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gunplumber
September 25, 2017, 17:32
Got a lugged G1 barrel
Coonan type 1
S/EF/DF 4163 lower w/ matching b/bc & type A stock
Lower has a tall rear (2, no line)
barrel is a short block FN w/ G1 lug

customer included a Belgian long for retrofit.
customer included a tall gas block for swap (if it fits the journal)

I have two similar rifles in my collection of photos

Both have the retrofitted Belgian long
one (#1330 a1) has the short closed ear gas block and type A stock
the other (#2786) has the tall open ear gas block and type A stock.

So short or tall?


http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/fal/fal-g1-01.jpg

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/fal/fal-g1-af-03.jpg

hkshooter
September 25, 2017, 18:27
All the A stock rifles I've seen that I believe to be credible examples of original factory rifles have had tall sights. I'd go tall.
Not definitive, of course, but my opinion based on casual observation.

4markk
September 25, 2017, 18:34
All the A stock rifles I've seen that I believe to be credible examples of original factory rifles have had tall sights. I'd go tall.
Not definitive, of course, but my opinion based on casual observation.

+1

That would be a BGS Model b, all had tall gasblocks (short plug).

The low gasblock (long plug) was one of the modifications for the Model c (aka G-1).

gunplumber
September 25, 2017, 18:47
I added above, the pics that had me wondering.

No idea who to credit - just saw n the web and saved to my "FAL/Gallery/G1" file

4markk
September 25, 2017, 19:03
The 1330 a1 is definitely a curiosity.

My "guesses" are:
1) retro fitted later on (maybe to fix a damaged open ear)
2) potential prototype (were there any low gasblocks made in '55?)

embatp
September 26, 2017, 00:33
The B model, according to the Fal book, was the first to have the GEW KAL markings....so the first pictured rifle is a B based on its configuration and markings.......1330 started life as an A and was later converted to AF based on its receiver and serial number markings and bipod configuration....as far as why it has low sights it may be some kind of prototype or modded with the low sights for some other reason....

gunplumber
September 27, 2017, 18:15
I swapped for the tall block and was pleased the journals were exactly the same.

For what it's worth, the barrels pictured above are not G1 QD flash barrels. They are the early Belgian/Izzy (Type A?) and lugged for the pronged bayonet. I discovered this when I threaded the barrel for the Belgian long, and it contacted the QD lug, which is a bit further forward.

So I ended up turning it off the lug entirely.

And now the customer has changed course and traded out on a different kit, so this one is available. I'll get pics when it's reassembled. Refinished paint over park.

Question - tall head bipod legs? I'm assuming so, but it has rollers instead of the solid G1 type, but the roller shaft is hollow, which I don't recall seeing before. Had no legs, but have legs - both the short flat StG and the tall flat G1 (and the tall recessed Argy/Belgian QD style.)

https://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/store/store-fal-misc/store-fal-bipod.jpg

hkshooter
September 27, 2017, 19:07
The flat, tall tabs are early FN and correct for all early FN made BGS through model C.
Short tabs are StG.
Early rifles had the roller plungers. Later, model C rifles introduced the solid non-roller. There are a few variations of the roller plungers and some will swap one way but not the other. I'm not well versed on the different types as I wasn't even aware there was a long and short roller plunger until sometime earlier this year. With different length plungers also come different length springs. For my purposes test fitting to confirm what will and will not swap is the order of the day until I find a definitive word.

embatp
September 27, 2017, 21:24
Mark did you happen to measure the barrel length on that lugged barrel? The flash hider should not have touched the lug....or are you saying the owner was gonna use a G1 barrel?

gunplumber
September 28, 2017, 09:01
Mark did you happen to measure the barrel length on that lugged barrel? The flash hider should not have touched the lug....or are you saying the owne was gonna use a G1 barrel?

It was a G1 barrel with unaltered muzzle. I tested fitted a QD flash hider and it locked on normally. Pretty clean too so probably never went to Turkey. Liege, C on side (but no Cr on face or lug) had a non-matching number which I wiped. Threaded muzzle RH for the Belgian long, and the flash hider would have gone two turns into the lug. IIRC the Type A bayonet lug is further back. I'll post pics in a day or so.

embatp
September 28, 2017, 12:04
It's interesting that it ran into the lug....some guys used G1 barrels for their Cuban builds with the browning flash hider with no issues....

gunplumber
September 28, 2017, 12:42
Well it's in process right now, I'll measure it when it's done. Come to think of it, the QD would fit on a shorter barrel, so I guess that's not a good measurement.

embatp
September 28, 2017, 13:07
If I'm not mistaken the long browning should fit on both lug type barrels without running into the lug....

yellowhand
September 28, 2017, 13:24
I just like that aged metal finish in your pictures above Mark.
That looks like a real "working" rifle, very nice.

gunplumber
September 28, 2017, 18:23
WEll, you were right - barrel is 20.5". Hmmm. So maybe it was a G1 barrel that was threaded, then the threads removed at some point for the import/AW ban? It would have to have been a Belgian short because there was no keyway for the Belgian long locking key.

I will disclose that when put up for sale, I'm sure the block is worth as much as the barrel.

Oh - noticed in blasting - type A trigger & selector.

embatp
September 28, 2017, 19:11
Could have been one of the ex rhodie G1 barrels that were threaded that you see now and again....

4markk
September 28, 2017, 22:54
What does the outside barrel profile around the top of chamber area look like? Is it heavy or sleek?

G-1 barrel (BGS Model a, af and b had the same profile) .....
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86315&stc=1&d=1506657209
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86316&stc=1&d=1506657209

Non-G-1 lugged threaded barrel ....
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86317&stc=1&d=1506657209
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86318&stc=1&d=1506657209

bigstick61
September 29, 2017, 05:58
I've been curious, are the bayonet lugs and lugs for the QD flash suppressors integral with the barrel, or are they a separate part attached to the barrel?

gunplumber
October 10, 2017, 15:41
lugs are machined in - same OD as the sling mount grooves.

Put it up for sale. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419724

embatp
October 10, 2017, 17:20
Good candidate for matching numbers Coonan....