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msu89dawgs
November 14, 2017, 08:58
I may have jumped the gun on a GB auction for a BM59 that is supposedly on a Beretta conversion of a US made M1 receiver to a BM59. It is advertised as a Springfield import, but there is no import marking for Springfield Armory, which I don't believe imported BM59s until the 1980's. I did some research before using Buy Now, and there were rifles with receiver markings similar to the photo below that were imported into the US, but I'm thinking this one might be a copy done by a US gunsmith, not done by Beretta.

I've registered for an account on Machine Gun Forums, which has a BM59 forum, to ask about this there, but I have to wait to be approved by a mod before I can post. If anyone is knowledgeable about BM59's and can give me an opinion about the authenticity of this receiver, I would appreciate it.

https://i.imgur.com/UEENe6z.jpg

Striker1423
November 14, 2017, 10:45
I don't know of any reputable US gunsmith doing conversions and stamping anything into the receivers.

Just showing the heel of the receiver will not tell the whole story. What do the cuts look like on the receiver legs, what are the barrel markings, etc.

Most new bm59s or conversions will have a new barrel because new old stock barrels don't exist for the Ital guns.

mills41
November 14, 2017, 11:51
Yes you are correct in that it is a copy done here in the US.Original Beretta BM59 conversions will also have the stripper clip guide dovetailed and welded into the receiver.Also original conversions will have the semi circular selector cutout with the groove for the selector lock among other minor details.They also will have the trip lever ground flush with the receiver leg and very faint selector markings on the left side.Reportedly there were four imported in the early 1960's.There is also a thread on Shuff's BM59 board where the adress is given for the engraver that replicates the markings that your receiver has,Mills41.

AliYahu
November 14, 2017, 13:15
Yes you are correct in that it is a copy done here in the US.Original Beretta BM59 conversions will also have the stripper clip guide dovetailed and welded into the receiver.Also original conversions will have the semi circular selector cutout with the groove for the selector lock among other minor details.They also will have the trip lever ground flush with the receiver leg and very faint selector markings on the left side.Reportedly there were four imported in the early 1960's.There is also a thread on Shuff's BM59 board where the adress is given for the engraver that replicates the markings that your receiver has,Mills41.

What he said. The heel markings are pretty close to what Beretta did on reworked USGI guns, but the lack of a stripper clip guide most likely mean it's a more modern copy.
Shuff's 'Battle Tested' forum (http://forum.shuffsparkerizing.com/forum.php) is the place to learn about these. If you want a nice BM59, get a GI Garand receiver ($350+/-), a parts kit from Numrich ($369) (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1572160), a barrel from Bula ($175) (http://buladefense.com/), send it to Shuff for machining and assembly ($600) (http://shuffsparkerizing.com/services/mag-fed-garand/). Not cheap, in price or quality!

Eli

Orlando8
November 14, 2017, 17:53
Cant tell much from the picture
Do you have a link to the auction?

Atla
November 15, 2017, 09:49
Slightly off topic - but ClassicArms has some new ones by James River Armory for sale. $1,200. Beretta Original Beretta magazines are $60!!!

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bm-59-semi-auto-rifle-308-caliber

https://cdn.classicfirearms.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/580x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/_/d/_dsc0534.png

I want...nay...NEED one.

SAFN49
November 15, 2017, 13:29
I need a better picture of the marked out part of the heel. The Beretta rifles had what looked like ssssssssssss as an over stamp to hid the original stamping.

John A
November 15, 2017, 14:29
I really like those guns.

I truly wish I had the extra coin to get one.

AliYahu
November 15, 2017, 16:23
Slightly off topic - but ClassicArms has some new ones by James River Armory for sale. $1,200. Beretta Original Beretta magazines are $60!!!

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bm-59-semi-auto-rifle-308-caliber

https://cdn.classicfirearms.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/580x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/_/d/_dsc0534.png

I want...nay...NEED one.

And the receivers are cast, and out-of-spec. Get a properly machined GI one!
Magazines are available for less, you just have to know where to look.

Eli

BM59
November 15, 2017, 16:36
And the receivers are cast, and out-of-spec. Get a properly machined GI one!
Magazines are available for less, you just have to know where to look.

Eli

As he says. JRA had a small batch made on Springfield receivers but those are long gone. Get one built by Tim Shufflin and you can’t go wrong.

Orlando8
November 15, 2017, 17:08
unissued in wrap BM59 mags can be bought for $33

12v71
November 15, 2017, 22:40
unissued in wrap BM59 mags can be bought for $33

Please share your source...

Orlando8
November 16, 2017, 19:36
Northridge International, have to call them, not listed on web site

Orlando8
November 16, 2017, 19:39
Cant see much from the OP's picture but I am guessing its a Beretta Garand sold by Reese years ago nt a bm59

AliYahu
November 17, 2017, 07:40
Please share your source...

Sarco sometimes has their used ones on sale for $25/ea when you buy 10 or more - and oftentimes free shipping on top of that! http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/bm59-308-20-round-magazine.aspx

Eli

Frenchkat
November 17, 2017, 14:14
Nice rifle, have one almost identical. Home build, not an import. Not a 59, it's more like a 62/69.

From what I've read, all receivers modified by Beretta for the 62 were marked as being imported by Berben and Benet for the 69. Also, my understanding, the 62s were marked .308 to get around the ban.

I saw the GB add you used for the picture. It describes the rifle as a 62 is marked on the heel as being 7.62. Without seeing any import marks, its hard to answer your question.

Like others have said, check out Tim Shufflins Battle Tested Forum. Lots of good information.

Parga
November 18, 2017, 03:59
There's a company who will strike the original M1 markings and engrave the BM59 markings. That's a conversion done here

Atla
November 21, 2017, 15:04
Thanks for the heads up guys, I gotta start saving my pennies. I've a few guns ahead of it in line though. :)