View Full Version : whats your favorite 223 fighting rifle and why

June 23, 2002, 20:43
i use the words fighting rifle to avoid the whole MBR / AW discussion as i never expect to do any fighting with it but figure that covers it'reason for being.. i have setteled on the FNC. it uses nato 223 mags commonly availible, is the most reliable of the 223s in my (admittidly limeted) experiance and is accurate enough for my needs. pretty tough and handy little bugger too.now i know most here favor the 308 and i do myself but i figure to live in the USA and not have a 223 availible is, well not practicle.just curious to see if it is going to be an AR landslide.

June 23, 2002, 20:50
.223? I'll go w/ the AR family for 'accessorizing' ability to tailor it to individual needs. I would give the nod to the FNC or the 5.56 Galil for durability/reliability, but parts/pieces can be pricier and not as much (any?) accessorization (my new word ;) ). Obviously I prefer the FAL for serious social situations.


June 23, 2002, 21:05
AR-15. I had an HK-93 for a while but prefer the AR. My favorite incarnation is the SP-1 version without all the weight adding doodads and with the 1/12 twist barrel. Light, accurate, reliable, and tough enough.

June 23, 2002, 21:17

I have one and they are schweeeeet!

Upside Down @ 100 MPH
June 23, 2002, 21:19
I like the AR15 also for a .223 weapon. I shot my H-Bar w/Jewell trigger today to get some offhand practice in. It drills 'em right in there. It is also as reliable as I could ever want it to be. I've never had it jam on me...ever. I have a handload that consists of the Winchester 64 grain PP bullet and Vihtavuori N-133 gunpowder. It has almost no flash when tested at night. If anyone ever kicks my door in this is the rifle I'll meet them with.

June 23, 2002, 21:21
AR180/18.Great gas system,folding stock easy to keep clean and functioning,fairly light.

June 23, 2002, 21:29
I'll add another vote for the A1 version of the AR15. I've fired at least 7000 rounds through mine. The only problems I've had were from some Russian TCW ammo, where almost all the primers blew out.

I shoot about 1000 rounds a year in it, and clean it once or twice during that time.

I can also shoot it the best.

I had always thought it was by far the best rifle overall, but 2 months ago I got my first FAL and ..... help! I'm addicted.

June 23, 2002, 21:30
As its about the only .223 that I have any experience with, I'll go with the AR15. Colt preban variety.

Did have an HK 93 for a short time but felt it wasn't quit right to me.

June 23, 2002, 21:50
Favorite .223?

Never even shot one ..... probably will never even own one and I like it that way :D

June 23, 2002, 22:20
Best .223? Well if I was going to get a .223 it wpuld be a FNC.
The reason is better over-all user-ability then all others.and plus it has that FN quality to boot.:D

Well thats my piece.

"Its easier to apologize, then ask premission".

June 23, 2002, 22:29
RROTZ:NICE AD!!............................I`M DROOLING

223 sure narrows it down and i`ve never fought with firearms period so.........i`ll take the sar-? whatever it is;)

June 23, 2002, 22:34
Vepr II in .223 with 30 round E German bakelites and Robinson followers.
Works with any ammo. Works clean or dirty like about any AK. I believe it will function under about any conditions I might encounter with little or no care if circumstances required. It will probably outlast my AR and me by a couple generations.
Heavy SOB though and not as accurate as a good AR.

June 23, 2002, 22:37
Daewoo AR-100, very accurate, reliable, use's M-16 mags, adjustable gas sytem, side folder stock.

June 23, 2002, 22:38

June 23, 2002, 22:42
AR-15 SP1 because parts are plentiful and any moron can repair it if needed. I like the light weight and my Elbit Falcon sight works on it the way the Israelis intended it to.

I cut mine to 16" and rethreaded the barrel more than a dozen years ago and have never had a problem; not even with Norinco ammo.

The Other Chris

Mr pogo
June 23, 2002, 23:16
Originally posted by RRotz

I have one and they are schweeeeet!

And Ive had mine longer than you neener neener :D

June 23, 2002, 23:27
AR-15/M-16 family.

I have an older Colt sporter I bought new about 1984-85 and have shot it a lot. It is an excellent light rifle, ergonomic, reliable, accurate.

My department issued me an ex-U.S. Army M-16 three years ago. It looks brand new. I like it just about as well, although the trigger is better on my AR, to be expected as it no doubt has been shot a lot more.

Still waiting for a non-ammo stoppage on either weapon.

June 23, 2002, 23:36
My .223 is a preban Eagle Arms/Bushmaster M4gery with OKO red dot site. I've added an ARMS flip up rear site since the pic. Like it because its a light little carbine, reliable and fast on target with the OKO. Better than a shotgun as a home defense weapon. Also parts are cheap and accessories are available to configure any way you want 'em.

June 24, 2002, 00:01
TheOtherChris said
AR-15 SP1 because parts are plentiful and any moron can repair it if needed.

Hey... I resemble that remark :p

Upside Down @ 100 MPH
June 24, 2002, 00:35
Here is my sniper AR15: http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=gregrrr&album_id=62841&image_id=12&courtesy=1

........and it shoots little bitty groups like this: http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=gregrrr&album_id=62841&image_id=11&courtesy=1

June 24, 2002, 01:24
I like my AR70 then FNC for handling characteristics and accuracy, but b/c of parts I'd have to go with the AR-15A2.

June 24, 2002, 02:09
Originally posted by Mr pogo

And Ive had mine longer than you neener neener :D

I think I've had mine for only 2 1/2 years, I'm never going to sell it! I have a brand new FN wood buttstock w/ trapdoor buttplate from Roland to put on it. What kind of optics is that on top? I was thinking of getting a Kobra for it.

June 24, 2002, 08:21
My favorite of those I've owned/own would have to be the
SIG550. Outstanding in every manner. The best in reliability,
accuracy, craftsmanship, and that oh so sweet trigger. Quick
detach scope mount is very slick. The only downfall would be
the proprietary mags.

June 24, 2002, 09:38
For me it's going to have to be the AR series rifles. You can make them any configuration you want them.
When I was in the service we carried M14's at first then were issued M16's. The M16 was light and you could carry a lot of ammo in comparison to the M14. But I was always suspect of the power the 5.56 had vs. 7.62.
My son in law had one of the FNC's and said he loved it. But he ended up selling it. (guess he didn't love it that much). I think that most of the rifles that were mentioned in previous are good. But the AR's are best all round. Just my nickles worth........;)

June 24, 2002, 09:42
Another vote for Daewoo AR100 the best of the AR15 and AK and it takes AR mags.

John Randolph
June 24, 2002, 09:53
Actually I am a very big fan of the AR. It's very accurate, and as long as you clean it regularly between firefights (jk) pretty reliable.

At the range the other day though I saw a guy with the new AR-180. This weapon is simply awesome :D

Brand new out of the box, the guy didn't have a misfire the whole time he was on the range. Takes M-16 mags, and has a closed gas system that won't foul the chamber. He said Armalite has also fixed the weld problem from the earlier version of the stamped steel rifle. I am seriously considering a purchase. They did a good write-up on it recently in a gun mag that I can't remember.

June 24, 2002, 11:04
SIG 550 and AR-15 too close to call.

June 24, 2002, 11:12
I've generally got an M16A1 configuration AR15 around, and it'll do fine for a lot of my needs, particularly with an M203 added on beneath. an extra upper with 16-inch CAR15 upper with a 1:9 twist handles any chores should greennose ammo be available when 55-grain M193 ball or JHP isn't, And I'm quite familiar with both the blessings and shortcomings of the M16 family of weapons, having worn out or combat-lossed four of them between 1968 and 1971.

But it's not my first choice, if I get my druthers of anything at all that's available. that'd include a FAMAS G2 as an individual rifle or carbine, or a Robinson Arms M96 in the Bren configuration if something heaviier is required... and either an Israeli *Negev* SAW or one of the Spanish M682 AMELI SAWs would do fine if I just HAD to haul a beltfed.

For a carebine or aircraft/armored vehicle bailout weapon, the FAMAS would work, but if something shorter and handier was required, a cutdown Galil *Glilon* carbine as carried by Israel's blackhatted tankists would do fine. If I can't pick up an original Galil, a SAR-3 rearranged into the Glilon configuration would likely do, or something involving a shortened Armalite AR180b would likely do.



Israeli soldier cleans his rifle in the outskirts of Bethlehem June 24, 2002. Israeli armored units rumbled into Ramallah on Monday and surrounded the headquarters of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the army said it was calling up a brigade of reservists under emergency mobilization orders as part of what it was described as a war against terrorism. REUTERS/Nir Elias

June 24, 2002, 13:15
My pick is my Bushmaster AR. 16" fluted bbl., new style coll stk (the 4 psn w/ the sling swivel), and soft Ergo Grip.
It just flat works, is accurate enough for my needs, and parts (none have been needed), mags etc. are a dime a dozen, relatively speaking.
If you WANT an FNC, that should be enough. No need to justify it. :D

June 24, 2002, 13:40
M96 by Robinson( Stoner look-alike).
Like the ergonomics, accuracy, clean bolt, and mag availability. Plus, it looks cool!

June 24, 2002, 14:19
Milled Bulgarian K-101. It goes bang everytime the trigger is pulled and it is very accurate. And the legendary reliability of the AK-47http://www.icehouse.net/blfuller/k101_1.jpg

June 24, 2002, 15:38

I like!!!!! But see'n how I don't have one......Guess I'll have'tah settle for what I do.......My AR15a2 would be my pick.....but the SAR3 is a close second!!!! Wonder how I can get the 'ole SAR 3 look'n like that thar Galil?:D

June 24, 2002, 20:52
I wish I had a SAW. MINIME OH YA baby.

Sayeret Tzanhanim
June 24, 2002, 21:08
Verrry nice. If you don't mind me asking, where did you get it and how much?

June 25, 2002, 08:46
Sayeret Tzanhanim,
I got mine about 3-4 years ago direct from Arsenal USA. They were $600. Everyone was poo-pooing them because there were not any 5.56x45mm (.223) mags specifically for them. All that was available were the German AK-74 5.45x39mm mags and they fit but were unreliable using .223 ammo. I belive K-VAR had Bulgarian 5.56x45 mags available at the time but they were $69 or so each. So I was able to fit the Weiger mags and they worked. These were available for $20 from Inter-Ordnance, much less and worked fine. Then the .223 Bulgarians became available for $13, needless to say I bought a few. Here's a pic with the Weiger mag:


June 25, 2002, 16:30

My choice would have to be the Galil in 5.56mm.

Sure, they do have a few drawbacks:
1. Weight
2. Lack of accessories/tricks

But, their phenomenal reliability and excellent accuracy sure do make up for it.

My dream gun would be a Galil SAR with a 1-9" twist.

Enjoy the picture.... wish they were still mine.

Be safe and be happy,

Joel N.
"Yog" (in Alaska)
"Molon Labe!"

flight 556
June 25, 2002, 18:00
Money no object:

1 sig 550
2 aug
3 fnc

Money a problem

1 daewoo dr200
2 armalite ar180
3 colt sp1

June 26, 2002, 02:50
Well, This is a tough call. I have owned and liked quite a few 5.56 rifles. But my personal fav is the AUG A2 (USR). Short, reliable, quick change barrels, not overly light or heavy, accurate, and very pleasant to shoot. Oh yea and cool!

June 26, 2002, 08:26
If I were to be limited to a mousegun, then I'll take my Galil AR. I have a Valmet M76 that I also favor, except that I only have 3 Valmet mags for it.

Not all Valmets work with Galil mags. I wouldn't trust my life on that particular aspect.

June 27, 2002, 14:45
*Say, pal? Can I borrow your Glilon...?*

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020623/capt.1024855769.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl114 .jpg

Israeli soldiers scan the area around the Har Homah settlement from the Bethlehem checkpoint in Jerusalem Sunday, June 23, 2002. Israel launched "Operation Determined Path " after a pair of Palestinian suicide bombings in Jerusalem last week killed 26 Israeli civilians. (AP Photo/John Moore)

June 28, 2002, 04:19
I want some thing like this. Just make it full auto and give me a beta c mag:D :D
Kinda like 3000 miles to Graceland.
If I cant have that I will take a saw.


What is the name of the .308 saw? I would love to shoot that:D :D