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pureveggie
November 07, 2017, 15:02
I've got a hk93 with Arlington va along with Saco also stamped on the reciever ??? What is saco and is this an original hk??? Was Saco the early importer??? Thanks ya'll best fal guy nc

mp
November 07, 2017, 16:04
Yes, original. SACO was importer.

VALMET
November 07, 2017, 17:48
SACO- HK Inc import transition was 1979-80 IIRC.

pureveggie
November 08, 2017, 08:29
Thanks guys!! I was told Saco guns hk93 are kinda rare and not that many came in but an old expert friend says that's false ??? This one is in ex cond and they're asking 2850 delivered what's the resale value of such a hk 93 comes stripped down with only one mag no carry handle or bipod but it's a clean looking gun but there are so many ex cond or new guns hk 93 on gunbroker right now and most are not selling I was hoping to resale this one for 3550.00 but I think I'm dreaming😁 Opinions??? Thanks guys?!!!

gunplumber
November 08, 2017, 08:48
Well, if you are buying it for purpose of resale and you are not a licensed dealer, then doing so would be a violation of federal law. I think what you meant to say was that you might be able to buy for your collection at below market value.

Saco guns tend to be blue-gray, while HK tend to be black. This is a pain in the ass when it comes to the refinishing I do for the HK repair department - I haven't yet come up with a consistent match for the Saco blue. I do have VZ58 blue but it's not quite the same.

So if you are buying a bare Saco import, no black accessories will match in color.

In the 91s, I believe the SACOs were the polygonal rifled barrels which is a nice feature.

AGG
November 08, 2017, 13:58
SACO- HK Inc import transition was 1979-80 IIRC.

Correct--- SACO (1974- early 1980)!!! ;)

Tony

AGG
November 08, 2017, 14:08
Well, if you are buying it for purpose of resale and you are not a licensed dealer, then doing so would be a violation of federal law. I think what you meant to say was that you might be able to buy for your collection at below market value.

Saco guns tend to be blue-gray, while HK tend to be black. This is a pain in the ass when it comes to the refinishing I do for the HK repair department - I haven't yet come up with a consistent match for the Saco blue. I do have VZ58 blue but it's not quite the same.

So if you are buying a bare Saco import, no black accessories will match in color.

In the 91s, I believe the SACOs were the polygonal rifled barrels which is a nice feature.

Close--- on the HK93's, the black finish was 1974- mid-1976, then the blue-gray finish from mid-1976-1982!!! ;)
Correct--- on the HK91's, polygonal barrels from 1974-1978 (with raised bolt head faces)--- all SACO imports. :)

Tony

pureveggie
November 08, 2017, 14:45
Thanks for your replies on the hk ques appreciate you fellas

lowprone
November 08, 2017, 21:19
When the Turkish HK93 type rifles are imported in greater volume
real HK 93 prices will tumble.

VALMET
November 09, 2017, 03:16
Doubtful. There are enough folks out there that want a “real” HK that I see prices holding steadily (although soft at the moment). In the 1990s and early-2000s with the kit guns and DSAs, Belgian FNs didn’t slip.

AGG
November 09, 2017, 10:02
Doubtful. There are enough folks out there that want a “real” HK that I see prices holding steadily (although soft at the moment). In the 1990s and early-2000s with the kit guns and DSAs, Belgian FNs didn’t slip.

Agreed--- MKE will capture the more frugal market--- there will still be the demand for an "original" HK!!! :)

Tony

MJ1
January 09, 2018, 21:43
[QUOTE=gunplumber;4499041]Well, if you are buying it for purpose of resale and you are not a licensed dealer, then doing so would be a violation of federal law. I think what you meant to say was that you might be able to buy for your collection at below market value.

So what you are saying is I can not sell my HK collection after 30+ years at currant market value ?

.............:uhoh:...........

hkshooter
January 09, 2018, 22:29
So what you are saying is I can not sell my HK collection after 30+ years at currant market value ?

.............:uhoh:...........

No, I believe he meant exactly what he said. If you buy firearms with the sole intent to resell those firearms, and you do so without an FFL license, you are violation of federal law. Easy peezy.

If you buy firearms without the sole intent to resell them, and then sell them at a later date, no violation.

So sell away. If you bought them 30 years ago you'll quadruple your investment. Or more, in some cases.

tac-40
January 09, 2018, 22:31
So what you are saying is I can not sell my HK collection after 30+ years at currant market value ?


No, you can sell your collection. However, buying a firearm at below face value with the intent on selling it for profit could be considered a violation if the buyer/seller is not an FFL. Follows the same lines that if you build an AR rifle from scratch with the intent on selling it, that is a violation unless properly licensed.

justashooter
January 11, 2018, 11:10
tac is right. if the intent is related to generation of income without complying with taxation requirements, it is unlawful.

hueyville
January 18, 2018, 13:24
I buy a lot of guns and sell a few and even give some away. My personal rule is once I buy a gun and log it into my personal records it is not sold for at least a full year. During 94 Bush Ban and Sandy Hook was selling more than usual but most had been in my collection for a minimum of five years and value exceeded my desire to own anymore. I would not want to show a trend or tendency to buy and resell several guns per year that were owned for a short period of time and have BATFE even have grounds to interpret that I am flipping guns for profit.

I sold a lot of AR's, SKS's, and AK's during Sandy Hook. All of the combloc rifles had owned over 20 years and all were sold through my local FFL no face to face sales. Rules are written in way there is a lot of room to accuse someone of being in the business of selling guns without a license. I know two guys locally that rent tables at gun shows to sell personal guns and buy as many as sell. Expect both of them to be looking for a plea bargain at some point.

During initial years of Bush Ban I had a lot of rifles had not owned long enough to feel comfortable selling. I spent first three years of ban selling magazines letting rifles age as decided which I was more partial towards and wanted to keep and which I was not fond of this willing to sell. Another reason I buy lots of AR lowers and keep buying.

Keep track of all and when pull a lower for a build its usually been in the lower vault aging for at least three years. Thus if build and it's not to my taste when finished but someone else falls in love with it am not selling a rifle built on lower purchased recently. Have three L1a1 uppers and just bought a fourth. The kit am assembling now while intend to keep a long time will have been on books three years when finished. Upper purchased this week do not even have a kit for it yet. Past 30 years have averaged selling one gun for every four to five purchased. That's just purging less desirable firearms from my collection as upgrade. If make a few bucks on a single unit still spending more going out than coming in by large factor.

If decide to go in gun business I will form an LLC, get an FFL, liability insurance and work with my Firearms Trust lawyer who specializes in firearms to stay totally legal and let CPA's handle the books. When most violations say minimum 10 years in prison and $10,000 fine absolutely do not want to have an issue with BATFE. Is making $1,000 on a rifle worth a $10,000 fine plus jail and loss of right to own guns in the future? Be careful!