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RobGR
September 24, 2017, 17:32
There are definitely a few things I need to do to get it closer to the SA R1 Para carbine I'm trying to mimic, like getting the correct rear sight, nonetheless, this is where I currently am.

This was build with a Type II DSA receiver and an Imbel kit, all work done by Gunplumber / Arizona Response Systems. Thank you, Mark!

I rattlecanned it with Kylon Khaki & Aervoe Olive Drab. To get the hessian fabric look I found a pair of USGI trousers at a thrift store and then cut it into strips.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16jmev.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/21mrsb7.jpg

Initial issues were related to FTFs. I found a thread by W.E.G that identified the issue I was experiencing and polished up the feed lips inside the DSA receiver. My Stg mags now run flawlessly with MAL ball (currently being found at 40˘/rnd) and my gas is almost all the way closed, while the mag pictured still hiccups on the last few rounds. It's an old beat up mag, I will toss it.

Now to build (have Mark build it) a Favela police special but need to find an Imbel receiver ;)

RobGR
September 24, 2017, 17:34
And this was my reference.

http://i63.tinypic.com/15nufq8.jpg

1911Ron
September 24, 2017, 17:44
Nice, i like it!

OLDMANPBK
September 24, 2017, 17:47
Good work. :cheers:

01BIRDDOG
September 24, 2017, 18:15
Really, really nice.

moonbat60
September 24, 2017, 19:40
Me gusta mucho !

bigstick61
September 24, 2017, 19:49
I like how the FAL in that picture looks. One thing that I noticed is that the folding stock is one of the FN SA-contract folders with the cutaway section to accommodate the tangent sight used on fixed-stock rifles and the sling swivel fitted towards the bottom accordingly.

Out of curiosity, were the SA-contract folding-butt rifles delivered with steel or hiduminium lowers?

SPEEDGUNNER
September 24, 2017, 19:56
I love that picture...great looking rifle and GREAT looking dog!

SteelGreyML
September 24, 2017, 21:36
It looks great! Congrats.

d762nato
September 25, 2017, 04:33
That's a nice job and I believe you have reached your reference point. :bow:

Invictus77
September 25, 2017, 07:13
I like it ! :bow:

pistolero1911
September 25, 2017, 09:26
@RobGR,

Great looking clone! SA anti-poaching is a unique riFAL to say the least.

Here is a link to getting your correct rear sight. Just disassemble a standard rear sight and replace the base with this one.

http://www.the-dealer-warehouse.com/fal-para-rear-sight-base-for-standard-rear-sight-aperture.html

lew
September 25, 2017, 12:04
That's f-in' slick.:bow: A very practical-looking rifle.

bigstick61
September 25, 2017, 14:13
@RobGR,

Great looking clone! SA anti-poaching is a unique riFAL to say the least.

Here is a link to getting your correct rear sight. Just disassemble a standard rear sight and replace the base with this one.

http://www.the-dealer-warehouse.com/fal-para-rear-sight-base-for-standard-rear-sight-aperture.html

That's not actually what's on the rifle in the picture. The rifle has the longer 200-600m tangent sight used on fixed-butt rifles. The knuckle for the stock had material cut away to accomodate it and the knuckles was made so that the rear sling swivel would attach at a lower point. One of the few photos I've seen portraying the SA-contract folder.

RobGR
September 25, 2017, 17:32
@RobGR,

Great looking clone! SA anti-poaching is a unique riFAL to say the least.

Here is a link to getting your correct rear sight. Just disassemble a standard rear sight and replace the base with this one.

http://www.the-dealer-warehouse.com/fal-para-rear-sight-base-for-standard-rear-sight-aperture.html

That's not actually what's on the rifle in the picture. The rifle has the longer 200-600m tangent sight used on fixed-butt rifles. The knuckle for the stock had material cut away to accomodate it and the knuckles was made so that the rear sling swivel would attach at a lower point. One of the few photos I've seen portraying the SA-contract folder.

Thank you, both, good info.

bigstick61
September 25, 2017, 17:51
This is one of the only other pictures that I've ever seen of the SA-contract folder:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/19020PDC_0059.jpg

klaus486
September 25, 2017, 19:16
Very cool rifle my man!

I hope you can get her running as good as she looks!

G3isMe
September 26, 2017, 04:09
Rifle looks great. And a awesome first post. Welcome to the files and keep on posting like this one. ...:bow:......:bow:.....:bow:..

super_trouper
October 01, 2017, 09:56
Glad I happened upon this! I’ve been considering doing a similar “clone” with my 18” para, though obviously mine wouldn’t be 100% clone correct.

What mount are you running with that aimpoint?

hansellhd
October 01, 2017, 12:46
Nice work, beautiful Rifle. :bow:

PvtJoker
October 02, 2017, 05:09
Very nice job on the rifle!

eternal24k
October 03, 2017, 08:18
Nicely done! Rare when an inspired/clone pulls it off so well. How does she shoot?

raexcct2
October 04, 2017, 00:43
There are definitely a few things I need to do to get it closer to the SA R1 Para carbine I'm trying to mimic, like getting the correct rear sight, nonetheless, this is where I currently am.

This was build with a Type II DSA receiver and an Imbel kit, all work done by Gunplumber / Arizona Response Systems. Thank you, Mark!

I rattlecanned it with Kylon Khaki & Aervoe Olive Drab. To get the hessian fabric look I found a pair of USGI trousers at a thrift store and then cut it into strips.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16jmev.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/21mrsb7.jpg

Initial issues were related to FTFs. I found a thread by W.E.G that identified the issue I was experiencing and polished up the feed lips inside the DSA receiver. My Stg mags now run flawlessly with MAL ball (currently being found at 40˘/rnd) and my gas is almost all the way closed, while the mag pictured still hiccups on the last few rounds. It's an old beat up mag, I will toss it.

Now to build (have Mark build it) a Favela police special but need to find an Imbel receiver ;)

I like it a lot as I was collecting the parts to build the same exact rifle but I decided to use my type 2 receiver on a Belgian M3 clone instead. I am planning on using one of the latest DSA R1 forged receivers for the SA Anti poaching unit FAL clone. Not authentic but who cares.

2keylows
October 04, 2017, 16:42
Rifle looks great man.
I remember stumbling across that pic and always wanted something like it.

What did you use the "wear" the rifle down?

klaus486
October 04, 2017, 19:05
Why "fake" it? Make one up and USE it! It'll look like that soon enough with regular spray paint. My 2 cents anyway...

Got to admit I do love the way both rifles look.

2keylows
October 04, 2017, 22:14
^ A brothas just impatient lol.
I see what you mean though each will be unique to the user.

Texgunner
October 05, 2017, 08:02
Congrats! That's a cool looking rifle! :bow:

RobGR
October 05, 2017, 12:59
Nicely done! Rare when an inspired/clone pulls it off so well. How does she shoot?

Shoots well after fixing the feeding issues by smoothing out the feed lips on the interior of the receiver. My Stg mags are 100% reliable as of now, but my other older mags are still giving some issues with FTFs.

RobGR
October 05, 2017, 13:02
Rifle looks great man.
I remember stumbling across that pic and always wanted something like it.

What did you use the "wear" the rifle down?

I used those green heavy duty scouring scotch pads. I also dragged it around the back yard in the dirt once or twice and rubbed sand/gravel in a few areas.

MFC
December 19, 2017, 15:19
One of my all time favorite "modern" FAL's. Nice job!

Edgartwib
December 19, 2017, 15:53
That is a nice looking riFAL! :bow:

I think I found my next build. :fal:

RobGR
January 12, 2018, 15:13
UPDATE on DSA railed top cover. I replaced all the screws on the top cover. After loctiting and shooting, discovered they were loose! I removed them only to find the screws were stripping. I believe this issue has been documented before. I purchased some industrial screws from Fastenal and replaced the DSA screws. I will see how those hold up.

2keylows
February 10, 2018, 01:49
Good to know.
Do you know how your zero was holding with the older DSA screw set?

raexcct2
February 10, 2018, 13:12
UPDATE on DSA railed top cover. I replaced all the screws on the top cover. After loctiting and shooting, discovered they were loose! I removed them only to find the screws were stripping. I believe this issue has been documented before. I purchased some industrial screws from Fastenal and replaced the DSA screws. I will see how those hold up.

What size were those screws so I can get some spares for my DSA railed top cover?

super_trouper
August 28, 2018, 07:56
There are definitely a few things I need to do to get it closer to the SA R1 Para carbine I'm trying to mimic, like getting the correct rear sight, nonetheless, this is where I currently am.

This was build with a Type II DSA receiver and an Imbel kit, all work done by Gunplumber / Arizona Response Systems. Thank you, Mark!

I rattlecanned it with Kylon Khaki & Aervoe Olive Drab. To get the hessian fabric look I found a pair of USGI trousers at a thrift store and then cut it into strips.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16jmev.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/21mrsb7.jpg

Initial issues were related to FTFs. I found a thread by W.E.G that identified the issue I was experiencing and polished up the feed lips inside the DSA receiver. My Stg mags now run flawlessly with MAL ball (currently being found at 40˘/rnd) and my gas is almost all the way closed, while the mag pictured still hiccups on the last few rounds. It's an old beat up mag, I will toss it.

Now to build (have Mark build it) a Favela police special but need to find an Imbel receiver ;)

Is yours (and the original) a 17.3 or is 16” Para?

Rondog
August 28, 2018, 15:55
What size were those screws so I can get some spares for my DSA railed top cover?
I replaced mine with #8-32 screws industrial grade Torx drive head. Purchased 5/16 in long and filed to length as needed to get full thread engagement in plates. Cheap DSA slotted screws were too short and stripped on my rails also. Took a piece of flat stock and drilled hole to hold screws while filing to just right length. Torqued to 25 in pounds . DSA instructions said 36 - 46 in.lbs. but they seem to be doing alright so far at 25. Good luck.

raexcct2
August 28, 2018, 16:24
Thanks for the information.

imacoonass01
August 28, 2018, 16:56
A couple of Plain Jane's.

https://i.imgur.com/QpCSI5C.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P7SXNVt.jpg

raexcct2
August 28, 2018, 16:58
Just the shot I needed. I wasn’t sure if it took a standard or folding charging handle.

308/223shooter
August 28, 2018, 20:09
I see a Moses mag in tje front Fal.

Pusha
August 28, 2018, 21:47
I see a Moses mag in tje front Fal.

Looks like they have those Rhino engraved receivers DSA offered a few years ago

bigstick61
August 30, 2018, 18:36
Is yours (and the original) a 17.3 or is 16” Para?

Looks like it's a 17.2", or a cut-down that's relatively close to there. The spacing between the combo device and gas block is about the same as the length of the combo device.

ETA. Looking at the original more closely, it appears to be shorter than that. Probably in the vicinity of 16 3/4", I'm guessing 425mm or something like that. Almost certainly a cut-down barrel if it's an odd length like that.

Probably one of the FN SA-contract folding butt rifles (I forget if they were 50.61s or 50.64s; does anyone here remember?) with the barrel cut down to that length and rethreaded, with the receiver and top cover replaced by a DSA Type 2 CHC receiver from the evaluation rifles they sent before they got the contract and a DSA scope mount, respectively (which were supposedly fixed-butt rifles), and the carry handle cut off with the ring left in place.

tiblow
September 04, 2018, 17:32
KUDO's...... NICE Clone work you've done there!! :bow::beer:

tiblow
September 04, 2018, 17:35
.....Oh, and one other thing, anyone know what that magazine is in that chaps rifle who's walking to the right in the top pic (with the binos on)???

It looks like a plastic or non-metal magazine of some sort, anyone have a handle on that mag?

imacoonass01
September 04, 2018, 17:41
.....Oh, and one other thing, anyone know what that magazine is in that chaps rifle who's walking to the right in the top pic (with the binos on)???

It looks like a plastic or non-metal magazine of some sort, anyone have a handle on that mag?

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