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Invictus77
December 18, 2017, 17:28
Did FN make an aluminum lower?
If not, who did other than DSA?
Value if it is actually FN?

TIA !

meltblown
December 18, 2017, 17:32
Yep sorta but it's referred to as an alloy lower. Made out of hardtoobtainium. They aren't cheap.

Invictus77
December 18, 2017, 17:38
https://i.imgur.com/S88CNVO.jpg

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 17:56
FN made several styles of Hidiminium lowers. The para you have is worth ~$350 stripped.

Invictus77
December 18, 2017, 17:58
FN made several styles of Hidiminium lowers. The para you have is worth ~$350 stripped.

Do you mean for just the stripped lower? No para stock?

Not mine BTW - I was helping out a friend having issues with the riFAL.

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 18:07
Yeah, stripped. No stock no knuckle. If you get it reanodized it could be worth more.

Trypcil
December 18, 2017, 18:09
So is it HI-gh DU-ty alu-MINIUM, or "Hidiminium" - perhaps a letter difference and it all goes to FN 'L! ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiduminium

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Hiduminium&item_type=topic

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=FN%20FAL&uid=1575

meltblown
December 18, 2017, 18:20
Your original post didn't mention para. So yeah it's worth nice coin. That's a mutt. AKA diamond in a goats ass for the lower

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 20:07
So is it HI-gh DU-ty alu-MINIUM, or "Hidiminium" - perhaps a letter difference and it all goes to FN 'L! ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiduminium

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Hiduminium&item_type=topic

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=FN%20FAL&uid=1575

I think it has do with the translation, if it was from French, Dutch or Flemish

In the US it is Hiduminium.

Crap gets lost in translation all the time. I'm doing a project for Algeria and the No feet has to be changed to French. Non = No, Pieds = Feet. NOPE! The correct translation is Pas De Pieds

meltblown
December 18, 2017, 20:24
I think it has do with the translation, if it was from French, Dutch or Flemish

In the US it is Hiduminium.

Crap gets lost in translation all the time. I'm doing a project for Algeria and the No feet has to be changed to French. Non = No, Pieds = Feet. NOPE! The correct translation is Pas De Pieds

That lower could spawn.


Another money pit. What's the deal with that folder?

Trypcil
December 18, 2017, 20:33
. I straighten picture frames as well!:facepalm: .
The Magic of Words, and the possible myths they can evoke, it's all in the Spelling! The truth that sets us free:- is that 'it's' an Ally' alloy with more 'stuff' init, and some heat treating, often forged, is good for Pistons, and Air frames! Hi-tech inits day(pre ww2), now via semantic transmorghification, and literal transmutation, into the other rare Earth element:- Unobtainium, this of course is hard to detect, as it might just be Hidiniminium, of another nature! :|

meltblown
December 18, 2017, 20:53
. I straighten picture frames as well!:facepalm: .
The Magic of Words, and the possible myths they can evoke, it's all in the Spelling! The truth that sets us free:- is that 'it's' an Ally' alloy with more 'stuff' init, and some heat treating, often forged, is good for Pistons, and Air frames! Hi-tech inits day(pre ww2), now via semantic transmorghification, and literal transmutation, into the other rare Earth element:- Unobtainium, this of course is hard to detect, as it might just be Hidiniminium, of another nature! :|

So what's it worth bright guy?;)

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 21:05
That lower could spawn.


Another money pit. What's the deal with that folder?

Folder knuckle/hinge looks like FN from the machining, but missing the sling swivel. Need a picture of the stock assembly to judge it.

Invictus77
December 18, 2017, 21:16
Folder knuckle/hinge looks like FN from the machining, but missing the sling swivel. Need a picture of the stock assembly to judge it.

I did not take good pix, just a couple of snaps on my bench and then thought about this question later. Here is another photo, but also maybe the owner will chime in and have more. I sent him a link to this thread.

https://i.imgur.com/45KOy8L.jpg

mp
December 18, 2017, 21:38
Buttstock is FN. it's a M249 SAW buttstock.

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 22:19
Yeah, FN FAL alloy lower, FN FAL hinge, M249 stock.

So it's all good.

Just need a swivel.

ElTigre
December 18, 2017, 22:57
I'm the owner of this riFAL. I do have more pics and will hunt them down tomorrow. This is great, I'm a complete and utter noob when it comes to FALs. I'm really appreciating all of this input. More pics will come in the morning. If you need anything specific, then please let me know and I will do my best to accommodate.

308/223shooter
December 18, 2017, 23:09
MAG FOUL!

SAFN49
December 18, 2017, 23:34
If the parts that are in the white have been stripped and not sandblasted you are good to go. They can be reanodized with no problem. If they have been sandblasted it will remove all the original machine/forming marks and they will be worth less. Need some close ups of the surface.

ElTigre
December 18, 2017, 23:52
If the parts that are in the white have been stripped and not sandblasted you are good to go. They can be reanodized with no problem. If they have been sandblasted it will remove all the original machine/forming marks and they will be worth less. Need some close ups of the surface.

I'll look and see if I have any. If not, I'll.snap some for you. I'm guessing it was just stripped. I'm.plannin on keeping it, so I may just leave it. Or I may reanodize it. Or I may cerakote it. I definitely don't want to do anything to lower the value of the gun.

The Chief
December 18, 2017, 23:59
Since nobody else is gonna say it...what's up with the top cover??? Never seen anything like that...it's a shortened cover with exposed carrier, but I see no stripper clip attachment, and there appears to be some form of reinforcement added there....AND it's apparently a para cover (obviously). So I am wondering, is it original and does it have the little 'nib' on the ass-end? And does it have 'ears' like an L1 top cover? Does the lower have the slot in the recoil plate? Also, what's going on with the pistol grip?? Is that a cut-away thumbhole and, if so, how the hell is it attached?? Details, man, more details!

SAFN49
December 19, 2017, 00:11
I'll look and see if I have any. If not, I'll.snap some for you. I'm guessing it was just stripped. I'm.plannin on keeping it, so I may just leave it. Or I may reanodize it. Or I may cerakote it. I definitely don't want to do anything to lower the value of the gun.

The value is not in the complete rifle, but of the individual parts. I can post pics of the original non-sandblasted alloy receiver manufacturing marks

gunners
December 19, 2017, 10:02
I am seconding Art. What is that top cover?

Nuttz
December 19, 2017, 10:18
...and that pistol grip has some serious angle!!!

ElTigre
December 19, 2017, 10:35
I can't post attachments yet so I'm gonna send the pics to Invictus and let him post the pic. I can say that the pistol grip is held on with screws. I don't know if it was originally a thumbhole that got cut off, or if this is just a homemade piece. My intent was to just leave it there until it splintered out completely. And yeah, the grip angle.is a little different on it. Lol.

ElTigre
December 19, 2017, 10:39
Does the FN manufacturers mark look like a snowflake? Or a star perhaps? Cuz both the lower and the bolt have the same.proof mark.

SAFN49
December 19, 2017, 11:09
Some of the FN alloy lowers had the * and some didn't.

There are at least 3 different variations of the alloy lowers I know of, possibly more.

ElTigre
December 19, 2017, 11:14
Yep, the asterisk is what it is. I'll get another pic out to Invictus later today. But the asterisk is on the left side of the receiver and the underside of the bolt.

Invictus77
December 19, 2017, 12:50
Tiger, you need to open an account at imgur.com to post photos here. It's pretty straightforward after you do it a time or two. Nonetheless, here are the pix you sent me this morning.

https://i.imgur.com/CDhwghW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A5yS4Zg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kEvA4Ta.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Sywyxkf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/O8kIcln.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xyw50fl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rOu1yh9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UtsEahN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4odhQVB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CLTFcei.jpg

ElTigre
December 19, 2017, 13:10
Duly noted. I'll get to that later today. Thanks man.

Nuttz
December 19, 2017, 13:16
Bubba has been busy! :biggrin:

Invictus77
December 19, 2017, 13:33
Bubba has been busy! :biggrin:

The riFAL actually runs like a top. The problem (actually a couple problems) was with the sights which we figured out, but ran out of time to go back down to the range and finalize yesterday.

Other than the PG which appears to be whittled out of a broken shipping pallet, the rest seems to be an interesting collection of various "good" parts that do indeed function together.

Certainly worth more as parts than as a whole, but for his particular purpose, it is or can be a nice stick !

ElTigre
December 19, 2017, 14:49
Bubba has been busy! :biggrin:

Hopefully gonna rock the RnG scene too.

The Chief
December 19, 2017, 20:56
...the PG which appears to be whittled out of a broken shipping pallet...

If owner wants a decent StG pistol grip, I've got one I'll sell...I just don't have a trigger guard...

Invictus77
December 19, 2017, 21:10
If owner wants a decent StG pistol grip, I've got one I'll sell...I just don't have a trigger guard...

We ran out of time yesterday to really check it out and so I don't know for certain, but my first thought on the PG was that the lower was neutered and needs a stud replacement before a standard PG could be installed.

I could be wrong, but.....

jam762
December 19, 2017, 21:55
Is that a broad arrow below & to the left of the A? Its probably just scratches but it looks like a broad arrow pointing toward the A. :spy:
The bolt is Brit.

SAFN49
December 19, 2017, 23:07
It has been heavily sandblasted so the value will be a bit lower, and get the inch parts off the metric riFal!!! :biggrin:

hkshooter
December 19, 2017, 23:45
That poor rifle. Please rescue the thing.

The Chief
December 20, 2017, 02:39
Definitely DSA top cover...given the way they put them together, it likely wasn't that hard to get the clip guide off...

You sure about that? I never saw any DSA top cover that had the "nib" on the end plate...the ones I've seen were all just flat, so they would fit any modified 'standard' lower, or their own para lowers that--if memory serves--don't have that vertical cutout the OEM para lowers have on the recoil plate. Just a curiosity...

ElTigre
December 20, 2017, 09:27
Is that a broad arrow below & to the left of the A? Its probably just scratches but it looks like a broad arrow pointing toward the A. :spy:
The bolt is Brit.

No broad arrow to the left of the A. Just marks from.The stripping process.

The Chief
December 20, 2017, 20:14
There was a time when they were available with or without the locator nib. The interior guide rod lacks the spring retainer and lookit' the nasty spot (DSA) welds. The factory covers were also never made in a "stripper clip" loading or shortened version as seen in this amalgam. It's a mess for sure, but whatever makes yer' heart go pitter-pat.

I'm always on the lookout to learn stuff, so that's good info to have, many thanks good sir. I'm a fan of using OEM parts to the greatest extent possible, but I'm not too well-versed in the early DSA bits n pieces.