View Full Version : fals semi or auto concerns?
June 25, 2002, 16:06
the local shop i use in connecticut, who are major falsmiths tell me auto parts in lower don,t matter because all imported or manf. uppers have semi auto ejector blocks installed, rendering lower auto selector parts useless, they(the shop) pinout the auto selector on lower because if you sweep to this position, the gun acts like a manual cocker.
the question is can a new upper be fitted with an auto ejector block? which are available.
I need to see if the selector can be modified to only allow semi auto i.e tig any channels or chambers, as far as the fal is concerned if the mods negate accidental multiple firing, then it can,t be considered a machine gun, (a gunsmith could probably look at the selector switch and determine what mods can be done)
i,am not sure you can get a definite ruling from the atf, they seem to cloud the issues rather than resolve them.
as to M16 / AR15, what a crock, you still need an auto bolt carrier even with 16 trigger parts, but ruling is no 16 parts allowed , if they can get it to double tap, your screwed.
BEWARE, A LOT OF LOWER PARTS KITS (I.E. EBAY) ARE ACTUALLY M16 PARTS AND ARE USELESS TO ASSEMBLERS OF AR 15,S
THIS KITS SHOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE FROM CLASS 3 DEALERS, PISSED MY MONEY AWAY ON ONE OF THESE BEFORE I KNEW BETTER AND HAD TO REPLACE IT.
June 25, 2002, 16:53
The auto ejector block installed in a semi-auto receiver will still not make the rifle a full auto. The receiver must also be machined to accept the auto sear. As for the selector you can put a spot of weld in the full auto cut in the selector which should prevent the hammer follow through problem. Or, you can buy a new manufactured selector without the cut from DSA and it also has a little tab which prevents the selector from being rotated to the full auto position. Another choice is the US made pistol grips which do not have the relief cut in them for the selector to go to the FA position.
Keep everything legal. Building a selective fire rifle will certainly get your room and board paid courtesy of the Government and you will have such interesting neighbors.. Your local shop seems to be giving good advice but the ATF has to be the final word.
KB in CT
June 25, 2002, 17:45
Whats the name of the gunshop? I'm always looking for a new place to spend what little money I have. If you don't want to post their name then how about e-mailing it to me. Thanks.
June 25, 2002, 18:14
Thanks SCOUT762 for the info, I must have misunderstood the ejector block explaination the shop gave me, my mistake not theirs.
Since I have been informed that hesse receivers have auto ejector blocks w/o sear cut. on legal issues forum
just trying to keep it street legal !!!:rolleyes:
June 25, 2002, 18:51
Don't take anyone's word on anything! Get it from the BATF themselves! When you do, get it in writing with the person's name, date, and signiture. Cover Your Ass!!!
That said, I read at the ATF site that you can have a FA receiver with the FA ejector as long as you have the semi selector installed or filled in so it won't go back to the FA position, the auto sear removed, and the trigger blocked so it will go back only so far ( I'm not going to say how much so you'll look this information up yourself).
June 25, 2002, 19:27
Actually...someone has posted an ATF letter they recieved regarding this very question. I have also called and spoke to an Inspector at their DC facility and posed the same querry. According to ATF, the presence of a full-auto ejector block in a semi-auto upper receiver alone does NOT constitute an NFA weapon. The safety sear cannot be installed unless the upper receiver is cut for it.
Prior to that, acting on what I thought was "common sence", I purchased an FAC type-1 FAL receiver and paid the extra $50.00 for the installed semi-auto ejector block. It never occured to me that I could have used the FA ejector block that came with my kit. :mad:
June 25, 2002, 19:41
how about a link where you found all this info, you can get easily lost on the atf site.:confused:
June 25, 2002, 20:41
Originally posted by 63DH8
That said, I read at the ATF site that you can have a FA receiver with the FA ejector as long as you have the semi selector installed or filled in so it won't go back to the FA position, the auto sear removed, and the trigger blocked so it will go back only so far ( I'm not going to say how much so you'll look this information up yourself). [/B]
Yes on the ejector block, no on the sear-cut receiver.
The only non-NFA sear cut receivers are the exempted original Belgian FALs which came in with sear-cut receivers and semi-auto ejector blocks installed. According to the ATF, if you have one of those specifically-exempted original FALs, they're not considered machineguns as long as you don't install the safety sear, and it won't fire automatically.
On ANY other FAL type, if the receiver has been cut for a sear, it's a machinegun receiver, regardless of what parts are or are not installed. The ejector block doesn't matter, as long as the receiver's not sear-cut.
June 26, 2002, 01:36
If you are worried about double taps then file the rear of the firing pin down a little. This will insure that it will not fire out of battery.
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