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satisfief
September 09, 2017, 14:26
I've seen renditions,

Open ears, closed ears, sand cuts, Paras, 18" 21", L1A1 mag releases, British type muzzle device, non rotating carry handle...

What does a "real" one look like?

https://i.imgur.com/0gybLYy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SOcBv8j.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/umeUURj.jpg

OLDMANPBK
September 09, 2017, 14:52
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387220

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288627

Missing a lot of pics thanks to photobucket but there's still some good ones in there.

https://i.imgur.com/NIBVusFl.jpg

satisfief
September 09, 2017, 15:24
Outstanding, so if I use an imbel device on an open eared argy barrel, with an l1a1 mag release, tall rear sight, and imbel furniture it'll look like a real deal.

johnnycobra
September 09, 2017, 15:53
Outstanding, so if I use an imbel device on an open eared argy barrel, with an l1a1 mag release, tall rear sight, and imbel furniture it'll look like a real deal.

Maybe you are being sarcastic, but any L1A1 parts associated with Argies are likely only because Century Arms made butthole sporter rifles with L1A1 partd kits and Argie type 3 receivers originally. Some people made them into L1A1s with correct pg and buttstock, but otherwise fancy mag releases, folding charging handles and folding rear sights dont belong on correct argies.

There are tall site argies with open ears and low sight (closed ear) or para site Argies, but no folding sites.

There are heavy barrels (FAP) and Paras, there are lugged barrels with no FH and short combo FH on threaded barrels.

I dont recall anything but type 3 receivers though...

JonnyP
September 09, 2017, 16:05
Here's a tour of the Argentine National Arms museum, you will see that there are numerous configurations.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413035

12v71
September 09, 2017, 16:53
Here's a tour of the Argentine National Arms museum, you will see that there are numerous configurations.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413035

You really need to hire me as a consultant for trips like that. :devil:

satisfief
September 09, 2017, 16:58
Maybe you are being sarcastic, but any L1A1 parts associated with Argies are likely only

I'm not being sarcastic. I actually don't know, since when I search "arg------ FAL" I get hundreds of variations.

I also thought open ears were specifically an L1A1 thing, not a FAL thing?

johnnycobra
September 09, 2017, 17:01
I'm not being sarcastic. I actually don't know, since when I search "arg------ FAL" I get hundreds of variations.

I also thought open ears were specifically an L1A1 thing, not a FAL thing?


Cool. I woke up from my nap in a bad mood. Lol.

There are lots of variants.

johnnycobra
September 09, 2017, 17:26
Of the photos you posted number one best describes the Argentine Paras in wide use and that were surplused here from the National Police that country. There are variations over time beginning with the lugged open ear high line of sight to the lower line of sight and closed ear threaded barrels. HBs, also short paras produced. None used anything outside normal metric patterns or inch style parts....here's one with scope and riser added; but pretty much exactly the one you posted up first.

So Argies CAN have inch parts? I thought the had strictly metric configs

the gman
September 09, 2017, 17:34
So Argies CAN have inch parts? I thought the had strictly metric configs

No, only metric. No inch parts.

johnnycobra
September 09, 2017, 17:37
No, only metric. No inch parts.


I believed so too, I know Mr. Lehrman is pretty knowledgeable, so when he said "None used anything outside normal metric patterns or inch style parts." My ears perked up to see what that was about.

the gman
September 09, 2017, 21:10
I believed so too, I know Mr. Lehrman is pretty knowledgeable, so when he said "None used anything outside normal metric patterns or inch style parts." My ears perked up to see what that was about.

I think Dean was referring to the open ear style gas block which resembles the inch gas block hence "inch style parts." The Argy open ear block however doesn't use the inch front sight with a securing screw in the front of the gas block.

James
September 10, 2017, 07:46
Outstanding, so if I use an imbel device on an open eared argy barrel, with an l1a1 mag release, tall rear sight, and imbel furniture it'll look like a real deal.

I'n not 100% positive but if you have open ear sites it does not use a flash hider. Check the picture above and the one on the left is how they look.

James

johnnycobra
September 10, 2017, 07:54
I'n not 100% positive but if you have open ear sites it does not use a flash hider. Check the picture above and the one on the left is how they look.

James

SAC Latta Guns had open ears and threadded bbls. They had smooth, no grenade ring flashiders. There was discussion as to whether that FH was police/civilian argentine or ban era for export. I'm not sure if open ear threaded was a military, police config or export. You would think open ears were for early features, but Latta guns were some of the latest sold, type 3 with plastic stocks.

DakTo
September 10, 2017, 08:26
The open ear FN gas block was original metric and unlike the copied L1A1 inch open ear gas block the metric has a threaded gas regulator and front sight post verses the inch circle shaped clip gas regulator and a blade front sight which was secured by a retaining screw. The Argentine FMAP did not employ any L1A1 parts.

The earliest FMAP 50.00 FAL's did not have a flash hider and were copies of the FN Type M1 & M2 FAL's. ARMSCORP imported these kits and built them on their T48 Type 3 receivers. I purchased several in the M2 models with the lower front and rear sights. ARMSCORP was the major importer of the FMAP FAL's which all had open ear front sights.
Pedro Bello also imported a number of the later model FMAP with the lower front sight and 2 position rear sight and if I am not mistaken National Arms was actually the first to import a limited number of open ear FMAP FAL's.

satisfief
September 10, 2017, 08:32
Falfiles is life.

DakTo
September 10, 2017, 08:49
SAC Latta Guns had open ears and threadded bbls. They had smooth, no grenade ring flashiders. There was discussion as to whether that FH was police/civilian argentine or ban era for export. I'm not sure if open ear threaded was a military, police config or export. You would think open ears were for early features, but Latta guns were some of the latest sold, type 3 with plastic stocks.

I would like to clear this up a little. I would side with the premise that the smooth front and no grenade seating ring of the FMAP imported flash hider was a possible US import compromise.
There were no actual imported SAC Latta, SC import guns per se, I believe. But only with a separation the receivers, front end and lower assembly prior to customs release. If memory serves the uppers were sold by DS Arms which included the barreled front end and bolt & carrier. Global sold the lower assembly along with the flash hider and the SAC receivers were dispersed to several distributors. I think DS Arms sold the lion's share of those receivers and converted some to Type 1.

Exit308
September 10, 2017, 08:51
Here are some examples.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6b/45/44/6b4544e1ab1c7aa4fc1a6c0eb07e96f9.jpg

G3isMe
September 10, 2017, 18:01
Here are some examples....



I love that picture. There is a little of everything in there, paras, heavy barrels, wood stocks, plastic stocks,........:bow::bow:

.

lysanderxiii
September 13, 2017, 14:41
I love that picture. There is a little of everything in there, paras, heavy barrels, wood stocks, plastic stocks,........:bow::bow:

.Knowing that almost all of them ended up at the bottom of various parts of the South Atlantic makes me sad . . .

762-4-U
October 02, 2017, 18:31
the picture says it all

2barearms
October 02, 2017, 21:34
The open eared argie gas blocks are basically the same as the Izzy early gas gas blocks. It also needs a tall rear sight just like the Izzy. They use the same square front sight posts.

raexcct2
October 04, 2017, 11:16
Of the photos you posted number one best describes the Argentine Paras in wide use and that were surplused here from the National Police that country. There are variations over time beginning with the lugged open ear high line of sight to the lower line of sight and closed ear threaded barrels. HBs, also short paras produced. None used anything outside normal metric patterns or inch style parts....here's one with scope and riser added; but pretty much exactly the one you posted up first.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4480/36826802683_a6228de57b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Y7fZpR)ArgieParaBuild (https://flic.kr/p/Y7fZpR) by tailpipe_cct (https://www.flickr.com/photos/14631966@N08/), on Flickr

I like this picture as I was collecting parts for an Argy Para to replace the FWRA Argy Paras that I had to sell to pay bills over the years. I really want to find an original para top cover and not the Argy STANAG scope top cover but I am having no luck. I do not want to use a DSA Para top cover as there are nothing but problems with them. Anybody have a spare Imbel or Argy para top cover?

raexcct2
October 04, 2017, 16:45
I like this picture as I was collecting parts for an Argy Para to replace the FWRA Argy Paras that I had to sell to pay bills over the years. I really want to find an original para top cover and not the Argy STANAG scope top cover but I am having no luck. I do not want to use a DSA Para top cover as they are nothing but problems with them. Anybody have a spare Imbel or Argy para top cover?

I've got one on hand but from the FWRA group buy years gone by....it had the carrier retention nose nipped for use in a conversion (not the para cut receiver). Many of those in the group buy arrived in such condition, I simply made the best of my own need for optics due to age and put 4x optics on it, with a nose cut STANAG cover. Problem solved. With no nose on the cover at least you'd still be with a cover that is properly welded and assembled and a guide rod that'll last/retain the spring set as it should. Long time back to when Mark was peddling these and I did most of my business direct with Jerry @ Recon...[/QUOTE]

PM / E-Mail sent.

G3isMe
October 04, 2017, 16:57
...I really want to find an original para top cover and not the Argy STANAG scope top cover but I am having no luck. ...

My ignorance is showing. What is difference between the Argie para and a Argie STANAG top cover. Does the "original" not have a scope mount?

raexcct2
October 04, 2017, 17:01
My ignorance is showing. What is difference between the Argie para and a Argie STANAG top cover. Does the "original" not have a scope mount?

I can only find an Argy STANAG scope mount Para top cover. I want an Argy, FN, or Imbel para top cover with no scope mount. Nose cut or original nose is fine; just trying to find one that is not DSA.