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lowIQ
December 12, 2017, 21:51
Very glad to report that I just scored my very first Fal. It's a DSA SA58 Congo (18" barrel) model . The seller claims it has a forged upper receiver but I honestly have no idea if it does. Truth be told i won't be too disappointed if it doesn't. The rifle is in excellent condition. According to DSA data, the serial number shows it was manufactured in Oct/2012.

For the last 3 years I'd been patiently waiting for a great deal on a 18" Para but I just never came across one. I have a deep lust for a Para so I'm definitely considering the conversion kit from DSA, but I'll wait to put a few hundred rounds down the range before I commit.

If you guyz see anything suspicious in the photos, please feel free to comment. I'm a newby but I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can from the Forum.

For now, here's a few recent pics of the rifle..:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20SA58/af79e77e-4abd-4323-a463-8daa16db0192_zpsaemzs9cp.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20SA58/af79e77e-4abd-4323-a463-8daa16db0192_zpsaemzs9cp.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20SA58/f0928b1c-4b65-4fb8-b146-1131b1f5505e_zps6emaz5ox.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20SA58/f0928b1c-4b65-4fb8-b146-1131b1f5505e_zps6emaz5ox.jpg.html)

cavegeo
December 12, 2017, 21:55
Nice looking rifle.:fal:

steveTA1983
December 12, 2017, 22:58
DSxxxxxxx serial equals forged

DSAxxxxxxx serial equals cast

The Chief
December 12, 2017, 23:08
DSxxxxxxx serial equals forged

DSAxxxxxxx serial equals cast

DS = forged yes
DSA = some are forged, many not so much (have to call DSA with serial# to verify)

lowIQ
December 12, 2017, 23:19
Regarding the receiver, I'll call and verify with DSA. My rifle was manufactured in 2012 and has a S# in the low 25K.

Numerous searches tonight have uncovered information suggesting DSA started manufacturing Cast receivers with serial #s in the 29K mark, which were first fabricated and entered the stream of commerce in late 2014 to mid 2015 time frame.

Of course, the info was obtained from the internet. I'm certainly not suggesting this is factual data.

No big whoop if mine turns out to be Cast. :) I'm here to learn and to share my experience with my acute onset of Congolitis.

Ghost
December 12, 2017, 23:47
I'm betting on cast. My reason is the DSA logo on the ejection side. I noticed that they changed from no outline, to fine line double wall logo, then on the cast one I have it is a much thicker heavier double walled logo, like pi tured here. If you k ow what to look for you can find the signs ofcasting in some places,such as th iside of the mag well, helps to have a known forged for comparison if you dont know what to look for.

lowIQ
December 12, 2017, 23:58
Roger that, Ghost.

Heck, at this point I just want the darn stick to run well. Everything else is just gravy.

EinheitElf
December 13, 2017, 01:25
Looks nice!

Couple things-
Izzy mag release
Stg gas plug
Izzy(?) pivot screw assy
Semi auto selector,has the 'beak'
Looks to be a bipod cut barrel...
:whiskey:

lew
December 13, 2017, 11:53
Looks nice!

Couple things-
Izzy mag release
Stg gas plug
Izzy(?) pivot screw assy
Semi auto selector,has the 'beak'
Looks to be a bipod cut barrel...
:whiskey:

Those are all stock DSA parts patterned off of the parts you mentioned.

At any rate, cast or forged, who cares? Great looking rifle. Now shoot the shit out it.:biggrin:

1911Ron
December 13, 2017, 14:48
At any rate, cast or forged, who cares? Great looking rifle. Now shoot the shit out it.:biggrin:

I agree SHOOT it!!!!:biggrin:

On the Para conversion, i had gone back and forth on converting my riFal and in the end i stuck with the standard stock as i really had no reason to fold the stock, now if you just want the cool factor why not eh? The biggest thing is to SHOOT it! :biggrin::biggrin:

oleblu72
December 13, 2017, 14:56
I have a SA58 with a 18" fluted barrel and its birth date is the low 27's and according to DSA its listed as forged.

Mark

lowIQ
December 13, 2017, 20:00
... Now shoot the shit out it.

...The biggest thing is to SHOOT it!

I intend do this, most definitely. :)

lowIQ
December 13, 2017, 20:07
Close-up photo of port side.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20SA58/B27ED9C2-783D-46B9-BE10-0C77736A14BE_zpsuq8ui3an.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20SA58/B27ED9C2-783D-46B9-BE10-0C77736A14BE_zpsuq8ui3an.jpg.html)

ghf
December 14, 2017, 09:36
I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs (DSA and Imbel receivered).
All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

Thomas
December 14, 2017, 10:00
I built a para with 18 inch barrel. Love it. Not correct for history, but shoot one. Mine shoots better that my full length.
All my parts are Imbel, so all fit.

lew
December 14, 2017, 12:03
On the Para conversion, i had gone back and forth on converting my riFal and in the end i stuck with the standard stock as i really had no reason to fold the stock, now if you just want the cool factor why not eh? The biggest thing is to SHOOT it! :biggrin::biggrin:

Everyone needs at least one Para.:biggrin:

lowIQ
December 14, 2017, 13:52
...I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs. All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

...I built a para with 18 inch barrel. Love it. Mine shoots better that my full length.
Very encouraging reports. Thank you.

nwobhm
December 14, 2017, 15:00
May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

01BIRDDOG
December 14, 2017, 15:02
Very nice....I had one just like it and sold it here and really miss it now. Shoot and enjoy.

Hebrew Battle Rifle
December 14, 2017, 18:36
May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

That is excellent counsel. That groove cut by the selector detent is pretty deep.

lowIQ
December 14, 2017, 19:00
...May be to your benefit to call DSA and see if that lower is on the recall list.

...That is excellent counsel. That groove cut by the selector detent is pretty deep.
Interesting. Will someone please chime in and explain the potential issues associated with the recall and/or the selector ..?

Thank you.

Tgeorgi2002
December 14, 2017, 21:42
Interesting. Will someone please chime in and explain the potential issues associated with the recall and/or the selector ..?

Thank you.

https://www.dsarms.com/t-safetynotice.aspx

lowIQ
December 15, 2017, 20:56
https://www.dsarms.com/t-safetynotice.aspx

Thank you for the link. This issue is somewhat moot for me as the entire lower will most likely be replaced with a para conversion kit from DSA. Should I decide otherwise Iíll definitely look into this a little closer.

Invictus77
December 15, 2017, 21:17
I would suggest that ANY potential warranty issues (regardless of item or manufacturer) is best looked into sooner rather than later for a successful resolution. YMMV.

lowIQ
December 15, 2017, 21:32
I concur. If anything, just to rule out.

kalashniKEV
December 17, 2017, 19:36
DS = forged yes
DSA = some are forged, many not so much (have to call DSA with serial# to verify)

This. I owned a "DSA" prefix that they told me was forged.

I have several DSA Para conversion units on different metric FALs (DSA and Imbel receivered).
All went on correctly and function perfectly. No hassles.

I bought a "no nose" para conversion from DSA and it was junk- front of the top cover would bind the carrier so hard you had to pogo the rifle to charge it.

The grip had pock marks like yours from the injection mold, but nastier, and a seam all around.

The weld on the Rear reinforcement tab had a "peak" to it and I minorly sliced my palm on it, noting that I would need to file it down. Before I got around to it, I somehow managed to snag it on the front of my shirt and rip a nice, big hole!

The thing was possessed by poop devlis...

lowIQ
December 17, 2017, 20:12
Man, what a nightmare.

lowIQ
December 21, 2017, 12:24
Update: My Congo was just delivered to the house,..and Iím at work. Arrggg!!

This will be a long afternoon!!

lowIQ
December 22, 2017, 11:24
Cosmetically, the rifle appears to be in pristine condition. Did not get a chance to do a basic takedown for inspection but will make an effort tonight. Iím afraid a range report will not be forthcoming until after the holidays.

The anticipation will probably be the death of me. :)

I will however try to take a few close-up glamour shots of the Congo and post them soon.

lowIQ
December 23, 2017, 15:21
Here we go..:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3806-1000_zpsvdy3zotq.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3806-1000_zpsvdy3zotq.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3810-1000_zpsrjhrbgzn.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3810-1000_zpsrjhrbgzn.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3813-1000_zpswzi3bcuo.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3813-1000_zpswzi3bcuo.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3811-1000_zps9anjcfk9.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3811-1000_zps9anjcfk9.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3804-1000_zpsa32zq8bu.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3804-1000_zpsa32zq8bu.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3807-1000_zpsmudqz5dd.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3807-1000_zpsmudqz5dd.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3808-1000_zpss2fm2n3q.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3808-1000_zpss2fm2n3q.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3814-1000_zpsj2glgw1y.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/IMG_3814-1000_zpsj2glgw1y.jpg.html)

nwobhm
December 23, 2017, 17:48
Strange looking HG screw....needs a trim.

nwobhm
December 23, 2017, 17:51
Do I see an inch EB? How about a close up of the bottom of the BHO. I don't recall seeing one like that before.

MFC
December 23, 2017, 22:53
Not a DSA bolt carrier either (at least I didn't think they ever used ones without the W sand cuts)

lowIQ
December 24, 2017, 09:04
Not a DSA bolt carrier either (at least I didn't think they ever used ones without the W sand cuts)
My understanding is that older rifles were offered without a sand-cut BC. Mine was manufactured in 2012.

But regardless, a complete lower para kit including updated bcg will be installed in the near future. I’ll keep the thread active to document it’s transformation.

lowIQ
December 30, 2017, 18:36
I recently scored a nice set of metal hand guards from a fellow member. They fit perfectly. A Steyr Short FH is on the way, as well.

The only thing left to buy is the Para conversion kit but Iím undecided whether to go with the standard or railed cover. I really dig the look of a plain jane FAL Para without optics, so Iím leaning toward a standard cover.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/FAL%20Metal%20HGs_zpsuabss9gm.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/FAL%20Metal%20HGs_zpsuabss9gm.jpg.html)

CQB27
December 30, 2017, 19:29
I recently scored a nice set of metal hand guards from a fellow member. They fit perfectly. A Steyr Short FH is on the way, as well.

The only thing left to buy is the Para conversion kit but Iím undecided whether to go with the standard or railed cover. I really dig the look of a plain jane FAL Para without optics, so Iím leaning toward a standard cover.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/FAL%20Metal%20HGs_zpsuabss9gm.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/DSA%20FAL%20GShots/FAL%20Metal%20HGs_zpsuabss9gm.jpg.html)

Looking good! Remember to post pics when you get the para conversion done. I picked up a DSA Para with the railed top cover and railed handguard a few months ago. I promptly traded the para lower for a Imbel standard lower, then sold the railed parts and converted it to look like yours. To each his own, lol.

lowIQ
December 30, 2017, 19:34
CQB27, why did the Para not appeal to you??

CQB27
December 30, 2017, 20:30
CQB27, why did the Para not appeal to you??

I actually liked the Para look a lot. But I bought the rifle to shoot and when it comes to shooting I much prefer the standard stock. So for me it was nothing more than a personal stock preference.

lowIQ
December 30, 2017, 20:37
I actually liked the Para look a lot. But I bought the rifle to shoot and when it comes to shooting I much prefer the standard stock. So for me it was nothing more than a personal stock preference.
Copy that.

The Para stock is shorter, thus shorter LOP. I assume recoil harmonics and cheek weld on a steel/aluminum tube will be considerably different from a stock made of plastic or wood. I think the top tube/comb has a slight angle down toward the butt.

lowIQ
January 02, 2018, 22:48
I'm reaching out for opinions as I'm a little confused as to the type of top cover the rifle has. I've seen hundred of photos and I still cannot determine if I have a Nose or No Nose cover.

The cover has a tip about 1/16" that has to be inserted into the gas piston hood but it only inserts by applying downward pressure on the cover. The subject tip is level with the top of the cover, not below the top like in the photos I've seen.

Also, the hood/walls of the gas piston hood are thick and do not appear to have a Para cut.

I know I'm not making any sense so I'll post a few photos tomorrow. I want/need to confirm before I order the Para Kit.

nwobhm
January 03, 2018, 04:48
You don't have a nose cut top cover. Those were only for paratroppers. The likelyhood is strong that you don't have a nose cut receiver either but will need a pic to verify.

lowIQ
January 03, 2018, 14:51
You don't have a nose cut top cover. Those were only for paratroppers. The likelyhood is strong that you don't have a nose cut receiver either but will need a pic to verify.
On The Nosey..! (no pun intended)

I confirmed it with DSA. No nose Top Cover.

douglas
January 03, 2018, 16:45
Sweet looking rifle. I have always liked the humpback stock.
I hope that you save the plastic hand guards as shooting a bunch of rounds at the range during summer time in Corpus the metal one tend to get plenty hot.

Texgunner
January 03, 2018, 17:02
Nice rifle, great pics! :bow:

lowIQ
January 03, 2018, 23:02
Thanks for the kind words, folks.

She's coming along pretty good. Today I received the steyr short FH that was recently purchased from a fellow member. I really like the look of it and it shortened the total length of the rifle by about an inch.

Just ordered a folding cocking handle assembly from DSA. The Para Kit will be ordered next week.

792mauser
January 04, 2018, 03:03
Purdy looking rifle.

eternal24k
January 05, 2018, 08:58
Surprised you are building into a Para and added the metal handguards.

I think the lighter HGs balance a lot better on a para

lowIQ
January 05, 2018, 12:13
Surprised you are building into a Para and added the metal handguards.

I think the lighter HGs balance a lot better on a para
I don't know what it is about the metal HGs, but I really like the look.

Only major drawback as already mentioned by a fellow member, is heat retention and So. Texas summers are hotter than the deepest pit in hell..!!

moonbat60
January 06, 2018, 09:42
Regarding Paras, if you dontít like the feel of cheekweld against the metal tube of the Paraís buttstock, wrap some fabric around it, or paracord or, like I did, go to a home improvement store and look for some of this grey pipe insulation
foam.

It makes quite a bit of a difference.

I run my Para with a DSA railed top cover and like it lots.

lowIQ
January 06, 2018, 11:00
Regarding Paras, if you dontít like the feel of cheekweld against the metal tube of the Paraís buttstock, wrap some fabric around it, or paracord or, like I did, go to a home improvement store and look for some of this grey pipe insulation
foam.

It makes quite a bit of a difference.

I run my Para with a DSA railed top cover and like it lots.
Hey Moon. Thank you very much for the advice!

Full disclosure: I actually have a side biz making/selling cheek risers for the Beretta ARX 100/160 model rifles. Mine are the only riser(s) currently availble for the Beretta.

I intend to incorporate some the features found on my ďCR2 risersĒ, into the development of a cheek rest specifically designed for the Para Stock.

The prototype (FP1) will be unveiled in this Thread in the near future.

moonbat60
January 06, 2018, 12:18
Hey Moon. Thank you very much for the advice!

Full disclosure: I actually have a side biz making/selling cheek risers for the Beretta ARX 100/160 model rifles. Mine are the only riser(s) currently availble for the Beretta.

I intend to incorporate some the features found on my ďCR2 risersĒ, into the development of a cheek rest specifically designed for the Para Stock.

The prototype (FP1) will be unveiled in this Thread in the near future.

Sounds good !

Donít forget to post some pictures....

Making a cheek rest out of pipe insulation was a cheap fix, but it worked quite well.

I picked the one with adhesive at the ďgapĒ, cut it to length, then put it over the top tube and marked the spot for the little support tab between the top and bottom tubes.

A couple of minutes with a sharp box knife, and it was done.

moonbat60
January 06, 2018, 12:20
On another note, lowIQ, I was not looking so much for a real cheek riser. I was looking more for some padding for the tube.

lowIQ
January 06, 2018, 12:27
... Making a cheek rest out of pipe insulation was a cheap fix, but it worked quite well.

I picked the one with adhesive at the ďgapĒ, cut it to length, then put it over the top tube and marked the spot for the little support tab between the top and bottom tubes.

A couple of minutes with a sharp box knife, and it was done.
I did this to a AR a few years back and it worked very well. Great minds think a like!! :)

lowIQ
January 06, 2018, 12:32
On another note, lowIQ, I was not looking so much for a real cheek riser. I was looking more for some padding for the tube.
Roger that. My initial design will be more of a Rest, than a Riser, although it will probably elevate the comb/LOS about 1/4Ē.

moonbat60
January 06, 2018, 13:22
Roger that. My initial design will be more of a Rest, than a Riser, although it will probably elevate the comb/LOS about 1/4Ē.

About 1/4Ē ? Thatís very well tolerable.

lowIQ
January 06, 2018, 14:52
About 1/4” ? That’s very well tolerable.
I think so. The operative is to design a streamline, lightweight (+/- 1 oz.) Cheek Rest with a soft, non-slip surface and that will mount the stock without nuts/bolts/straps or hook & loop fasteners.

I'm pretty confident that I can design it so that it easily snaps on/off, just like my CR2 Riser. When mounted on the Para Stock, the streamlined aesthetics of the cheek rest will be a big plus.

lowIQ
January 06, 2018, 17:25
just for the heck of it... 7.62 cousins.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20ad%20AK/7cc66643-52a1-4f41-8a8e-51a35ad707eb_zpschl7gbes.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20ad%20AK/7cc66643-52a1-4f41-8a8e-51a35ad707eb_zpschl7gbes.jpg.html)

:)

moonbat60
January 08, 2018, 23:03
Nice !

lowIQ
January 09, 2018, 21:47
So the DSA Folding Cocking Handle was delivered this afternoon and I installed it. The install was extremely easy.


The install literally went from this ...:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Folding%20Cocking%20Handle/03689ebc-34f4-4d7e-9a08-ad3a51583e4e_zpscrahtocq.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Folding%20Cocking%20Handle/03689ebc-34f4-4d7e-9a08-ad3a51583e4e_zpscrahtocq.jpg.html)





To this in less than 5 minutes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Folding%20Cocking%20Handle/bfb41f4a-75d7-40ff-9830-d169edf9f663_zpsvdlkssfp.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Folding%20Cocking%20Handle/bfb41f4a-75d7-40ff-9830-d169edf9f663_zpsvdlkssfp.jpg.html)

moonbat60
January 09, 2018, 21:49
lowIQ, you take nice pictures.

lowIQ
January 10, 2018, 13:43
Thanks, Moon. The next batch of photos should be of the FAL in itís final stage of metamorphosis. The Para kit was ordered this morning. ;)

nwobhm
January 10, 2018, 16:39
Have you fired this rifle?

lowIQ
January 10, 2018, 17:22
Have you fired this rifle?
I have not, but my son took it to the range last week and had a great time. No reports of any issues through 60 rounds of ammo. His only complaint was with the recoil. He had never held or fired a FAL. Heís a AR kinda guy.:)

I intend to take it out this weekend.

lowIQ
January 12, 2018, 20:01
Call me freaggin CrAzy, but I think I'm going to replace the DSA sand-cut BC with a standard para BC. I understand the reason for the design of SCBC but I don't intend to subject the rifle to the type of terrain, venue, abuse and/or conditions where the SCBC would come-in handy. PLUS I really dig the look of a plain smooth carrier.

Are there additional benefits to the SCBC besides the obvious?? I'm all ears.

lowIQ
January 12, 2018, 20:23
It might be an ounce lighter. Not worth measuring or worry.

Yup. Makes sense.

moonbat60
January 13, 2018, 08:35
I have not, but my son took it to the range last week and had a great time. No reports of any issues through 60 rounds of ammo. His only complaint was with the recoil. He had never held or fired a FAL. Heís a AR kinda guy.:)

I intend to take it out this weekend.

Maybe your son needs to get a gym membership....lol!

A FAL does not have too much recoil. It is a .308 and not a .300 Win Mag or a
.45-70. LOL!

I donít own any AR. I might look into buying a Vietnam era CAR15, if any.

moonbat60
January 13, 2018, 08:39
Call me freaggin CrAzy, but I think I'm going to replace the DSA sand-cut BC with a standard para BC. I understand the reason for the design of SCBC but I don't intend to subject the rifle to the type of terrain, venue, abuse and/or conditions where the SCBC would come-in handy. PLUS I really dig the look of a plain smooth carrier.

Are there additional benefits to the SCBC besides the obvious?? I'm all ears.

My Para has also got the plain and smooth BC. It came like this from DSA.

I never saw any reason for changing it to a SC.

lowIQ
January 13, 2018, 09:54
Morning, Moon. I had no idea DSA offered a non-SCBC for the Para. Mine will be purchased through Sarco.

moonbat60
January 13, 2018, 10:21
Morning, lowIQ.

I purchased mine back in 2005 or so, would need to look it up. It has been a great gun so far.

I have shot it with M80 of various makes, and 150 / 155gr. handloads.

lowIQ
January 13, 2018, 11:54
Iím headed to the indoor range in 30 minutes. Will come back with a candid and objective report, maybe with a pic or two.

moonbat60
January 14, 2018, 13:43
How did it go?

lowIQ
January 15, 2018, 22:15
Hey, Moon. The rifle did well but it wasn't a perfect outing without issues. Out of 40 rounds down the pipe I had four FTF. I think I may have inadvertently moved the gas adjustment when I cleaned it after my son's range trip last week. Or it could be the magazine, although my son didn't report any issues.

I noticed the ftf problem only occurred when I loaded the mag with four or more rounds. No problems when the mag was loaded with 3 or less rounds.

I was using expensive blue tip Barnes ammo, which use to give me decent accuracy and no feeding issues with my M14. The indoor range presented another issue with low lighting. I had trouble finding the front post against the dark silhouette target, so accuracy really wasn't tested. I can tell you that most, if not all, bullets hit the target that was placed at the maximum 30 (?) yards.

My next outing will be to an outdoor range. Hopefully with more favorable results. By then I'll buy a few [better] mags and I'll have a chance to tweek the gas.

As far as recoil, well I thought it was very tamed. I like this rifle ah-lot..! Bipod and Para kit is one the way..

moonbat60
January 16, 2018, 22:05
Good.

I used to carry a genuine FN 50.63 Para (436mm barrel / 17.2") as a service rifle in the 1980's.

Loved that gun.

I run mine with M80 type ammo on a setting of 4 or 5.

lowIQ
January 17, 2018, 10:08
Thanks, Moon. I'll take more time on my next outing. Hoping to tweek the gas setting just right. The bi-pod was delivered yesterday. It has a new coat of shiny black paint which I really don't care for. Probably gonna strip it and leave it bare.

Did you have optics on your 50.63?

moonbat60
January 17, 2018, 22:08
Back then I did not, as the rifle was technically not my property (gov't property).

On my current one I do, it has got a Nikon Monarch 3 1-4x20mm in a Nikon M223 mount.

lowIQ
January 17, 2018, 22:23
Back then I did not, as the rifle was technically not my property (gov't property).

On my current one I do, it has got a Nikon Monarch 3 1-4x20mm in a Nikon M223 mount.
Nice. 4 power is plenty.

moonbat60
January 20, 2018, 10:53
I got it from a good deal that my FFL made me, asit was originally for a different customer.

On a short barrel para it is the right size of scope.

lowIQ
January 20, 2018, 18:36
Well Moon, my Para Kit came in today but I was very disappointed to learn that it was shipped with the wrong Top Cover. I ordered the kit with a No-Nose cover and it came with a Nose cover. I sent DSA an email with the hope that they'll ship the correct cover without too much delay.

Anyway I decided to put the lower receiver together just to make sure all parts were going to fit. Everything went well but the locking lever is a little tight. No big whoop.

I put her together and took a few pics.

I also had a chance to work on the "FP1" Cheek Rest Prototype. The cheek rest has a solid hold on the stock and the neoprene is soft. Note the ambidextrous design. So far, So good.

I hope to receive the correct top cover in the next few weeks. It's off to the range after that.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3885_zpsez5dhtft.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3885_zpsez5dhtft.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3884_zpsb6muymrp.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3884_zpsb6muymrp.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/6bd7de58-252a-4ab0-a3a6-68ac6186dd4d_zpscictzmtq.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/6bd7de58-252a-4ab0-a3a6-68ac6186dd4d_zpscictzmtq.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3874_zpscthuv2qp.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/FAL%20Para%20with%20FP1%20Cheek%20Rest/IMG_3874_zpscthuv2qp.jpg.html)

moonbat60
January 20, 2018, 20:43
lowIQ, that set-up looks great.

Regarding the top cover, I would have just taken a dremel or a file and that nose would have been history by now.

Yours has got a 21" barrel, as it seems, or is it my eyes? Yours almost looks like a 50.61 to me.

(Sorry, I always go by the FN model designation, that's what I'm used to.)

The cheek rest looks great, I like it. It blends in nicely.

Could you post some more pictures of the cheek rest ? How does it attach ?

moonbat60
January 20, 2018, 20:51
https://ibb.co/m6Hb1w

lowIQ
January 20, 2018, 21:36
Thanks for the kind words, Moon. Mine has a 18” barrel but it looks longer because of the lense (and angle) I was using when the photos were taken. I really like your setup and choice of optics. How often do you take yours out? I enjoyed shooting mine so much that I just might have to start reloading again. :)

The cheek rest snaps on/off the stock. It’s held in place by clamping- type feature that’s created during body molding. Thin anti-slip rubber strips are then placed inside the body panel parallel to the bottom tube. This secures the cheek rest to the stock. No bolts, nuts, screws, laces, straps or hook & loop system is required. The final stage of production involves adhering the neoprene cover to the body. Wah-Lah.

I’ll post additional photos tomorrow.

Send me your address and I’ll gladly ship one to you for testing.

lowIQ
January 20, 2018, 21:56
Iíll wait to hear back from DSA before I fire up the dremel. :)

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 08:33
Thanks for the kind words, Moon. Mine has a 18Ē barrel but it looks longer because of the lense (and angle) I was using when the photos were taken. I really like your setup and choice of optics. How often do you take yours out? I enjoyed shooting mine so much that I just might have to start reloading again. :)

The cheek rest snaps on/off the stock. Itís held in place by clamping- type feature thatís created during body molding. Thin anti-slip rubber strips are then placed inside the body panel parallel to the bottom tube. This secures the cheek rest to the stock. No bolts, nuts, screws, laces, straps or hook & loop system is required. The final stage of production involves adhering the neoprene cover to the body. Wah-Lah.

Iíll post additional photos tomorrow.

Send me your address and Iíll gladly ship one to you for testing.

I donít get mine out as often as I would like to, as I am currently working on a load for my bolt gun (Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint in .308).

I also reload for my Para, but for most part I reload 9mm for my pistols and my Scorpion Evo3.

If you are interested, I can share some load data with you.

Your cheek rest looks interesting, and on the Para having one is definitely a must.

I am looking forward to see some more pictures. It will definitely look better than the grey foam pipe insulation that I put on mine, which was a low $$$ choice (a cheap fix).

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 09:24
lowIQ, as you might have noticed, I am still running the standard pistol grip on my Para.

As those are as smooth as a babyís butt (if not smoother), I put some rubberized grip tape (from talon grips or some such) on mine, and it is excellent.

The set was pre cut for an AR15 grip, Magpul MIAD. My LGS had one laying around.

I am a big fan of Talon grips, I use them on a number of my guns, such as my CZ Scorpion Evo3, a Springfield XD and a Steyr AUG. Plastic is just too smooth for my likes.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 09:35
I noticed your grip but thought it was aftermarket. You did a great job with the talon tape. I may have to look into that. Thanks for the info!

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 09:40
Actually, the set that I used on my Para came from Decal Grips.

It is a pre cut set cnsisting of 4 pieces, 2 large and 2 small ones. The set runs around $10, so it wonít break the bank. Mine is the black rubberized version, as the sand is too rough.

There might be better ones out there, but this one did it.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 09:44
Copy that. My boy put a set of those on his glock and he loves them.

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 10:06
Happy to help.

Honestly, your cheek rest grows on me. The more I look at it, the more I like it.

Is this just a prototype or an actual production model?

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 10:18
Itís a prototype but in the final stages of design. Still messing with overall comb length and neoprene thickness.

Iíll come back and post a few pics of the ďlightweightĒ proto model. Itís a little more streamlined and weighs less than 1oz.

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 11:24
Thanks!

As the Para is not a lightweight rifle by any means, I am not concerned about the weight of the cheek rest.

Your prototype looks very good to me, blends in nicely, as if it has been on the folding stock forever and a day.

As you might have noticed, there are not that many choices of aftermarket cheek rests out there (I only know of one), so you might hit a good spot there.

I donít know how many Para owners are on here, but I would think probably over 50 or 60, but thatís just my uneducated guess.....

If you could also make one that fits the Galil / Golani rifles with a similar folding stock, it might turn into a profitable business.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 12:19
Moon, these are photos of the FP1-LW prototype. I made it in FDE to emphasize the body design vs the standard FP1.

What do you think??

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 12:47
It looks great, but I must admit that I like your 1st prototype a little better.

Generally speaking, I like them both. It is a good idea put into effect. The pictures are excellent, showing a lot of detail.

Without giving too much away, how does it attach and prevent it from sliding back and forth on the stock?

I know that the tubular stock is pretty smooth and does not have any gripping surfaces.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 12:48
An important thing to note is that the rest can be easily adjusted fore and aft on the stock and it will maintain a solid mount. This feature will accommodate anyone (young and old) and provide exceptional cheek weld.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 12:53
... Without giving too much away, how does it attach and prevent it from sliding back and forth on the stock?

I know that the tubular stock is pretty smooth and does not have any gripping surfaces.
The rest is held in place via anti-slip strips that were left behind in my back yard by extraterrestrial creatures. :)

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 13:08
... It looks great, but I must admit that I like your 1st prototype a little better.
I too like the FP1 better. Plus the LW is too labor intensive. Iíd have to make a specific jig to speed up production.

Thank you for your candor!

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 13:29
lowIQ, you got a PM inbound.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 16:56
... If you could also make one that fits the Galil / Golani rifles with a similar folding stock, it might turn into a profitable business.
If the G/G folding stock has the same circumference Top Tube of the DSA folder, the FP1 cheek rest will definitely work. Do you have a Galil folder?

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 21:03
If the G/G folding stock has the same circumference Top Tube of the DSA folder, the FP1 cheek rest will definitely work. Do you have a Galil folder?

No Galil / Golani here, at least not yet.......

My next gun will be a bolt gun in 6.5 Creedmoor.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 21:17
My oldest boy has been craving a bolt CM. I just saw a new unfired ruger Precision rifle being offered on ArfCom for $900.

I don't think I'll be purchasing another gun for a good while. The FAL was a "finalizing the divorce decree" gift to myself. :) I'd been salivating for a 18" Para for many years. Finally got her in my hands. life is good.

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 21:23
For $900, I hope it is not too used up.

I might go for a Weatherby Vanguard or so.

A close buddy of mine is shooting his in PRS matches. He loves it lots.

I have shot his at an indoor range at a 100yds, but that won't do it any justice, lol.

lowIQ
January 21, 2018, 21:35
Moon, is the magaziine release latch an easy swap? The serrations on the factory round latch are very sharp/abrasive and I want to replace it with a flat serrated latch.

moonbat60
January 21, 2018, 21:38
Moon, is ths magaziine release latch an easy swap? The serrations on the factory round latch are very sharp/abrasive and I want to replace it with a flat serrated latch.

Yes it is an easy swap.

lowIQ
January 22, 2018, 15:05
Yes it is an easy swap.
Good to know.

moonbat60
January 22, 2018, 22:47
Good to know.

PM inbound.

moonbat60
January 25, 2018, 14:58
lowIQ,

did it work out ?

lowIQ
January 25, 2018, 15:21
Hello, Moon. Waiting for the top cover to arrive. DSA responded very quickly and shipped the right Top cover. It should deliver the next few days.

Regarding the cheek rest, Yes and No. A LE buddy of mine recently bought a FAL so I made a FP1 for him to test. On the first range trip the neoprene cover tore. So Iíve decided to move forward with the FP1 sans neoprene cover. Yours will ship out soon. :)

moonbat60
January 25, 2018, 21:55
Hello, Moon. Waiting for the top cover to arrive. DSA responded very quickly and shipped the right Top cover. It should deliver the next few days.

Regarding the cheek rest, Yes and No. A LE buddy of mine recently bought a FAL so I made a FP1 for him to test. On the first range trip the neoprene cover tore. So Iíve decided to move forward with the FP1 sans neoprene cover. Yours will ship out soon. :)

That is some great news !