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lelandEOD
December 14, 2017, 19:02
It appears to be FN made but has these Hebrew markings on the magwell?

Figured someone would be able to shed some light on it...



https://i.imgur.com/UIQSvOKh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/U15in5jh.jpg

gentlemanjoe
December 14, 2017, 19:10
Very interesting. How bout a photo of the other side and from the top.:wink:

lelandEOD
December 14, 2017, 19:15
It took me a second to get what you were after... Yes, it is (was) sear cut.

As of lunch time, whole thing has been cut as it is (was) contraband. A buddy of mine (also a 07/SOT) sent me the photos this morning. I'm not sure how he ended up with it, but he knew it had to be destroyed.

I'm just curious about some of the history on these receivers and figured this would be the best place to ask.

VALMET
December 14, 2017, 19:28
Looks like Type 2- Mid-late 1960s FN mfg for Israel to me.

01BIRDDOG
December 14, 2017, 19:47
Good God what a beautiful receiver............Kinda like the few NM M-14 that made it into civilian hands only better.

Thorack
December 14, 2017, 19:50
Yep,

I saw a pallet of those in Germany about 15 years ago. There were also a few G-1 receivers mixed in. Israeli light and HB receivers, some of the ones I saw were unserialed.

Thorack

Capt D
December 14, 2017, 20:02
I'LL TAKE IT!!!

:omgonoz:

fal fiend
December 14, 2017, 20:22
Nice piece of fal history there / for sure.

EinheitElf
December 14, 2017, 23:12
Well.......could a semi ejector block have been installed and VIOLA! Semi auto only....the Izzy marks having been done by an engraver:]:wink: Just hypothesizing..

gunplumber
December 15, 2017, 09:32
Or if you must destroy it, cut it lengthwise with a band saw for mounting with markings intact.

01BIRDDOG
December 15, 2017, 13:35
Or if you must destroy it, cut it lengthwise with a band saw for mounting with markings intact.

So they have to be cut like five places, with a torch on a vertical line to make sure they are dead????? Such a painful death for a once proud receiver.

lelandEOD
December 15, 2017, 13:44
Unfortunately, due to an ATF's ruling, it had to be destroyed. He couldn't even register it as a postie.

So, it was cut length-wise and the left side chopped into small bits. The right side will be saved for display.

https://i.imgur.com/XeiZf2ch.jpg

:(

warsteiner_1970
December 15, 2017, 13:52
I just puked a little....:puketrade:

gunplumber
December 15, 2017, 14:02
So they have to be cut like five places, with a torch on a vertical line to make sure they are dead????? Such a painful death for a once proud receiver.

There is no "rule" only a recommendation - and the published recommendation for the FAL includes cutting the lower (?!).

ATF lost on their sawcut vs torchcut case with Pacific West Arms

82ndRecon
December 15, 2017, 14:03
What a F***ing crying shame. That was painful. A thing of beauty destroyed.

gunplumber
December 15, 2017, 14:04
So, it was cut length-wise and the left side chopped into small bits. The right side will be saved for display.
:(

Awesome, maybe cement it into piece of tan flagstone

mp
December 15, 2017, 14:13
Damn. Single saw cut, and then a reweld into a postie is how I would have handled that piece of art were I an 07/SOT.

lelandEOD
December 15, 2017, 14:39
Damn. Single saw cut, and then a reweld into a postie is how I would have handled that piece of art were I an 07/SOT.

Not worth the hassle or potential for safety issues. It's much easier to machine a good semi receiver for the sear cut. Having Izzy markings wouldn't add value to a dealer or gov't agency - us FAL geeks are the only ones who care. I just think it's a shame that manufacturers are forbidden to register receivers that were caught up in the ATF's continual rule-making, re-interpreting, and re-defining law.

Fallschirmjaeger
December 15, 2017, 20:47
I saw a receiver just like that on a fully assembled rifle at a gunshow last month--a private seller, not an FFL. I was in the market for another FAL since I stupidly sold my FN 50.00 years ago. I had never seen one like the one at the show, but saw that it was Belgian, which piqued my interest. The guy wanted $2,500 which seemed awfully reasonable for a Belgian receiver FAL (albeit rest of the rifle looked like an assemblage of Franken-parts), so I got the guy's number, went home and Googled the crap out of the markings. It didn't take long for me to figure out that the receiver must have been sear-cut. I did not give the guy a call back, but I wonder if he still has it......:bow:

Ghost
December 15, 2017, 22:11
I had a guy try and sell me one while in line at my local ffl. He saw me picking up 3 DSA receivers, and started his sales pitch on his receiver. He didn't have it with him but described it in detail, including that it was sear cut.
At the time I dismissed him as, either just full of it, or an ATF agent fishing.
Needless to say I dismissed my self from him as soon as possible.

4markk
December 15, 2017, 22:35
I saw a receiver just like that on a fully assembled rifle at a gunshow last month--a private seller, not an FFL. I was in the market for another FAL since I stupidly sold my FN 50.00 years ago. I had never seen one like the one at the show, but saw that it was Belgian, which piqued my interest. The guy wanted $2,500 which seemed awfully reasonable for a Belgian receiver FAL (albeit rest of the rifle looked like an assemblage of Franken-parts), so I got the guy's number, went home and Googled the crap out of the markings. It didn't take long for me to figure out that the receiver must have been sear-cut. I did not give the guy a call back, but I wonder if he still has it......:bow:

If you are talking the show in Chantilly. He had two .... one was a sear cut Steyr import (semi-ejector block) that, IIRC he wanted $3,500 for and the other was a non-sear cut for $2,500. I'll ask the Mrs when she gets back if she remembers the price.

Fallschirmjaeger
December 16, 2017, 08:08
If you are talking the show in Chantilly. He had two .... one was a sear cut Steyr import (semi-ejector block) that, IIRC he wanted $3,500 for and the other was a non-sear cut for $2,500. I'll ask the Mrs when she gets back if she remembers the price.

This was a show in Indy. I've moved since I registered and I guess I need to update my profiles.

I'm just getting back into the FAL world, and was far from an expert even when I had my FN. But are ANY of the FN-manufactured FAL receivers with Israeli military markings like the one in OP's pics NOT sear cut? I didn't think to get a better look at the time, but wish I had. I did think to look for import marks (my old one was a Gun South) but saw none.

hkshooter
December 16, 2017, 08:13
This was a show in Indy. I've moved since I registered and I guess I need to update my profiles.

I'm just getting back into the FAL world, and was far from an expert even when I had my FN. But are ANY of the FN-manufactured FAL receivers with Israeli military markings like the one in OP's pics NOT sear cut? I didn't think to get a better look at the time, but wish I had.

Indy, eh? I used to haunt the local shows and there was one particular well dressed, obese, loud mouthed, bald guy who had the same three illegal FAL rifles at every show I went to. Quick glance would find 922r violations and these were always priced similar to the above.
The guy was a know-it-all ass bag and I always figured he was on the ATF payroll, trying to bait in some unsuspecting show goer. Which means I avoided him at all costs.

4markk
December 16, 2017, 09:07
The guy was a know-it-all ass bag and I always figured he was on the ATF payroll, trying to bait in some unsuspecting show goer. Which means I avoided him at all costs.

Except, if the ATF set up a table at a normal commercial venue to sell contraband items would be the very definition of entrapment. It is illegal on its face. Not even a first year agent would be that stupid or waste their time in such a foolhardy scheme.

It would be different if you were walking around the show saying you wanted to buy contraband and the agent pulled a piece from under the table and offered it to you. That would not be entrapment.

gska3873
December 16, 2017, 17:16
Indy, eh? I used to haunt the local shows and there was one particular well dressed, obese, loud mouthed, bald guy who had the same three illegal FAL rifles at every show I went to. Quick glance would find 922r violations and these were always priced similar to the above.
The guy was a know-it-all ass bag and I always figured he was on the ATF payroll, trying to bait in some unsuspecting show goer. Which means I avoided him at all costs.

Did he occasionally have some 1919's he built as well? Red table cloths on his tables maybe????

Fallschirmjaeger
December 16, 2017, 19:08
Indy, eh? I used to haunt the local shows and there was one particular well dressed, obese, loud mouthed, bald guy who had the same three illegal FAL rifles at every show I went to. Quick glance would find 922r violations and these were always priced similar to the above.
The guy was a know-it-all ass bag and I always figured he was on the ATF payroll, trying to bait in some unsuspecting show goer. Which means I avoided him at all costs.

This guy didn't meet that description and just had the one FAL.

But having been to plenty of gun shows in Indy, I hate to say it, but I've run across a number of dudes that would meet your description, unfortunately!

Fallschirmjaeger
December 16, 2017, 19:32
Indy, eh? I used to haunt the local shows and there was one particular well dressed, obese, loud mouthed, bald guy who had the same three illegal FAL rifles at every show I went to. Quick glance would find 922r violations and these were always priced similar to the above.
The guy was a know-it-all ass bag and I always figured he was on the ATF payroll, trying to bait in some unsuspecting show goer. Which means I avoided him at all costs.

This guy didn't meet that description and just had the one FAL.

But having been to plenty of gun shows in Indy, I hate to say it, but I've run across a number of dudes that would meet your description, unfortunately!

kalashniKEV
December 17, 2017, 13:11
...the same three illegal FAL rifles at every show I went to. Quick glance would find 922r violations and these were always priced similar to the above.

922(r) violations, and constructive possession, and engraving fouls... oh, my!

Except, if the ATF set up a table at a normal commercial venue to sell contraband items would be the very definition of entrapment. It is illegal on its face. Not even a first year agent would be that stupid or waste their time in such a foolhardy scheme.

Ummm... kind of like if the FBI operated a child porn server to see who would DL?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-website-sharing-thousands-child-porn-images/79108346/

4markk
December 17, 2017, 14:11
Ummm... kind of like if the FBI operated a child porn server to see who would DL?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-website-sharing-thousands-child-porn-images/79108346/

That's like comparing Apples to Dump Trucks. The FBI did NOT set up the site. Nor did they allow new users to the site. They merely left a confiscated illegitimate site up temporarily to identify those that were already taking part in illegal activity. The people they were waiting for knew they were entering into an illegal activity.

Please explain how that remotely resembles setting up a table in a legitimate commercial venue to sell contraband to unsuspecting patrons.

A parallel would be if the FBI took over a known contraband dealer and left it open waiting for people to come in and ask for contraband. They are knowingly entering into illegal activity.

kalashniKEV
December 18, 2017, 19:19
The people they were waiting for knew they were entering into an illegal activity.

Homey, you sure like to talk about the law a lot for a fella who don't know much.

FBI was providing Ping, Power, and Pipe in order to traffic child porn. They waited-and-hoped that one of their non- "new users" who were "already taking part in illegal activity" would harm a child and upload the evidence.

If it's "Apples to Dump Trucks" as you say, it's because buying a sear cut FAL receiver is not even a crime, nor has anyone ever been successfully prosecuted or even tried for such a thing...

4markk
December 18, 2017, 21:10
Homey, you sure like to talk about the law a lot for a fella who don't know much.

FBI was providing Ping, Power, and Pipe in order to traffic child porn. They waited-and-hoped that one of their non- "new users" who were "already taking part in illegal activity" would harm a child and upload the evidence.

If it's "Apples to Dump Trucks" as you say, it's because buying a sear cut FAL receiver is not even a crime, nor has anyone ever been successfully prosecuted or even tried for such a thing...

Cupcake, I see a lot of gibberish here. Were you trying to complete a thought??? Well you failed. Me thinks you be smoking something goooooooooodd in that ping power pipe of yours.

If the FBI's use of the confiscated website was illegal, please tell us how many charges were dismissed. How many of the accused walked free because of it? This was your example, please educate us with your knowledge of jurisprudence.

While you are at, please explain the difference between a "sear cut" FAL and an unregistered FAL "machinegun" as defined by NFA (as amended). This should be child's play for a self proclaimed master legal theorist like yourself.