry" - makes me smile....isn't that the country we fought on our own soil a couple times? Why on earth would we stay hooked up with a pompous, royalty-worshipping, two-time loser like that? :biggrin:

martin35 April 25, 2018 14:02

Bookies and Lindberg were 7 to 5 and even money in early years on the German that they wouldn't drop two in a row,,, but the fix was in once we got it together..

Riversidesports April 25, 2018 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Kennedy (Post 4574412)
We wouldn't have had to back anybody. The Germans would have done alright, without American boys spilling their blood overseas.

"Britain milked dry" - makes me smile....isn't that the country we fought on our own soil a couple times? Why on earth would we stay hooked up with a pompous, royalty-worshipping, two-time loser like that? :biggrin:

Reason ?

Pretty simple Ted...
a fair share of the Founders were lesser English aristocracy. That includes Washington's own family who if I remember correctly were related to King George.

Colonial Elites largely resisted the Revolution initially.
As I have pointed out MANY times here America really wasn't that English in the 1700s
A huge number of Colonists were second and third generation Danes & Swedes from the former colonies of New Holland & New Sweden. There were French & folks from Spain, Germans, etc. We myth all this up, gloss it over. Everything is about the damn English in mainstream American history.

The other part to remember is over half of English came over as Court Ordered bond servants, just a fancy phrase for a SLAVE.
These folks were generally indentured to lesser aristocracy who had been granted vast land tracts.
Think it was after Six years Master had to release you, give you a smaller tract of land, tools and a small stipend to start you out as a new Colonial
This was the English system

As such, between the two groups of folks there was plenty of straight hate felt toward England and their Nobles.
Aristocrats in America wanted no part of a revolution
on the other hand they didn't want their Plantations razed & daughters raped by the Colonial mob either so significant number took up the Prolitariet banner.

This is partially what Gibson was attempting to portray in The Patriot, he could have done a much better job though, maybe could have chose a better character than the historical Francis Marion who really was not a very honorable Man.

Anyways many wealthy land owning families even after the Revolution maintained close ties with their kin back in England
Recall just shortly after the War of 1812 American Elites returned our banking system to control under the Bank of England. That was one of Jacksons big bitches, the Enemy in control of our finances.

It's not just two Wars with the English, it's actually Three as England heavily supported the South during the Rebellion. The Confederacy was largely financed via letters of Credit from London & French Bankers
The North ?
mostly by insane taxation schemes by the despot Lincoln

for example are any of you aware of Abe's booze tax ?
It was TWO BUCKS on every gallon of Spirits.
Now it was intended to be towards just drinking likker but ended up applied across the board.

Think on that
back then the principle lamp fuel was "Camphine"
mostly grain likker mixed with a small amount of Turpentine, sometimes a bit of camphor to improve the stink.
Yeah, that was taxed out of existance by fukkin Lincoln
Medicine ?
mostly Alcohol based processes
How about varnishes, etc ?

Yeah shit like this is how Socialist Marxist asshole Abe financed his war

V guy April 25, 2018 22:19

Great leaders seem to be destined for their roles in history, a history that the outcome of those wars that they are involved in, is not determined at all, it seems, but by effort and craft.

Leaders have to learn their winning ways/craft.


Churchill was not a leader in the military way, he did not lead troops, and he wisely left it to the USA and the Military, Hitler never did. Lend Lease was something that Hitler could not ever dream of and it became his nightmare....so much for his craft and leadership.
Churchill provided England with a figurehead.

Hitler went on and attacked the unarmed and defenseless of the civilized world, with typical Germanic demonic cowardace, combined with the worthlessness of those now dead, debased souls who he entranced to sin and worse.

The truth in it--- is that Russia--"subhuman and incompetent", Igor and Ivan killed Hitler, and Germany, AFTER they armed up and sought revenge on Hans, for his barbarity and greed.

Hannibal sacked Rome and Italy; 50 years later Rome burned Carthage.

Napoleon invaded Russia and ended his Empire. Typical historical sagas; craft and force at work, and some winter weather. Hannibal overcame the winter; Napoleon and Hitler did not.


Churchill, Like DeGaulle and FDR, oversaw the end of the little corporal and his vile little men, many of whom were been eliminated from the gene pool, to the utter misfortune of Germany today; it is now a womans world.

Hitler and his rotten boys, all lie under the dirt and soil of Russia, not England, under Churchill's boot.

From the Polish line east to Siberia, the shit are crushed and buried to enrich the silent wheat fields. Those grey-green Nazi uniforms, provide as much nutrients, as the blood, bones and metal that are buried with, in the soil of mother Russia.

Churchill seems to be just a lightning rod for some underlying hatred of how superman Fritiz and Hans, were defeated/buried in Russia, with their dicks in the others mouth; followed by a dollop of Russian piss to settle the ground of their humiliation.

Stalin had most of the battlefields around Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad and Kursk, bulldozed and plowed under, to bury the remains after the war with the greatest of disrespect.

Churchill Good, Hitler and SS bad.

Scratch a swastika in the dirt and piss on it and become a honorary Russian.
As 25% German, if it was native American, I would be a full member of the tribe, so I have a license to piss on Germany and the swastika.

Trypcil April 25, 2018 22:54

Martin, this is not about the Marshall plan - this thread is about the myth of Churchill. He was a tool of Victor Rothschild - and was a war hawk of the worst kind. Read the link, even "Research" Buchanan's position further - just remember you are not a Historian but chattel to the elite - you are fed lies as truth, and sent to your potential demise at the whim of those that think you are fool - for their undeclared purpose, and whether you survive or not, they care not.

V - great leaders, or the victorious - write the history, most are charlatans and pumped up useful psychopaths - Churchill, at the beginning of the war was "RE"-appointed as First Lord of the Admiralty - he was also prior an Army Officer, a lieutenant of the 4th Hussars - he was "guaranteed" the participation of the USA by certain factions - the same happened with the Lusitania in the 1stWW, the next time it was Pearl Harbour - the history you know is not what happened. You might want to research the Gallipoli incident - and his involvement in that crucible!

V guy April 25, 2018 23:20

I know all about Gallipolli.

I suppose that makes Hitler and his little dead shit eaters, the "wronged" victims in WWII?

There is nothing in the world better than a dead Nazi!!:wink:

Never forget that, and anyone who helped kill them off, including your uncle Charlie, and the old B-17 pilot down the street, is a saint........... and that includes Churchill.

Hilda and Fritz were equally guilty.

Trypcil April 25, 2018 23:32

You can lead whores to Culture but can't make them think!
 
Some positions are simply not defensibly, in the cold light of day - I see you 'believe', you don't actually know. Anyway Russia won WW2 - the USA just fed people and destroyed the Old Guard, via lend lease - which was part of the reasons for ww2 in the first place. Consider your sources, and how it fits with your identity, the two are married - propaganda and exploitation has marred many a juvenile mind.

Here is some Kipling for you!

I Keep six honest serving-men:
(They taught me all I knew)
Their names are What and Where and When
And How and Why and Who.
I send them over land and sea,
I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,
I give them all a rest.
I let them rest from nine till five.
For I am busy then,
As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,
For they are hungry men:
But different folk have different views:
I know a person small--
She keeps ten million serving-men,
Who get no rest at all!
She sends 'em abroad on her own affairs,
From the second she opens her eyes--
One million Hows, two million Wheres,
And seven million Whys!

V guy April 25, 2018 23:44

Lend lease was a perfect poker up Hitlers ass. Russia got a lot too from us like P-39's and trucks.

Hitler wanted to murder the entire world's population, if it was not "aryan" pure. Human skin lampshades would have been all over the 3rd Reich.
His 60 million plus body count was just a start for him, and the bloodslaked German people.

Housewife Hilda and Fritz, her wounded Waffen SS husband, were both "smoked" in Dresden.

Thank God for Mother Russia's efforts to give "liebenstraum" to the Germans, permanently. They are still there, in the "irony of ironies".

I would have preferred that the USA had been better prepared from the start, with tanks such as a T-26 with a big gun, and a P-51, but the Germans got dead anyway.

It would have been ok if we had lost 2 million or more instead of the half million we did, but it did not take that many sacrifices on our part, to kill Germans, after all.

Somehow again, lust and love of nazis, on an almost worship basis, for all the slaughter and killing of the unarmed, and defenseless seems to be alive among some. How can you respect anyone like a Nazi?

You CAN love Ivan and Igor for their bayonets into wounded German guts,as they drove Germans from their Russian lands, and for the Russian artillery that buried many alive, and for the Russian Tanks and human wave attacks that drove Fritz mad and back to Berlin, for his capture, and eventual enslaved labor.......... in the Siberian gold mines.

Riversidesports April 25, 2018 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trypcil (Post 4574625)
Some positions are simply not defensibly, in the cold light of day - I see you 'believe', you don't actually know. Anyway Russia won WW2 - the USA just fed people and destroyed the Old Guard, via lend lease - which was part of the reasons for ww2 in the first place. Consider your sources, and how it fits with your identity, the two are married - propaganda and exploitation has marred many a juvenile mind.

Here is some Kipling for you!

I Keep six honest serving-men:
(They taught me all I knew)
Their names are What and Where and When
And How and Why and Who.
I send them over land and sea,
I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,
I give them all a rest.
I let them rest from nine till five.
For I am busy then,
As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,
For they are hungry men:
But different folk have different views:
I know a person small--
She keeps ten million serving-men,
Who get no rest at all!
She sends 'em abroad on her own affairs,
From the second she opens her eyes--
One million Hows, two million Wheres,
And seven million Whys!

LOL...CLASSIC

Riversidesports April 25, 2018 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy (Post 4574631)
Lend lease was a perfect poker up Hitlers ass. Russia got a lot too.

Hitler wanted to murder the entire world's population, if it was not "aryan" pure. Human skin lampshades would have been all over the 3rd Reich.
His 60 million plus body count was just a start for him, and the bloodslaked German people.

Housewife Hilda and Fritz, her wounded Waffen SS husband, were both "smoked" in Dresden.

Thank God for Mother Russia's efforts to give "liebenstraum" to the Germans, permanently. They are still there, in the "irony of ironies".

I would have preferred that the USA had been better prepared from the start, with tanks such as a T-26 with a big gun, and a P-51, but the Germans got dead anyway.

It would have been ok if we had lost 2 million or more instead of the half million we did, but it did not take that many sacrifices on our part, to kill Germans, after all.

G-d just stop, it was never like that V


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