Entreprise receivers? The Collection Sticky!

[JDSlack9999]

Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of these receivers?

(EvMod has changed the spelling to ENTREPRISE)

[EMDII]

MOVED
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=603596
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And yes, folks have plenty of opinions.

I have two (Entreprise receivers that is): an Inch and a Metric TYpe 1. BOTH are excellent quality, and required little fitting, on par or better than RECENT IMBEL receivers. A spate of poorly made Inch receivers got past a bad machine (FAL Files members ID'd the beastie), and laksadaisical QC. Entreprise (yes it's spelled weird) has fixed the QC, but not the machine, so they aren't making new Inch receivers yet. EAI has some commitments for OIF apprently, and are not making new Inch recs.

They are not DSA, true. You'll get plenty of love/hate stories. Expect this: Nearly ANY receiver made, including a few DSA, will require some fitting. First thing: screw the barrel into the new rec and VERIFY it times to about 10:30 by hand. IF it doesn't, you are going to have some intersting times, regardless of WHO made it.

I like my Entreprise recs. I had GG build one, and Heavy Arms another.

For other opinions, wait here. You'll get plenty, pro and con. And use that 'search' thingy in the upper right corner of your page. Type in 'Entreprise' and select 'Titles only' and see what you get. Spelling does matter (like size), because they spell it different.
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Enjoy!

[EMDII]

Here's a few custom search masks similar to those I use in R&D (from whence you've moved):

Entreprise: Who are those guys anyway? (VENDORS) (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/search.php?s=&searchuser=&exactname=yes&titleonly=yes&showposts=&searchdate=-1&sortby=title&sortorder=ascending&beforeafter=after&query=Entreprise*&forumchoice=13&action=simplesearch)

Entreprise: ANY thread in Vendors that contains the word- (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/search.php?s=&searchuser=&exactname=yes&titleonly=&showposts=&searchdate=-1&sortby=title&sortorder=ascending&beforeafter=after&query=Entreprise*&forumchoice=13&action=simplesearch)

Entreprise: part deux (GFD) (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/search.php?s=&searchuser=&exactname=yes&titleonly=yes&showposts=&searchdate=-1&sortby=title&sortorder=ascending&beforeafter=after&query=Entreprise*&forumchoice=50&action=simplesearch)

Entreprise: part trois (G/BiY) (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/search.php?s=&searchuser=&exactname=yes&titleonly=yes&showposts=&searchdate=-1&sortby=title&sortorder=ascending&beforeafter=after&query=Entreprise*&forumchoice=12&action=simplesearch)

Entreprise: part quattre: REVIEWS donchyano (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/search.php?s=&searchuser=&exactname=yes&titleonly=yes&showposts=&searchdate=-1&sortby=title&sortorder=ascending&beforeafter=after&query=Entreprise*&forumchoice=16&action=simplesearch)

[EMDII]

Start in REVIEWS, and then go to GUNSMITHING/BUILD IT YOURSELF (G/BiY).
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[gw11]

JDSlack9999
You will find that everything Ted said is true! With the addition of the fact that Entreprise has a terrific return policy for when they do mess up. Just remember to mention the Falfiles and only deal with Lawrence if there is a return. He is a very professional person that will stand by his word.
gw11

[Falunga]

Nothing wrong with Entreprise for the price. Decent receiver for the money. It will take a bit more fitment and monkeying around smoothing burs off of the mag rails but they are decent. I have had few problems. I like them and suggest them to anyone who is interested in building one. If you are in Wisconsin give me a ring and maybe I can help with your build.

Jim :fal: FALunga

[EMDII]

And WELCOME to the Files, BTW.

Resistance is Futile, You WILL Be Assimilated!
:devil:

[cal]

they are horrible. someone said they had a great return policy. thats a crock. buy from anywhere, but not them. your chances of getting a good one go up ten-fold if you don't buy from them. i learned the hard way. i'm dsa from here on out.

[sparky]

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they are horrible. someone said they had a great return policy. thats a crock. buy from anywhere, but not them. your chances of getting a good one go up ten-fold if you don't buy from them. i learned the hard way. i'm dsa from here on out.
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Stay away unless you like to gamble and don't mind losing, BTW it seems there customer service has gone from alright to bad.

I ask again have the guys from the failed inch group buy been taken care of?

[EMDII]

Originally posted by cal
they are horrible. someone said they had a great return policy. thats a crock. buy from anywhere, but not them. your chances of getting a good one go up ten-fold if you don't buy from them. i learned the hard way. i'm dsa from here on out.

You've failed so far to detail your complaint. Capische? See your commentary in reviews, or wherever. But as of yet, no details.
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[avanarts]

I have an Entreprise type III. I had to do a bit of fitting to get the barrel timed, but everything else went smoothly. I was even lucky enough to be able to use the locking shoulder that came with my South African kit. I've had it for a couple of years now, and would say that it is a nice receiver.

[ratas calientes]

I have assembled two - a Type I and a type III. Search my former posts to see what problems I had. (If you can't find them, let me know, and I'll see if I can help you out.) Bottom line: both rifles work fine now, but I had many fitting problems. I would shy away from another . . . but there is still that question of what to do with my inch kit, since Entreprise appears to still be the only current supplier of inch receivers. For now, the inch kit sits in reserve for a rainy day.

[FALJUNKIE]

Try emailing some of the gunsmiths such as ARS,AZEX,CGW and some others.
The ones that I mentioned won't build on anything but DSA, IMBEL or
Coonan as far as I know. Maybe they can let you know what they found good
or bad about Entreprise receivers.

[Thunderbred]

I have two type one recievers from Enterprise I built rifles on a while back. The rifles assembled easily and look beautiful, I did the work myself. Granted I'm a machinist and fabricator, but I did little work on the recievers. I may have got lucky, there is always lemons in any production of equipment. I've had good experiences with customer service as well. Jeff

[splattermatic]

i've had 5 entreprise receivered fals, and have like them all...
no problems what so ever, with any of them..course i don't build my own,(no time) but the finished products have all looked and functioned beautifully..

if you have any questions or concerns call them and ask for lawrence,,

he's a real nice guy and will be happy to assist you...

as a side note, my poyer was shipped from them and MY dealer was being a dick, i called (not knowing they shipped it) and got lawrence on the line...

after a brief explanation, he says i know you ??????? from me.......
how ??
from here (the files) and from ordering recvrs......
well anyways,,, we got the issues with my dealer worked out, and lawrence was most pleasureable to work with... even with the phone calls and faxes to my dealer, unrelated to an entreprise recvr....

you catch more bees with honey, than you do with vinegar.....

and lawrence if you read this.....

THANKS for all the help with my poyer................


mark

so as a last note,, there are some who have had issues with them,, as said before, there is always a lemon or two out there,, call them and and they will make it right...

[vmtz]

Gotta agree with splattermatic. I would buy another from them.

Vince

[FULLMAG]

I've got 2 Type III's from Entreprise. Had a few small problems with the 2nd
one, but it wasn't anything that Lawrence didn't graciously take care of. Very
good communication on his part. Wouldn't hesitate for a minute to order again!

If you're reading this, thanks Lawrence and Howard!:bow:

FULLMAG:fal:

[johnnv]

I had two kits built on their receivers. One is inch the other metric and they function just fine. Lifetime warrenty on their receivers is a real plus. I'll be sending Lawrence another kit in a couple of weeks.

[High Road]

Buy the way, Is Etreprise still making the inch variation ? Seems I read a thread awhile back , that stated they had quit making their inch receiver.

[EMDII]

They have only recently shipped the CNC out for a complete rebuild. They have some government work, and needed the space anyway. Sad: I love my Inch/GG rifle, and need another receiver to make a C1 and then an Aussie L1.

[hotel triple nickle]

I ordered an inch receiver for one of my 2 Aussie L1A1's last june and it arrived two weeks ago. looks like it needs minor fitting and the feed ramp appears to have a unibrow. I'm sending it off to George Gouger at Double G gunsmithing soon as I finish the furniture. took a long time but seems worth the wait. Now I believe my Coonan is enroute as FAC charges hit my debit card on Friday. soon I'll have two FAL's up and running. If you're interested I'll post digital pix of the Entreprise before I ship it to George.

[High Road]

A pic. would be nice. Does this mean that Lawrence has some in stock ?

['clees]

I've built 2 Israeli Entreprise receivers with good results. The only fitting required was the charging handle guide on one of them, but that could have been the handle itself. The only other "complaint" is the serial number was stamped pretty shallow. These receivers were from late '01.

[gumby]

I've probably purchased close to 20 of their receivers in the past couple years. Most have been very good in terms of headspacing, indexing, general fit, etc. I generally repark them because I find their finish too rough for my liking. I've had 2, (maybe 3 max) that required a return to the factory. Lawrence has always done a great job in providing good customer service.


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[J. Armstrong]

2 or 3 returns out of 20 ?? A 10+% defective rate ? Spare me, I don't like those odds even a little bit. There's always gonna be an occasional clunker, but c'mon - this is the 21st century ! To the point - My old ( 4 yrs? ) Entreprise was pretty good - an inch, by the way. My last one ( about 1 yr ) was a stinker. Sold it without finihing the kit. No thank you:tongue: Indexing way off, holdopen hole undersixed, burred, and not quite vertical, rough edges. Poop.

[jimmieZ]

I've built using a half-dozen of the Entreprise receivers - about evenly split between type 1 and type 3. About equal in the little "quirks" encountered. No more difficult to build on than the later versions of the Imbel (from 2001 to present - which have their own quirks). Seeing as how they are another US part, I buy them whenever I can get a good deal on one.

Jim Z

[fredjones]

ok i've herd a lot of love / hate stories about enterprize they made a great product and there return policy was good lawrance is the man un fortunatly there was a problem and lawrence is no longer part of enterprize i feel since this change and others that there service and product quality has suffered and i will no longer do buisness with them you cannot compare the enterprize of a few years ago with the enterprize of today its sad but ufortunatly just the way it is

[EMDII]

f/j:
Izat just because Lawrence left, or did you have a personal experience w/ an Entreprise receiver or rifle:? Just curious-
:wink:

[DABTL]

I got my last inch receiver in the batch that was bad. I returned it and they said it would be replaced some months later.

I last contacted them and they had no idea what I was talking about.

I still need an inch so I will probably go for another if they are making them. I will look see and take another run at it.

I am sorry Lawrence is gone. He was an asset to them.

[tech116]

I have an Entreprise type III used on a st58 Kit went real good. Was my first time. Going to do a new kit just don't which one yet :biggrin:

[jlane]

Just finished a Izzy HB on an Entreprise Izzy match receiver. Other than barrel timing every thing went together well, fit and finish are every bit as good as DSA. I'm very happy with it. The barrel timed at 10:00 miner fitting needed. Gun is running great no issues. I'll buy Entreprise again.

Jim Fuller

[Mebsuta]

I asked them if they had any type IIIs in stock. The nice lady named Lily said, "Dear Mebsuta, yes of course," so I ordered a couple. As long as they are serviceable I'll be happy. I do like the Entreprise hammer and sear. Will prolly post some pictures when they show up. We shall see.

[Mebsuta]

Here's an Entreprise type III. So far it is assembling about like an Imbel.

[Rooster]

Keep us updated on the final results

[vmtz]

Originally posted by Rooster
Keep us updated on the final results

With luck mine should be in this next week. I'll let you all know how the build goes.

Vince

[Mebsuta]

Finished mine this morning. For a blow by blow go here. It was pretty easy. I wonder how Vince's will go together.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1218979#post1218979

[vmtz]

Looks nice. Called them today and they are shipping out today. I should have mine next week, will build ASAP adn post pictures/report.

Vince

[armsoffreedom]

Please people stop and think some before you say somethimg. It just maybe that , that it the way it is. Nothing in this world is allways the way it is to be. Or for that matter right. Things made on a machine is mostly right. I have learned that alittle loving car can go a long way. DONT condem things so quickly. Remember that we all goof. It is the same with manufactures too. I have built on many different rewcievers and could find something wrong with everyone if I tried.

[tommoor]

I have two Entreprise inch receivers I inherited from my brother. He bought them I believe in early 1993. I have read that Entreprise had QC problems on inch receivers but at a much later time. I also have two inch kits he purchased at the same time. I want to build up at least one into a L1A1 as a shooter. What does anyone know of Entreprise quality around that time? Thanks

[BUFF]

I know that their inch receivers were excellent then. I have inch receivers from Entreprise from just before (my very first FAL, 1990 or 1991) and just after 1993. Went together easily, look great and have performed flawlessly.

Sorry for the passing of your brother. Just from what you have written, he was apparently a shooter of taste! He left you some nice things.

[armsoffreedom]

The QC problems were in the mid 90s. If you pay attention to what you are doing you should not have any probs. The related probs I had were simple. One was bolt carrier fit, and the other was that the locking lug on the reciever was too high. The carefull us of a file and fitting will solve both in no time. Take your time and think befor you do.

[tommoor]

Thanks for the replies and the note on my brother. He enjoyed all types of guns and left me over 20 guns. I have a few thousand rounds of .308 so I need one to deplete the stock.

[Ductapeman]

---So here it is mid-August of '05 now, and I can't get their website up, and when I tried to call them I got an unspecified "Your-Call-Cannot-Be-Completed" message-- what's up?? Does anyone know whether they're still in the biz, and how to reach them?? I'd love to pick up one of their Type-3s--

[Mebsuta]

Still in biz.

http://www.entreprise.com/

[torquemada055]

I notice the website say's "Taking orders for another possible production run".

So there are none in stock and it's a maybe as to IF they are going to make anymore.

My Aussie SLR is beginning to think it will never make it breathing flame and snorting bullets.......:sad:

[Prototype Services]

I got an email from Lily, they shipped 4 more to me today!:biggrin:
Dave

[Tomovich]

I had an Entreprise to build an StG 58 on back in 95 or so. Gawd! The build from hell. :redface: Everything needed to be redone, adjusted, filed, machined, it was horrible but I finally got it to work perfect and then sold the rifle ASAP. Since then I built two gear logo Imbels (perfect) and one Coonan (perfect). I'm finishing up another Coonan right now. They are NICE!! Looks like I'll need about three more of these puppies though. If you guys think the new Entreprises have improved that much I may buy a couple. Otherwise maybe wait for an Imbel or Coonan.

How do the Entreprises compare with the Century's??? They're pretty darn inexpensive!!! What do you think of them?? What "extra work" do they need to function??

[Rivaltm]

would it be legal to go back over their "Engraving" with an engraving machine? that dot matrix writing looks horrible to me

[Tomovich]

As long as the serial number is there, the manufacture's name is there (and I think the caliber?) and it's all permanent you can do whatever you like. ;)

Now again, I'm asking if anyone knows what mods were necessary to use a CAI receiver for a build?? Anything specifically wrong with them?? TIA :)

[Tomovich]

I now have two Entreprise type III metric and one Century Inch receiver on their way here. We shall see how these babies go together and I'll gladly report details here later on.................... :]

[gunplumber]

The QC problems were in the mid 90s.

Do a search on the 2005 inch patterns. No change in the QC problems.



Originally posted by armsoffreedom
DONT condem things so quickly. Remember that we all goof. It is the same with manufactures too.

Would you consider Entre'prise taking surplus import floorplates, engraving them "EAI ", spraypainting them black and selling them as US made 922 compliant parts to be a "goof"?

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/webpictures/faleaifloorplate.jpg

[Stranger]

:uhoh:

[Tomovich]

No $H!T?????? Wouldn't that be putting HUNDREDS if not thousands of customers at riske of a felony arrest and conviction?????? :uhoh: :mad: :cry:

[truckjohn]

Doubt it would cause you any trouble.....

You have a receipt that states it is a US made
compliant part....

It is engraved with US manufacturer markings......

So.... it is US made.

In "theory" anyone could do the same -- take foreign gas pistons,
grind a flat in them and mark them "Whatever Co" USA......
How would you actually know?

Best regards

John

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by truckjohn
How would you actually know?
John

There are two questions "How would you know" questions, I suppose. The first, its pretty easy to identify a US part. Particualraly when you have hundreds if not thousands of import parts with which to compare.. Tool Mark forensics. Not heavy CSI stuff, but like the DSA -USA engraved hammer with an Austrian proof mark on it, and the Receiver bearing Brazilian batch marks , but engraved "SAW, CHandler AZ" - it just doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that something smells rotten.

When the substrate is rusted, but the engraving is not, the oxidation occured prior to engraving. Duh!

Now "how would you know" from a philosophical standpoint - When a company blatantly lies and cheats ona $2 part, can any correlation be made to how you will be treated with a complaint on a $300 part or a $1000 rifle?

Entreprise sold any shred of company integrity for $2. Whats your honor worth?

[Mebsuta]

The Entreprise followers and floorplates I have are not marked like those in the picture. FPs are stamped Made in USA, and the followers are not marked on mine. I bought them 2-3 years ago.

The floorplates on the $3.00 magazines that were selling a while back look better than that one. If they were going to cheat, you would think they would at least blast and parkerize them.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Mebsuta
If they were going to cheat, you would think they would at least blast and parkerize them.

It was rattle-can painted black. I dipped it in alcohol to strip the paint. It came with an Invoice from EAI

[derek huffman, azexarms]

Plus years of trolling on the old board, from "anon" IPs all originating from Kalifornia.

Funny how everyone who critized them got trolled.

Crap, poop, shyt, feces, excrement, Entreprize

D.
AZEX

[bubbavern]

I tried calling them last week to talk to someone about a STG58 a local shop has. Wanted info on IDing us parts, what parts were supposed to be US, etc. Couldn't even get someone who spoke English to answer their main phone number....

[Captain Phil]

So, after reading about their receivers, and them as a company, I think the only thing to do with anything "Enterprise" is to drop back 5 yards and punt!

Thank y ou gunplumber for your information. When someone I trust gives me the low-down, I takie heed. Every time.

[EntrepriseMike]

Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

The new manufacturing group is also quite talented. The new receivers will be excellent. With manufacturing back in full swing, company focus has been in the noisy back area, where Entreprise's future is being built one piece at a time. Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's, Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals. Entreprise does not want to be responsible for the reprehensible work of a few unqualified gunsmiths. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise. It would be nice to see some of the detractors produce more than slander.

For the various gun smiths trying to make a living by building up stories about 15 year old manufacture, Entreprise sincerely hopes that they get rich off their slanderous remarks and libelous writings. It's no fun to sue mouthy, opinionated, judgment-proof cynics who don't even have the money to cover the damages they inflict on the innocent.

For those who have gone to ridiculous lengths to find something untrue to say about Entreprise, this might be a good time to reconsider. Especially if you have written something untrue based on a minor “contribution” from an Entreprise competitor for the primary purpose of slandering Entreprise’s name for the benefit of the competitor. Libel, slander, interference with prospective advantage, interference with business relations, and intentional infliction are just a few law suits people might want to avoid defending. Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney.

[gunplumber]

So whatcha saying there Mikey?

A. That EAI did not engrave the above imported, surplus floorplate (I do have the shipping receipt and will be happy to discuss tool-mark forensics).

B. Or that it really is US made, and you all just dented it up and put years of rust on it first, before engraving?

C. Its UPS's fault, the gunsmith's fault, a new worker, bad ammo, resetting the machines, lost in the mail, clerical error etc . (your fall-back excuses for most other complaints).

If you really think you can suppress the truth by threats of litigation - you are sorely mistaken. The archives demonstrate a long, well documented history of EAI's lies and deceit. I have plenty of documentation, just on my personal experience with the dishonesty of your company representatives. So if you're feeling froggy, baby . . . .jump!.

The new receivers will be excellent. . . . Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's. . .However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals.

Not sure what you are saying here? First it appears that you are admitting your previous receivers were often out-of-spec garbage (which kindof kills your desire to sue people who happened to notice mags falling out, etc), but then it appears you want to blame the gunsmith for your defective parts . . . . which is it?

But I'm sure we'll all get a kick out of your explanation of the EAI "US" floorplate above. We are waiting . .. . .

[DABTL]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

The new manufacturing group is also quite talented. The new receivers will be excellent. With manufacturing back in full swing, company focus has been in the noisy back area, where Entreprise's future is being built one piece at a time. Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's, Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals. Entreprise does not want to be responsible for the reprehensible work of a few unqualified gunsmiths. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise. It would be nice to see some of the detractors produce more than slander.

For the various gun smiths trying to make a living by building up stories about 15 year old manufacture, Entreprise sincerely hopes that they get rich off their slanderous remarks and libelous writings. It's no fun to sue mouthy, opinionated, judgment-proof cynics who don't even have the money to cover the damages they inflict on the innocent.

For those who have gone to ridiculous lengths to find something untrue to say about Entreprise, this might be a good time to reconsider. Especially if you have written something untrue based on a minor “contribution” from an Entreprise competitor for the primary purpose of slandering Entreprise’s name for the benefit of the competitor. Libel, slander, interference with prospective advantage, interference with business relations, and intentional infliction are just a few law suits people might want to avoid defending. Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney.

In the interim, developments about the new Entreprise receivers, 1911’s, and calendar are begin discussed over at http://www.warrifles.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=143

Uh, Mike, you need to know that I am an attorney, a customer of Entreprise for many years and I have had a crap receiver from Entreprise delivered, returned and lost by that company. I was delivered a butchered inch receiver, returned it to Lawrence (a person I would trust even today), found out Entreprise lost every record of its return and still buy from the company.

Earn the respect of people, don't threaten nonsense lawsuits and such.

I even inquired last week about buying more receivers from Entreprise. So, I do not have my information second hand and if Entreprise wants to sue me, or the FALfiles, the courts of the United States are open so far as I know.

You have a big mouth, a big load to carry and a history to live down. Do it with production and service not threats.

[Dean P]

Screw mikey: When that SOB returns my $1700.00 I might shut up about how sorry the SOBs are. They will steal & take your money without any remorse. Do they think that warrifles will impress anyone:mad: Shixxt

[gunplumber]

What the collective thick skulls at Enre'prise don't appear capable of comprehending, is that we, as a community, can forgive alot.

I could forgive their crappy receivers and be more than willing to try the "new", "improved" or whatever. Even the best of companies have problems and the FAL receiver really isn't an easy product to manufacture.

We all benefit from quality receivers being available. I'm not a competator - in fact, I'd have MORE business if Entre'prise had a receiver worth building on.

But a product can be fixed with a few lines of code.

Integrity is something that is much harder to "make right" than a piece of hardware.

Another company that makes FAL parts had some products fail. Instead of blaming UPS, the ammo, the builder, the weather, clerical errors, or the owner's bald headed granny, he recalled the whole questionable lot of parts and replaced them at no charge to the buyer. I assume he lost money doing it, but he preserved the integrity of his name, and the trust of the FAL buying public. He comes out with another product and although there are a few who say - "well, he did have some bad ones in the past" the majority of people say "I can buy with confidence because I know that the company stands behind their product and will resolve any issues I might have. . .. "

An example from which entre'prise could learn, if they were less concerned with short term profit and more concerned with building relationships that would result in greater profits over the long term.

[newfalguy101]

Gosh Mark you man the "Golden Crap" rule of customer service?????????

Treat you customers like GOLD and they will be there for years to come

Treat them like CRAP and they will CRAP on you AND go away forever

[jerrymrc]

Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

So let me get this straight. Your first post here talks about lawsuits and going after the membership here on the files.

You sell FAL parts and receivers yet you have just insulted 20,000 members on a gun site that is ranked #5-6 on any given day and is the #1 site for FAl's.

I'm not sure if you are intentionally stupid or suffer from some sort of "Hoof and mouth" disease.

Just remember, The revolution will not be televised.:wink:

[EntrepriseMike]

I make no statements about the past. I wasn't there, so I have no knowledge of it. But, I know about what's being done now and in the future. The quality of work seems to be higher than most of the commentary here would seem to suggest. It seems like there's a lot of bias.

The commentary that Entreprise people don't even speak English shows the extent to which critics are willing to go to create confusion in order to glorify their own purposes. It will be interesting to see who is willing to talk about the new product honestly -- or whether you're just going to go back to 1o year old facts until you've bored everybody to death.

With or without this powerful board, Entreprise will have a future manufacturing weapons.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
I make no statements about the past. I wasn't there, so I have no knowledge of it. . . . The commentary that Entreprise people don't even speak English shows the extent to which critics are willing to go to create confusion in order to glorify their own purposes.

Thats it? "EAI employee don't speak English" is the "libel" your supereducated attorney is working on? You're pathetic. We're still waiting for the explanation of the EAI engraved "US Part" above that I received. As it stands, I think that picture is a clear indication of the character and integrity one can expect from your company. Or do you have an explanation? I've got an open mind here and am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt - did the UPS driver swap out the parts when we weren't looking?

Here you show up all hot and botherd complaining about the bad press your company has earned, and threatening law suits, but then you admit to having no knowledge of the the past . With no knowledge of a subject, how can you make a claim of libel? Am I confusing you?

[ftierson]

Originally posted by gunplumber
Am I confusing you?

I'd take a stab at an answer to this, but the question wasn't directed at me...

But 'yes' comes to mind...

:)

Forrest

[Tomovich]

This thread is getting weird and bizarre.

So let me get this straight. If I tell everyone on the forum about the legit problems that I had building a customers Brit L1A1 kit on an Entreprise receiver last week because it was out of spec a little (not too bad but most definitely WRONG) then I can get sued???????????

:shades:

[mhg]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

The new manufacturing group is also quite talented. The new receivers will be excellent. With manufacturing back in full swing, company focus has been in the noisy back area, where Entreprise's future is being built one piece at a time. Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's, Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals. Entreprise does not want to be responsible for the reprehensible work of a few unqualified gunsmiths. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise. It would be nice to see some of the detractors produce more than slander.

For the various gun smiths trying to make a living by building up stories about 15 year old manufacture, Entreprise sincerely hopes that they get rich off their slanderous remarks and libelous writings. It's no fun to sue mouthy, opinionated, judgment-proof cynics who don't even have the money to cover the damages they inflict on the innocent.

For those who have gone to ridiculous lengths to find something untrue to say about Entreprise, this might be a good time to reconsider. Especially if you have written something untrue based on a minor “contribution” from an Entreprise competitor for the primary purpose of slandering Entreprise’s name for the benefit of the competitor. Libel, slander, interference with prospective advantage, interference with business relations, and intentional infliction are just a few law suits people might want to avoid defending. Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney.

In the interim, developments about the new Entreprise receivers, 1911’s, and calendar are begin discussed over at http://www.warrifles.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=143

This is pathetic, even for the internet.

It's my opinion that your Rec'rs suck, and that you have been violating federal law by marking imported parts as US.

Have a look in the mirror " Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney." Wow Mike your a real stud.

My advice is that you build better products....... And get a pair for F%$CK sake


Just trying to help,

Matt

PS No Beverly Hills carjockeys were harmed in this post

[jerrymrc]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
I make no statements about the past. I wasn't there, so I have no knowledge of it. But, I know about what's being done now and in the future. The quality of work seems to be higher than most of the commentary here would seem to suggest. It seems like there's a lot of bias.

The commentary that Entreprise people don't even speak English shows the extent to which critics are willing to go to create confusion in order to glorify their own purposes. It will be interesting to see who is willing to talk about the new product honestly -- or whether you're just going to go back to 1o year old facts until you've bored everybody to death.

With or without this powerful board, Entreprise will have a future manufacturing weapons.

Look thru my posts and you will see no Bias. I have even owned a Hesse that ran just fine. I am not dealing in 10 year old facts or fallacies.

Some people have had issues with your product, some have not. I (as others) have seen products from every vendor that has been mentioned on the files work right out of the box and some that have not.

You have some members (about 5%) that think the FAL is an erector set. Screw it together and it works. The other 95% have a clue and realize that we are all dealing with parts and pieces that are 20 to 50 years old and some that are 2 months old.

If you are offended by the comment about "non English speaking employees" then do something about it. General Electric changed its customer support back to "onshore" because of complaints and last I checked they were allot larger than you are in the business world.

Just because a few people have brought up the past does not mean YOU should try and apply it to the present or the future. If you want to look to the future then present your product to us and we will pass judgment on it, good, bad, right or wrong.

Now to the smart ass in me. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise.

Make you a deal. I Joe blow Fal files member will come and fix one of your FAL's that has a problem. you will send one of your "dedicated professionals" to fix my CT scanner. guess who will be finished first.

Last I checked the FAL was not rocket science. Just a simple fact of getting the machining right.

[DABTL]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
I make no statements about the past. I wasn't there, so I have no knowledge of it. But, I know about what's being done now and in the future. The quality of work seems to be higher than most of the commentary here would seem to suggest. It seems like there's a lot of bias.

The commentary that Entreprise people don't even speak English shows the extent to which critics are willing to go to create confusion in order to glorify their own purposes. It will be interesting to see who is willing to talk about the new product honestly -- or whether you're just going to go back to 1o year old facts until you've bored everybody to death.

With or without this powerful board, Entreprise will have a future manufacturing weapons.

Look, knucklehead, we are a cantankerous lot here. GunPlumber is a martinet and loudmouth who does a good job refinishing FALS, DeanP has sold more FALs than Entreprise and if your computer hiccups in machining we will know about that and the cure, if there is one, within a week.

I emailed your company just last week about getting two more inch receivers just because I figured you needed to know there is a market for it and I encourage your production. I did this despite receiving a junk receiver from Entreprise three years ago, being invited to return it for replacement, never receiving a replacement and finding out that with Lawrence' departure you have no record of it. That tells you how biased I am against Entreprise.

Lead with some quality product, then run your mouth.

And tell your Beverly Hills lawyer to quit with the stupid letters to the FALfiles threatening lawsuits. Sue Jen in Beverly Hills or Lufkin, Texas, and see how many people will get in their car, truck, an airplane or train to come down to the courthouse to tell their stories about poor machining, out of spec machining and horrendous customer service.

Lead with some quality product, then run your mouth.

Now go back to work and earn your reputation because you do not have Lawrence any longer to straighten out the messes.

PS: Good luck in the endeavor and I hope Entreprise is successful.

[Ricketts]

There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

Can some of that high priced overhead, and use the $$ saved to get Lawrence back plus some GOOD, talented machinists. A post grad Theology degree can't make chips--if you know what those are---

THAT would impress us--not the load of crap coming out of your keyboard and shop as of now.

Sounds like Bill has a good idea--ROADTRIP. Wonder if the courthouse would have enough seats??

[frtyfivsevnty]

"Receiver's may only be available for assembly at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals".Good luck selling only complete rifles.I would bet most of the hobbyist builders here can assemble a Fal just as well and probably better then your guys.As far as "However,since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble Fals".It's hard to assemble a Fal with an out of spec receiver,'nuff said!Make a consistently in spec receiver and they will sell.I had a shit receiver but would buy from Entreprise again if the quality was there.

[the gman]

Finally Bill posts stuff I can 100% agree with...:devil:

Let me say right from the start: I have been one of Entre'prise' biggest cheerleaders over the last 18 months as I have had nothing but good product & good service with the 15 or 16 receivers I have bought from them.

Let me also say that I'm a former Brit Army weapons tech who was trained to work on L1A1 rifles in a Govt. facility, licensed by FN. So, unless you can show me some certification from either FN or another FN licensee that attests that your uber gunschimts were trained in a smiliar school, I think that myself & other well respected, long term FAL smiths might just be equal to the task of assembling FAL rifles.;) (Not that I place myself alongside other 'smiths, I can't re-finish anything worth a damn, just giving a heads up that there are a few folks out there who are actually qualified to assemble FAL's.)

I'm now involved with a weapons manufacturer as a Director of the company (Leitner-Wise Rifle Co. Inc.), & I know damn well what it's like to take often unjustified criticism of a product you believe is at least the equal of any other. I also know what it is like to try to overcome the issues of the past.

Let me give you some advice on this issue: address the points that have been brought up (those that have some merit) one by one & put yer lawyer back in the box UNLESS someone is infringing on patents or is deliberately & actively engaging in conduct intended to harm your company. People posting their opinions/experiences with recent product or even how they were treated in the past, does not fall into that category IMHO.

Make a better product, send it out for either private or public evaluation by experienced & reputable industry players & see what the results are. I don't always see eye to eye with Gunplumber (actually, that's a major understatement) BUT he has the respect of many here & can carry out an objective review of product. Ditto with several other 'smiths.

You will not win friends by coming here & insulting our intelligence with threats of lawsuits or by infering that a bunch of us are incompetent to build rifles on your receivers. Back to Marketing & Public Relations school for you.

In short: build better stuff, price it right & act with a little more humility & you'll get a lot further, both on this board & in the industry.

BTW, tying your PR & Marketing efforts to the WR board ain't helping either as the owner of that board is a very unsavory character who also threatened to sue the owner of this board, things that make you go 'hmmm'.......:? :?

[ER]

I`ve bulit several metric EAI`s and have had 0 problems. If they ever start to produce them again, and I ever decide to build another, I`d buy one

HOWEVER
READ THIS MIKE BEFORE YOU THREATEN LAWSUITS......

I have 1 inch EAI on an Aussie build. It runs great, so far only about 100rds, BUT.......during machining(per lawrence), somebody crashed a tool. The area on the front left side where the radius for the top cover begins has been welded prior to parkerizing to salvage the receiver. This weld extends from the outside, to the LS feed rail, and on into the barrel thread area. The mags fit TIGHT(I have tried 20 so far and all are TIGHT), and it`s done well enogh it`s kinda hard to tell it without looking for it.

I contacted Lawrence about this when it arrived, and prior to the build. He stated the receivers have a "Lifetime Warranty" and I could send it back for replacement anytime. They knew it was a repaired receiver, he admitted as such. I paid full price, but there were NO inch receivers available from anyone at the time. Lawrence said it was safe to shoot, but to keep an eye on the headspace.(sounds like that williams dude don`t it ;) ) He stated there would be no more made, and all were sold.

I am a degreed mechanical engineer. I understand fully the consequences of a bad weld, and know how it should be welded to properly fix it. Yes, if done properly, their repair will hold up. I have worked in high pressure equipment for over 17 years now. I have seen bad welds fail with catastrophic results, and have been involved with lawsuits for failed parts(welded and billet alike).

Anyway, after I thought about it a while, I decided to send it back. Lawrence had left(I guess since nobody would get him on the phone and he was always "out of the office"), and nobody else would speak to me about my problem. I am NOT going to send a receiver back based on word of mouth, and nobody offered to take responsibility for return of this receiver. I would still like for it to be replaced with a NEW one that hasn`t been screwed up.

So mikey, before you start to threaten lawsuits for internet heresay, maybe you outta replace my receiver before SOMEBODY GETS HURT WITH IT AND SUES YOU FOR DAMAGES.

This ain`t internet heresay bullshit. This is the truth.

Your call big guy.......

[EntrepriseMike]

Jerrymrc says, “Just because a few people have brought up the past does not mean YOU should try and apply it to the present or the future. If you want to look to the future then present your product to us and we will pass judgment on it, good, bad, right or wrong.” This is my point, as well. The difference is that my opinions comes with a significant price. Preparing to manufacture thousands of Receivers is an expensive business. Entreprise is on the road to presenting new product, and you have every right to pass judgment on the quality of the product in the present and in the future. I personally believe that products, attitudes and emotions from 5+ years ago are in the past, and should remain in the past.

Beyond any issues of machining accuracy in the past, I would think you’ve got even more right to have even higher expectations in the future. Machining standards, based on computer-assisted programs, are better now than they were in 1993, . . . or even 2000. For example, I think we could all agree that 5+ year old data base products all require substantial upgrading. I can’t imagine a responsible business still chained to 5 year old computer software. If Entreprise based their CAD work on Pentium II’s, 800 MHz chips, and Windows 98 as an OS, then it might be appropriate to discuss the issues with 5 year old product, or the deficiencies in 10 or 13 year old software.

I like my FAL, and you probably like yours. Because I want higher quality and lower prices, I think that defines me as a good consumer. I encourage more people to spend more money to make the kinds of products I like. The more competition there is from the product side, the happier I am from the consumer side. Perhaps some FAL enthusiasts are different.

Based on 10 year old facts, there actually seem to be “FAL enthusiasts” who want to discourage people from investing in new Receiver products. Are the one or two subsisting Receiver manufacturers too much for you? Would you actually prefer to have even fewer suppliers? Do they give you enough money or free/cheap product that you’d prefer to see fewer suppliers?

Would you rather judge 2006 tooling on 10 year old computer programs? Do you think that there might be a correlation between an unappreciative attitude towards manufacturers and the fact that the number of manufacturers willing to serve FAL consumers is shrinking? In a quickly shrinking and highly limited market, a more cooperative attitude might keep the FAL rifle alive a little longer. That is, after all, the point of belonging to a user group, isn’t it?

[gunplumber]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Entreprise is on the road to presenting new product, and you have every right to pass judgment on the quality of the product in the present and in the future. I personally believe that products, attitudes and emotions from 5+ years ago are in the past, and should remain in the past.

But you still want to sue anyone who passes such judgement?

Beyond any issues of machining accuracy in the past, I would think you’ve got even more right to have even higher expectations in the future.

nobody has commented on the quality of the new receivers and I doubt that anybody WANTS Entre'prise to continue with the same "issues of machining accuracy" we experineced int he past.

But there are two issues here - machining accuracy and company integrity. You claim to be addressing the former, but what about the latter? Isn't the trustworthiness and honesty of a company as important in selecting a product as the product quality?

Still waiting for the official rationalization on the "US floorplate" above. That kind of integrity can't be fioxed by changing to new software and tooling.

[Dean P]

EntrepriseMike Before you threaten anyone about bringing up an old debt & bad products. Have you gone through backruptcy? Name change? New owners? If not, you are still responsible for all of the bad deeds in the past.

[mhg]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Jerrymrc says, “Just because a few people have brought up the past does not mean YOU should try and apply it to the present or the future. If you want to look to the future then present your product to us and we will pass judgment on it, good, bad, right or wrong.” This is my point, as well. The difference is that my opinions comes with a significant price. Preparing to manufacture thousands of Receivers is an expensive business. Entreprise is on the road to presenting new product, and you have every right to pass judgment on the quality of the product in the present and in the future. I personally believe that products, attitudes and emotions from 5+ years ago are in the past, and should remain in the past.

Beyond any issues of machining accuracy in the past, I would think you’ve got even more right to have even higher expectations in the future. Machining standards, based on computer-assisted programs, are better now than they were in 1993, . . . or even 2000. For example, I think we could all agree that 5+ year old data base products all require substantial upgrading. I can’t imagine a responsible business still chained to 5 year old computer software. If Entreprise based their CAD work on Pentium II’s, 800 MHz chips, and Windows 98 as an OS, then it might be appropriate to discuss the issues with 5 year old product, or the deficiencies in 10 or 13 year old software.

I like my FAL, and you probably like yours. Because I want higher quality and lower prices, I think that defines me as a good consumer. I encourage more people to spend more money to make the kinds of products I like. The more competition there is from the product side, the happier I am from the consumer side. Perhaps some FAL enthusiasts are different.

Based on 10 year old facts, there actually seem to be “FAL enthusiasts” who want to discourage people from investing in new Receiver products. Are the one or two subsisting Receiver manufacturers too much for you? Would you actually prefer to have even fewer suppliers? Do they give you enough money or free/cheap product that you’d prefer to see fewer suppliers?

Would you rather judge 2006 tooling on 10 year old computer programs? Do you think that there might be a correlation between an unappreciative attitude towards manufacturers and the fact that the number of manufacturers willing to serve FAL consumers is shrinking? In a quickly shrinking and highly limited market, a more cooperative attitude might keep the FAL rifle alive a little longer. That is, after all, the point of belonging to a user group, isn’t it?


Dayum Mike, your one long wind'd dude.

Is this the end of the trilogy, or are there more novels to come?


Matt (Soon to be sued FAL hack)

[chickendumpling]

Isn't it better to attract bees with honey?

It makes sense to me that those who provide FAL services, products, etc for customer purchase would approach public forums in a customer oriented manner (regardless of the topic).

No, this does not mean you have to kiss my #$% either :wink:

[Ricketts]

Hey-- I just thought of a question--

Why the hell do you guys need Post grad Theology Degreed people working there?

Do people working there need schooling in religion or praying so you can pull this off and make good product??

Praying or finding religion won't cut it--

Hey--you brought it up--not me.

[ER]

So Mikey.....you`re gonna replace my inch receiver without "losing" it since you are still liable for it :?

Better that than having a new owner at Entreprise straight off the FALfiles :rofl:

[B Wood]

The theology background comes in handy during the "God we hope this receiver works" thought process

;)

PS.....if you want to sue me, please let me know and I can send my addy to you. LMFAO

someone should send this thread to the owner of enterprise and see how they like the customer service aspect of it.

[Palerider]

Profile for user: EntrepriseMike
FALaholic ID: 20512
Registered: July 15, 2006
Status: New Member
Posts: 3
Birthday: N/A
Interests: media and law suits
Occupation: media and law suits

[mhg]

Bill can we do a class action suit for pain and suffering?

Matt

[ftierson]

Originally posted by Palerider
Profile for user: EntrepriseMike
FALaholic ID: 20512
Registered: July 15, 2006
Status: New Member
Posts: 3
Birthday: N/A
Interests: media and law suits
Occupation: media and law suits

You forgot, under either interests or occupation, to add "insulting past and prospective customers," whether we're inable to properly assemble (split infinitive, dear literate Mikey) FALs or not...

Forrest

[kec0723]

Originally posted by jerrymrc


I'm not sure if you are intentionally stupid or suffer from some sort of "Hoof and mouth" disease.



it's dick in mouth disease....their from Kaliforicate.....:eek:

[B Wood]

Originally posted by kec0723


it's dick in mouth disease....their from Kaliforicate.....:eek:

Uh oh...............you did it now....................now they are going to SUE you too!

I am always amazed when a company self destructs in one of their primary target market avenues. Simply amazing! ;)

[kec0723]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.


well there ya go Laddies.....it no wonder the products are crap.......they's got nothing but book learned idiots, and nobody that knows how to run a machine....only their mouths.........:biggrin:

[kec0723]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.


and nows ya knows where all yer "returns" monies went for...........nows when they tells ya ta go to hell.....they can even give ya directions....nows that customer service....:rofl:

[B Wood]

a certain phrase comes to mind in this entire thread

"Don't shit where you eat"

Comprende Enterprise???

[DABTL]

Originally posted by mhg
Bill can we do a class action suit for pain and suffering?

Matt

As a guess, Mikey is a lawyer.

As a second guess his profile was meant to intimidate.

A fact is the nice Beverly Hills lawyer has already threatened legal action in a really nice fancy wordy letter against Jen personally and the FALfiles in general.

Now, he wants everyone to stand and salute, forgetting the past, to honor Entreprise on receivers no one has seen to this moment. Frankly, I have been down that road with George Gouger and Williams Armaments before.

If the new receivers are good, then we will all hear of it in short order. I hope they are.

If they are not, they sure need to find Lawrence again because Mikey ain't him.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by DABTL
A fact is the nice Beverly Hills lawyer has already threatened legal action in a really nice fancy wordy letter against Jen personally and the FALfiles in general.

Although it's really Jen's business and not mine, per se, I'd really like to see a copy of shit-for-brains's letter...

I think that others here might be interested in the kind of company that they're dealing with by purchasing from Entreprise, too...

I've never used any Entreprise receivers before and, with all this, the chances are pretty good that things will stay that way, if you catch my drift...

Forrest

[gunplumber]

I still have the nice letter Entre'prise sent me way back when they didn't like my review of their receiver. Their attorney was either really stupid, or hoped that I was. Don't know why you all fawn over lawrence. He was the one who guaranteed the 2 receivers he sent were free, with no strings attached. Then EAI sent me a bill for them when the review wasn't gunwriter-whore ass kissing enough.

My Sister is an attorney in California - Sacramento - not too far from Entreprise. I think a lawsuit would be kindof fun - could combine it with a nice family vacation..

HEY MIKEY - TELL US ABOUT THE "US" FLOORPLATE!?????? Should I send it to BATFE Technology Branch for an evaluation of its origin?

You have babbled on about everything else, but are strangely silent on this topic . .. . .. .

[English Mike]

Threatening to sue Jen &/or the 'files is a great way to encourage the umpteen thousand members here to purchase product from Entreprise isn't it:rolleyes:

Listen Mikey: I run a business selling to the public & like all businesses of this type, I have some dissatisfied customers due to real or imagined issues.
A couple of them (& a business rival) have gone around badmouthing me to others but I don't threaten them with lawsuits: my reputation with 99.9% of my customer base speaks for itself, as do the growing numbers though my door.

Get the new product out & have it inspected by a reputable FALsmith, make good any outstanding issues past customers & USE this place as a showroom for your product, rather than fret over negative posts.

There's thousands of FAL kits out there right now & a real shortage of GOOD receivers.
Make sure the Entreprise ones are GOOD & available SOON & your reputation will rise a damn sight faster than lawsuits will make it fall.


PS Nailing your flag to Warrifles mast might not be the best thing either...... ;)

[Goderator]

Mike,

The FAL Files has and always will continue to, in an unbiased fashion, support the rights of our members to voice their legitimate concerns, complaints and praises for any company, it's products or services, regardless of their status as an advertiser or competitor to one of our advertisers.

Per the notice posted at the bottom of every page:

The Opinions, Views and Comments expressed by the members of this forum are their own and do not necessarily state or reflect those of The FAL Files or any of it's agents. the FAL Files does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of these messages and opinions, and does not perform an independent investigation to verify their truth or accuracy. All posted messages are the sole responsibility of the person from which such post originated. The FAL Files assumes no liability in any way for the content of any posted message or opinion, including, but not limited to, any errors or omissions in any posted message.

Should you feel that a comment is inappropriate - not based on fact or experience with Entreprise - your are welcome to contact me with the url to the thread in question along with the post number and I will review the content, however it is not a standard policy nor practice of the FAL Files, Myself or any of the Moderators or Administrators to edit nor remove content unless it is deemed inappropriate.

[fastprofessor]

Mike Meyers the attorney!

" I will sue you for 1 Miiiiillllliiiioooon dollars!"

[mhg]

Maybe we should go easy on "Mike"

It appears he's had a tough life

"The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament". ....Mike Meyer - Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery

Matt

[vmtz]

Originally posted by Goderator
Mike,

The FAL Files has and always will continue to, in an unbiased fashion, support the rights of our members to voice their legitimate concerns, complaints and praises for any company, it's products or services, regardless of their status as an advertiser or competitor to one of our advertisers.

Per the notice posted at the bottom of every page:

The Opinions, Views and Comments expressed by the members of this forum are their own and do not necessarily state or reflect those of The FAL Files or any of it's agents. the FAL Files does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of these messages and opinions, and does not perform an independent investigation to verify their truth or accuracy. All posted messages are the sole responsibility of the person from which such post originated. The FAL Files assumes no liability in any way for the content of any posted message or opinion, including, but not limited to, any errors or omissions in any posted message.

Should you feel that a comment is inappropriate - not based on fact or experience with Entreprise - your are welcome to contact me with the url to the thread in question along with the post number and I will review the content, however it is not a standard policy nor practice of the FAL Files, Myself or any of the Moderators or Administrators to edit nor remove content unless it is deemed inappropriate.

Well, Entreprise just lost my business and anyone who cares to do a search can see I was a vocal supporter of them.

Vince

[adam762]

Untill now I have merely watched this thread with interest.... but I can no longer contain myself.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:







(whew, I feel better now...)


Mikey, you have no idea how big the pile of dog shit you just stepped in is. You may want to quietly go scrape it off you shoe before your masters there at Entreprise realize that you have angered so many people here, many of whom have legitimate and SERIOUS legal beef with 'your' company.

Now, if I may steal a line from CE,

SHUT THE **** UP.

[Palerider]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/187818/DeclarationOfWar_ShortForm.jpg

[vmtz]

I smell something fishy. Note the address and phone number are not the same. Photo taken from Ca's bar site.

[vmtz]

Hmmm, more fishy smell.

[gunplumber]

Ok - that was funny. NOt as Funny as Brian Webb's letter to Jen, myself and other vendors (the spelling is better), but definitely funny.

Deconstruction is soooo much fun.

----------------

From the Law Offices of Dewey, Screwum and Howe.

P1. If you are doing anything unlawful, stop

P2. I'm an attorney - FEAR ME! You own a bulletin board and I am pretending you are responsible for the opinions expressed there.

P3. Complaints about Entreprise are so common you have made a sticky - that's just mean!

P4. I havn't found any statement on your board that is not true or legitimate consumer opinion, so I am keeping my complaints vague and non-specific to intimidate you with big lawyer words.

5. Did I mention I'm an attorney? FEAR ME!


Love and Kisses, Mikey.

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Much better written than Brian Webb's nastygram

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/webpictures/warrifleslegal02.jpg

[Bug Tussell]

Screw 'em. With that kind of attitude, I'll do without before I buy one of their receivers.

[mhg]

Originally posted by vmtz
Hmmm, more fishy smell.

Shit Vince, Mikes a busey guy. Prolly hasn't had time to update stuff.

Man, it must be tough being a lawyer AND an actor.

Matt

[ftierson]

Hey, Mike...

I'd tell you what to do with your company after reading your threat letter, but I'm afraid that the space that I'm thinking of is already filled with your head...

Capiche?

Or do I have to spell it out a little more clearly...?

Forrest

[fry]

panoply
1.The complete arms and armor of a warrior.
2.A magnificent, shining array that covers or protects.

could you use that in a sentence one more time for me?

[Sig220]

Hmmm, I knew someone that has a similar name........Mikey.....ya ever go by "Larry"? If so, tell us what "BODAB" means!:biggrin:

[frtyfivsevnty]

I hope Entreprise comes out with a great receiver and no one buys it!We need the Coonan's to come out now more than ever.

[gunplumber]

ENTREPRISE ARMS, INC.
Number: C1727128 Date Filed: 6/23/1993 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
5331 IRWINDALE AVENUE
IRWINDALE, CA 91706
Agent for Service of Process
MICHAEL MEYER
5321 IRWINDALE AVENUE
IRWINDALE, CA 91706

So Mikey - I am trying to tie guns, religion and theology together with porn. Can you help me here?

Irinwdalestudios.com is registered to mike@humblevessel.com , a religious media company,

We produce & distribute Christian media in theatrical, event, DVD / Cassette, television and Internet versions. Christian media & ancillary products: Azusa Street, Bonnie Brae, Topeka & Welsh Revival DVD'; dramatized sermon re-enactments; dramatized Old Testament Bible features & classes; healing and other cutting-edge missions; other Spirit-filled titles.

Humblevessel.com (Humble Vessel Media) is a non-profit registered to mike@pervasys.com.

Corporation
HUMBLE VESSEL, INC.
Number: C2629422 Date Filed: 12/8/2004 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
430 S. ST.ANDREWS PLACE, STE 7
LOS ANGELES, CA 90020
Agent for Service of Process
TAMMY ISKYAN
430 S. ST. ANDREWS PLACE, SUITE 7
LOS ANGELES, CA 90020

The Pervasys.com domain is down (appears to have been a production company which was renamed to FAME and Mike Meyers is/was the president/Chairman of Pervasys/FAME), but it's registered, again, to Mike Meyer - mikem@livecam.com.

*** Livecam.com is currently a porn site portal. ***

From your yahoo profile: http://profiles.yahoo.com/pvysguy
Your occupation is listed as: writer/director of inde films, Int-broadcaster

Here's the Michael Meyer listing on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0583275/

All information was obtained from Godaddy.com's whois database, google search of the term Pervasys and of course, the yahoo id pvysguy.

So somewhere there is a tie betwen religion/theology and porn. I'm trying to figure what it is. Would your clients at your religious broadcasting want a copy of these search results?


IRWINDALESTUDIOS.COM
Registrant/admin contact and tech contact
michael meyer
5331 Irwindale Ave
Irwindale, California 91706
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. ( http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: IRWINDALESTUDIOS.COM
Created on: 13-Sep-05
Expires on: 13-Sep-07
Last Updated on: 13-Sep-05

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HUMBLEVESSEL.COM
Registrant, admin contact and tech contact
Michael Meyer
430 S. St. Andrews Pl.
Ste 107
Los Angeles, California 90020
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com )
Domain Name: HUMBLEVESSEL.COM
Created on: 31-May-04
Expires on: 31-May-08
Last Updated on: 20-Apr-06

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PERVASYS.COM
Registrant, admin acontact and tech contact
Michael Meyer
Ste 1060, 2029 Century Park East
Los Angeles, CA 90067
P.O. Box 741721
Los Angeles, CA 90004
Email: mikem@livecam.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com
Domain Name: pervasys.com
Created on..............: Thu, Aug 10, 2000
Expires on..............: Thu, Aug 10, 2006
Record last updated on..: Sat, Feb 25, 2006
Email: pvysguy@yahoo.com

[mhg]

Originally posted by mhg


Shit Vince, Mikes a busey guy. Prolly hasn't had time to update stuff.

Man, it must be tough being a lawyer AND an actor.

Matt

and now a porn star?


Mike..... I never knew, say it isn't so


Do you star in you own films?



Matt

[Mosin Guy]

Man this just seems to keep getting better and better..........................LOL............

[mhg]

wonder if we will hear from Mike again?


Matt

[Tomovich]

I've stepped into an episode of the Twighlight Zone!!!!!!!!

I imagine that neither I nor ANYONE who listens to me (a gunsmith) will ever buy an Entreprise receiver again. :shades:

Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[vmtz]

christians and porn. Ha! Now I have heard it all. BTW, GP, I'll sue you if you ever correct my grammer. Letter is in the mail. :devil:

Vince

[ftierson]

Originally posted by mhg
Do you star in you own films?

Probably, and after his comments in this thread, I'm guessing that the film title is "Watch me fu@k myself."

Forrest

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
I make no statements about the past. I wasn't there, so I have no knowledge of it. But, I know about what's being done now and in the future. The quality of work seems to be higher than most of the commentary here would seem to suggest. It seems like there's a lot of bias.

The commentary that Entreprise people don't even speak English shows the extent to which critics are willing to go to create confusion in order to glorify their own purposes. It will be interesting to see who is willing to talk about the new product honestly -- or whether you're just going to go back to 1o year old facts until you've bored everybody to death.

With or without this powerful board, Entreprise will have a future manufacturing weapons.

Captured...

Forrest

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Jerrymrc says, “Just because a few people have brought up the past does not mean YOU should try and apply it to the present or the future. If you want to look to the future then present your product to us and we will pass judgment on it, good, bad, right or wrong.” This is my point, as well. The difference is that my opinions comes with a significant price. Preparing to manufacture thousands of Receivers is an expensive business. Entreprise is on the road to presenting new product, and you have every right to pass judgment on the quality of the product in the present and in the future. I personally believe that products, attitudes and emotions from 5+ years ago are in the past, and should remain in the past.

Beyond any issues of machining accuracy in the past, I would think you’ve got even more right to have even higher expectations in the future. Machining standards, based on computer-assisted programs, are better now than they were in 1993, . . . or even 2000. For example, I think we could all agree that 5+ year old data base products all require substantial upgrading. I can’t imagine a responsible business still chained to 5 year old computer software. If Entreprise based their CAD work on Pentium II’s, 800 MHz chips, and Windows 98 as an OS, then it might be appropriate to discuss the issues with 5 year old product, or the deficiencies in 10 or 13 year old software.

I like my FAL, and you probably like yours. Because I want higher quality and lower prices, I think that defines me as a good consumer. I encourage more people to spend more money to make the kinds of products I like. The more competition there is from the product side, the happier I am from the consumer side. Perhaps some FAL enthusiasts are different.

Based on 10 year old facts, there actually seem to be “FAL enthusiasts” who want to discourage people from investing in new Receiver products. Are the one or two subsisting Receiver manufacturers too much for you? Would you actually prefer to have even fewer suppliers? Do they give you enough money or free/cheap product that you’d prefer to see fewer suppliers?

Would you rather judge 2006 tooling on 10 year old computer programs? Do you think that there might be a correlation between an unappreciative attitude towards manufacturers and the fact that the number of manufacturers willing to serve FAL consumers is shrinking? In a quickly shrinking and highly limited market, a more cooperative attitude might keep the FAL rifle alive a little longer. That is, after all, the point of belonging to a user group, isn’t it?

Captured again...

I'd just hate to lose these pearls of wisdom to some judicious deleting on Mikey's part...

If you know what I mean...

Then again, given what he's said here, he may be incapable of seeing that he's shot himself in the foot and Entreprise in the heart...

That's my opinion anyway, and we all know what opinions are like...

Forrest

[B Wood]

"With or without this powerful board, Entreprise will have a future manufacturing weapons. "

I guess Enterprise chose the "Without this powerful board" option

Just proves that a fool is indeed born every minute

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............let's put this in perspective

one of the largest, most popular, highest mebership sites for FAL's in the world.....definately the highest in the USA.....and we are being threatened by a company wanting to sell to the very people that visit here and make the board what it is.......

yeah.............brilliant~!

PS.....GunPlumber - FN74's wife works at the US Customs lab that helps determine country of origin of product by chem / physical analysis. Sure she could take a look at the "USA" made floor plates.

[English Mike]

Ookay, so does Mikeydude actually represent the views of Entreprise, or are his missives a freelance effort backed by the evil Monty Python Character, a well known adversary of this fine community?

His stuff is so off the wall that I find it hard to believe anyone without a brian;) could have concocted it.

I smell something piscatorial..

[ftierson]

Originally posted by ENGLISH MIKE
Ookay, so does Mikeydude actually represent the views of Entreprise, or are his missives a freelance effort backed by the evil Monty Python Character, a well known adversary of this fine community?

His stuff is so off the wall that I find it hard to believe anyone without a brian;)could have concocted it.

I smell something piscatorial..

:)

But, then again, we do have the threat of lawsuit letter...

Forrest

[Pistolwiz]

Over the last few years I have had many customers lament over their Entreprise receivers being out of spec. From bent and rewelded receivers. To being off center, not squared properly in the chamber area, etc........ What made it worse for all of them was Entreprises lack of customer care. I also have a couple of long time friends that have been players in this market for a very long time tell me of getting a royal screwing from Entreprise. Entreprise has steadily developed a reputation in this market that none could envy. Yet this meathead lawyer blames eveybody else. Rather than make things right and move on. Straight from the Brian Webb internet school of how to screw yourself royally.

Not all Entreprise receivers are bad. But enough to gain them a bad rep among both the customer base and players in the industry alike with bad customer care. This thread is a symptom of what's going on.

The FAL market is a shrinking one. Only the best and brightest will survive past a certain point. After this debacle here in this thread I don't see Entreprise lasting very long without some real damge control and real customer care. I don't want to see any player in this market go under. It's not good for biz. But when a company hires a jackass lawyer like this Meyers character that insults and threatens it's customer base, things are going the wrong way for said company. A large part of what customer base you had left is leaving now. And most won't return.

Howard, You better start looking out for your customers. Rather than hiring lawyers to attack them with threatening letters that really show that there is no case. You better be working on better products and especially better customer care. This market can be forgiving if you don't go to far. This last event may have gone too far. When I see people here that at most times are at each others throats............Now in complete agreement.........You got serious problems to deal with.

[fry]

Originally posted by ENGLISH MIKE
Ookay, so does Mikeydude actually represent the views of Entreprise, or are his missives a freelance effort backed by the evil Monty Python Character, a well known adversary of this fine community?

His stuff is so off the wall that I find it hard to believe anyone without a brian;) could have concocted it.

I smell something piscatorial..

good point.

it is incomprehensible why the marketing department at Enterprise Arms would enact such a plan as to alienate its target.

mike's two hundred dollar letter has done nothing but damage future sales for Enterprise Arms.

that money would have been better spent in advertizing on this same gun board.

Enterprise Arms is acting as its own worst enemy, having brought this on themselves. damage control.

mike, the time to pop smoke is now.

[English Mike]

Originally posted by ftierson


:)

But, then again, we do have the threat of lawsuit letter...

Forrest

OK; he can send it here, as the views expressed in my post are mine & mine alone:

Mike Sterland
13 West Croft Terrace
Lowca
Whitehaven
Cumbria
CA28 6PX
UK

The best part of this whole shitfest is that the majority of posts in this thread - prior to Mikeydude's intervention - were pretty positive about EAI's receivers.

This fish is getting rather ripe.........

[chickendumpling]

I can't believe this actually comes from EA. Let alone go public with a large consumer base. Is this really official?

So if EA does not sell receivers based on the lawyer's actions, what does that mean for the lawyer...fire him?:confused:

Has EA ever participated on this forum before this?

[frtyfivsevnty]

"The best part of this whole shitfest is that the majority of posts in this thread - prior to Mikeydude's intervention - were pretty positive about EAI's receivers."
Talk about hitting the nail on the head!:bow:

[ftierson]

Originally posted by ENGLISH MIKE
OK; he can send it here, as the views expressed in my post are mine & mine alone:

Actually, Mike (English Mike), I think that you've misinterpreted my meaning with the letter of lawsuit comment...

I only meant that the letter tends to substantiate Mikey's posts here in this thread...

Whether we can believe it or not (and, you're right, this whole Mikey twist is pretty hard to believe), there are certainly people out there who are stupid enough to do this kind of thing. Brain (for one) comes to mind, if you catch my drift...

And the mention of the WR connection here certainly, at the very least, demonstrates that Mikey did not do his homework before sending letters and posting here...

Hey, EAI, I've got an idea...

Sue Mikey for damages...

All those PhDs and whatall that you've got trying to run milling machines and all should be able to come up with some strategy.

Just an opinion...

:)

Forrest

[DABTL]

OK, I have been asked about Mikey prior to this thread.

Jen sent me a copy of his letter threatening litigation. It was wordy, real lawyerly, threatening and such.

My take on the deal: Mikey probably is an investor. They can, if they desire, correct every problem Entreprise has ever had, but one. That one is they do not have Lawrence anymore. The guy could take care of problems. Give him credit for that.

Now, Mikey wants to win by intimidation. He picked the wrong group for that!

And, gunpartsguy is not entirely stupid. The FAL market dwindles on kits. Perhaps Entreprise is going to make the entire thing? Not impossible and a good market exists for DSA after all. So, even thought Mikey appears the fool, let us not kick him, yet. Let us see what big mouth Mikey delivers.

I might fight you over the first one.:wink: He may be as good as his bluster. Let us see. You may want one, also.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by vmtz
BTW, GP, I'll sue you if you ever correct my grammer.

Grammar, not grammer. And I promise not to sue you until we've finsihed suing Mikey for incredibly poor taste and judgement - thats got to be an offense somewhere.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by B Wood
PS.....GunPlumber - FN74's wife works at the US Customs lab that helps determine country of origin of product by chem / physical analysis. Sure she could take a look at the "USA" made floor plates.

Yeah, I'l l take note of that - got another buddy working at a firearms forensics lab and a customer in CA who does the same thing.

But it doens't take a rocket scientist to note the rust on the floorplate is absent from the engraving, which strongly suggests it was rusted and beaten up prior to engraving.

A company that would lie and cheat and defraud a custoemr on a $2 retail part is not one with whom I'd do business ever. I'm not saying that cheating a customer on a more expensive part is justified, I'm just amazed at how cheaply some will sell their integity. I am still waiting for Entre'prise to explain this floorplate.

[Pistolwiz]

DABTL sez:
"And, gunpartsguy is not entirely stupid."

:rofl: :rofl:

Gee Willy.....I was thinking the exact same thing about you! :biggrin:

Now drop the BS and sic 'em boy! :wink:

[B Wood]

How many remember when Enterprise was trying to intimidate customers with the "buildable parts kits" verbage they were tossing around?

I was ready to order a number of items this week for my next build from Enterprise....UNTIL I read this thread. I will find other sources Mikey.

The Enterprise bookmark has been deleted as well.

Good riddance Enterprise.

[hydrotx]

Sadly, one of my first receivers was a custom serial numbered one from Entreprise procured quite a few years ago. Fought with the damn thing for quite a while, even after it made a trip back to the factory. Still cant get most dust mount scope covers to fit on it. Was looking to potentially pick up one or two more receivers from them to give them another chance . Screw that, since they wont likely sell the receivers to us hack builders. Hell, only built 10 to 15 or so successfully. Hope the next ones are made of lincoln logs to help us simple minded folk out.

Yes mike, I have seen your product, in fact, as stated above I still own one. Lawrence was a gentleman to deal with and understood customer service, too bad he isnt around to mentor certain new employees.

[RT]

Originally posted by gunplumber













http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/webpictures/warrifleslegal02.jpg O' Shit if mark is that hard on a letter from a lawyer, i bet i am on his ignore list as i can't spell for shit. and mikey i am banned from WR. and tell enterprise that i will buy mine from the TDW:rofl: ~R

[gunplumber]

My typing ain't so good neither - but I differentiate between formal written communication and informal banter.

Only one guy on my ignore list - and thats just because he always posts the same old sappy stuff and it bores me to tears.

Its fun to mock DABTCL because he doesn't know what the words he uses mean - probably on his word of the day calendar - but I generally don't mock his spellin'

Thnis week's Bill words are martinet (which he confused with marionet), bombast, and pschobabble.

I did like Mikey's new word, I had to look that one up.

[fry]

01-04-2006, 02:14 PM #1
EntrepriseMike
Anchor Vendor
Big Dogs of War
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Join Date: January 4, 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 14 Just wanted to introduce myself

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My name is Mike, and I’m working with Entreprise Arms in business affairs. I believe this company has a very bright future, and I’m proud to be a member of the wonderful team here. The new people coming in to bring Entreprise to the next level are very exciting people, and I hope to be able to talk about them more in the next few months.

The company has plans to go back into manufacturing Type 1 and Type 3 Receivers for several thousand Imbel parts kits we plan to be receiving soon. We will be taking pre-orders for these Type 1 and Type 3 Receivers. These will be sold at very competitive prices.

The company has recently re-certified three of its classic 1911 semi-automatic wide body pistols, and these will be back in production very soon, as well. I’m sure that many of the users here are already familiar with Entreprise’s line of Ghost Ring Sights, which have been very popular with law enforcement, competitive shooters and military personnel.

I’m excited about a new area, which gives me a chance to use my personal background in the film and entertainment industries. With the remarkable collection of Entreprise War Rifles, we will be functioning as a weapons master for the movies. This should give us a chance to expand our purchases and sales in the area of relics and other unique firearms.

01-13-2006, 11:14 AM #8
EntrepriseMike
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Join Date: January 4, 2006
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It's nice to see the enthusiasm of the gun world population. This is all new to me, but I've done a lot with Hollywood action.

I was a personal manager with a big tv-oriented company in the early 80's, and our clients included Bruce Boxleitner and William Shatner. Then, I was a partner in a law firm, which handled Jean-Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal in the late 80's.

I actually made two low budget action films: Bloodsport II and Death Match.

Working around the Entreprise group, I've had a chance to see more of the realities of the fantasies we painted for Hollywood, and that's been an exceptional experience. It's been interesting to watch the Entreprise growth since they brought me and the others on board.

I think that everybody will be pleased with the way that Entreprise is growing and evolving every day. I don't know about everybody's "old experiences" with Entreprise, but I've been watching this group put together a first rate team, and I'm very excited about all of the new production plans.

EntrepriseMike
Anchor Vendor
Big Dogs of War
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Join Date: January 4, 2006
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First, the explanation about the appellate procedure is essentially correct, but let me add a few details. I should start by mentioning that I am not a litigator, and I've never done appellate work. But, as a transactional lawyer, I do know when to and not to use litigators.

When there is a matter of serious litigation, the basic costs are going to be $50,000 - $100,000 just at the trial court level. The only participant who can take a case to the next level would be the losing party at the trial court level.

For an appeal, it is assumed that every significant fact was decided against the LOSING party, but that the losing party should win simply because the trial court relied on a law which is a violation of the Constitution. That's a big burden, and it must be assumed that this step will involve another $100,000+

In the state court system, there's the trial court, the state appellate court, the state supreme court and then the federal supreme court. In the federal court system, there's the federal district court, the court of appeals and then the federal supereme court. By the time most people have spent a few hundred thousand dollars, they're usually more concerned about cutting back on legal fees than they are about making a Constitutional point.

So, by the time a party thinks it's worth several hundred thousands of dollars, and they've already lost 3-4 levels of trial, they've got that big option of seeing if the Supreme Court will grant certiorari and agree to listen to the case. Part of that decision is whether there is a significant Constitutional issue exists, and whether there is substantial public interest in conforming the existing state law to the U.S. Constitutional law.

There is generally a balancing that takes place, and these are the balancing elements. There is a state interest in its state law (i.e., police interest, safety interest, etc.). There is the degree that the state's law is reasonably related to the state's purpose, and the degree to which the state's purpose is significant. On the other than, there is the Constitutional provision. There is the degree that the intrusion on the federal Constititional provision reasonably relates to the intended Constititional purpose, and the degree to which the intrusion on rights is reasonably related to the Constititonal purpose.

If the law still allows Americans to possess guns, but affects matters of time, place or manner, then its intrusion upon the "right to bare arms" could be considered limited. Time, place and manner restrictions frequently come up with freedom of speech or religion. They can limit the time you can speak, the volume at which you can speak, the places at which you can speak . . . so long as you have the right to speak.

So, for anybody to bring a gun rights case to the Supreme Court, several things have to happen: 1) you must have lost 3-4 times in court, and still be willing to spend money; 2) you must have spent a few hundred thousand dollars, and still be willing to spend more; 3) you must convince the Supreme Court justices that there is a substantial Constitutional issue with peculiar value to the justice system; and 4) you must show that the intrustion on the Constitution goes beyond simple time, place and manner restrictions that were enacted by the state for the purpose of "public safety" or "police protection," as defined by the respective state legislatures.

[B Wood]

Does anyone know who holds the record for the least number of posts before PISSING off all on the FAL Files?

Good ole Mikey has totally FUCKED his company chances here with 3 posts.

I am guessing that is a new world record here on FAL Files.

Who can calculate the lost business PER Mikey's 3 posts?

LMFAO

ciao Enterprise

[AndyC]

Most spectacular corporate crash & burn I've ever seen.

From Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act:

(c) Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material
(1) Treatment of publisher or speaker

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

I think Jen is quite safe.

"Don't post when you're toast"

[fry]

big shocker he is wr moderator. :rolleyes:

bet a couple hundred phone calls to Enterprise Arms tomorrow morning would get some attention.

especially if the calls refered to Ent-Mikes antics and comments on this board caused the caller to no longer patronize.

1-626-962-8712

[dirtyrice]

i have to agree with b wood. i myself was planning to eventually purchase an inch receiver from entreprise. but after reading this thread and seeing multiple letters that have been sent to falfiles members and related parties about taking action against them. and the fact that he tries to come here and insult the intelligence of many falfilers. it kind of makes me think twice. because as far as i know the people here have given truthful opinions on the products , while i realize some of these are probably from past experiences, like others said produce a better product and prove people wrong. dont threaten them with legal action. im sure he'll find those threats lost him more customers from these forums than the bad reviews. and i would love to see a courtroom full of falfilers.

[vmtz]

Originally posted by gunplumber


Grammar, not grammer. And I promise not to sue you until we've finsihed suing Mikey for incredibly poor taste and judgement - thats got to be an offense somewhere.

Right matie! :beer:

Vince

[ER]

so mikey`s a bible-thumpin, gun totin, porn star :eek:

I don`t guess he`s going to reply anymore, huh:cry: this was getting good.

Oh well. I better keep checking the headspace on my inch receiver.......

[kec0723]

Originally posted by mhg
wonder if we will hear from Mike again?


Matt

might have to wait for the DVD........:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kec0723]

Originally posted by kec0723


might have to wait for the DVD........:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

or would that be VDD........here mate.....:whiskey: :whiskey: :whiskey: ......splash a bit of this down there....might help control the infection...............:uhoh:

[DABTL]

You know Mikey says he is a transaction lawyer, not a litigator. I kind of figured that with his nice fancy, wordy letter.

He seems real smart but not very bright. Lots of 'transaction' lawyers are that way. Kind of like the Scarecrow in the Wizard, he now gets paid big bucks for deep thinking.

And a moderator on WarRifles!

It is all making sense now, non-sense but a form of sense after all.

This may be his first venture into public relations. He has a lot to learn.

Earth to Lawrence: Are you out there?

[B Wood]

Originally posted by DABTL
This may be his first venture into public relations. He has a lot to learn.

I think you may have made a typo here DABTL

Did you mean "This may be his first venture into PUBIC relations? Judging from Mikey's comments....I think that word may be more fitting to his behavior.

;)

[ce]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.

[B Wood]

is it just me......or are the crickets drowning out Mikey Boy's reply?

.....................cricket...................... ..............cricket..........................


PS....this is the reply I rcvd from my email to Enterprise

"Failed to deliver to 'internet-sales@entreprise.com'
SMTP module(domain entreprise.com) reports:
host INBOUND.ENTREPRISE.COM.NETSOLMAIL.NET says:
550 5.2.1 <internet-sales@entreprise.com>... Mailbox disabled for this recipient"


I guess the crickets are pretty damn loud in KA

[gunplumber]

It has been kindof quiet, hasn't it? Lets make it easy. Please answer for us - mikey . .. .

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is affiliated with humblevessel religious media

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is affiliated with internet pornography.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is legal representative for Entreprise Arms

TRUE or FALSE The floorplate pictured above and shipped by Entreprise and engraved "EAI" is US made.


Just answer the questions Mikey . .. ..





Ok, we already know the answers, its just fun watching him squirm . .. .,

Yo - Bill/Vince. I understand in cases of Libel, certain instances the defendent does not have to prove damages, because damages are assumed, such as publishing that John Doe has venereal disease.

Can't a baseless, malicious, public suggestion that one has committed a crime be actionable libel?

Also, isn't there something in your code of conduct that makes malicious use of one's status as an attorney to threaten and intimidate grounds for censure and/or disbarment?

Finally, what California regulatory agency would be responsible for determining if a company (such as a religious mediaa company) was using its non-profit standing to fund a similar for-profit business, llike maybe an internet porn site?

[the gman]

I was talking with adam 762 today & he remarked that this is the ONLY thread he can remember where EVERYONE is in agreement. Even Bill & GPG are in agreement!:eek: :eek:

If Mikey even realised what he had achieved by his posts, he'd realise that that 'thump' noise he heard the other day was the arse falling out of Entre'prise sales.........:devil:

Dumb ass, ya might want to apologise or you are so screwed.

You were involved in 'Death Match'? Figures, I'm pretty sure I watched that one night when me & the rest of my team were hammered in the squadron bar. Being drunk didn't improve the story line one bit.....:tongue: :tongue:

I really think you:

[the gman]

Maybe this place might help?:rofl: :rofl:

[ftierson]

Originally posted by kec0723
it's dick in mouth disease....their from Kaliforicate.....:eek:

By the way, kec, given some of the revelations since you posted this, it turns out that this comment may be more correct than you probably imagined...

:)

Anyway, back up shit creek...

Forrest

[ratas calientes]

:beer: http://chilirat.com/emoticons/chilirat.gif

[EntrepriseMike]

First, my name is "Mike Meyer," not "Mike Meyers."

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with humblevessel religious media -- True, projects written, produced and directed by Michael Meyer.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with internet pornography. -- false, livecam.com developed streaming video technology and became public in the late 1990's. During those few rare moments of dot.bomb, we reached a $300 million market cap. We crashed. It was wild, you should have been there. You think you can make me look funny now? You would have loved that. The website was sold out. Livecam technology included the first server push, which was used by everybody. Perhaps that's why the people who purchaed the livecam.com URL used it for server push jpg.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is legal representative for Entreprise Arms -- true, I am available to do whatever they request. They are good, honest clients. I'm happy to distance myself if you guys would actually give them a chance in the future. That's much more important than whether I have another client or not.

TRUE or FALSE The floorplate pictured above and shipped by Entreprise and engraved "EAI" is US made. -- I have no idea. I wasn't there, which has been my whole point about their ability to make new product and be judged by the work, not whatever this stuff was in the past. But, perhaps you've shown the reality, which is that no good work they do now will ever be appreciated so long as you have 10 year old pictures of things about which current management is unaware.

I want to thank everybody for welcoming me so warmly to the gun community. Having seen the incredible response, it's only a wonder that there aren't more people trying to bring fresh investment to manufacturing for this esteemed customer base.

I want to apologize for anything I've done to diminish the credibility of Entreprise Arms. For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you. I should be personally held responsible for the anger I have engendered, and I ask that everybody limit their anger to me personally. BTW, I actually enjoyed the criticism. Coming from Hollywood, we always say, "say anything you want about me, just spell my name right." So, for the record, it's "meyer," without the "s," not "meyer."

I would personally love to throw my name in the hat as the potential leader for the "Dump Mike Meyer" campaign. Obviously you don't appreciate anything anybody I would have done to bring investment into the FAL industry, so my contributions would be meaningless.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
First, my name is "Mike Meyer," not "Mike Meyers."

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with humblevessel religious media -- True, projects written, produced and directed by Michael Meyer.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with internet pornography. -- false, livecam.com developed streaming video technology and became public in the late 1990's. During those few rare moments of dot.bomb, we reached a $300 million market cap. We crashed. It was wild, you should have been there. You think you can make me look funny now? You would have loved that. The website was sold out. Livecam technology included the first server push, which was used by everybody. Perhaps that's why the people who purchaed the livecam.com URL used it for server push jpg.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is legal representative for Entreprise Arms -- true, I am available to do whatever they request. They are good, honest clients. I'm happy to distance myself if you guys would actually give them a chance in the future. That's much more important than whether I have another client or not.

TRUE or FALSE The floorplate pictured above and shipped by Entreprise and engraved "EAI" is US made. -- I have no idea. I wasn't there, which has been my whole point about their ability to make new product and be judged by the work, not whatever this stuff was in the past. But, perhaps you've shown the reality, which is that no good work they do now will ever be appreciated so long as you have 10 year old pictures of things about which current management is unaware.

I want to thank everybody for welcoming me so warmly to the gun community. Having seen the incredible response, it's only a wonder that there aren't more people trying to bring fresh investment to manufacturing for this esteemed customer base.

I want to apologize for anything I've done to diminish the credibility of Entreprise Arms. For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you. I should be personally held responsible for the anger I have engendered, and I ask that everybody limit their anger to me personally. BTW, I actually enjoyed the criticism. Coming from Hollywood, we always say, "say anything you want about me, just spell my name right." So, for the record, it's "meyer," without the "s," not "meyer."

I would personally love to throw my name in the hat as the potential leader for the "Dump Mike Meyer" campaign. Obviously you don't appreciate anything anybody I would have done to bring investment into the FAL industry, so my contributions would be meaningless.

Whatever...

I'm sure that it's all our (the customers') fault...

Keep searching for that brain...

Forrest

[gunplumber]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with internet pornography. -- false

Are you saying livecam.com is not a porn site?



::: LiveCam.com :::

WARNING: This website contains sexually oriented adult material which may include visual images, movies and verbal descriptions of nude adults, adults engaging in sexual acts, and other audio and visual content that is sexually explicit in nature.

Why are you listed as the PERVASYS.COM registrant, updated this year, with a livecam.com e-mail address?

as the PERVASYS.COM
Registrant:
Michael Meyer
Michael Meyer
Ste 1060, 2029 Century Park East
Los Angeles, CA 90067
US
Email: mikem@livecam.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: pervasys.com

Created on..............: Thu, Aug 10, 2000
Expires on..............: Thu, Aug 10, 2006
Record last updated on..: Sat, Feb 25, 2006


TRUE or FALSE The floorplate pictured above and shipped by Entreprise and engraved "EAI" is US made. -- I have no idea. I wasn't there, which has been my whole point about their ability to make new product and be judged by the work, not whatever this stuff was in the past. But, perhaps you've shown the reality, which is that no good work they do now will ever be appreciated so long as you have 10 year old pictures of things about which current management is unaware.

This happened about sixth months ago - how far back is it reasonable for to go to assess the integrity of a vendor?


I want to thank everybody for welcoming me so warmly to the gun community. Having seen the incredible response, it's only a wonder that there aren't more people trying to bring fresh investment to manufacturing for this esteemed customer base.

There are consequences to your behavior. "Its only a wonder" that you thought you could squash free speech and honest, objective, factual reporting by mealy-mouthed threats and intimidation. To steal a tag line - "You can't Bull$hit the shock troops."

[Pistolwiz]

Posted by Mikey Meyer(s):

"For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you."

Your an idiot. Plain and simple. You continue to insult the customer base of your client. You can't comprehend because you can't understand how people that build rifles need to have a product they can trust so the damn thing doesn't blow up in their faces!

But as you prove by your posts you don't/can't/won't understand...............The main problem is when something does go wrong Entreprise looks to blame their customers long before they take any blame for mistakes they have made. I will NEVER buy, promote or recommend Entreprise products until I see a big change in attitude and quality. That could take decades!

I personally am very proud to serve this market. Never a bounced check. Honest, hard working and overall a great bunch of guys! They demand the right product, at the right price made the right way. What's so bad about that? Other companies do it every day. They handle problems and take care of their customer base and reap the rewards of it over time. Entreprise has pissed on so many people over the years their reputation is becoming worse than Century!

Gunplumber is the most respected FAL builder in this country if not the world. He is brutally honest. The great majority here will take his word long before Entreprise. Why? Accountabilty, Honesty, Responsibility, Honor. Words you probably don't understand/comprehend obviously.

You sir, are an embarrassment to this market. Your arrogance is there to hide fault. You as well as your client are digging the hole even deeper. A great many here will be happy to loan you the backhoe. But it could not compare to the steam shovel your already using!

BTW- A forum at WR is no accomplishment. It's free and your protected from truthful and accurate reviews. Here......The truth finally comes out because the speech is not controlled by edit/banning nazis like over there!

:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

[RT]

MR Mike Meyer please send me 5 of your US made Entreprise Arms floorplates to me. probono "free" as i am broke and i will tell you if they are a true 922R part. let me know and i will send you an address to send them to. thanks~Richard --also if you are a Mod on WAR Rifel get me unbanned. as i was banned for freedom of speach. i didn't use bad words, i just told 1 of your vindors that they were liers, so i have no first amdt rites on WR, and by some of the letters i have seen. people like Entreprise Arms pay you big $$$ to try to scare people from telling the truth, about a Bad product. that is an Nazi way of keeping people quiet. but on the other hand if people complaine about gun rites you get all upset. sounds like a doubble standard. so hook me up with 5 floorplates and i will tell you the truth if it is good or bad so don't be scared i have a camera and will post pic's. so have a great day MR MM~R

[frtyfivsevnty]

How dare we not appreciate all this guy has done for us.:rolleyes: As far as no good work Entreprise may do in the future being appreciated,you can thank yourself for that.

[English Mike]

One question:

Were the owners of Entreprise aware of your actions re. threatening the 'files with legal action & your less than amenable first post here, or was this all your idea?

Your answer might make a difference,

[Bug Tussell]

How refreshing it would have been had Mr. Meyer (is the "s" optional?) had come on the board and said something along the lines of:

Hello All, my name is Mike Meyer(s optional) and I am a representative for Entreprise Arms and the reason I am here is to discover what Entreprise can do to assist the FAL community in your hobby.

Please tell me what you like about Entreprise's services and products and more importantly, tell me what you don't like about our services and products.

Nope. Didn't happen.
Had an opportunity and didn't recognize it. Too bad.

[mhg]

Originally posted by Bug Tussell
How refreshing it would have been had Mr. Meyer (is the "s" optional?) had come on the board and said something along the lines of:

Hello All, my name is Mike Meyer(s optional) and I am a representative for Entreprise Arms and the reason I am here is to discover what Entreprise can do to assist the FAL community in your hobby. [

Please tell me what you like about Entreprise's services and products and more importantly, tell me what you don't like about our services and products.

Nope. Didn't happen.
Had an opportunity and didn't recognize it. Too bad.

looks like his ego got in the way


Matt

It did take balls to come back and post tho


Is it ok to say "Balls"?

[cookhj]

i've been following this thread since just after it started, largely because i had been thinking about buying an entreprise receiver for an imbel kit that i have. i've read many good things and a few bad things about them and i was willing to give their receivers a chance so i could say first hand what i liked/disliked about them.

however, once mr meyer began posting his threats to us on here i quickly realized that i do have a dog in this fight, mainly because in a way, y'all are friends of mine, albeit in a strange way. since you are friends, i will remain loyal to the group and support you because of the trust and respect you have earned over my 3-ish years of being a member.

now as for mr meyer; you sir have some serious damage control to do. you dare come on here and start threatening friends of mine that have earned my trust and respect, which is not an easy thing to do. the only thing that you have done right is start to apologize on here for your actions. if you have any hope of your company ever selling any receivers to the largest FAL community in the country, you might want to start kissing some serious ass very soon.

first off, and i'm sure most of the member here would agree, i would like to see a letter from entreprise's management stating that your posts are the official position of the company. if not, you have some explaining to do, and so do they. second, i'm sure that the FALfiles deserves an apology from the company. lastly, i would like to see entreprise make a commitment to working with the group here on trying to improve their company; however, i'm sure they would have to do some major work to even get people here to help them.



Originally posted by Bug Tussell
How refreshing it would have been had Mr. Meyer (is the "s" optional?) had come on the board and said something along the lines of:

Hello All, my name is Mike Meyer(s optional) and I am a representative for Entreprise Arms and the reason I am here is to discover what Entreprise can do to assist the FAL community in your hobby.

Please tell me what you like about Entreprise's services and products and more importantly, tell me what you don't like about our services and products.



this way would've been so much easier for you and your company. good luck in digging yourself outta this hole!

[B Wood]

Simply amazing. I am sure the masters of Enterprise are pleased with Mikey boy's performance. One can only hope that Enterprise has the wisdom to fire Mikey for his threats placed here.

The only way I will ever do business with Enterprise is for the owner / CEO to publicly apologize here, and terminate Mikey.

As they say in "fly-over" country........ "that boy is just plain 'ole dumb"

[chickendumpling]

Each time I look through this "Sticky", I wonder about those 2 beers I had. I'm I to believe this MM, lawyer, and represents EA. Had to be bad beer :beer:

MM, this has got to be for entertainment purposes only :wink:

Perhaps I need more :beer: :rofl:

[Ricketts]

Mr. Meyer--

May I be blunt with you??

Quotes like this--

I want to thank everybody for welcoming me so warmly to the gun community. Having seen the incredible response, it's only a wonder that there aren't more people trying to bring fresh investment to manufacturing for this esteemed customer base.

are certainly not helping you and EA back into the fold.

You see, we gun owners--not to mention our subculture of fans of the EBR you produce parts for, are ALWAYS being shit on. We are shit on by politicians. We are shit on by the news media. We are shit on by fellow citizens. And in there, there is always some asswipe lawyer leading the charge. Lawyers on the board--pardon my generalization.

Now, you step into our living room, as it is, and wipe shit all over our carpet. You threaten a lawsuit against Jen and persons un-named if we continue to tell the truth about your company and it's products. You just became part of that group shitting on us, and WE are the bulk of your customer base. WHAT A BUSINESSMAN!!!! It's idiots like you that prohibit any type of investment because if the wind don't blow right, people like YOU threaten to SUE!!!!

You don't like how you were treated here??? You got what you gave out, son.

I bought 3 receivers from Entrerise. 2 were great. One was crap. It took more than 2 months to fix in YOUR shop and more money out of MY pocket. The last one was pure crap and it cost me money to get YOUR crap fixed. And when that came back, I sold the POS since I couldn;t stand to have that bad karma in my possession.

I would consider trying another one if I heard someone there finally got smart enough to get a REAL manufacturing group and management there FIRES the likes of you. Then, the management needs to come on this board and apologize to us.

The majority of enthusiasts on this board would have been glad to help EA succeed in their new offerings with cash from sales and assistance.

Most of us now kinda would like to see you go the way of an Edsel. Just because of your people skills.

The fact that you represent that company demonstrates that maybe they would be better off in the movie business--where everything is fake. Think about it--

[adam762]

Just so's not to confuse you, Mikey, I'll make my 'welcome' comments pretty plain.

Go play on the freeway somewhere- preferably during rush hour- and take that sorry enterprise inc. with you. No one will miss you.

I am a small fish in the FAL build/ finishing business. My opinions really don't count for a whole lot. I can tell you, though, that I will not service or build on an Enterprise receiver as long as you are affiliated with that company. This community; this BOARD feeds me, and I will not betray it by servicing your second rate products, especially when the proceeds from those sales are financing threats such as have been displayed here.

It would be nice to think that all the board smiths would stand in unison behind an entreprise 'ban', but there will likely be many that will not care. That's fine.

I'll buy a bunch of Centurys before I buy an entreprise. Wither and die, you fool.

Plain enough for you, jackass?

[B Wood]

Originally posted by adam762
It would be nice to think that all the board smiths would stand in unison behind an entreprise 'ban', but there will likely be many that will not care. That's fine.


I think that is an EXCELLENT idea! Boycott of Enterprise anyone?

Adam....beer is on me when we ever meet

no Enterprise purchases for me

[fastprofessor]

Originally posted by B Wood


I think that is an EXCELLENT idea! Boycott of Enterprise anyone?

Adam....beer is on me when we ever meet

no Enterprise purchases for me

Careful now. If we start doin that, Entreprise might just higher themselves another lawyer to sue Mike Meyer(s) for damages. :biggrin:

[ftierson]

Originally posted by mhg
Is it ok to say "Balls"?

Sure...

After all, they're just things that you hit with a bat...

I can think of someone's balls that deserve being hit with a bat, too...

Then again, maybe that's in one of the scenes from his movies...

I'm sure that he did well in them too, since he's clearly one of the biggest dicks around...

Forrest

Whoops, no editing... I just hit the edit button instead of the quote button when I was trying to add what follows this post. Sorry.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by ftierson
I'm sure that he did well in them too, since he's clearly one of the biggest dicks around...

By the way, just in case the dense moron thinks that I meant this as a compliment, I didn't...

Forrest

[mhg]

Originally posted by adam762
[B

It would be nice to think that all the board smiths would stand in unison behind an entreprise 'ban', but there will likely be many that will not care. [/B]

Hey Adam.........

I'll agree with you here.

Foot to the floor?

Hey man have fun, spend time with the kids and pee on a car tire for me.


Best

Matt

[Sig220]

BODAB.......Big..........Ole........Dumb.......... .....Ass..........Boy.............BODAB.

[RT]

Originally posted by B Wood


I think that is an EXCELLENT idea! Boycott of Enterprise anyone?

Adam....beer is on me when we ever meet

no Enterprise purchases for me count me in. NO Enterprise for me............not any parts or recievers etc~Richard in Florida so Mikey you just cost EAI $$$$$$$ who else is in on the Boycott?~R

[fry]

this is a tough room, it is also a fair and forgiving room.

i wonder what this thread would look like if the majority of posts were made by moderators? i wonder what this board would look like if the majority of posts were made by moderators? i wonder how successful this board would be if completly manipulated by moderators?


Mr. Meyer,
i find it very hard to believe that Enterprise Arms would hire an attorney to specifically send a letter like the one posted here. please explain to me what Enterprise Arms has to gain by sending a letter like the one you sent?
you missed a huge opportunity by insulting Enterprise Arms customers and disguising it as an apology.
regards,
fry

[fry]

apology posted by Mike Meyer, agent of Enterprise Arms:
"I want to apologize for anything I've done to diminish the credibility of Entreprise Arms. For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you."

Mr. Meyer,
what kind of people are Enterprise Arms customers? please be specific. have i taken any of your words out of context?
regards,
fry

[ftierson]

Originally posted by fry
this is a tough room, it is also a fair and forgiving room.

i wonder what this thread would look like if the majority of posts were made by moderators? i wonder what this board would look like if the majority of posts were made by moderators? i wonder how successful this board would be if completly manipulated by moderators?


Mr. Meyer,
i find it very hard to believe that Enterprise Arms would hire an attorney to specifically send a letter like the one posted here. please explain to me what Enterprise Arms has to gain by sending a letter like the one you sent?
you missed a huge opportunity by insulting Enterprise Arms customers and disguising it as an apology.
regards,
fry

Actually, although some weasel words are there, I don't hear any apology. Just an attempt at damage control (and a particularily feeble and pathetic one, at that...)

Forrest

[ftierson]

Originally posted by fry
apology posted by Mike Meyer, agent of Enterprise Arms:
"I want to apologize for anything I've done to diminish the credibility of Entreprise Arms. For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you."

Mr. Meyer,
what kind of people are Enterprise Arms customers? please be specific. have i taken any of your words out of context?
regards,
fry

Now there, fry, is a great question...

Eh, Mikey...?

Your pathetic apology for harming Entreprise (and, if I were you, I'd really be concerned about that, what with the real damages that you've directly caused your masters and all) is no apology to any of those here maligned by you...

Forrest

[cookhj]

just curious, but has anyone contacted entreprise about this? i know everyone's really worked up about this whole thing, but has anyone contacted them directly?

[fastprofessor]

Originally posted by cookhj
just curious, but has anyone contacted entreprise about this? i know everyone's really worked up about this whole thing, but has anyone contacted them directly?

411man was going to do that, but then he got busy contacting various high level movers and shakers and other top secret sources in the ammo importing business and never followed through :rofl: :biggrin:

[ftierson]

Originally posted by cookhj
just curious, but has anyone contacted entreprise about this? i know everyone's really worked up about this whole thing, but has anyone contacted them directly?

My understanding is that a couple of people have tried to pass this on to Entreprise, with no contact...

My feeling is that if you unleash your lawyer on a bunch of people (including Jen) to attack them, then it behooves you to keep track of what's going on and fix problems...

It doesn't strike me as the responsibility of the victims of the attacks to keep the leash holder of the attacking animal informed...

On top of that, if I was trying to sell FAL stuff, I'd have someone checking this website every day...

But maybe that's just me...

Forrest

[fry]

i called tuesday morning and spoke to the nice lady in customer service. i asked if mike meyer's opinions are that of enterprise arms.

i stated i could not believe what i was reading on the gun board (fal files) and how what started as an overwhelmingly positive thread about entrerprise arms recievers had turned negative when enterprise mike began posting. she told me that enterprise arms was not on the falfiles... that it was on war rifles. she said she would check it out (and did so while on the phone). she didnt seem to be very pleased at what she was reading.

i told her i found it very hard to believe a company like enterprise arms would engage in petty crap like sending lawyer letters to gun board operators, followed by sending in their attorney/agent to taunt its very own customer base.

i am sorry i cannot remember her name, she was very professional.

i was asked for my contact information so "they" could get back to me. i asked if i too was going to be sent a letter from mike meyer, she said no.

they have not gotten back to me.

[fry]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
First, my name is "Mike Meyer," not "Mike Meyers."

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with humblevessel religious media -- True, projects written, produced and directed by Michael Meyer.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyer (no "s") is affiliated with internet pornography. -- false, livecam.com developed streaming video technology and became public in the late 1990's. During those few rare moments of dot.bomb, we reached a $300 million market cap. We crashed. It was wild, you should have been there. You think you can make me look funny now? You would have loved that. The website was sold out. Livecam technology included the first server push, which was used by everybody. Perhaps that's why the people who purchaed the livecam.com URL used it for server push jpg.

TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is legal representative for Entreprise Arms -- true, I am available to do whatever they request. They are good, honest clients. I'm happy to distance myself if you guys would actually give them a chance in the future. That's much more important than whether I have another client or not.

TRUE or FALSE The floorplate pictured above and shipped by Entreprise and engraved "EAI" is US made. -- I have no idea. I wasn't there, which has been my whole point about their ability to make new product and be judged by the work, not whatever this stuff was in the past. But, perhaps you've shown the reality, which is that no good work they do now will ever be appreciated so long as you have 10 year old pictures of things about which current management is unaware.

I want to thank everybody for welcoming me so warmly to the gun community. Having seen the incredible response, it's only a wonder that there aren't more people trying to bring fresh investment to manufacturing for this esteemed customer base.

I want to apologize for anything I've done to diminish the credibility of Entreprise Arms. For reasons beyond my comprehension, they are working very hard to please people like you. I should be personally held responsible for the anger I have engendered, and I ask that everybody limit their anger to me personally. BTW, I actually enjoyed the criticism. Coming from Hollywood, we always say, "say anything you want about me, just spell my name right." So, for the record, it's "meyer," without the "s," not "meyer."

I would personally love to throw my name in the hat as the potential leader for the "Dump Mike Meyer" campaign. Obviously you don't appreciate anything anybody I would have done to bring investment into the FAL industry, so my contributions would be meaningless.

"TRUE or FALSE Mike Meyers is legal representative for Entreprise Arms -- true, I am available to do whatever they request. They are good, honest clients. I'm happy to distance myself if you guys would actually give them a chance in the future. That's much more important than whether I have another client or not."


i cant help but notice that you state {Mike Meyers}(with an "s") is legal representation for Enterprise Arms. i notice how careful you are with your words. will the real mike meyer please stand up.

are you Mike Meyer (enterprisemike) acting as Enterprise Arms agent concerning the letter sent to this gun board? i would only expect you to reply if the answer is yes.

are you acting on behalf of Enterprise Arms when posting on this gun board?

is Enterprise Arms pleased with your performance in regards to letter you sent and your recent posts here?

[Bearwhositshere]

I will let Mikeys intellectual equals explain our feelings toward him <a href="http://www.extremeprofiles.org"><img src="http://extremeprofiles.org/Images/animatedgraphics/165.gif" border="0" alt="ExtremeProfiles.org,Your one stop graphic spot"/></a>

ba bye now

[EntrepriseMike]

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=2 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=3 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=4

[B Wood]

Originally posted by cookhj
just curious, but has anyone contacted entreprise about this? i know everyone's really worked up about this whole thing, but has anyone contacted them directly?

I tried via email.

Here is the reply to my email I sent

"Failed to deliver to 'internet-sales@entreprise.com'
SMTP module(domain entreprise.com) reports:
host INBOUND.ENTREPRISE.COM.NETSOLMAIL.NET says:
550 5.2.1 ... Mailbox disabled for this recipient"

[mhg]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=2 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=3 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=4


Ya got us seeing red Mike


Matt

[EntrepriseMike]

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=2

[mhg]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=2

I aint sign'n up Mike

Can I have the cliff notes?


Matt

[B Wood]

no interest on this end to sign up. say it here or don't say it at all mikey

owner of Enterprise decide to fire you and apologize to the FAL Files yet?

[English Mike]

Well Mr Meyer, I wont be signing up to Yahoo considering their idea of a "privacy" policy; why not cut & paste what you want us to see?

[EntrepriseMike]

No need to fire me. I'm turning in the calendar and "making of" video, and then moving on to greener pastures. If there's a way to upload some of the calendar pix, you could give instructions and I'll upload. Does a standard image tag work? Let's see:

<img src="http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1">

[adam762]

Who cares where you go, or why. Just go. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[English Mike]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
No need to fire me. I'm turning in the calendar and "making of" video, and then moving on to greener pastures. If there's a way to upload some of the calendar pix, you could give instructions and I'll upload. Does a standard image tag work? Let's see:

<img src="http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1">

Fortunately not, otherwise you would merely confirm that you haven't a clue as to how thing are here.

This site is firstly & foremost a place for those who have an enthusiasm for the FN-FAL/L1A1 SLR.

Calendar photo's aren't going to redeem you after your prior performance.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
No need to fire me. I'm turning in the calendar and "making of" video, and then moving on to greener pastures. If there's a way to upload some of the calendar pix, you could give instructions and I'll upload. Does a standard image tag work? Let's see:

<img src="http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1">

Green pastures are the result of good fertilization...

With your load of bullshit, wherever you are should be pretty green...

And you're not even technologically competent...

No one cares what you think or where you're going. Even if you cared, you can't fix things here now.

It's time for your leash holder to put in an appearance and set things right...

Given what's happened here, I'm guessing that they may be incapable of that too. But I'm sure that a sincere attempt would be appreciated by all...

Forrest

[English Mike]

Interestingly enough, the EAI Website's "Links" page has no mention whatsoever of the FALfiles; there's one to Wahrifles & lots of others..........

[gunsmith_tony]

I looked in on this sticky early on...when there were but a few posts on a single page. I noticed today that it has grown quite significantly. And after reading through all seven pages I've come to the conclusion that, even without all the other statements by you and others, this (quoted below) is all I needed to read. Why anyone would willingly and publicly display such blatant stupidity is far beyond even my ability to comprehend. Before reading this, my overall opinion of Entre'prise Arms and their products was borderline at best. Even so, I was often willing to recommend "some" of their products to my customers. Suffice it to say...that has changed. I have never purchased Entre'prise products. Not because I was afraid of getting bad components, but because I just haven't had any need to. Which brings me to my point..."need".
I don't "need" their receivers.
I don't "need" their parts.
I don't "need" their services.
Basically, I don't "need" them, or for that matter...you.
Hence fourth, M&M Gunsmithing will no longer accept any new builds using Entre'prise receivers. We will likewise not accept any new builds using Entre'prise components or "compliance" parts. As for any prospective customers thinking of sending me such work, I sincerely apologize if this decision causes you any inconvenience. Even so, the decision is final...and not subject to negotiation.
Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

The new manufacturing group is also quite talented. The new receivers will be excellent. With manufacturing back in full swing, company focus has been in the noisy back area, where Entreprise's future is being built one piece at a time. Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's, Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals. Entreprise does not want to be responsible for the reprehensible work of a few unqualified gunsmiths. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise. It would be nice to see some of the detractors produce more than slander.

For the various gun smiths trying to make a living by building up stories about 15 year old manufacture, Entreprise sincerely hopes that they get rich off their slanderous remarks and libelous writings. It's no fun to sue mouthy, opinionated, judgment-proof cynics who don't even have the money to cover the damages they inflict on the innocent.

For those who have gone to ridiculous lengths to find something untrue to say about Entreprise, this might be a good time to reconsider. Especially if you have written something untrue based on a minor “contribution” from an Entreprise competitor for the primary purpose of slandering Entreprise’s name for the benefit of the competitor. Libel, slander, interference with prospective advantage, interference with business relations, and intentional infliction are just a few law suits people might want to avoid defending. Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney.

[frtyfivsevnty]

I knew I should have sent you my G1 build last month.:(

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by gunsmith_tony
Which brings me to my point..."need".
I don't "need" their receivers.
I don't "need" their parts.
I don't "need" their services.
Basically, I don't "need" them, . . .
Hence fourth, M&M Gunsmithing will no longer accept any new builds using Entre'prise receivers.


I made that decision years ago, and it hasn't hurt me one bit. There may come a day when business is so slow that I "need" to build on an Entre'prise for lack of anything else to build on, but I doubt it.

I based my decision 10% on the lack of quality in the product and 90% on the lack of integrity displayed by the company and its representatives.

[gunsmith_tony]

Originally posted by gunplumber
I made that decision years ago, and it hasn't hurt me one bit. There may come a day when business is so slow that I "need" to build on an Entre'prise for lack of anything else to build on, but I doubt it.

I based my decision 10% on the lack of quality in the product and 90% on the lack of integrity displayed by the company and its representatives.

Thats one of the major reasons I now prefer doing this part-time. When I was a full-time gunsmith and business was slow, I often had to take in work that frankly belonged in a garbage recepticle...in order to cover overhead. Can't say that I miss that. Replacing a base pin in a Clerke 1st just never blew my skirt up...know what I mean? lol
Having a full-time job (mostly) covering my bills allows me to be down right picky about what I take in. In comparison...this is quite blissful.

[B Wood]

mikey?

http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/Photofun/76-head_up_ass.jpg

http://www.boomersfunnies.com/Pictures/headupass.jpg

http://www.richardthelionhearted.com/Laughs/images/Head%20up%20ass.jpg

http://www.augustmail.com/~tadmc/head_up_ass.jpg

Or how about a shirt in regards to Mikey's posts?

http://www.legendarytees.me.uk/graphics/CompleteTees5/H167HeadUpAss.jpg

PS.....the "pics" mikey was posting a link to are in Yapoop's Enterprise group....they are pics of the "auditions" of girls for an apparent Enterprise calender......don't waste your time........guess some companies have to resort to T&A to sell guns.

[RT]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
No need to fire me. I'm turning in the calendar and "making of" video, and then moving on to greener pastures. If there's a way to upload some of the calendar pix, you could give instructions and I'll upload. Does a standard image tag work? Let's see:

<img src="http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EntrepriseArms/photos/view/a00d?b=1"> Pay the falfiles as a vender for EAI and you can post pic's. but we still don't like you~R

[kec0723]

Originally posted by mhg


looks like his ego got in the way


Matt

It did take balls to come back and post tho


Is it ok to say "Balls"?

un-dead "balls"...............

[jim west]

I was considering a metric reciever from that lot. After reading this I have to pass. Id rather remain falless that give them money. YMMV Jim

[ftierson]

Originally posted by fry
i called tuesday morning and spoke to the nice lady in customer service. i asked if mike meyer's opinions are that of enterprise arms.

Let's see...

fry spoke with the nice lady in customer service at Entreprise on Tuesday morning and she checked this thread out then...

fry asked if the words of Entreprise's lawyer (Mikey) that Entreprise unleashed on this site and it's membership really represented the thoughts/feelings/policies of Entreprise Arms or not...

Here it is nearly noon (MDT) on Friday and no comments from Entreprise...

To me, the silence speaks volumes...

But, hey, maybe that's just me...

Forrest

[RT]

Mikey u there???????????????????????????

[DABTL]

Originally posted by rtgunsmoke
Mikey u there???????????????????????????

Mikey has moved on. That means, in all probability, that whatever plan he had, perhaps Entreprise' also, has not seen a positive result.

Lawyers are generally hired to perform much as a doctor, 'First, do no harm', and to produce positive results or at least ease the pain. Mikey has failed at both points.

This probably means Mikey and Entreprise are no longer connected. Next case.

[B Wood]

You would think............................

that SOMEONE at Enterprise in UPPER Management ..............................

.........would have the decency for a PUBLIC APOLOGY in this forum.


But then again...........that would require decency, respect, honor, integrity, humility, and the ability to say "we screwed up........please accept our apology"

Somehow I think they do not possess these attributes.

Ciao Enterprise

[Ricketts]

They shut their email down--I got a failure message from Customer Service. Gee--now THERE is a surprize!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ftierson]

Originally posted by DABTL
This probably means Mikey and Entreprise are no longer connected.

Probably so...

I wonder if he's still a 'moderator' at Warrifles...?

Forrest

[English Mike]

Originally posted by Ricketts
They shut their email down--I got a failure message from Customer Service. Gee--now THERE is a surprize!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Aye; the email I sent on Wednesday bounced too.

[Dean P]

Just the start of bankruptcy & name change. Stay tuned there will be more, after a lie or 2.

[Strike Penguin]

Wow, what a thread.

Who says customer service is dead, hay? :rolleyes:

I know who I won't be ordering from in the future. Thanks for clearing that up.

[RT]

Originally posted by fry
i called tuesday morning and spoke to the nice lady in customer service. i asked if mike meyer's opinions are that of enterprise arms.

i stated i could not believe what i was reading on the gun board (fal files) and how what started as an overwhelmingly positive thread about entrerprise arms recievers had turned negative when enterprise mike began posting. she told me that enterprise arms was not on the falfiles... that it was on war rifles. she said she would check it out (and did so while on the phone). she didnt seem to be very pleased at what she was reading.

i told her i found it very hard to believe a company like enterprise arms would engage in petty crap like sending lawyer letters to gun board operators, followed by sending in their attorney/agent to taunt its very own customer base.

i am sorry i cannot remember her name, she was very professional.

i was asked for my contact information so "they" could get back to me. i asked if i too was going to be sent a letter from mike meyer, she said no.

they have not gotten back to me. any update?~R

[Pistolwiz]

I have had a few customers in the last couple of days tell me that their phone is disconnected. Hmmmmmm....The end is nearer than I thought maybe? :|

[fry]

Originally posted by Gunpartsguy
I have had a few customers in the last couple of days tell me that their phone is disconnected. Hmmmmmm....The end is nearer than I thought maybe? :|

1-626-962-8712 must be how rhubarb gets started

[fry]

Originally posted by rtgunsmoke
any update?~R

no.

[Bug Tussell]

Website is down.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

They could always task their highly schooled 'experts' with fixing the website...

Yup, that should work...

If praying helps, they've got that dicked too...

Forrest

[Bug Tussell]

Email is down.
Website is down.
Phones are disconnected.

At least FAC had a going out of business sale before they closed the doors!

:p

[fry]

i called friday afternoon pst and the phone was answered "Enterprise". i asked what the business hours were and they told me. they said nothing of going out of business.

[sixty]

Someone mentioned Coonan receivers. Where can you buy these, or is there any where other than DSA at the moment. A lot of metric kits out there Imbel.
Anyone??????????????? Sixty lloydvnvet@united.net

[frtyfivsevnty]

Coonan's aren't available again yet.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally posted by sixty
Someone mentioned Coonan receivers. Where can you buy these, or is there any where other than DSA at the moment. A lot of metric kits out there Imbel.
Anyone??????????????? Sixty lloydvnvet@united.net

www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

[vmtz]

Originally posted by Gunpartsguy


www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

+1.

Vince

[adam762]

Holy S%&T!!! James and Vince agree on something!


(only in the entreprise thread...)

[Tomovich]

Sooooooooo.................how are DSA's INCH receivers to work with then???

;) :? :biggrin:

[gunsmith_tony]

I have also removed them from the "LINKS" page on my site.

[101ABN327]

www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

I got on the list a couple of months ago. The only information I ever get is what I email and ask them for directly. I thought the email list was for a mass mailing information clearing house. I wish the vendors would keep us better informed. Even if there is nothing to report, as least say that.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Tomovich
Sooooooooo.................how are DSA's INCH receivers to work with then???

;) :? :biggrin:

Recess for mag catch spring on ejector block is metric size - needs to be enlarged slightly for inch mag catch spring.

It is an excellent receiver - I've built 5 now I think and they are really well done - every bit as good as their metric.

If only they were available . .. ..

Maybe a long nagging chain of customers calling and saying "make some more!"

[Tomovich]

Damn..........they were listed in my latest dealer price catalog so I just assumed............... shit!

[Fault Zone]

This is really a sad post…

Why on earth would a Vendor hire a lawyer to come into our community and begin blasting us from his high and mighty soap box with a bunch of threats than cannot be realized. I mean, does Entreprise plan to obtain income by suing people? It would seem easier just to stick with selling gun stuff…quality gun merchandise I mean.

Any how…my tale with Entreprise is as follows:

I was never an inch gun fan until last year at the Big Reno Show I met a gent selling two Brit kit guns on inch Entreprise receivers. Well after looking at a whole bunch of Hesse and Century built inch guns earlier in the day, I was more convinced than ever that inch guns were just crap. Then I found the Entreprise guns. I had to do a double take. The fit and finish was exceptional. The upper receiver mated perfectly to the lower. The dust cover fit was extraordinary…without the typical mile wide gap up front on the left side where the cover meets the receiver bridge by the carry handle. The lightning cut radii were elegantly chamfered, the machine work was amazing. I bought both guns from the gent. Currently one is dress in all black and the other in wood. These have become my favorite FAL’s.

How do they shoot???? Like a dream…I dump 20 rounders like falling water without a hitch. Accurate beyond what my sorry ass can shoot too.

About 8 months ago I spent the big bucks and got one of SLR-5000’s un-issued Aussie kits and started down the dark path of inch guns. Today I called Rich at CGW to discuss the Aussie build and to get his OK to move the receiver thru him. I asked if he was still doing inch builds on Entreprise receivers. He mentioned this post and I had to check it out.

Needless to say I am now on the waiting list for a DSA inch receiver. This kind of thing just makes no sense. Sorry Entreprise…I love my two inch guns but the next will be a DSA baby. I wish Entreprise luck in the future in turning around this PR disaster. Bottom line for me is that I think their products are fine...I like my inch receivers...but you cannot insult or threaten your customer base when a QC/QA issue comes up and have the opinion that those threats are the means to solving the problem.

[sparky]

When I was the first one to post that George Gouger and Entreprise where crooks I took alot of crap. Bill was the only other one that had problems with George but he defended Entreprise then.

Looks like the birds have come home to dump!

[Falfegnügen]

Ben Franklin once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

WOW! I've sure missed a lot :eek: I guess it just goes to show, you can lead a horse to water, but...OMG, what fun this has been. :rofl:

[Tomovich]

Serious question.............. :eek: ...............what is the "wait" on the waiting list on DSA's INCH receivers at right now??

[Fault Zone]

I really cannot say what the wait will be for a DSA Incge receiver. The sales lady told me they were going to have a batch run in the next few weeks and DSA would fill all backorders in the oder in which people called in for them.

With the gun situation as it is now in the USA, I just place my order and get on with life. When stuff gets to me...it get to me. No worries over the wait.

Fault Zone

[GUN SNOB]

I dont beleive I just read 9 pages of this shit, its like a train wreck, I couldent look away.

If this is Enterprises damage controle I would hate to see there 'New and Improved' product line.

Wounder what name thay will re-open under? Should be easy to spot the freshly stamped rusty parts and welded up recivers.

I never did buisness with them due to there reputation. Gess that wont change, some things cant be fixed.

[evan price]

In the words of Keannu Reaves in most of his movies:

"whoah."


I just wecsog'ed a Entreprise metric receiver together with a batch of 922 parts and US furniture on a Dan's Imbel kit. Bear in mind I bought the receiver a while back from a gunshop consignment shelf for a pretty fair price (meaning, "cheap"). The gun went together surprisingly easily and shot as good as the Century I have as well. I honestly figured there would be more problems. There WERE problems but nothing I consider deal busters, not for a $199 receiver that was sold to me as used unknown goods.

I was considering buying a couple more of their Type III receivers with handle cuts to build some more rifles I have kits for.

But after wading through this entire post string I think my best money will be spent waiting for Coonan's new products or bite the $$bullet and grab a DSA. Sorry, ORF, but no ejector blocks is a deal buster for me, I won't drill into that heat treated receiver billet without a fixturing jig, risk getting the holes off, and have to heat the receiver, weld up the holes, drill new holes, and re-heat treat.

Sorry Entreprise, if this fella represents your new efforts to win friends and influence people, I remember your products from 10 years ago. I remember the way this guy treated us FALaholics last month. It's going to take something really special to change minds.... like maybe a run of receivers sold to FALfiles group buy at cost- which would get you valuable market exposure- assuming they are not as bad as they were then and what was said is true, they are not junk. Chances that will happen = .01% not holding breath.

Goodbye Entreprise. Good fortune. But not my $$$.

[ThunderGod]

Ground Control to Entreprise,
Ground Control to Entreprise,

Please repond...

[dirtyrice]

i doubt it will ever happen. and mike is still very much a part of entreprise. if you dont think so go check out warrifles. shows how much they care. and i thought there was debate to as if anyone had actually contacted entreprise about this whole thing. and just incase someone from entreprise still reads this. i will be receiving my DSA inch receiver tomorrow. as i decided not to buy from enterprise.

[Dean P]

I am banned at warrifles & I have never posted on their board.:D

[DABTL]

I have purchased a DSA inch receiver for a bit more money than Entreprise wants for their receiver.

It has arrived in good order. High quality without a problem according to sledgehammer.

With Lawrence gone and Mikey on board waiting around for something that may be pie in the sky has its limits.

As I am out of kits, out of patience and appalled by Mikey, Entreprise has sold me its last product. Good luck to them. I will not be a customer, however.

[ftierson]

And still no comment from Entreprise...

Who would have guessed (yuk, yuk, probably all of us)...

I guess that their lack of comments really says it all...

I hope that they plan to concentrate on their pool aerator business (I made that up, of course, but they're going to need something other than their failed receiver business)...

Forrest

[SHARPSHOOTER]

I can not speak for the current situation of Entreprise but I know that the inch receiver that I got last year was a spot on no problem build for me. Same as the Type III I had that now belongs to Rooster. It screwed together very nicely!

One of these days they might actually become concerned with their customer base. They could be a serious competitior out there in the FAL Market if they really wanted to be. It all Leaves me rather puzzled:confused:

[AZMyrmidon]

I called Entreprise today as I had purchased two of their receivers back in 2001 and have sat on them, biding my time to see what happened with legislation and the availability of parts. Well, since I take it their stuff is "hit and miss," I wanted to make sure someone was going to build on their stuff and that they'd be around. They found the notion funny that they'd be going under because of all this. I then reminded them that Winchester is gone and it stopped being funny. Turns out they are ready and raring and will build on about anything, even Centuries. I mentioned this exchange here to them and urged them to disavow the clown posing as attorney and say a few words to their prospective clientele here which would reflect just how professional an outfit they were. The lady I spoke with was conciliatory, as I am not at all ready to boycott and would prefer not to, but I would like to see them do the right thing here. I let them know that if they showed this type of class, they'd have my business and I will stand by that. They took my name and number and email addy and seem genuinely concerned as if they'd do something regarding this. I have to credit them for that, but I am still looking for a mea culpa.

Fortis!
AZ Myrmidon
When I mentioned DSA and Coonan, I sensed a certain disappointment. When I said DSAs were actually built on arsenal blueprints and to designer's specs, more disappointment. When I said I would pay extra for a DSA or wait for a Coonan, anguish and concern. They're not bad people, just too proud to get out of this mess. I have to say I am sympathetic and ready to do business with them when they are ready to take responsibility for this snafu and reach out to their customer base.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by AZMyrmidon
I called Entreprise today as I had purchased two of their receivers back in 2001 and have sat on them, biding my time to see what happened with legislation and the availability of parts. Well, since I take it their stuff is "hit and miss," I wanted to make sure someone was going to build on their stuff and that they'd be around. They found the notion funny that they'd be going under because of all this. I then reminded them that Winchester is gone and it stopped being funny. Turns out they are ready and raring and will build on about anything, even Centuries. I mentioned this exchange here to them and urged them to disavow the clown posing as attorney and say a few words to their prospective clientele here which would reflect just how professional an outfit they were. The lady I spoke with was conciliatory, as I am not at all ready to boycott and would prefer not to, but I would like to see them do the right thing here. I let them know that if they showed this type of class, they'd have my business and I will stand by that. They took my name and number and email addy and seem genuinely concerned as if they'd do something regarding this. I have to credit them for that, but I am still looking for a mea culpa.

Fortis!
AZ Myrmidon
When I mentioned DSA and Coonan, I sensed a certain disappointment. When I said DSAs were actually built on arsenal blueprints and to designer's specs, more disappointment. When I said I would pay extra for a DSA or wait for a Coonan, anguish and concern. They're not bad people, just too proud to get out of this mess. I have to say I am sympathetic and ready to do business with them when they are ready to take responsibility for this snafu and reach out to their customer base.

You're more forgiving that I am...

They have had plenty of time, if they cared...

I won't be buying anything from them...

But maybe that's just me...

Forrest