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NFADLR
October 02, 2017, 13:18
Looking now to add a light and laser mount to Bayonet lug.

TIA...

hagar
October 02, 2017, 13:43
A scope on a Garand is an exercise in futility. You have to offset it to the left by a couple of inches so the rounds in clips can be inserted. It looks goofy, and will definitely devalue the value of your Garand.

ByronF
October 02, 2017, 13:44
I scratched the "scoped M1" itch by scoping an M14 clone instead. It seems a shame to me to drill on a Garand when an M14 clone can do it better without harming history. But that's just how I feel and I won't judge you for your decision with your property.

ArtBanks
October 02, 2017, 13:55
Having both the M1D and M1C in scoped configurations, I have to agree with the above post about getting an M14 clone. If you are looking for scope only take a look at the Bula Defense Systems XM21. If you want the ability to use irons sights too, look at an M21 DMR.

I don't think Tarheel makes the rings any longer. I do have theirs on an M14 clone with an M84.
Drilling a perfectly good M1 would be a shame in my book.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/IMG_1229_zpsl03z08xc.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/IMG_1229_zpsl03z08xc.jpg.html)http://

XM21.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/IMG_0659_zpsemptwkgn.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/IMG_0659_zpsemptwkgn.jpg.html)

M21 DMR

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/M25withoptics007.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/M25withoptics007.jpg.html)http://

Semper Fi
Art

raubvogel
October 05, 2017, 06:07
You know that as soon as you drill a Garand for a scope you will have to put an AR tactical stock on it...

NFADLR
October 05, 2017, 08:52
Ummm....no...

That's sick and twisted.


You know that as soon as you drill a Garand for a scope you will have to put an AR tactical stock on it...

Tuscan Raider
October 05, 2017, 12:04
Ultimak makes a Scout mount.

raubvogel
October 06, 2017, 05:25
Ummm....no...

That's sick and twisted.

Don't make me say it has to have its barrel chopped to 16" and threaded for an AR muzzle break. :wink:

SPEEDGUNNER
October 06, 2017, 07:59
I believe the receiver on the M-1 Garand is hardened, and drilling and tapping for a scope mount compromises the heat treatment. I think you can send to G&H (Griffin & Howe) and they will do it, as well as retreat the receiver.

12v71
October 06, 2017, 20:57
A puppy, a nun, and a school bus, dies with every hole drilled in a Garand. :sad:

Illurian00
October 06, 2017, 23:06
Sell the M1 to a delusional obstinate retro type collector w/ suede on the elbows of his tweed jacket. Buy a decent AR in 308. Scope the AR. Problem solved.

NFADLR
October 07, 2017, 01:33
Incorrect...

Problem not solved, problem expanded with that tack.

Not that it matters to anyone else but I, the Garand is what I have to use to dispatch a bear or other sized critter that lumbers about in the dark outside.

An AR won't work as I can't leave that type of firearm where I have the Garand, for a lot of reasons but mostly as I'm behind the iron curtain in a communist state known as "State of California" they (government of SOC, likes to impose their will on the citizens of this corporation.

AR15,s and AR10's aren't functional in an emergency situation in the condition that the state here allows.

Thank you everyone for the ideas and comments.

I am not going to drill any holes in this 1940-1941 vintage SA M1 Garand.

What I would do is find a light / laser mount to adapt the bayonet mount to.

The current gas cylinder could be replaced with a sacrificial one to facilitate this adaption.




Sell the M1 to a delusional obstinate retro type collector w/ suede on the elbows of his tweed jacket. Buy a decent AR in 308. Scope the AR. Problem solved.

ByronF
October 07, 2017, 09:06
Well that's a different situation than I'd assumed. Can you have a neutered M1A? They come pretty well neutered already these days (no bayo lug). If not I'd go ahead and try a mount then, but not one that requires drilling the receiver. Maybe a scout mount?

If you can have an M1A then I still think that's the best route.

NFADLR
October 07, 2017, 09:10
Yes, the M1A Is fine with a fake flash hider or a brake and a 10 round mag.

M1A has no pistol grip so it's legal.



Well that's a different situation than I'd assumed. Can you have a neutered M1A? They come pretty well neutered already these days (no bayo lug). If not I'd go ahead and try a mount then, but not one that requires drilling the receiver. Maybe a scout mount?

If you can have an M1A then I still think that's the best route.

12v71
October 07, 2017, 12:36
Incorrect...

Problem not solved, problem expanded with that tack.

Not that it matters to anyone else but I, the Garand is what I have to use to dispatch a bear or other sized critter that lumbers about in the dark outside.

An AR won't work as I can't leave that type of firearm where I have the Garand, for a lot of reasons but mostly as I'm behind the iron curtain in a communist state known as "State of California" they (government of SOC, likes to impose their will on the citizens of this corporation.

AR15,s and AR10's aren't functional in an emergency situation in the condition that the state here allows.

Thank you everyone for the ideas and comments.

I am not going to drill any holes in this 1940-1941 vintage SA M1 Garand.

What I would do is find a light / laser mount to adapt the bayonet mount to.

The current gas cylinder could be replaced with a sacrificial one to facilitate this adaption.

For a good light, the bayonet mount is not a bad idea even if it means sacrificing a bayo in crappy condition to build a mount.

NFADLR
October 07, 2017, 13:59
The question is how parallel would the gas cylinder be to the bore ?

As I would want a laser and a light mounted there.

With independent controls.

Ya have to see what you are shooting at to hit it.


For a good light, the bayonet mount is not a bad idea even if it means sacrificing a bayo in crappy condition to build a mount.

raubvogel
October 07, 2017, 16:43
Stupid suggestion: instead of a scope, what if you removed the rear sight and modified a red dot to fit in its place? Would it be too closed to your face to be effective?

About the light, can you get a M7 grenade launcher and modify it to hold your lights?
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/M7launcher.JPG

Option 2 if that is too scary for CA is to get a MAS 49/56 night sight (http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/MAS_4956NightSight.jpg), put new working tritium thingies, and then weld a rail on the bottom for your light thingie. Remember it was designed to wrap around a 22mm tube, so you will need to be creative.

NFADLR
October 07, 2017, 21:37
Gonna stick to the mount on the gas cylinder and or the bayonet lug.

But my Google Foo is horrid at the moment.

Anyone care to assist in finding a mount for the bayonet lug ?

TIA

OLDMANPBK
October 07, 2017, 22:38
These guys make a scout type mount with an optional light mount. Looks like it would work really well for bears.
http://www.amegamounts.com/product_pages/m1garand.php

Gazz
October 08, 2017, 07:17
Why not adapt a bayonet to hold your laser? I think repros are available and certainly there are many originals out there that have been sharpened on sidewalks or bench grinders that could be donors. Then you would have the added advantage of being able to stab the bear too.

ByronF
October 08, 2017, 08:11
I think the bayo lug idea is a little sketchy. Gas cylinder gets hot! It's also not particularly tight to the barrel, relying on spline fit to not wobble. And as stated before was not designed to be intentionally coaxial to the bore. It might be, or not. Mounting it just like a bayonet guarantees it'll be wobbly and loose, just like a bayonet. UTG scout rail price is not particularly high compared with a serviceable gas cylinder and the pissing around to adapt a laser to it.

0302
October 08, 2017, 09:08
why not just mount some pic rails on the wood handguard? mount the light & laser, good togo.

SPEEDGUNNER
October 08, 2017, 09:17
Your answer may be here:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405337

NFADLR
October 08, 2017, 09:36
Looking for one of these, my gas cylinder is real tight so no worries about it flopping around.

Drawback to this item it may be made for an AR15, not that I couldn't use a mount for an AR, just want one for the garand.


https://i.imgur.com/pYjflhfl.jpg

hueyville
October 08, 2017, 10:56
Looking now to add a light and laser mount to Bayonet lug.

TIA...

OP says light and laser mount using bayonet lug and no mention of scope. But seems like most replies ran down how hard it is to scope this rifle and different ways to do such. One reason my posts become walls of text at time as have to be repetitive and descriptive to hopefully elicit response needed from someone.

Buy a trashed out bayonet, whack it off wherever feel is best for your application and either TIG or MIG weld a section of Picatinny Rail to each side. I would TIG or pay someone that TIG's. Another option I would be willing to bet will work is grind back of pic rail to match contour of remaining blade and use a commercial 3M metal to metal two part adhesive to glue them together. These days metal skin od skyscrapers is attached to steel using adhesives and the LTR equipped dust covers sold here to mount scopes to FAL's are more proof adhesives can join steel and hold up to recoil without scope flying over shoulder. Seems like a fairly simple and elegant solution. I can see potential of attaching pic rails to either side and use surface area provided from bottom of two sections and add a third section of pic rail across bottom perpendicular to others for three sections. If wanted could leave entire blade and have pig sticker on rifle as well.

hueyville
October 08, 2017, 11:36
How about any number of barrel to pic rail, gas tube to pic rail and similar adapters. Have a huge box with dozens of different type adapters that buy or get in junk box trades as opportunity allows. Often they are fine china but sometimes a man is better slumming than spending a day or two one off building a proprietary mount.

http://www.snitactical.com/images/product%20pic/F28.jpg

Bought three light with laser mounts that attach directly to almost any barrel at Wallyworld when they closed out all tactical items similar to this. Had to swap out the flashlight for better unit but laser is fine for shotguns and out to 75 yards.

https://i2.wp.com/ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BRFRzKlnL.jpg?fit=500%2C500

NFADLR
October 08, 2017, 13:17
Looks like some members at the CMP forum are looking for the same setup.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=86820


BTW this is the type of Mount I'm looking for, this one may be for the AR15 bayo lug not sure yet, will order one of these tomorrow.
https://i.imgur.com/pYjflhfl.jpg

With that mount I can mount this combo light and laser, and or a better model.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Streamlight-TLR-Light-Laser-Sight-Combo/1374342.uts?productVariantId=3186811&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03470356&rid=20&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7oLujdPh1gIVT2t-Ch1X9QHlEAQYBCABEgK4n_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


Another from cheaper than dirt, also for a AR platform.
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ema-bayonet-lug-picatinny-rail-adaptor-black-aluminum-ar15-m16-814716010624.do?sortby=shortDescend&page=4&refType=&from=fnhttps://ii.cheaperthandirt.com/fcgi-bin/iipsrv.fcgi?FIF=/images/cheaperthandirt/source/54674_1.tif&wid=1000&cvt=jpeg

hueyville
October 08, 2017, 17:31
That is a Kley-Zion 952488 Bayonet Lug Mount designed for AR bayonet lug. See below link for more of their bayonet adapters. A lot of their products are U.S.Made

https://www.botach.com/kley-zion-accessories/

Clyde Armory sells some of their stuff as well but resellers can be ambiguous about what exact application some devices are for as potentially fit wide variety. Bet if you were close I could set up what need out of my parts and accessories designated for odd mounting issues and rifles for people with physical handicaps. Have done some odd things to make rifle work for guys wounded in Iraq or Afganistan and having trouble hunting. Getting these folk back out in the field is a calling of mine.

Have a new in box laser with light and universal barrel mount can send you, if works it has laser and crappy light but can swap the light. If works I paid about $17 for mount, light and laser with two pressure switches. If doesn't mail back and all it cost is $5 bucks to return. Ended up with three extra all just collecting dust. Put two on shotguns, one on a junk box build AR and holding up.

Edit:
This may be a good thing for a Garand owner wanting to hang stuff off front.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/z9MAAOSwzgRW04A2/s-l400.jpg

http://www.ebay.com/itm/M1-Garand-All-Aluminum-Heavy-Duty-Bipod-and-Adapter-Combo-Picatinny-Weaver-Mount-/381557331195

Here is just the adapter for $16.

https://www.ebay.com/p/M1-Garand-All-Aluminum-Heavy-Duty-Bipod-Adapter-Picatinny-Weaver-Mount/726215599

More M1 schwag:

http://m1surplus.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=135_136

NFADLR
October 08, 2017, 18:23
That works...

Send me a email if you like and I'll get the address to send some coin to you.

Thanks Huey.

hueyville
October 09, 2017, 07:46
PM address, pay only if can use it. Remember it came from Chinamart.

ICOM7800
October 09, 2017, 20:16
Looking now to add a light and laser mount to Bayonet lug.

TIA...

BLASPHEMY!

BiGB808
October 10, 2017, 09:55
Why not use an m1a with 20 round cmi mags. Completely legal in Peoples Repulik of Kalifornia

You have owned and rebuilt 20 round mags for m1as for decades, well before ban.