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chasengineering July 10, 2017 20:11

NY compliant fixed Magazine
 
Hello Gentlemen, I need your help and ideas. I just bought a STG kit from the Marketplace. My problem is that I live in the Cuomo communist controlled state of NY, and the magazines need to be a max 10 round fixed into the receiver. Has anyone figured out how to fix the mag into the FAL receiver without permanently damaging the reciever. Something along the lines of the AR maglock. I have my own machine shop and make my own maglocks for the AR-15, but I have not seen and type of similar device for a FAL. Any info out there?
Thanks in advance.
Chas.

4markk July 10, 2017 21:15

Not a bullet-button, but I made ones like this for my son when he lived in CA. Definitely no where near as fast as a bullet-button. This no longer meets the CA law, haven't looked into the NY law, so I'm not sure.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1473607895
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1473607895

Root66 July 11, 2017 15:27

Just replace the release lever spring with a 1/8" pin of the correct length and install a stripper clip top cover.

chasengineering July 11, 2017 16:30

Thanks for your help guys :biggrin: :fal:

wolfspotter1 July 11, 2017 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4448888)
Not a bullet-button, but I made ones like this for my son when he lived in CA. Definitely no where near as fast as a bullet-button. This no longer meets the CA law, haven't looked into the NY law, so I'm not sure.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1473607895
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1473607895

I live in NY & did this also. Put the original aside and bought a second one to modify. Found that the magazine's very easy to load through the ejection port.

1769 July 12, 2017 06:02

Move to a different state. :biggrin:

4markk July 12, 2017 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1769 (Post 4449530)
Move to a different state. :biggrin:

Y'al need to take back Vermont from the Flower Children (Ethan Allen is rolling over in his grave).

At least all attempts at gun control have failed.

DakTo July 12, 2017 07:35

A greater question is how do you build it when the NYS open registration for so-called assault rifles has closed? Was the receiver registered previously?

DakTo July 12, 2017 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4449546)
Y'al need to take back Vermont from the Flower Children (Ethan Allen is rolling over in his grave).

At least all attempts at gun control have failed.

Mark the commonwealth politicians and the liberals of Northern Virginia have not only taken over the state but are slowly chipping away with their gun control agenda. When I lived there, there was still open carry of hand guns prior to 1968.

Slaughter July 12, 2017 07:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Root66 (Post 4449244)
Just replace the release lever spring with a 1/8" pin of the correct length and install a stripper clip top cover.

What HE said.

I've done this mod to my regular range gun here in the PRC. Picked up a few Canadian stripper clip top covers from DSA a while back. You can always de-neuter at a later date.

4markk July 12, 2017 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by DakTo (Post 4449552)
Mark the commonwealth politicians and the liberals of Northern Virginia have not only taken over the state but are slowly chipping away with their gun control agenda. When I lived there, there was still open carry of hand guns prior to 1968.

Open Carry is and has been legal in BOTH Virginia (slight restriction on semi-auto rifles that are loaded with more than 20 rounds carried in metro areas of more than 100,000 people - only concealed handgun permit holders can do that legally) and Vermont (NO restrictions). So, not sure what you are talking about.

ALSO there hasn't been a Gun Control law passed in Virginia in over 20 years. I'm on the front lines of that one, visiting the legislature in Richmond when they are in session. Heck, my Delegate is a Range Buddy.

chasengineering July 12, 2017 19:34

NY compliant
 
Hello Dakto, yes I hate NY!... There are 3 things I learned from being a Startrek fan. The Borg hive is run by a (wifey) queen, you will be assimilated and resistance is futile. Back to the main topic if you fix the magazine before you assemble the rest of the gun it is not in the banned category. the gun can have all of the evil features, except the detachable mag. The parts themselves are not illegal, you can buy all the AR lowers you want over the counter here as long as you fix the 10 round mag before assembly your good to go........

wolfspotter1 July 12, 2017 20:32

I ordered a gas block & welded the gas port to make it a single shot, straight pull action. The fixed mag was just a precautionary measure. Still have original parts put aside.

raubvogel July 14, 2017 05:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4449581)
ALSO there hasn't been a Gun Control law passed in Virginia in over 20 years. I'm on the front lines of that one, visiting the legislature in Richmond when they are in session. Heck, my Delegate is a Range Buddy.

Do you also put the fear into their greasy hearts by visiting it naked?

bigstick61 July 14, 2017 15:25

The real trick is figuring out a non-permanent way of doing this such as to comply with California's new laws. There must be no way to remove the magazine without disassembly of the action (to include opening it up or separating the upper and lower assemblies).

The only non-permanent alternatives seem to be disassembly, removing parts necessary for function or at least semi-auto function (such as removing the gas piston and spring and setting the plug to the grenade setting), or going "featureless". All to some extent or another render the weapon incapable to use or make it impractical to use.

No one making compliance products for California so far seems to have expressed much interests in coming up with something for the FAL; there's something for the G-3, but not the FAL.

4markk July 14, 2017 15:39

1 Attachment(s)
Ok here is the new law in California:

SECTION 1. Section 30515 of the Penal Code is amended to read:

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:[list of comestic features that give leftist nightmares]

[]

(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.


This could be easy for the FAL. If you ran a set screw down the right side of the ejector block you can lock the mag release in place. I'm think cut a half cylinder in the guide post, drill and tap the hole flush on top with the BOH hole on top, and screw in a set screw long enough to prevent the mag release from moving.

Then it would require you disassemble the action to release the mag (break it open, removed the top cover, remove the bolt/carrier group, and remove the set screw).

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1500064848

chasengineering July 14, 2017 16:01

NY compliant
 
4Markk thank you for all of the effort you are putting into this for the benefit of the other members, instead of turning this into a romper room post.
The legal statutes you quote, are they from NY or Commiefornia.

sgr July 14, 2017 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasengineering (Post 4450686)
4Markk thank you for all of the effort you are putting into this for the benefit of the other members, instead of turning this into a romper room post.
The legal statutes you quote, are they from NY or Commiefornia.


+ 1 .

4markk July 14, 2017 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasengineering (Post 4450686)
4Markk thank you for all of the effort you are putting into this for the benefit of the other members, instead of turning this into a romper room post.
The legal statutes you quote, are they from NY or Commiefornia.

They are for the LEFT Coast. I believe NY's are less strict. It is my understanding that both of my ideas would work for NY. BUT the ejector block one would probably be without a doubt.

Thanks for the kind words. I've spent a career helping people behind enemy lines. That is where the most impact is made. (Besides if we tie the enemy up in a smaller area, they can't expand into others ;-)

bigstick61 July 15, 2017 01:29

4markk, are you saying to drill a hole that goes halfway through that protruding piece there? I really want to avoid drilling the ejector block if at all possible (which is why I said that there are no good options without permanently modifying stuff), but I do have a center receiver section with the ejector block that I might try this out on to see if it works. Certainly, it's better to do something to the ejector block than the receiver.

4markk July 15, 2017 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigstick61 (Post 4450903)
I really want to avoid drilling the ejector block if at all possible (which is why I said that there are no good options without permanently modifying stuff),

It would be extremely difficult to comply with a law that requires a "permanent" change in how a rifle was designed to function without permanently altering at lease one part. Of course the work "permanent" has several definitions.

I have a couple mid-sections I may play with. The 2nd order affect I am concerned with my design would be the set screw walking out and hitting the bolt. Therefore, I would recommend the head of the screw is well below the top of the ejector block and probably use blue LocTight.

gunplumber July 15, 2017 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4450668)
If you ran a set screw down the right side of the ejector block you can lock the mag release in place. I'm think cut a half cylinder in the guide post, drill and tap the hole flush on top with the BOH hole on top, and screw in a set screw long enough to prevent the mag release from moving.

Then it would require you disassemble the action to release the mag (break it open, removed the top cover, remove the bolt/carrier group, and remove the set screw).

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attac...1&d=1500064848

Good thinking, but it could be a spring loaded plunger like an FN 49 bolt hold open.

bigstick61 July 15, 2017 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4450941)
It would be extremely difficult to comply with a law that requires a "permanent" change in how a rifle was designed to function without permanently altering at lease one part. Of course the work "permanent" has several definitions.

I have a couple mid-sections I may play with. The 2nd order affect I am concerned with my design would be the set screw walking out and hitting the bolt. Therefore, I would recommend the head of the screw is well below the top of the ejector block and probably use blue LocTight.

The law doesn't require a "permanent" change; all it cares about is that as configured it does not have features X, Y, and Z, or it lacks a certain capability.

Permanent, in any case, does not mean irreversible. I guess I'm more concerned with the latter than the former. It's not like there's anyone making quality FAL parts in substantial quantities these days. If we were talking about a dime-a-dozen sort of AR-15, I would care far less about that.

gunplumber July 15, 2017 17:34

In pondering this a bit more - I don't have a specific way of doing it right now, but my thought is, a spring loaded plunger that introduces a mag catch block when the upper and lower are together. Break the upper open and the pin pops up, unblocking the mag catch.

NFADLR July 15, 2017 19:57

So like this somewhat for the AR but drilled and tapped into the top of the e block...

http://i.imgur.com/gmcT24sl.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by gunplumber (Post 4451116)
In pondering this a bit more - I don't have a specific way of doing it right now, but my thought is, a spring loaded plunger that introduces a mag catch block when the upper and lower are together. Break the upper open and the pin pops up, unblocking the mag catch.


4markk July 15, 2017 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigstick61 (Post 4451105)
The law doesn't require a "permanent" change; all it cares about is that as configured it does not have features X, Y, and Z, or it lacks a certain capability.

Of course it does. Do we really want to debate the legal meaning of "permanent"? Nothing is "permanent" in the strict meaning of the word. Especially nothing made by man. Anything can be changed and changed back, or changed into something else.

Permanent in a legal sense is based on intent. As in there is no intent to change from one state to another.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunplumber (Post 4451116)
In pondering this a bit more - I don't have a specific way of doing it right now, but my thought is, a spring loaded plunger that introduces a mag catch block when the upper and lower are together. Break the upper open and the pin pops up, unblocking the mag catch.

Interesting idea. Would be easier with an Argie cut receiver and Argie lower with the cross pin.

Root66 July 16, 2017 16:34

Bottom line, just about any ham-fisted DOJ or ATF who is going to check for a non-removable magazine is most likely gonna try to remove the mag by depressing the release lever; if depressing the lever won't allow the mag to be removed the issue will probably be settled.

Only under a more extreme "cavity search" type of investigation will the issue of "permanent" be debated.

gunplumber July 16, 2017 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFADLR (Post 4451167)
So like this somewhat for the AR but drilled and tapped into the top of the e block...

http://i.imgur.com/gmcT24sl.jpg

Wow - very clever. On the FAL the hinge is behind the mag catch, so that won't work, but that's exactly the principle I had in mind.

For those who can't seem to rent that U-Haul.

fullauto July 17, 2017 04:48

When faced with the same situation and not much time to remedy, I came up with this fix. Some may not want to D&T the receiver. I tried unsuccessfully with the allen screw thru the mag catch,then tried this approach. Ten rd DSA mag locked in. I drilled and tapped the side of the DSA receiver for the allen,then I snapped the mag in, and I drilled a dimple in the mag catch,put in the allen with blue locktite and use a stripper clip top cover. When the rifle gets to free america,it will convert in 2 mins. I will use a plug screw in place of the allen. I wouldn't have done this to a FN receiver ,but a DSA-Yeah. One gets to keep all the evil features(except detachable mag)and no need to register as its fixed mag.
http://i.imgur.com/iuz9suwb.jpg

4markk December 27, 2017 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullauto (Post 4451609)
I drilled and tapped the side of the DSA receiver for the allen,then I snapped the mag in, and I drilled a dimple in the mag catch,put in the allen with blue locktite and use a stripper clip top cover. When the rifle gets to free america,it will convert in 2 mins. I will use a plug screw in place of the allen.
http://i.imgur.com/iuz9suwb.jpg

This is not much different than my post #5, but doesn't seem to be compliant with "cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.".

I still think building on the idea in post #16 meets all the requirements.

1769 December 28, 2017 06:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4markk (Post 4449546)
Y'al need to take back Vermont from the Flower Children (Ethan Allen is rolling over in his grave).

At least all attempts at gun control have failed.

We've been sold down the river. Not enough of us real Vermonters to out vote the socialists. The only way we get control back is through armed conflict. Fortunately, they haven't succeeded in bringing in NY still gun control,,,Yet. We have a rhino gov. who is more Dem than Rep., but he has said that he will not sign any gun control laws in. Of course he is pro everything else Dem., including refugees and sanctuary crap. Send lawyers guns and money.

Slaughter December 28, 2017 07:46

bulletbutton.com has told me that they're working on a CA-Compliant magazine release that will work in the same context as the AR - you open the action to release and change the mag. They're smart folks. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Got 6 months to modify mine or move the safe to AZ.

JOEZETA January 04, 2018 10:44

If anyone builds a compliant NY Lower Iím interested !

jhend170 January 04, 2018 14:14

So removing the pin screw to take the (modified)mag release apart to remove it to then remove the magazine fails to comply with the "must disassemble the receiver" verbiage?

Can anyone think of a way to lock the magazine in from inside the receiver? If the rear of the magazine had an extended bendable tab I'm thinking it could be folded over inside the receiver in a way to not interfere with the carrier action, but so that it does require "disassembly" to remove. It's only permanent to the magazine and would seem to meet the requirement of the law. What I'm not seeing, like the RoK, is the need for a tool to be used to remove the magazine. If this is the case my idea might have merit to those of you behind enemy lines.

Have any thoughts Mark(s)?


Edit: thought of another possibility...

If the trigger guard had a tab on the forward portion of it that covered the pin screw hole for the mag catch when in place, the lower would at least have to be opened, or possibly removed, to access the pin screw and then remove the (modified) mag catch. It's a relatively minor change to a cheap and replaceable part (think DSA) that is reversible and not permanent. Would seem to meet the requirement perfectly.

Edit 2: I keep looking and thinking...

Over the weekend I helped a buddy install a little gadget on his 2013 F150 that must be removed to then take the tailgate off the truck. Tailgates getting stolen is big around here as the concentration of trucks is high and the theft is (normally) easy. The gadget simply pulled an existing screw and put this under it.

Similarly, like my idea above for a tab off the trigger guard, were the pivot screw head slightly machined down in diameter, a tab that the pivot screw passes through and covers the screw pin that holds the mag catch in place would then be possible. It would then absolutely require removal of the pivot screw to access. Once you've removed that you have functionally "disassembled" the FAL. So you have to remove the pivot screw to remove the plate covering the mag catch pin screw, to remove the modded mag catch to remove the magazine. If that doesn't meet the requirement of the law I don't know WTF would.

Something like this is what I'm thinking. Not intrusive, not permanent, easy to install with the pin replacement for the mag catch spring, could be stamped out of plate steel.

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madriverarms January 05, 2018 02:44

Here's my solution - a first try
 
Here's a quick and dirty solution I came up with:

http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.u...52d008efe4.jpg

http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.u...28dabedbd5.jpg

It's a one off solution for my FAL pistol build that started out as a single shot exempt pistol which was legally converted to semi auto. Just trying to keep one step ahead of bullshit registration. My next version would be something similar but utilizing a spring plunger that is keyed off a modifed lower that has the right pivot ear machined to cam a spring loaded mag locking plunger in or out depending on rotational position.

Spare me the usual "just move" BS people Ive heard it a ton of times before. Not looking for a sermon just posting a simple reversible solution for my ban state bretheren...

V guy January 05, 2018 12:15

http://nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-po...charges-2.html

This is a thread from the NY Firearms Forum
Go down to post #49 and read on.

A meeting with a District Atty who is prosecuting a case, says that the law does not allow any full featured AR15's, with any device that locks the mag in place, by any means, as the gun was designed with a removable mag---- and that cannot be changed except by welding.

He says that the intent of the law, until modified by the State Legislature, is that any modification to skirt the law with epoxy or removable devices, unless the mag is welded in, is bogus.

That means FOR NOW... alum mags tig welded in for AR15's, and Steel mags welded in for other iron receivers. Then you can have all the evil features you want. Loading a G3 will be very slow.

This DA says that, (and all NYS will DA's will agree with him on prosecutions) until the State Legislature agrees and writes a law on just what are approved legal modifications, he will prosecute any violation that comes to his attention.

Thorsden stocks are on a razors edge of legality, here, again as a lack of the Legislature clarifying the laws on what is an approved modification.......... and the DA says that he will not rule on them, but may prosecute them as still having a pistol type grip, and leave it all up to a gun hating fearful jury.

Tig, or Mig that mag in,.................. that is our choice, if unregistered.........and that may not be legal in the long run either.

Welding in a mag can be reversed, as can epoxy, and that welding may eventually be ruled not permanent, and be illegal too.
An AR receiver is so cheap that it is disposable and can be tig welded with an alum mag; an FAL receiver could be carefully tig spot welded in, but as in the AR, welds can be ground off.

The intent of the law was to make all detachable mag weapons illegal, unless registered, and that intent can be strengthened or weakened, as the legal semi auto detachable mag guns, like Saiga's and Remington 7400's, are a legal thorn in the bastards asses.

4markk January 05, 2018 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by madriverarms (Post 4522336)
Here's a quick and dirty solution I came up with:

It's a one off solution for my FAL pistol build that started out as a single shot exempt pistol which was legally converted to semi auto. Just trying to keep one step ahead of bullshit registration. My next version would be something similar but utilizing a spring plunger that is keyed off a modifed lower that has the right pivot ear machined to cam a spring loaded mag locking plunger in or out depending on rotational position.

I like it and it is MUCH easier than the idea I posted. In my uneducated opinion, it does seems to meet the definition of the law.

Quote:

Originally Posted by V guy (Post 4522467)
http://nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-po...charges-2.html

This is a thread from the NY Firearms Forum
Go down to post #49 and read on.

A meeting with a District Atty who is prosecuting a case, says that the law does not allow any full featured AR15's, with any device that locks the mag in place, by any means, as the gun was designed with a removable mag---- and that cannot be changed except by welding.

He says that the intent of the law, until modified by the State Legislature, is that any modification to skirt the law with epoxy or removable devices, unless the mag is welded in, is bogus.

That means FOR NOW... alum mags tig welded in for AR15's, and Steel mags welded in for other iron receivers. Then you can have all the evil features you want. Loading a G3 will be very slow.

This DA says that, (and all NYS will DA's will agree with him on prosecutions) until the State Legislature agrees and writes a law on just what are approved legal modifications, he will prosecute any violation that comes to his attention.

Thorsden stocks are on a razors edge of legality, here, again as a lack of the Legislature clarifying the laws on what is an approved modification.......... and the DA says that he will not rule on them, but may prosecute them as still having a pistol type grip, and leave it all up to a gun hating fearful jury.

Tig, or Mig that mag in,.................. that is our choice, if unregistered.........and that may not be legal in the long run either.

Welding in a mag can be reversed, as can epoxy, and that welding may eventually be ruled not permanent, and be illegal too.
An AR receiver is so cheap that it is disposable and can be tig welded with an alum mag; an FAL receiver could be carefully tig spot welded in, but as in the AR, welds can be ground off.

The intent of the law was to make all detachable mag weapons illegal, unless registered, and that intent can be strengthened or weakened, as the legal semi auto detachable mag guns, like Saiga's and Remington 7400's, are a legal thorn in the bastards asses.

WOW .... a REAL Appeals Court should find that an overly restrictive view of the law. But who wants to spend that time and money to bring it to an Appeal. And then count on the fact you have real judges on that Court that see the absurdity in that DA's opinion.

V guy January 05, 2018 13:01

The situation in NYS is frozen. Only a few prosecutions so far, and the big question is "just what is legal to do to work around the law?"

The legislature, State Police, and the DA's, are all on different pages.

Just what is legal, beyond what the law says is legal, and that law has to be defined;.......... and a Lib court would uphold any DA's interpretation of the law, THAT NOTHING IS LEGAL, REGARDING WORKAROUNDS.

Without further definition of legal epoxy modifications, bullet buttons, or time to disable and reverse the modifications, modifications that may or may not be permanent, and the intent of the law, all has to be defined.
Nothing is permanent, even welding.

What Cuomo wanted was an complete and entire ban on semi auto weapons, ORIGINALLY DESIGNED WITH DETACHABLE MAGS, and that is the intent of the law............. and it is unlikely to be changed anytime soon.

There was some discussion about cementing in the mag and slowing down the rate of reloading, but permanent ,even with welding may be illegal, as the guns was designed for the mag to be removable and that is what the DA says...."screw welding, that is reversible too." so any workaround, except the Saiga and Remington 7400, are not legal so far.

"Time to reverse" modifications WAS considered in the original clever law, as ANYTHING can be modified and that is why Cuomo banned all new builds too.

I suspect that Thordsen stocks will be ruled illegal, as they are VIRTUALLY the same thing as a thumbhole stock....... THAT THUMBHOLE STOCK IS ILLEGAL NOW.

New FAL's will have to be almost a copy of the FN-49, to be legal here.

Abominog January 05, 2018 14:11

The G1 has an accessory lug not bayonet lug. Pop off the pistol grip and itís NY legal.

Or get a semi 1919 and use as is.

4markk January 05, 2018 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abominog (Post 4522515)
The G1 has an accessory lug not bayonet lug. Pop off the pistol grip and itís NY legal.

Or get a semi 1919 and use as is.

That is kinda funny when you think about it .... Belt = LEGAL ..... Mag = Not .....

Abominog January 05, 2018 14:33

Century l1a1 with neutered barrel is a good option as well. Cut down PG and good to go NYS legal FAL for under $800

V guy January 05, 2018 14:50

Right now in NYS Gunshops, you can buy an AR-15 with a either spur grip = cut down pistol grip, or a Thordsen stocked gun. Only evil feature allowed on those guns is the detachable mag.

All are illegal according to that DA, who is in contact will all other DA's thru the NYS Ag's office.

The NYS AG will eventually come down hard, soon enough, on those spur and Thordsen equipped guns. Cumo will drive the AG to do it, to show he is hard on guns.

Problem is, that the State Police not have time to search out the guns.

bigstick61 January 05, 2018 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhend170 (Post 4522118)
So removing the pin screw to take the (modified)mag release apart to remove it to then remove the magazine fails to comply with the "must disassemble the receiver" verbiage?

What have you looked at that makes you believe it to be the case that the ability to remove the magazine catch on a firearm without disassembly of the action makes it not a fixed-mag firearm?

Bubacus January 05, 2018 16:33

Not sure if this idea would help to limit the mag before fixing it to the receiver:

http://www.ultimate-tacticalgear.com...y-made-in-usa/

http://www.ultimate-tacticalgear.com...16/10/fal1.jpg

jhend170 January 09, 2018 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigstick61 (Post 4522561)
What have you looked at that makes you believe it to be the case that the ability to remove the magazine catch on a firearm without disassembly of the action makes it not a fixed-mag firearm?

Nothing, other than the pontifications of others. To me, if you need to unscrew something to remove a part you have "disassembled" it. It seems the purpose of the law (other than more control of you, the peasants) is to make it impossible to quickly reload a semi-auto. This meets that particular requirement if that truly is the desire of the law. But then again I don't live in a fugged up state where I even HAVE to think about such things, unless I so choose.

I know everyone in places like this hate hearing it, but take your tax dollars and leave. You, the tax payers, support these idiots. If you leave the state with nothing but a bunch of leeches hanging from the gub'ment teat, and the teat has run dry because they ran off all of the milk producers, then change will have to happen. Kali, NY, IL, MA... I want to see them all go broke. Kali is on the verge anyway. Like the great line from that cinematic masterpiece Airplane!,"They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, LET 'EM CRASH!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

bigstick61 January 14, 2018 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhend170 (Post 4523495)
Nothing, other than the pontifications of others. To me, if you need to unscrew something to remove a part you have "disassembled" it. It seems the purpose of the law (other than more control of you, the peasants) is to make it impossible to quickly reload a semi-auto. This meets that particular requirement if that truly is the desire of the law. But then again I don't live in a fugged up state where I even HAVE to think about such things, unless I so choose.

I know everyone in places like this hate hearing it, but take your tax dollars and leave. You, the tax payers, support these idiots. If you leave the state with nothing but a bunch of leeches hanging from the gub'ment teat, and the teat has run dry because they ran off all of the milk producers, then change will have to happen. Kali, NY, IL, MA... I want to see them all go broke. Kali is on the verge anyway. Like the great line from that cinematic masterpiece Airplane!,"They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, LET 'EM CRASH!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

You people repeat that crap ad nauseum. Not all of us are in a position to leave, and those of us who are, well, I can understand the indignation at the idea that it is people like us who have to be the ones to leave our homes and not the assholes causing these problems.

Regarding the plate idea, the pivot pin for security is, I think, a no-go since the removal does not prevent the firearm from being fired (as much as it might not be the most advisable thing to do). By the letter of the regulations, it does not constitute disassembly of the action.

However, the idea of using a plate to cover the head of the magazine catch pivot screw is a good one. I was able to come up with a way to shape it so that the action has to be pivoted open in order for the mag catch pivot screw to be accessible. The design would not obstruct the action from being pivoted nor would it be removable without separating the action halves. It is intended to work in conjunction with a drop-in fixed mag system being designed by one of our other members with whom I've been collaborating. I've already made a model using less durable materials just to see if it would work (so far, so good).

The upside to having a true drop-in system is that it requires no gunsmithing or other work and does not permanently affect any major part. It is also easy to replace/undo. I do like the idea of using the set screw through the ejector block for those who have no problems with drilling and tapping that part to take the screw.

bigstick61 January 14, 2018 04:22

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Originally Posted by Bubacus (Post 4522586)
Not sure if this idea would help to limit the mag before fixing it to the receiver:

http://www.ultimate-tacticalgear.com...y-made-in-usa/

http://www.ultimate-tacticalgear.com...16/10/fal1.jpg

I don't know if they're still made, but the mag blocks I use are simpler and cost a small fraction of that price. While they were made out of some kind of synthetic material, they could easily be made out of wood. They attach to the bottom of the spring.

Macho Hambre January 18, 2018 18:08

Modify the Mag?
 
Another possible way to block access to the pin hole is to just tack weld a small strip of metal on the magazine body in a location so that when the mag is installed in the rifle, the pin-hole is covered by the metal strip. Easy-peasy.. Surplus steel mags are the cheap part so it makes sense to me that this would be desirable over modifying the rifle. Something similar to this:

[IMG]<a href='https://postimages.org/' target='_blank'><img src='https://s6.postimg.org/m5cub9zxd/battle_rifle_imbel_640.jpg' border='0' alt='battle_rifle_imbel_640'/></a>[/IMG]

What say the hive?

V guy January 18, 2018 20:18

I'd say its legal.

The State Police probably will not arrest anyone with such fixes, UNLESS, like in the NYS case mentioned above, the asshole comes out with an AR-15, shoots a dog with the 30 round mag & catch, kind of epoxied, on an unregistered AR-15.

A 10 round mag would probably have passed muster with the SP;
WHO DO NOT TO WANT TO ARREST ANYONE for a safe act violation, unless a real crime has been committed. Then the lawyers get involved, like the DA in question.

Welded is good.


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