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Larry Vickers
September 09, 2017, 23:52
Does anybody have pics of the crest, if there was one, on the receiver ? I have my eye on an FAL with an unusual crest and the best I can surmise is it is a Greek contract rifle.

Thanx in advance

Larry Vickers
Vickers Tactical Inc.

satisfief
September 10, 2017, 00:47
I like most of your videos Larry. Sorry I can't help with the crest.

Larry Vickers
September 10, 2017, 01:13
I like most of your videos Larry. Sorry I can't help with the crest.

Thanks !

7.62mm_NATO
September 10, 2017, 01:39
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Lebanon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Lebanon

Larry Vickers
September 10, 2017, 07:12
I would say Lebanon is it !! Thanks fir the help - next question; does anyone know the exact configuration the rifles were delivered to Lebanon ? Handguards and such ?

VALMET
September 10, 2017, 09:14
While I don't have it in front of me, I believe Stevens' book has contract rifle info in the third section if you haven't already checked there? Good luck

gunplumber
September 10, 2017, 10:27
greek contract were Type IIs with stg handguards/bipod; short combo; plastic grip and humpback stock.

Lebanese Philangist Militia have been seen with 50:00 plastic handguards sans bipod

7.62mm_NATO
September 10, 2017, 13:05
greek contract were Type IIs with stg handguards/bipod; short combo; plastic grip and humpback stock.

Lebanese Philangist Militia have been seen with 50:00 plastic handguards sans bipod

Earlier Greek FALs did have steel hand guards but they're a unique variation with a gas regulator stop flange riveted to the left side.

nwobhm
September 10, 2017, 14:23
Most likely have the FN profile too.

Impala_Guy
September 16, 2017, 19:47
Greek coat of arms on MS and some Mauser rifles was a cross in a square. Sometimes with a wreath around it or a crown above it and sometimes not. Gun show loudmouths will try to pass them off as Swiss rifles. Wonder if the Hellenic FALs had this same simple coat of arms? Greeks are tough, good natured people, why the phluq they love socialism so much I'll never understand.

embatp
September 16, 2017, 20:17
Let's see some pics

WILD HOND
September 17, 2017, 13:07
Totally off topic But Larry I also enjoy your videos. I am in South Africa and like your review on the CR21.

Greetings from South Africa.

MGMike
September 17, 2017, 14:22
Greek coat of arms on MS and some Mauser rifles was a cross in a square. Sometimes with a wreath around it or a crown above it and sometimes not. ...Wonder if the Hellenic FALs had this same simple coat of arms? ...

Many years ago at a Greek Army base I asked a sentry if he would present his FAL specifically so I could see if it had a crest. He obliged, and it did not. If memory serves me it was merely property-marked "EΣ" (Epsilon Sigma; Elliniko Strato, i.e., Greek Army.) Later when I commented about it to a former Greek officer, he shrugged and lamented the disappearance of such distinctive and elaborate touches on small arms; even the cartouche of St. George slaying the dragon is gone, replaced by institutional logos and acronyms. This is akin to the replacement of the arsenal inspector's initials on U.S. rifles by the impersonal Department of Defense eagle.

I think that Greek artillery pieces still have brass ikons depicting Saint Barbara, the patron saint of artillery ("death from afar"), mounted inside the splinter shield. But maybe not.

The crest on older Greek rifles is the Cross of St. George, not in a "square" but on a shield. Whether the shield is surmounted by a crown depends on whether Greece was, in that particular period, a monarchy or a republic. Most Greek Mausers have a crown; Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbines delivered just before do not.

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gska3873
September 17, 2017, 15:50
Let's see some pics

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/691612366

bigstick61
September 17, 2017, 18:31
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/691612366

Is that actually Greek? Looks like the receiver marking is a tree. Almost made my think Cyprus or Lebanon instead, but the style of the tree isn't right for that.

I did see a picture of a Greek FALO and it did not appear to have any markings on the side of the mag well. The pictures of Greek folding-butt rifles (not sure if they are 50.61s or 50.64s) that I saw did not let one see that area.

gska3873
September 17, 2017, 20:29
Is that actually Greek? Looks like the receiver marking is a tree. Almost made my think Cyprus or Lebanon instead, but the style of the tree isn't right for that.

I did see a picture of a Greek FALO and it did not appear to have any markings on the side of the mag well. The pictures of Greek folding-butt rifles (not sure if they are 50.61s or 50.64s) that I saw did not let one see that area.

Those are photo's of the one Larry was referring to. I believe the consensus ended up being it was a Lebanese contract.

bigstick61
September 17, 2017, 20:37
Those are photo's of the one Larry was referring to. I believe the consensus ended up being it was a Lebanese contract.

Interesting, so I guess they used the metal handguards, too. Looks like it has the tallest of the grenade sight gas plugs.

Impala_Guy
September 17, 2017, 21:27
Those are photo's of the one Larry was referring to. I believe the consensus ended up being it was a Lebanese contract.


Female Phalangist Christian militia with Type IIIs with the cedar tree on it.

https://i.imgur.com/T6F9H1S.jpg