View Full Version : Technical: Condition of Surplus firearms (a buyer's guide)

December 05, 2002, 14:15
Consider this when shopping:

FACTORY NEW: All original parts; 100% original finish; in perfect condition in every respect, inside and out.

EXCELLENT: All original parts; over 80% original finish; sharp lettering, numerals and design on metal and wood; unmarred wood; fine bore.

FINE: All original parts; over 30% original finish; sharp lettering, numerals and design on metal and wood; minor marks in wood; good bore.

VERY GOOD: All original parts; none to 30% original finish; original metal surfaces smooth with all edges sharp; clear lettering, numerals and design on metal; wood slightly scratched or bruised; bore disregarded for collectors firearms.

GOOD: Some minor replacement parts; metal smoothly rusted or lightly pitted in places, cleaned or re-blued; principal letters, numerals and design on metal legible; wood refinished, scratched bruised or minor cracks repaired; in good working order.

FAIR: Some major parts replaced; minor replacement parts may be required; metal rusted, may be lightly pitted all over, vigorously cleaned or re-blued; rounded edges of metal and wood; principal lettering, numerals and design on metal partly obliterated; wood scratched, bruised, cracked or repaired where broken; in fair working order or can be easily repaired and placed in working order.

POOR: Major and minor parts replaced; major replacement parts required and extensive restoration needed; metal deeply pitted; principal lettering, numerals and design obliterated, wood badly scratched, bruised, cracked or broken; mechanically inoperative; generally undesirable as a collector's firearm.


NEW: Not previously sold at retail, in same condition as current factory production.

PERFECT: In New condition in every respect.

EXCELLENT: New condition, used but little, no noticeable marring of wood or metal, bluing perfect, (except at muzzle or sharp edges).

VERY GOOD: In perfect working condition, no appreciable wear on working surfaces, no corrosion or pitting, only minor surface dents or scratches.

GOOD: In safe working condition, minor wear on working surfaces, no broken parts, no corrosion or pitting that will interfere with proper functioning.

FAIR: In safe working condition but well worn, perhaps requiring replacement of minor parts or adjustments which should be indicated in advertisement, no rust, but may have corrosion pits which do not render article unsafe or inoperable.

December 05, 2002, 14:59

Nice post, this is a good guideline.

As long as an item isn't advertised by the seller as being in better condition than it really is, and the buyer doesn't have unrealistic expectations, there shouldn't be as many problems.


December 06, 2002, 10:05
as a rule I ALWAYS underrate anything I sell.
That way the buyer is always happy.
Not that I sell alot of guns.. mostly I just buy, and buy and buy :angel:

I kinda of wish that everyone else would follow the same rule. Then EVERYONE would be happy.

BTW Good post

December 06, 2002, 10:18
I want this thread on my self-search list. Therefore, I post here.

Thanks, Ted.

Hebrew Battle Rifle
December 06, 2002, 12:48
What Blag said.

And Thank You EMDII

January 06, 2003, 21:07
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Why didn't you put that that was humor?! I nearly died laughing!

Here is how it goes through the SGN~

New-only slightly beat
excellent - works
fine- fine, fine, I'll let you see it first
very good- stock broken in one place
good - bore rusted shut, stock broken in two places
fair- bore rusted shut and barrel bent, stock not included, but may have piece of fire wood thrown in on deal
poor - gun shaped lump of rust found near what was proven to be a firearm

Hope this REAL WORLD condition helps!:shades: