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grumpy1
September 17, 2017, 11:43
I have a daughter who will be turning 12 next year and have been thinking about getting her a 1911 type pistol and getting back into IDPA shooting. My daughter is on the small side so I've ruled out any full size full power pistol. What I have been looking at is either the Browning Black Lable in 380 auto or 22LR. Both of these are smaller copies of the 1911. As she would be in the junior division she could use either caliber. I like the fact that the 1911 has multiple safeties even tho I like Glocks I would want her to have something with something that I can see that the safety is on or off.

Any one with any feedback on these two pistols would be greatly appreciated. I'm kind of shying away from the 22LR because I grew up when 22LR was unreliable.

Also if you have another pistol that would good to look at throw those out too.

Invictus77
September 17, 2017, 11:57
The Walther made 22lr 1911s are pretty solid. Mine is labeled as a "Colt Gold Cup", but the same gun is sometimes labeled "Govt Model" and even non-Colt brands I believe.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/10/gun-review-coltwalther-government-1911a1-22lr/

fnogger
September 17, 2017, 12:31
My 12 year old daughter (who is now 17) could handle a GI 1911 OK, but she preferred the GSG 1911-22.

Her favorite of the 1911s I've had though was the Llama in 380 - scale model, but pure 1911 mechanics. I guess the Browning offering would be the closest thing you can get new today.

I'd look at the Rock Island in 9mm, with or without the 22TCM kit. I'd also look at the RIA XT-22, their 22 conversion for 1911 (you can get a kit w/ centerfire and 22lr as package) since it is all steel, unlike the zamak or whatever the GSG/SIG/etc use.

I'd also consider the CZ75/SP01/P01 series and variations, and the CZ Kadet. Note that the Kadet unit for the poly CZs is MUCH cheaper than the one for the 75/85

As far as reliable rimfire goes, just avoid the mass bulk crap. Start with CCI SV, maybe move up to the Norma TAC-22 or other low end target ammo (SK Std+, Wolf MT, Geco for Semi-Autos) and ignition reliability issues go away.

Wildcat
September 18, 2017, 17:41
Are her hands big enough for a 1911?

Do you handload?

Some bullseye loads would be a great introductory way to start with the full size 1911.

...or, the 9mm can be loaded to 380 levels.

That way all you would need to do is change a recoil spring. If you know anyone who shoots bullseye matches, you might pick their brain on the subject of an entry level load for the 1911 and the springs to match. They might let her try a few shots to see if she's comfortable with the set-up.

gentlemanjoe
September 18, 2017, 18:02
Have the little Browning 1911/22 and the kids love it. Big hands might get a little hammer bite. My biggest problem with it is the sights are small but for point shooting it doesn't matter to me.

Texgunner
September 18, 2017, 23:18
A Star BM is a nice size 1911-type pistol in 9mm. But, maybe the recoil would be too much for her size.

Black Blade
September 18, 2017, 23:25
A basic RIA 1911 should be a good decent priced beginners pistol.

grumpy1
September 19, 2017, 23:02
Thanks for everyone's input.
To address some of the questions that were asked:
1) hand size, very small and she only weights about 70 pounds. I don't think she could grip a full size 1911 properly. Part of the reason I was looking at a reduced size.
2) yes I reload and have dies for most handgun rounds.
3) I do have a stash of good 22LR ammo. Just remembering back to when I was her age and how 22LR wouldn't always fire.

Again thanks for your suggestions.

jugrunner
September 21, 2017, 17:06
very much like the 1911, scaled down, Star Model S .. 380 ACP, is the most wonderful "small" pistol I've ever owned .. I should have bought 100 of them back in the day .. !! .. $125 ea.

Fairly expensive and rare today IIRC ..

beautiful little solid steel gun .. fit my hand like a glove .. :cry:

Herr Walther
September 21, 2017, 17:59
What about Colt's 1911 in .380? Isn't that supposed to be two thirds the size of a regular full size 1911?

http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/pistols/1911-380.html

Riversidesports
September 23, 2017, 09:05
We have a baby Llama .22 for sale. 99%+
Comes with the original plastic grips as well as a mounted pair of checkered rosewood.

These are extremely compact 1911 pattern pistols, a bit less than 3/4 scale.
standard 1911 controls including grip safety. All steel guns, no plastic or pot metal. I'd nearly be tempted to say unfired but I know it's been shot a few times.

Super quality little guns, about the right size for a young girl
here's a pic of one:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/f6/fa/d1f6fa4511c64595918dca712550250c.jpg

I have no real input on the current "Browning" etc offerings other than to note much of the .22 crap being sold is half pot metal junk

Winniepooh
September 24, 2017, 21:04
.22lr is good, give her practice clearing jams!