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SAFN49
October 23, 2017, 12:40
Just refinished a 60mm mortar base cap for my buddy. I didn't know Firestone made mortars during WWII

http://i.imgur.com/7FEFbFy.jpg (https://imgur.com/7FEFbFy)

This is going to be like adult lawn darts but for manly men.

notfrommt
October 23, 2017, 13:08
M69's are a great way to kill an afternoon; at least until you lose them in soft ground or a pond. :whistling:

SAFN49
October 23, 2017, 13:34
I want to get a TRUMP round or 3.. makes them easy to find :D

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lew
October 23, 2017, 18:16
I've nothing to add except that mortars are f-in' cool. :biggrin:

meltblown
October 23, 2017, 18:44
Shit he takes too long. I could get some flame tats on my arms by the time he finishes I'll finish it this weekend

SAFN49
October 23, 2017, 19:03
Shit he takes too long. I could get some flame tats on my arms by the time he finishes I'll finish it this weekend

I don't know why he didn't arm all the rounds first and then just pull the safety pin, Hang and Drop em.

308/223shooter
October 23, 2017, 19:11
I've nothing to add except that mortars are f-in' cool. :biggrin:

Unless you're on the receiving end of the bloody things.

meltblown
October 23, 2017, 19:15
I don't know why he didn't arm all the rounds first and then just pull the safety pin, Hang and Drop em.

No shit. If Tom Hanks living all his life in Harveywood could do it,then I could probably do it. :wink:

croftonaviation
October 23, 2017, 21:54
Ok, where do you even find Rounds for this thing?

notfrommt
October 23, 2017, 22:01
I don't know why he didn't arm all the rounds first and then just pull the safety pin, Hang and Drop em.

I would adjust after each round. Those fins are strategic parts.

Guy at work kept saying “he’s missing the truck” :facepalm:

medicmike
October 23, 2017, 22:36
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/48462649/freedom-boner.jpg

ALL FAL
October 24, 2017, 02:19
Trajectory as an art comes easy to me, especially under pressure.

gunplumber
October 24, 2017, 07:03
style points?

https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/002/441/for_gallery_v2/marine-corps-silkies-mortars.jpg?1396040252

SAFN49
October 24, 2017, 11:28
style points?

https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/002/441/for_gallery_v2/marine-corps-silkies-mortars.jpg?1396040252

Mark, are those your legs or did you ride into combat on a chicken? :rofl:

gunplumber
October 24, 2017, 17:55
Not me, from his K-pot, I assume he's Marine. Plus, we only had 60mm, as it's hard to jump an 81mm.

But I do still have those Ranger Panties. . .

SAFN49
October 24, 2017, 18:52
It was just a joke.

http://i.imgur.com/Lqg0tSM.jpg (https://imgur.com/Lqg0tSM)

and this meme is just a joke too....

medicmike
October 24, 2017, 23:46
Years ago I did make a 55MM black powder mortar...was a lot of fun

https://i.imgur.com/aEBKSGu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ULvNYAm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c24f6oQ.jpg


This thread is giving me much inspiration but also much consternation as I don't currently have a lathe.....

gunplumber
October 25, 2017, 07:26
It was just a joke.

http://i.imgur.com/Lqg0tSM.jpg (https://imgur.com/Lqg0tSM)

and this meme is just a joke too....


Uh, yeah. What was it about my reply that would make you think I took it otherwise?

lew
October 25, 2017, 12:26
Unless you're on the receiving end of the bloody things.

I would wager that would apply to anything crew-served.

308/223shooter
October 25, 2017, 15:01
I would wager that would apply to anything crew-served.

Yeah, trust me, sometimes no matter how deep the hole you dig, doesn't seem deep enough when heavy rounds are incoming.

hueyville
October 26, 2017, 11:18
Ok, where do you even find Rounds for this thing?

Local gun smith in Dahlonega was building IPSC pistols in mid/late 1980's and had a huge display of mortar rounds, claymore mines and more. To most who asked they were inert training items. He got so entangled in community local Sheriff's department made him a reserve deputy without post certification and a felony conviction had expunged by local judge so able to go into firearms business. Turned out the mortar rounds and claymore mines were all 100% live and he had cases of them. I only had the guy build two IPSC pistols and never even discussed anything illegal as always had too much to lose to do anything not allowed with a $200 tax stamp. Suddenly earlier one morning got a call from the guy wanting to know if needed any "off the books" M16's, live mortars, claymores, current dot gov night vision or anything. Guy pressed hard, continued to refuse, he asked if knew anyone as needed to raise some quick cash and continued to be ignorant. A week or so later about twenty of his former customers were rounded up on felony BATFE violations and he surfaced a couple months later working at a motorcycle shop in Florida as a machinist.

More than once have seen people bring severe violations into gun shops and other places for sale. Many didn't know just found in dad's or grandpa's basement after they passed. If a man wanted mortar rounds and had enough wallet sized photos of dead presidents it's a 50/50 chance if you end up interacting with a real criminal or Federal Agent posing as criminal.
Another example of why gun laws are stupid. If a person really wants mortar rounds or other items it's just a matter of keeping ears tuned and cash in pocket. I was stunned quite some time back when discovered that a Flame Thrower is not ruled as a destructive device by BATFE. My guess is with right corporate front, applications and licensing would just be a matter of having enough investment capital to aquire legally.

Then have guys like the Sons of Guns character breaking every law could imagine from guns, destructive devices, sex crimes and had a television show. I had an odd feeling about them as tried contacting them before first season of show for two personal builds. Was working 10 to 12 days every six weeks in Louisiana doing batteries and rode by his shop several times. Would knock on door, call and leave voice mails and send emails without any response. Wanted two integrally suppressed rifle builds and apparently was not interested or dealing with people didn't know. Show hit air a couple years later and three episodes into first season was glad had not given him any money. But always someone selling out the back door if a man looked, I have no desire to get involved in anything that puts me in prison at all, much less past my natural life expectancy.

Two 17 years Olds in North ATL metro area were arrested this week with multiple bombs were planning on placing in their high school. Two years ago a group of men arrested with many bombs headed for Falcons Stadium and Phillips Arena. In both circumstances law enforcement was just a couple days ahead of deployment. Imagine the Las Vegas bump fire boy having conceived a home brew mortar or bought a military tube with rounds as aparently had the financial resources. Very easy to build, properly placed and disguised could have laid rounds into the crowd for some time. Just steal an 80,000 pound road tractor, hit the fence at 35 mph and push through heart of crowd at a solid 35 till come out fence on other side and keep driving to escape vehicle. From the shoe lace machine gun, rubber band bump fire, home brew mortar to $500 cash and a trip to Home Depot would much rather domestic terrorist have a personal encounter with have a gun than 100 other easy to obrain/build devices such as a box truck and industrial supplies that dropped a building in Oklahoma City.

Like firearms and even tanks, if a man has the money to play with big toys have seen enough of it imagine there is a legal way to do so. My question is how much does it cost per round to play with such a toy?

SAFN49
October 26, 2017, 13:26
Like firearms and even tanks, if a man has the money to play with big toys have seen enough of it imagine there is a legal way to do so. My question is how much does it cost per round to play with such a toy?

A mortar round with more than .25 ounces of explosive starts at $350 +$200 tax stamp per round. So starting at the low low price of $550 per round after you get your FEL, for an additional $200 for the first year and $100 per year to renew, the first round will set you back $750

It's about the the same for grenade launchers.

hueyville
October 26, 2017, 16:25
Thanx for that, when become rich know how much will know how much a mortar will cost to run.

Riversidesports
October 29, 2017, 23:44
Thanx for that, when become rich know how much will know how much a mortar will cost to run.

Well SAFN was only addressing live HE rounds and even if you have a FEL don't hold your breath hoping for a DoD contractor to sell you examples
Very very few licensees can get that level of respect.

Pretty sure Dan Shea has imported live RPG7 rounds in the past that are used in his company training seminars as well as other HE ord however he has Federal contracts.

Something most folks can't get their heads around is even nuclear ordinance at one point is "privately" owned by corporations. It's not like things are manufactured in Federal Arsenals anymore, most everything is contracted out.

Now understand there are ways around the regulation.
Black Powder conversions are the main one.
Back in the 70s Odin International was converting 50mm Soviet mortars to black powder, fuse fired. Been quite a few since done on 60mm Stokes Brandt like our M2.

By the way one of the pervasive myths is black powder artillery can't be in a military bore diameter...that's untrue. It's basis is that many folks went to a diameter appropriate to launching cement filled beer cans. There is No ATF letter stating anything on bore diameter thus your mortar can have a true 60mm bore.

One thing you can't do is fire it by any modern ignition device...no electric ignition, boxer primers, etc. Has to be fuze, friction ignition or cannon lock.

As far as what you can lawfully shoot without a FEL ?
solid shot and home brew pyrotechnics. Nothing that can be considered anti personel though.
The TRUMP rounds are actually just simulators, same principle could be applied to a black powder round...just a 20gauge blank. The rounds do dig in dirt so that's the little explosion you see.
As I recall the company making them self regulates sales of even those rounds to only folks who have a registered 60mm.

Many years ago there was a rather wealthy character north of Fargo ND that owned a mess of heavy ordinance and HE ammo. He had got into it prior to 1968, back then even HE was unregulated by gun laws, it was dead easy to obtain an explosives licence, the main issue was shipping.
During the 68' Amnesty he had registered hundreds of rounds of HE ord.
No clue where everything went when he passed on in the late 80s
Perhaps Lamont as there really were not many DD dealers in that period.

Anyways during Spring break up on the Red River of the North his thing was blasting ice flows.

GOVT1911
October 30, 2017, 10:12
I picked up a pile of 60mm practice rounds from a place about 10-15 yrs ago, Sherluck Manufacturing, I think? I paid around $25 each. They had been bought by them as scrap, IIRC? Most of them were serviceable, but many had fins that were bent. I was able to straighten most of the fins out.

I played around and loaded a lot of smoke and pyrotechnic (fireworks) "flares". I had a registered DD 60mm for years, then ended up selling it to a friend of a friend that HAD to have it......for about 5x what I had into it.

I've thought about building another 60mm for fun, but I may just go with a BP one this time just because it's easier and still able to play around with loading my own rounds.

SAFN49
October 30, 2017, 17:43
Well SAFN was only addressing live HE rounds and even if you have a FEL.



I was also talking about rolling your own "HE" rounds as a FEL.

Anything over .25 ounces of explosives is considered "HE" and a DD.

Right now you are limited to 0.25 ounces of explosives, example black powder, in the Trump rounds. If you want to roll your own and say go with 0.75 ounces of black powder for a bigger bang, you need to have an FEL and register each round as a DD.

Riversidesports
October 30, 2017, 20:55
I was also talking about rolling your own "HE" rounds as a FEL.

Anything over .25 ounces of explosives is considered "HE" and a DD.

Right now you are limited to 0.25 ounces of explosives, example black powder, in the Trump rounds. If you want to roll your own and say go with 0.75 ounces of black powder for a bigger bang, you need to have an FEL and register each round as a DD.

yeah get that. BP though is a bit silly as it's LE. For example hobbiests can load up a quarter ounce picric acid load versus FFFg to make a larger boom under the same exemptions Tannerite has once mixed

Easy shit to fab up, just storage and transit regs SAFN.
the precursors can be found most anywhere

easttex
November 08, 2017, 19:18
Found this a moment ago and had to share

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