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R4 fan
July 17, 2003, 12:49
Anyone have any photos of the gray colored Belgian Army rifles? I was reading about it in "The FAL Rifle" and all they have is black and white photos. Anyone know why they were gray? Was a paint type finish used? Anyone have their rifle finished similar? :?

law4fun
July 17, 2003, 14:12
medium gloss Battleship Gray paint over park. There were some pics a while back in the image section. I may have saved them on the home computer. I will look tonite. I sent a PM to the individual who I believe originally posted them, just in case I lost my copies.

R4 fan
July 17, 2003, 14:51
Thanks. I would like to see an actual photo, plus I want to see if everything was gray, or did they leave the sights, etc. in the black/blued finish.

law4fun
July 17, 2003, 15:19
IIRC, everything was gray. I looked and could not find the original post on the FILES....hopefully, it is saved on my home machine. I will post and advise.

law4fun
July 17, 2003, 19:07
I found the pics that I was looking for....

law4fun
July 17, 2003, 19:08
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law4fun
July 17, 2003, 19:09
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law4fun
July 17, 2003, 19:10
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R4 fan
July 17, 2003, 20:00
THANKS! I searched everywhere for an actual photo of one of these rifles. Your post is GREATLY appreciated! :bow: :bow: :bow:

Falcon
July 17, 2003, 21:32
Fwiw,there is a good description of the belgian grey coloring on page 228 in the metric section of Blake's FAL book.Here is another pic of the FN receiver markings on this belgian congo issue FAL 'Canada'.

John Culver
July 17, 2003, 21:40
That looks like Anders gun

R4 fan
July 17, 2003, 22:18
Originally posted by Falcon:

Fwiw,there is a good description of the belgian grey coloring on page 228 in the metric section of Blake's FAL book...

I saw that. The only thing I hate about Blake's book is that there are no color photos, and they always take photos with the carry handle down/hidden and never the other side of the rifle.

Para Driver
July 17, 2003, 22:43
Originally posted by John Culver
That looks like Anders gun

were those a contract for the Zimbabwe Navy or something?

law4fun
July 17, 2003, 23:22
That would be the one. He was a lifesaver with his detail pics of this one.

Originally posted by John Culver
That looks like Anders gun

Peter Wells
July 18, 2003, 03:15
As law4fun says "medium gloss Battleship Gray paint over park" but even within that description I have seen some variations here in SA.

'Palest' was about the same as 'Microsoft grey' (as in this text box) - that was on a very early SA Contract M1 rifle (in our Navy's inventory) with the pale grey, glass-fibre hand-guards if I remember correctly.

The darker tones were all the way up to a charcoal grey (almost black).

I have no idea why they were delivered grey.

EMDII
July 18, 2003, 10:33
And my 50-63 was a distinctive grey-green, similar to the light grey green seen on German camouflage.

Para Driver
July 18, 2003, 10:35
Originally posted by EMDII
And my 50-63 was a distinctive grey-green, similar to the light grey green seen on German camouflage.

ditto on that 50.63... a touch of olive in that paint...

Lee Carpentieri
June 14, 2007, 02:31
Anders or whoevers Fal that is pictured above is a Belgium Force Publique Fal of the then Belgium Congo Army 1958. The host region of the world at the time adopted the same weapons as when the Belgians colonized a region of the world back then. 1958 is the third year of issue. That design is also reffered to as a Fal Canada model back in the fifties and early sixies.

101ABN327
June 23, 2007, 21:44
I used Alumahyde Park Grey from Brownells on this one...

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/19020rifles_001.jpg

ostrobothnian
June 23, 2007, 22:16
Dang. That's gorgeous. Where did you find that bayonet and where was it made?

ruudje-c
June 24, 2007, 00:01
Belgium on line . I had the opportunity to take some pics of a Belgian Fal .
At the moment the Belgian army still have a few thousands of Fals in stock but they are due to destroy . The Falos are already melted . I was not allowed to touch or get closer to the rifle so the pics are not the best .
Anyway , here we go .

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/ruudje-c/IMG_0021-1.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/ruudje-c/IMG_0023-2.jpg

101ABN327
June 24, 2007, 10:47
Originally posted by ostrobothnian
Dang. That's gorgeous. Where did you find that bayonet and where was it made?

Thanks. It's a nice rifle and is really accurate!

Found the bayonet at a local gun show for $60. It is mint unissued! I had to heat the locking latch up to break the hardened cosmoline. It was made in Belgium...

ruudje-c
June 24, 2007, 12:58
101ABN327 , nice rifle and the bayonet is a very nice find . It's getting very difficult to find a bayo in such condition here in Belgium .
One remark , the frog is not the correct one for a Belgium .
Greetings

J. Armstrong
June 24, 2007, 13:17
Looks S African ?
Rudy, which is the correct frog ?Seems like thare are quite a few variations, and I don't know s--- about which frogs or scabbards go where :)

101ABN327
June 24, 2007, 14:36
Originally posted by ruudje-c
101ABN327 , nice rifle and the bayonet is a very nice find . It's getting very difficult to find a bayo in such condition here in Belgium .
One remark , the frog is not the correct one for a Belgium .
Greetings

Yes. It's SA but the only one I had laying around... I should find a Belgian from the same period. Any suggestions?

Thx,
101

Strike Penguin
June 24, 2007, 15:52
What does a correct Belgian bayonet frog look like? My Belgian Type A bayonet came with the metal scabbard but no frog. I didn't even realize I was missing one until I saw 101ABN's rifle.

I see also that the rear sight ramp on that M2 isn't painted. Was that a normal procedure? It's hard to tell from Anders' pictures if the sight ramp on his M1 is painted but I believe he told me the whole lower was covered with paint. I can see why it would be left unpainted (to facilitate sliding the sight body).

J. Armstrong
June 24, 2007, 20:54
Originally posted by 101ABN327


Yes. It's SA but the only one I had laying around... I should find a Belgian from the same period. Any suggestions?

Thx,
101

Who can blame ya - I've got a couple of the SAs around, but as to any others I am clueless, so I used 'em on all my stuff too !!

ruudje-c
June 25, 2007, 16:56
Belgian frog :


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/ruudje-c/IMG_0031-2.jpg

Abominog
June 25, 2007, 20:43
Belgian Frog: A French citizen residing in Flemmish territories.


When did the Belgians go from Type A to Type B/C? What are the designations?


Oh, can you get a copy of that manual there?

J. Armstrong
June 25, 2007, 20:49
Hmmmm, doesn't look that much different than a S african frog after all :D

Guess it only eats Belgian flies, too :?

I can already see the zipper pix being loaded !!

Strike Penguin
June 25, 2007, 21:38
Originally posted by ruudje-c
Belgian frog :See, there's a very good reason I refer to the Belgian army rifle gray as "mud gray"...

Lee Carpentieri
June 26, 2007, 04:12
That frog looks like its been to the Belgium and South African camo paint shop.

ruudje-c
June 26, 2007, 13:52
Sorry , sorry , just noticed that I've posted the wrong pic .
Next time I will pay more attention .
Here come the correct pics .
The Belgian army had the type A bayo in use with the wooden handguards and with black plastic , for their para Fals they used the tubular . All used the same frog .

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/ruudje-c/IMG_0019-2.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/ruudje-c/IMG_0017-1.jpg

J. Armstrong
June 26, 2007, 14:39
This would explain why my bayonet falls off the webbing every time a bug flies past :uhoh:

A special thanks for the second pix :biggrin: :beer:

Lee Carpentieri
June 27, 2007, 02:53
Ruudje-c, If thats the correct frog for the Belgium M1 bayonet, You have just made my week. As I bought the same bayonet and frog from a person off of Gun broker last year in un-issued condition and fits my real Belgium M1 Fal perfectly which completed my Belgium Fal collection. Thank you thank you thank you kind sir. Now I have to learn how to load pictures to contribute to the Fal Files.

ruudje-c
June 27, 2007, 03:19
You can be sure , this time its the correct frog .:smile:

Andy the Aussie
June 27, 2007, 03:31
Does a Belgian Frog taste different to a French one ?? Pan fried in a little garlic and some onions...... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :uhoh: :cool: :cool:

Sorry for the deviation.....but I am unable to resist the opporunity for some cheap humor.

ruudje .....thanks very much for all the great pics and infor you bring.

Andy:cool: