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jamie930
June 17, 2002, 22:37
I got a NIB Ruger 10/22 for a $100 Someone had hung the Marlin Model 60 tag on it. So I snatched it up :D]

Below was added after I had read the posts after the starter post. Due to others calling me dishonest, thief, and other not so nice names.




On the Wed or Thursday of last week I saw the 10/22 in the case marked for $100. I asked then if the tag was correct, the guy said "No the correct price is $160, but I will you 10% off for catching the mistake" so I left. Came back on the Monday 3 or 4 days later to find it still marked the same. I again asked the for the price and the clerk noticed the $160 tag at the bottom of the case then looked at the tag knowing that it was marked wrong and was told then "What the tag reads" So at that time I started the paperwork. After the paperwork was done it rang up at the correct price. At that time I said if the price is $160 I dont want to buy it, but they gave me the discounted price of $100. I dont see how this is dishonest in any way. They had several times to fix their mistake even a chance to cancel the sale but choose not to!

SoManyGun'sSoLittleTime
June 17, 2002, 22:40
ROTFLMFAO :D that is to funny

Viking Warrior
June 17, 2002, 23:14
I have to admit, its very funny.
A few months ago i went to Big Five to buy some 22LR ammo, the box was marked $1.44 and it was a case... LOL,,,
Now if it was my shop I would be pissed off for losing money...

madecov
June 17, 2002, 23:39
20 years ago I ripped off K mart.
I was purchasing a camera for a planned honeymoon ( still have her)
I walked into k-mart and they had a Cannon AE-1 on sale with the 50mm f1.8 lens, clerk says where out of the 1.8 would you take the 1.4 ?
the tag on the AE-1 was also the price that the lower model AV-1 should have had. I said let me think about it, OK I'll take it! :D

back then I was into photography big time and this was my first really good camera. Boy it's cool when the clerks in a department have no idea of what they are doing .

At the same time Fiance' at the time found a box of artificial X-mas trees marked at a really stupid low price so we bought it. Got it home and it was a case of the little table top models and the price was supposed to be each, everyone got little trees that year.

Seaweed
June 18, 2002, 00:35
No wonder my Walmart stock is on the long easy slide.

gunnut1
June 18, 2002, 01:47
One of the guys I used to work with bought a set of really high dollar golf clubs from Dillard when they were getting out of sporting goods for a really low price.

He went in the day of the clearance sale and found a set of these clubs, I don't remember the name for like $400.00. Dillards was having a 50% off sale to clear out the sporting goods. They had already marked the clubs down on the the tag to $200.00. He picked them up and took then to the counter. The cleark checked him out and took another $100.00 off. So he got a set of $400.00 clubs for $100.00. Why can't I ever find "deals" like that?

woodie
June 18, 2002, 02:00
I got a couple of 308 Galil mags at a gun show a while back, someone mixed up the prices between the 12 rnd and 25 rnd mags. I waited for the youngest gal to help me and got 6 of them for $30 each. I did feel bad, but them again the FAL mags were $15 each, and well used.

raybo51
June 18, 2002, 07:43
Too bad none of you folks have a conscience!

MDC_Champaign
June 18, 2002, 08:07
Originally posted by raybo51
Too bad none of you folks have a conscience!

Agree.

Um, am I the only one who thinks what you did was <gasp!> wrong?

xIA
June 18, 2002, 08:19
Nope.
Especially to the guy at the gun show.

CavVet
June 18, 2002, 09:07
Make that 4 of us in a row to check in.....


I like to say " Right is right and left is wrong".....


This time I guess its simply wrong is wrong.......





Maybe some us have become infected with the liberals values, or lack thereof...next we will the good righteous gun folks comin out of the closet......

KJack
June 18, 2002, 09:15
You fellows who gloat about these "good deals" strike me as hpocritical )#@$(*). Yeah, right....you got a "good deal" by engaging in duplicity by ommission. What a bunch of dishonest assholes. Maybe you'd do the same thing to a waiter who forgot to charge you for something. You sound like government employees, or people who never ran a business, or were responsible for their own bottom line.
"Oh, screw it...they can afford it." Your line of moral ambiguity demonstrates a phony morality. I can just hear your plaintive wailing if the shoe was on the other foot.
Jerks.

law4fun
June 18, 2002, 09:54
Newbies coming in calling long time board members "dishonest assholes"? I would rethink the wording of my posts regardless of your thoughts on the issues.

bookertbab
June 18, 2002, 10:23
How long someone has been a member of this board doesn?t excuse immoral behavior. These are values we have learned, or didn?t learn long before we ever owned a FAL or came to the FALFiles. If people post in a public forum that they rip people off and are happy to do it, then others have the right to put in their comments in that same public forum. I'm not sure I would say it's right to use the same language used in the posts though.

law4fun
June 18, 2002, 10:28
I did not comment on the moral value only calling other members "dishonest assholes". I agree as to the moral aspect.

fnfalman
June 18, 2002, 10:30
What you people did was not illegal because Wallly World employees hung the price tags and not because you people switching them around. However, what you people did was dishonest. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

If you people were honest then you would have taken corrective actions. What you did wasn't exactly thievery but pretty damn close. Wal-Mart can afford the loss of a couple of hundred bucks, but that's not the point.

Last year, at Trader Joe's, I bought a bottle of 1997 Chateau Margaux (to the uninitiated, it's one of the best wine makers in the world). The price tag was $149. The clerk rung it up as $49 dollars. I told him that he needed to recalculate my tab. He was most happy, and the manager came out to thank me profusely. For a moment there, I thought about taking off with the tab as it was since it wasn't me that made the mistake. But then I asked myself how much is honor worth. I don't know how much my honor's worth, but I know that it's worth more than a couple hundred bucks.

Just my rant on the thread.

FALPhil
June 18, 2002, 10:30
OTOH, Kjack has a point that should not be overlooked. I try to treat people the same way I'd like to be treated (I'm not always successful, mind you, but I try.) If I am suspect that I am grossly undercharged, I will point it out. But I do enjoy an honest bargain.

I don't think I would use the term "dishonest assholes", but I could, in good conscience, use the term "ethically challenged", because it is an ethics issue.

I live in a glass house. Feel free to call me on my ethics any time (as some board members do!) :)
Originally posted by law4fun
Newbies coming in calling long time board members "dishonest assholes"? I would rethink the wording of my posts regardless of your thoughts on the issues.

TheOtherChris
June 18, 2002, 10:33
Originally posted by jamie930
I ripped Wal mart off tonight

Yes, you did.:confused:

To me, this is no different than when the clerk gives you the wrong amount of change in return.
I would return the change and explain that they gave me too much. In this case, I would have told the clerk that the price was obviously incorrect and that he should verify it. *If* he insisted that it was right, I would have bought the gun.

The Other Chris

law4fun
June 18, 2002, 10:39
Originally posted by FALPhil
OTOH, Kjack has a point that should not be overlooked. I try to treat people the same way I'd like to be treated (I'm not always successful, mind you, but I try.) If I am suspect that I am grossly undercharged, I will point it out. But I do enjoy an honest bargain.

I don't think I would use the term "dishonest assholes", but I could, in good conscience, use the term "ethically challenged", because it is an ethics issue.

I live in a glass house. Feel free to call me on my ethics any time (as some board members do!) :)


"ethically challenged"....I like that. I totally agree that Kjack has a point that should not be overlooked. Deception, especially when it is known and unmentioned is wrong. However, the term used to describe the member(s) is inappropriate.

Derby FALs
June 18, 2002, 10:59
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Play Ball!

FWRA
June 18, 2002, 11:12
Originally posted by Derby FALs
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Play Ball!

Heh heh!

Touche! :D

FWRA

cz75fan
June 18, 2002, 11:13
Keep one thought in mind and I truly believe this in life, but "what goes around comes around" Have a nice day:)

Rick

elmer fudd
June 18, 2002, 11:45
I'll agree with you about the gunshows being ripoffs. I just bought an FAL a couple weeks ago, but I went to check them out at the gun show first. They were trying to get $750 bucks for Olympic FAL's. A DR200 was going for $750 as well, ($500 at one of the local shops). A Hesse CETME was going for $600.
I'm sure there are good deals there too, but what I saw was a bunch of crap with overinflated prices. If retail gun shops can sell guns substantially cheaper while paying commercial rents and employing people full time there's something wrong.
Then there are all the folks trying to sell their junk because they can't get it to work right. About the only thing I'd buy at the gun show is ammo. There's ussually at least one table doing volume sales of surplus and Russian made ammo at reasonable prices.

m1shooter
June 18, 2002, 11:57
Well I'll chime in....
The last time that happened to me I told the girl at the counter that the merchandise was marked wrong and paid the correct price.
I have a conscious sometimes. :D

KJack
June 18, 2002, 12:30
I'll take your "arguments" one at a time.
1) law4fun: I am not a "newbie". For several reason I deleted every post I had previously made since I registered last year (check the member #). Whether or not I am new does not alter the validity of my post. A cheat is a cheat. Period. Punto. Asshole? Harsh, perhaps, but truth is often uncomfortable. The older I get the less tolerant I am of moral relativists.

2) fnfalman is right on the money insofar as the difference between legal and moral. BTW, a discussion regarding the morality of one's actions is DAMN sure more important than group size or firearms mechanics, IMHO.

3) If some are offended by the term asshole, then I apologize for such inelegance of language. The meaning of the term, and that subsumed within it, still applies.

4) The "let he who is without sin..." line is a logical fallacy...a version of "tu quoque", or "you're another", perhaps also a version of "poisoning the well." Don't give me that...
Doing the right things is EASY when IT DOESN'T COST YOU. That's the point....Get it?! Being moral and ethical is a full time job...not just when its CONVENIENT for you, or doesn't cost you. These "little crimes" that you claim are so innocent are simply reflections of a flawed character. SO, get with the program...admit your error....and redeem yourself.
So ends the lesson....

FWRA
June 18, 2002, 12:36
Elmer Fudd----

If retail gun shops can sell guns substantially cheaper while paying commercial rents and employing people full time there's something wrong.

If you are speaking about licensed dealers selling at gunshows, that gunshow is nothing but an extension of that dealers retail store. Same expenses only add to it the the table fees.

I'm sure there are good deals there too, but what I saw was a bunch of crap with overinflated prices.

You've never found my tables. At times I'm known to other dealers as "the giveaway artist". I have a unique perspective on this business. If I have a gun that's been in inventory more than a month or so, I'll blow it out at or near cost (or below!) and re-invest my "stupid purchase" money on something else that I know will sell.

I also take the approach that a $50 profit on a gunshow firearm that I can re-order anytime is smarter than trying to hold out for huge profits and just sit on it. I'm also never offended if someone makes me an offer. If it makes sense....he owns it.

The worst part about gunshow sales are the "untagged" firearms that you have to beg 'em for pricing. It always made me feel that the "end price" depended more on my "attitude" than on any real "value". The "DON'T TOUCH" signs are another turnoff. Also, how many of you bought guns and accessories from dealers at gunshows and never received any invoice or receipt? Grrr!

When I got into this business 3 years ago, I vowed to do it differently. I use computer generated price "fact tags" that include pricing and a full description. I also have FWRA invoices and give receipts for all firearm purchases with complete contact information as well.

Want to handle my firearms? No problem because I'll offer it to you whether you intend to buy that day or not. It's good business! Potential customers appreciate that because how can they buy if they can't inspect? (more importantly, what are the other guys trying to hide?)

I will say with all that hi-tech marketing I still get the "How much is the FAL?" (big 48pt price font and all!) :)

Still, you meet so many nice folks in this business. A few wackos and an occasional smartass, sure, but the majority of gun owners are just like you and me. Nice folks who work hard and try to get the best gun they can for their hard earned money.

I just hope the "gun show" doesn't someday become just another "Do you remember when...?"

That would be a real shame. (beef jerkey, t-shirt, toys and all!)


FWRA

KJack
June 18, 2002, 12:43
With regards to slamming dealers and trying to equivocate a bilateral, free-exchange in which you have the power to "Just say no" and vote with your feet is a flawed analogy. That someone offers something for sale at a price which you will not "deal" has NOTHING to do with cheating a merchant, big or small. This is called "rationalization". Frankly, I would think that this point is so transparent that no one would try it. But, again, the truth is sometimes uncomfortable and some people will try and squirm out of where the logic takes them.

Be honest. Really, life is so much simpler if we (all persons) would simply follow this dictum.

Be honest. That's the whole, entire, simple point.

Nimbo
June 18, 2002, 12:58
I have gotten two rifles at Wally World. First one was a Marlin .22, model 60. It was in the case with a tag that read "GUN $80". I think I bought it as much for buying "GUN" as I wanted a cheap .22.

Second rifle I got from there was a Winchester Model 70 Black Shadow for like $200, .30-06

Both times there was another of the exact same rifle in the case, at a much higher price. Now I don't think that I ripped them off. The manager probably was sick of the rifle sitting in the case, and discounted it. But then again the same store has a BAR MKII .30-06 that hasn't been sold since the store opened up, and the price hasn't come down either.

Personally I can't really say if these people are in the wrong or not. There is a pretty good sized anti-corprate streak in me.

bigdadytid
June 18, 2002, 13:07
Me: "Hmm, don't think your register is right, this is a Model A-1 not a model A-2"

Clerk "The barcode reader says its an A-2"

Me: "No the box says says its an A-1, see for yourself"

Clerk, looking through a barcode book: "I don't see an A-1 even listed here. Where did you get that from?"

Me: "I got it over in the _____ Department."

Clerk, on the phone:" ____________ Department price check."

Clerk: "Do you have a code for a model A-1?"

Clerk, types in about 24 numbers, regsiter show invalid item, types in 24 numbers by hand again, register show invalid item

Clerk, turns on light for customer service manager

Wait 15 minutes

Customer Service Manager:"Can I help you?"

Me:"This is an A-1, the register is showing an A-2"

Clerk:"I typed in the code for an A-1, but it shows as an invalid number."

Customer Service Manager, on phone:"__________ Department, price check."

Wait 5 minutes

Customer Service Manager:"Just a minute, sir"

Customer Service Manager does off to ___________ Department.

Wait 7 minutes.

Customer Service Manager returns with a gigantic 3 ring binder of bar codes. Types in 24 numbers, register shows invalid. Customer Service Manager uses the barcode reader on the bar code in the book, register shows invalid number.

Customer Service Manager:"Sir what is this?"

Me:"Its a model A-1, see look at the box"

Customer Service Manager types A-1 by hand into the register.

Customer Service Manager:"Do you know how much it is?"

Me:"I would assume its the same price as the A-2 or darn close to it."

Customer Service Manager:"OK." Types in the price of the A-2.

Clerk:"Sorry about the delay."

law4fun
June 18, 2002, 14:18
Originally posted by KJack
I'll take your "arguments" one at a time.
1) law4fun: I am not a "newbie". For several reason I deleted every post I had previously made since I registered last year (check the member #). Whether or not I am new does not alter the validity of my post. A cheat is a cheat. Period. Punto. Asshole? Harsh, perhaps, but truth is often uncomfortable. The older I get the less tolerant I am of moral relativists.
,,,,,,

3) If some are offended by the term asshole, then I apologize for such inelegance of language. The meaning of the term, and that subsumed within it, still applies.

.......
So ends the lesson....

New or not, the language used is not appropriate here especially in light of the recent postings regarding profanity or off color language. Your moral content is well taken but it certainly could have been offered in a more appropriate manner. As to your tolerance level, you may have to adjust it to comport with board policy regardless of the moral relativism involved.
This was not intended as a "flame"...just an observation.
Now back to FAL building issues.....

FNSam
June 18, 2002, 14:19
Back in the '60s I was one of those kids helping thier dad at the gunshow. My dad left the table for a moment, (we had just set up)a customer comes up and asks about a SW chief I said $50. About that time my dad comes back, the guy says the kid said it was $50. My dad told him the true price was $150, But if the boy said $50 its $50. I remember learning the prices a lot better after that...........

buckaroo
June 18, 2002, 14:25
Why is it when someone at a store fucks up, it is dishonest of me to take advantage of the mistake? How many times have you or I been overcharged for goods and went home and failed to notice the mistake until it was too late? When you get a break, it's called good luck, and bringing up the mistake (thereby hurting your position) only shows that you have a lack of self-esteem. There's no millionaire alive who would point out that he was being undercharged. He would expect the people taking his money to know what the hell they're doing.

It isn't my job to make sure all the prices are right at Wal-Mart or at gunshows or wherever. It is also not my job to make sure everyone working in those places is well educated in what they are selling and it's value. My job, as a consumer in a capitalist society (or any other, for that matter), is to obtain the very best deal possible for myself. No one else is going to look after my interests, and they shouldn't. If I can get a car for $1, I'm going to do it and I won't ever feel bad about it. Chances are it won't happen, so the odds are squarely in favor of the seller, not the buyer anyways.

Many of you seem to have been brainwashed by our quasi-socialist masters who spout off about price-gouging or dishonesty. What the hell? This is all just government meddling where it doesn't belong. It's bad enough that we can't dicker on prices of most goods. If they make a mistake, I say **** 'em, that's life. I win. Next time, when I really need something, I might not be so lucky.

As for changing prices by moving barcodes or tags around, that's another matter. If their system of inventory control is so bad that this is a possibility, then it's their own fault if they're getting ripped off. Just remember, the consequences of being caught in the act are severe and the benefits are probably not worth the effort. A smart shopper doesn't need to resort to the techniques of a fraud artist. It's easier just to wait until the dumb girl is at the counter, as someone else already pointed out.

Bruce Allen
June 18, 2002, 14:38
I will say I think it is, as the English say, "bad form" to be dishonest and then brag about it.

Make no mistake, it was indeed a dishonest act.

I can only hope this was a rare mistake in judgement on your part and not a typical act.

The true character of a man is what he does when nobody is looking.

As the Word says.. What does it benefit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.

FALPhil
June 18, 2002, 14:45
You're my hero, Bruce!

Originally posted by Bruce Allen
The true character of a man is what he does when nobody is looking.

CavVet
June 18, 2002, 14:51
Originally posted by Bruce Allen
The true character of a man is what he does when nobody is looking.

As the Word says.. What does it benefit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.


Now THATS what its all about.........

Bruce Allen
June 18, 2002, 14:53
Originally posted by FALPhil
You're my hero, Bruce!



Oh no, that was a object lesson my butt learned the hard way.

My father was a WWII vet, and lived through the Great Depression and was dog nuts tough on certain things.
Honesty was one.

I stole a box of Cracker Jacks from a local store when I was about 7.
The store saw it, and being a neighborhood store, just called my mother and told her.
I thought I had gotten away with it until my father got home.

He beat my butt bad AND fussed at me for stealing.

Never again.

Falboy
June 18, 2002, 14:53
Thanks for ripping off my profit sharing, I work at a Wal-Mart Grocery Dist. Center. As an associate you ripped me off too. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :( :mad: I guess there are a few bad apples in every crowd.

CavVet
June 18, 2002, 15:34
Did someone here just admit to being a Wal-Mart employee?

NEW THREAD TIME.............






;)

ByronF
June 18, 2002, 15:48
Remember in middle school when some kid dropped his change in the lunch line? I guess some things never change.

Oh, I forgot. It's not a person, it's a big mean corporation. With the nice weather I've not been watching much TV. A quick dose of Dan Rather will get my class envy back on line.

Byron

Witchhunter
June 18, 2002, 15:55
I am not perfect in any way,but I see no difference in stealing from wall mart, and stealing from me on a inter net deal.I try to use the following values in all I do.
1.LOYALTY
2.DUTY
3.RESPECT
4.SELFLESS SERVICE
5.HONOR
6.INTEGRITY
7.PERSONAL COURAGE

As I said I am not perfect ,I just try to be a good Citizen in my community.

KJack
June 18, 2002, 16:06
law4fun:
Please, get off your high horse.
This is not meant as a "flame," just an observation.

KJack
June 18, 2002, 16:14
Oh....I forgot...you're a moderator....
Now I recall the numerous reason I stopped coming to the FAL files.....somebody writes the word "F**K" and that's okay...nobody's feelings are hurt...I understand...a member acts in a deplorable, dishonest way and is called on it (by use of a perjorative) and that's BAD( i.e, the use of bad language is okay as long as a member is not it's object).....okay...now I understand.
Let's go back to building our FALs....

TheOtherChris
June 18, 2002, 16:39
Originally posted by buckaroo
Why is it when someone at a store fucks up, it is dishonest of me to take advantage of the mistake? How many times have you or I been overcharged for goods and went home and failed to notice the mistake until it was too late? When you get a break, it's called good luck, and bringing up the mistake (thereby hurting your position) only shows that you have a lack of self-esteem. There's no millionaire alive who would point out that he was being undercharged. He would expect the people taking his money to know what the hell they're doing.

"They did it to me." and "Everyone else does it." Don't fly with me.

It may be luck, but I still consider it dishonest. Pointing out the error of another does not demonstrate a lack of self-esteem, because I can succeed without resorting to subterfuge. You obviously don't know every "millionaire alive", and I personally know of two that would take offense at your statement.

It isn't my job to make sure all the prices are right at Wal-Mart or at gunshows or wherever. It is also not my job to make sure everyone working in those places is well educated in what they are selling and it's value. My job, as a consumer in a capitalist society (or any other, for that matter), is to obtain the very best deal possible for myself. No one else is going to look after my interests, and they shouldn't. If I can get a car for $1, I'm going to do it and I won't ever feel bad about it. Chances are it won't happen, so the odds are squarely in favor of the seller, not the buyer anyways.

In my opinion, that sentiment would permit selling an FAL which you know not to cycle without mentioning it because the buyer didn't ask if it functioned correctly. When I conduct business, I make a concious effort to disclose everything I know about my product or service. I often point out to people asking for my services that they can do it themselves and save several hundred dollars.

I get a lot of repeat business from people that know I will be fair with them; even when it is expensive. I will not sell my honor to save $34.95 at Wally World and will scrutinize my business dealings with those who would.

The Other Chris

rMac71
June 18, 2002, 16:49
Often times in my dealings with other FALfile members, I will mail parts to them before recieving payment or trade. **note to self** Do not do this with you. I don't like Wally world and don't do business there except when it is mandatory but still it is bad form to take advantage of other peoples mistakes. I am not perfect either and have looked the other way on occasion but I would not be proud of my actions either.
Randy

KJack
June 18, 2002, 16:59
Well said, rmac71

Asmodeous
June 18, 2002, 17:09
About two years ago I was in a local chain sporting goods store (Dick's) checking out their pre-inventory clearance sale. I had gotten a good deal on a Mossberg 590 the previous year (a gun very out of character for that store) and thought it was worth a look.

They had a Remington rifle I was interested in, retail was $695, they usually sold it for $540. I asked the clerk if it was part of the sale and how much it would be (sale was advertised as "Up to 30% off our regular prices"). He replied "Yes", pulled out a price list, and said "$216." I said "That can't be right." He insisted it was. I asked hoim to call his manager. The assistant department manager comes over, looks at the details and says "Yep. $216" I tell him that can't be right and ask him to call the store manager. The store manager comes over and says "Whatever they say."

Now I would have been perfectly happy to buy the gun for 30% off, and they were selling it to me for 60% off. Othr than to walk out of the store to protect them from themselves, I don't know what else I could have done. For all I know they had gotten some great deal on the gun initially (I've gotten some incredible deals from local gun shops that way). So I bought the rifle.

A couple of weeks later I was in the store and the department manager (who I knew from a local gun club and wasn't there when I bought the rifle) stops me and says 'I hear you got a great deal on that Remington." I started to tell him the whole story and he said "Forget it. If the store manager isn't smart enough to double-check what the computer tells him, he deserves to have to explain it to corporate HQ."

Haven't seen that store manager since.

law4fun
June 18, 2002, 17:23
Originally posted by KJack
law4fun:
Please, get off your high horse.
This is not meant as a "flame," just an observation.

KJack,
I am not on a "high horse"...if I were, there would have not been any doubt in anyone's mind. As to my moderator status, take a look-I do not moderate General Discussion. I am a member, just the same as you.
As for your reasons to visit or not visit the Files, that is your business and doesn't concern me. I do not recall ever having any issues with you in my Forum. I was just expressing my thoughts just as you were.
Have a good day
Jim

geerhed
June 18, 2002, 17:34
Originally posted by FWRA
...You've never found my tables. At times I'm known to other dealers as "the giveaway artist". I have a unique perspective on this business. If I have a gun that's been in inventory more than a month or so, I'll blow it out at or near cost (or below!) and re-invest my "stupid purchase" money on something else that I know will sell...Want to handle my firearms? No problem because I'll offer it to you whether you intend to buy that day or not. It's good business! Potential customers appreciate that because how can they buy if they can't inspect? (more importantly, what are the other guys trying to hide?)

It's really sad, but this is a REFRESHING attitude at a gun show. When I was in school, owner of the shop I hung out in was like this. He was the only guy moving merchandise too. All the other tables were bitching about the gun shows becoming like zoos, with people just walking through and looking without buying. This man actually took the position that shows were for (gasp) marking things down!! :eek:

Sorry, OT, but just had to add that.

Bullet
June 18, 2002, 18:14
Originally posted by jamie930
I got a NIB Ruger 10/22 for a $100 Someone had hung the Marlin Model 60 tag on it. So I snatched it up :D]

On the Wed or Thursday of last week I saw the 10/22 in the case marked for $100. I asked then if the tag was correct, the guy said "No the correct price is $160, but I will you 10% off for catching the mistake" so I left. Came back on the Monday 3 or 4 days later to find it still marked the same. I again asked the for the price and the clerk noticed the $160 tag at the bottom of the case then looked at the tag knowing that it was marked wrong and was told then "What the tag reads" So at that time I started the paperwork. After the paperwork was done it rang up at the correct price. At that time I said if the price is $160 I dont want to buy it, but they gave me the discounted price of $100. I dont see how this is dishonest in any way. They had several times to fix their mistake even a chance to cancel the sale but choose not to! I don't know what you did was right or wrong. I'm not a judge, and try not to judge others, but some one tell me how this is dishonest.

Jamie sees a gun with a price tag for $100. Buys it. Now Jamie sees another gun for $100. The clerk says its really $160. Jamie says, "I don't want it if it costs $160". So the clerk lets him have it for $100. Exactly where is the dishonesty?

xIA
June 18, 2002, 18:17
That's not the post we all replied to.
If it had been, methinks it would have been a non-starter...

faltex
June 18, 2002, 18:17
Initially I was pretty embarrassed to read replies of this post that seem be lacking honor and honesty. Such qualities seem to be unique to this board. I don't want to make excuses for anyone but it almost seems understandable to have resentment against vendors like Wally Mart and Rosie's. Last month I caught a $25 mistake (in my favor) at Wal-Mart and when I brought it to the attention of the cashier it was if I totally inconvinced both him and his manager. Shame on me for being honest and creating more work for these individuals. They have so much loss and Shrinkage that they could care less. It's not as if their neck is on the line for profitability. I originally dismissed this incident as unprofessional individuals that do not represent the values of the company BUT it does not matter what freaking section I go to...no one gives a crap about customer service. If I ask a question about where something is at or if they have additional items in stock the universal response is as if I'm on crack. At least that is the way Wal-Mart Mart and Kmart treats people in Dallas Texas. As for the people who try to sell overpriced junk at gun shows...well no wonder many gun shows have a bad rap...between the scam artist and the guys you some how forget to unload their weapons and shoot people I'm not too wild about going to them anymore. (Although there are some VERY good people and deals that still make it worth while). Is it wrong to be dishonest on a deal...you bet your ass it is and I would have major reservations about buying anything from the guys that made such negative post. But the companies like Wal-Mart have screwed a lot of people, they have forced a lot of private companies out of business and when they failed to make thier desired profit they pullled out of town ony to leave a mess behind. Although I strongly disagree with applauding such behavior I can at least understand their resentment. The Mom and Pop shops and the private companies seem to have a lot more interest in earning my money.

nvcdl
June 18, 2002, 18:26
As described below it looks as if the Walmart may have been doing a bait & switch on that rifle. If they left the wrong tag on it
it may have been deliberate as they know it would ring up at the correct price. This seems to be rather common in retail around here to put a low price on a shelf and then have it ring up at a higher price.


Originally posted by jamie930
I got a NIB Ruger 10/22 for a $100 Someone had hung the Marlin Model 60 tag on it. So I snatched it up :D]

On the Wed or Thursday of last week I saw the 10/22 in the case marked for $100. I asked then if the tag was correct, the guy said "No the correct price is $160, but I will you 10% off for catching the mistake" so I left. Came back on the Monday 3 or 4 days later to find it still marked the same. I again asked the for the price and the clerk noticed the $160 tag at the bottom of the case then looked at the tag knowing that it was marked wrong and was told then "What the tag reads" So at that time I started the paperwork. After the paperwork was done it rang up at the correct price. At that time I said if the price is $160 I dont want to buy it, but they gave me the discounted price of $100. I dont see how this is dishonest in any way. They had several times to fix their mistake even a chance to cancel the sale but choose not to!

canman
June 18, 2002, 18:32
WOW!!! Look at the big brain on KJack.

Now where did I put that Webster's???????

:) Canman:)

sparky
June 18, 2002, 18:52
I have been watching this thread from the start and I thought what my dad would do. Times have changed.

KJack
June 18, 2002, 19:03
Canman:
Thanks for the heads-up!
Next time, especially if I see your I.D. on a thread, I'll remember to "gear my material" down the appropriate level. That is truly a shame, though, as there are a number of literate, intelligent people on the FAL-files that are not in need of such remedial attention. (Whoops! Sorry, remedial....not in the common lexicon..WHOOPS!..lexicon...I think you're right...Webster's Collegiate is an excellent choice..)
Note to self: Whenever Canman is on thread remember to use as many monosyllabic words as possible.
For Canman: monosyllabic means only one syllable, you know, "See Dick run. Run, Dick, run!"

Blackmore
June 18, 2002, 19:16
Originally posted by faltex
Last month I caught a $25 mistake (in my favor) at Wal-Mart and when I brought it to the attention of the cashier it was if I totally inconvinced both him and his manager.....I originally dismissed this incident as unprofessional individuals

What it is is individuals who have no morals who would have taken the $25 had they been in your shoes. People like this and dumb ones as well treat you like you're a chump for not taking advantage when you point out an error to them. Almost makes you wish you had.

However, when you run into the smart ones or someone in a small owner-on-premises business and they profusely thank you for pointing out the error, it makes it worthwhile.

Bruce Allen
June 18, 2002, 19:21
Originally posted by Asmodeous
....
I said "That can't be right." He insisted it was....

I agree with you. If the possible mistake of pricing has been made and their (the store employee) attention has been called to it, then you have fulfilled your obligation to do what is right.
IN GENERAL, if someone tells you the price is right.......it stands.
(Actually a verbal contract has just been established, I believe.)

The difference is you made the attempt to do what is right.

Also I can't tell you the times I have given overchange back, or walked through homes and stores that have been burglarized and seen jewelry, money, and other valuables and I have never taken anything.
It wasn't worth my job.

Have I been tempted...that's another topic.

Of course I never ran across a million bucks in cash..

rtrick
June 18, 2002, 19:28
For what it is worth heres my two cents (written out long hand so it seems more;) )

I've been a member for a little over a year now. I haven't posted much because I have learned over the years that most everyone out there knows more than I do and my ears (brain) work better if my lips (fingers) are not in gear. I have seen many people slam on others because they had been "taken" in some way or another. Now I will not pass judgement on anyone on this or any other forum but (and here is my two cents) as it already has been posted:

1) deal with others as you wish to be dealt with - plain and simple.

2) what goes around comes around or karma

everyone of us wants a good deal but is it really worth it if you can't say that you would not want to be treated this way?

thanks for letting me get in three cents worth for two

(rt) rick

Arby
June 18, 2002, 19:57
Hey Kjack!

Man, you need to lighten up! law4fun put it well when he said:


Originally posted by law4fun


Your moral content is well taken but it certainly could have been offered in a more appropriate manner. As to your tolerance level, you may have to adjust it to comport with board policy regardless of the moral relativism involved.




I think he put it very well. Like everyone else here, I am a guest and have no real say-so about this place. But from what I've seen of this site I think I can safely say that your posts are as welcome here as anyone else's. In your first post on this thread, I think your basic point was correct. But calling people "assholes" doesn't help persuade anyone. Your opinion would garner more respect if you wouldn't come in like a ton of bricks and call people names. This is a great thread, but it is getting sullied by the ordure that you contributed when you walked into the room.

You may have the morality and the ethics down, but you didn't pass "Civility 101".

You said you deleted all of your other posts. Remember when you said this, early in the morning on June 8?


Originally posted by KJack
....there are times that I would just want to give some of you stupid SOBs a dopeslap....

You were responding to a post of mine. Remember? I guess you still feel the same way still. Too bad. I hope you reconsider.

Do you intend to delete your posts in this thread like you did on June 8? I hope not. Let it stand. This is a good thread. I find people delving into these moral issues very enlightening. We've all been in such situations, where we could make the call as to whether or not to take advantage of the situation. I'm getting a lot out of it, and have my own experiences to add. But I think I'll hold off for now. I've said my peace.


KJack, you've got a lot to add. But the people here are not your enemies. Potentially, they are your friends. No one on this board is gunning for you. Don't pop off on them. You've got a lot to say, and people here will listen to you. As long as you don't call them assholes, and express your desire to dopeslap them (and me). Chill out! Join the party!

BUFF
June 18, 2002, 20:40
I worked my way through college as a printer, usually working the graveyard and swing shifts. Printing is dirty work. My clothes weren't spotless when I ended my shift.

I often cashed my paycheck at a large 24 hour grocery store we bought our groceries at. When I came in after midnight, it didn't seem to bother anyone I had workers' clothes on. One night, the service counter manager gave me $100 too much. I didn't notice it until I got out to my car and put my bills in my wallet.

I went back inside and went back to the service counter manager, who had cashed my check minutes earlier. I told him he had made a mistake. He immediately pointed out that I had left the building before "discovering" the mistake, and so it was final. I tried to say I hadn't really even counted it until I got to my car and put my change away (I had made some checkstand purchases between cashing the check and going to the car) but he only got angry. He blew up after a few seconds and said they had lots of theives trying to shortchange the store, so that was the policy, the transaction was final, and if I continued to complain, the baggers and stockers would "assist" me to my car. I said, "Okay, but you need to know that your till will be $100 short when you balance out later, and I want you to know where it went. You gave it to me. I wanted to give it back, but, like you say, all transactions are final when you leave the store." I turned and walked a couple of steps, and turned back to him. "Everyone isn't a thief," I said. He just stared at me as I walked out.

I stopped in at the store later, on the way to work the next day, and found the store manager, who I slightly knew from shopping there. I told him what had happened and who did it, gave him the $100 and told him the service counter manager needed a lesson in public relations. I also started cashing my check at my bank.

I went to another store to buy some assorted stuff and noticed they had my favorite jeans on sale. Big wall divided up into little cubbyholes with the size of pants each held marked on it. I found my size and style, my color and then grabbed two pair.

When I went through the checkstand and began to write my check, I noticed the amount was too low to cover what I had bought, more than $20 too low. I looked at the register tape and noticed they only had rung up one of the two pairs of jeans. I pointed it out to the clerk. She said thanks, I must be honest because most people wouldn't have said anything. I shrugged and said that was just how I was raised. I went home, pulled the tags off the new pants and washed them. Later, when I tried to wear them, one pair was way, way too small. I dug the tags out of the trash and found I had bought one pair 4" too small at the waist! I didn't look at the second pair's tags, I just trusted they were all the same size it said on the shelf and that it was in the right place because the first pair I grabbed was correct! I figured the store wouldn't help because they had been washed, but I drove over with the tags, pants and receipt. The same clerk was on duty. I told her my tale. She remembered me. Sure enough, store policy is store policy, they couldn't take them back washed, and I was screwed out of my money. At least I recognize it was my error, not looking at the label, not their error stocking the shelves that was the most responsible for my lack of wearable pants.

At least some thrift store shopper got some new pants out of the deal!

KJack
June 18, 2002, 20:40
Arby:
Mea culpa.
Understood.
Thanks.

SlingoQueen930
June 18, 2002, 22:24
Alright, after reading most of the bullshit replys about how dishonest it was to buy the gun after knowing the price was wrong in the first place and about having a conscience after you bought it, I just have a few words to add to those who think it was so wrong to have done it....... First of all, I dont see how taking advantage of a deal (a very good deal) can be so dishonest when the tag was marked wrong in the first place. Jamie brought it to their attention the first time he saw it and being a nice guy, after being told the gun was marked wrong he walked away giving the guy behind the counter enough time to fix the mistake, but its because of the stupidity of one employee at walmart that a couple days later he went back to find it wasnt fixed and asking the guy again what the price of the gun was and having the employee tell him straight out it was $100.....WELL THATS SO SAD for walmart, I was there and i dont think its right to call it dishonest but to call it "lucky" because i am sure if Jamie didnt buy it someone else would've........come on now be real if you saw something you wanted and it had one price marked on the sign but the tag said something different you all know you would question it and would be happy with getting the discount!!!

jeager
June 18, 2002, 22:30
Ok maybe I'm jaded. But after being ripped off by buying something on sale and being charged the regular retail so many times due to store negligence I feel something like this helps settle the score. Score one for the common man. I work with the county weights and measures man who also checks store scanners and the errors he finds in the stores favor are unbelievable.

TheOtherChris
June 19, 2002, 00:21
Originally posted by jamie930
I got a NIB Ruger 10/22 for a $100 Someone had hung the Marlin Model 60 tag on it. So I snatched it up :D]

Below was added after I had read the posts after the starter post. Due to others calling me dishonest, thief, and other not so nice names.


On the Wed or Thursday of last week I saw the 10/22 in the case marked for $100. I asked then if the tag was correct, the guy said "No the correct price is $160, but I will you 10% off for catching the mistake" so I left. Came back on the Monday 3 or 4 days later to find it still marked the same. I again asked the for the price and the clerk noticed the $160 tag at the bottom of the case then looked at the tag knowing that it was marked wrong and was told then "What the tag reads" So at that time I started the paperwork. After the paperwork was done it rang up at the correct price. At that time I said if the price is $160 I dont want to buy it, but they gave me the discounted price of $100. I dont see how this is dishonest in any way. They had several times to fix their mistake even a chance to cancel the sale but choose not to!

The Paul Harvey version ("The Rest of the Story") changes the dynamics of the scenario completely.
Having pointed out the error, you have given them the chance to correct the price.:)
IMNSHO, their leaving the erroneous and now misleading price tag is at best sloppy and at worst willful misrepresentation and they should pay for such a practice.

The Other Chris

gunplumber
June 19, 2002, 00:41
I don't see any dishonesty. It is NOT THE BUYER'S REsponsibility to dictate to the seller what the price should be. If the seller is to stupid, lazy, or apathetic to keep track of market prices, that is their fault, not the buyers.

I bought two fans at home depot. The clerk rang them up wrong. I asked the clerk if the price was correct. She confirmed. I asked again if the price was correct. She examined the skew, the reciept, and the register, and assured me it was. I accepted the 50% discount. Thats a heck of a lot different than me changing price tags or engaging in some other kind of deception. On the other hand, the grandma selling her deceased husbands purdy shotgun at a garage sale for $100, I told her to get it appraised.

Would it have been wrong to buy it? Of course not. She established the price, I had the choice of agreeing or not agreeing. "Value" is relative. ON the other hand, I have a higher expectation of professional competence in a paid clerk then in an aged grandmother selling hubby's "junk".

A retail store worker has a responsibility to know the store's pricing policy. it is not the buyer's responsibility to say "no chap, I think I need to pay you more for this"

How many of these holier-than-thouh folks would tell me I shouldn't sell a SAR 48 para for $1000? Well, thats too low, the alarm bewlls would go off. Howabout $1750. Or are you going to tell me it costs more than that? Or am I expected as the retailer to know the market value might be higher?

Ethics - phooey. Nothing to do with ethics. Moral Relativism? Bull$hit. moral relativism is when the pontificating armchair commando establishes a different set of arbitrary rules for the buyer, then the seller. A customer recently offered me three rifles. I misread his offer and thinking I was getting a great deal on the one, bought all three to get the package price. I was wrong and upon rereading, realised I was not getting the model I thought and had bought the guns at a cost above what I could build them for. Did I try to squirm out of it? No way, I made the deal.

Yet a few days later, a seller makes an offer to trade gun x for gun y. I agree. seller than decides he doesn't like some of the features of gun y so wants them changed. wait a minute, a deal is a deal . . .. There was no deceipt, it was full disclosure, he got friggin photographs. . . . But he broke his word.

This ain't no moral relativism. It is the same socialist wacko who says buying for less than market value is the buyer cheating the seller, but selling for more than a previous market value in times of crisis is the seller cheating the buyer. YEah, that rip-off artist selling the Hesse G3 Clone for $900 is a con artist, but if He has a factory HK $900 and the buyer takes it, then the buyer is the cheat?!!? Geez Louise guys, either party can say NO at any time and both parties are SUPPOSED to be informed and in the case was specifically given the opportunity to educate themselves on the product proir to making the sale and made a concious decision not to.

I sold two SP1s for $1200 NIB for both. Why? 'cause what the heck do I want two Colt A1 configurations? I'd rather have one bushmaster shorty commando. That my buyer resold them for $1200 EACH was a lesson to me to study market prices, not an indication of dishonesty on his part. Its the cost of my education. Was he supposed to say "hey mark, I know you don't deal in this older stuff so much, but there is a strong collector market for these and folks will pay much more than you are asking". Yeah, whatever. . . .

(added next morning) On second thought, your use of the phrase "I ripped off Walmart" instead of "I got an incredible deal from Walmart" indicates pretty clearly that regardless of the details YOU thought you were stealing.

Thunderchyld
June 19, 2002, 01:12
Well, according to what I read on Wal Mart's website"Sam's Rules for Building a Business" (http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Mainabout.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1299948439.10244657 59@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccjadcfgkhlhdkcfkfcfkjdgoodglh.0&pagetype=about&template=DisplayAllContents.jsp&categoryOID=-8992&catID=-8242)

Rule 8
Exceed your customers' expectations. If you do, they'll come back over and over. Give them what they want - and a little more. Let them know you appreciate them. Make good on all your mistakes, and don't make excuses - apologize. Stand behind everything you do. The two most important words I ever wrote were on that first Wal-Mart sign, "Satisfaction Guaranteed." They're still up there, and they have made all the difference.



What I read into this is, Wal Mart made a mistake, under their policy, they're supposed to make it right.

A very similar situation happened to me(a Mini 14 was marked Ruger Rifle, $149.95, IE they had a mini marked as a 10/22). I told the Sporting Goods manager that it was priced wrong, as I know a Mini 14 goes for around $500. The response I recieved was that the price shown is the correct one. If I wanted it at that price, company policy dictated I'd get it at that price. He did also mention that if I did not take it, he would be correcting his associates mistake ASAP.

canman
June 19, 2002, 06:54
Kjack,

Get a grip a man! Ever seen the movie Pulp Fiction???? If not, maybe you should watch it and you'd see it was a simple joke and not really a flame toward you. However, your response was waaaayyyyy out of line! I find it odd that you would judge me or my level of education without knowing me and based on that one post.

I think you could make your points and state your opinions without out all the circumlocutory, redudnant and verbose prose. Your rhetorical diatribes would be just as effective if they were terse or even curt. I do not think that your word choice and sentence structure makes you sound any more authoritative....if anything it makes you sound like a pompous, obtuse, ass.

I think you have also forgotten a basic principle in communication. I say "F@^K" for those who understand "F@^K" and "fornicate" for those who will understand "fornicate." Also, do not forget that there is a distinct and important difference between education and intelligence. I do not come here to flaunt my degrees or language skills. I'll save that for the "Mensa" website!

I apologize if you were offended by the post. It was not intended that way. It was a joke based on a line from the aforementioned movie. Your reply, however, was out of line. Please try not to be so thin-skinned.

Canman

TheOtherChris
June 19, 2002, 11:12
Originally posted by gunplumber
I don't see any dishonesty. It is NOT THE BUYER'S REsponsibility to dictate to the seller what the price should be. If the seller is to stupid, lazy, or apathetic to keep track of market prices, that is their fault, not the buyers.

I bought two fans at home depot. The clerk rang them up wrong. I asked the clerk if the price was correct. She confirmed. I asked again if the price was correct. She examined the skew, the reciept, and the register, and assured me it was. I accepted the 50% discount.

A retail store worker has a responsibility to know the store's pricing policy. it is not the buyer's responsibility to say "no chap, I think I need to pay you more for this"

I sold two SP1s for $1200 NIB for both. Why? 'cause what the heck do I want two Colt A1 configurations? I'd rather have one bushmaster shorty commando. That my buyer resold them for $1200 EACH was a lesson to me to study market prices, not an indication of dishonesty on his part. Its the cost of my education. Was he supposed to say "hey mark, I know you don't deal in this older stuff so much, but there is a strong collector market for these and folks will pay much more than you are asking". Yeah, whatever. . . .


In the original, unedited post, it appeared to me that he knew the rifle was priced wrong; not just different than fair market value. It appeared that it was "let's buy this quick before they realize the price is less than intended".

The edited post shows that he alerted the store to the pricing error and they failed to correct it so he bought the rifle. Fair 'nuf.

If I run an ad in the newspaper to sell my house for $350,000.00, but the paper misprints it to be $35,000.00, it is obviously a misprint and a court would agree that no contract has been made.

My opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it and will differ from others.
I will continue to treat those I do business with in the matter that I would want to be treated or reciprocate in kind when appropriate.

The Other Chris

Doubleought
June 19, 2002, 13:13
TheOtherChris,

"Fair 'nuf"? If there are still more negative comments, will he edit it again to say it was just a story he made up to stimulate discussion? Editing to give an explanation is fair, but why was most of the original post removed? What's "fair" about that? It seems to me that all credibility just went out the window. :rolleyes:


On another note; I'm sick and tired of that, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" tripe!! :mad: Just because none of us are perfect, does that mean that no one should dare have the audacity to point out something that they believe is wrong? I hate the way some people use that quote to justify every little white lie or deception! I hate even more, the way some use it to try and silence an opposing view! Moral relativism.:rolleyes: What a crock!

Hambone_22345
June 19, 2002, 13:27
Originally posted by SlingoQueen930
Alright, after reading most of the bullshit replys about how dishonest it was to buy the gun after knowing the price was wrong in the first place and about having a conscience after you bought it, I just have a few words to add to those who think it was so wrong to have done it....... First of all, I dont see how taking advantage of a deal (a very good deal) can be so dishonest when the tag was marked wrong in the first place. Jamie brought it to their attention the first time he saw it and being a nice guy, after being told the gun was marked wrong he walked away giving the guy behind the counter enough time to fix the mistake, but its because of the stupidity of one employee at walmart that a couple days later he went back to find it wasnt fixed and asking the guy again what the price of the gun was and having the employee tell him straight out it was $100.....WELL THATS SO SAD for walmart, I was there and i dont think its right to call it dishonest but to call it "lucky" because i am sure if Jamie didnt buy it someone else would've........come on now be real if you saw something you wanted and it had one price marked on the sign but the tag said something different you all know you would question it and would be happy with getting the discount!!!


Anyone else find it interesting that Jamie930 and SlingoQueen930's usernames are similar (end same number), SQ930 was "there" at time of purchase, etc. ...

Is that you Jamie, aka SlingoQueen?

By your original post, I'd say you were dishonest ("ripped off WalMart" is how I think you put originally), but now, in the edited post you claim you tried to help them out first. How noble. Which is the correct story? Did you change it just to avoid the heat you were getting for bragging about "ripping off" someone? Hmm...:rolleyes:

TheOtherChris
June 19, 2002, 14:20
Originally posted by Doubleought
TheOtherChris,

"Fair 'nuf"? If there are still more negative comments, will he edit it again to say it was just a story he made up to stimulate discussion? Editing to give an explanation is fair, but why was most of the original post removed? What's "fair" about that? It seems to me that all credibility just went out the window. :rolleyes:

The "Fair 'nuf" statement is based on the edited post's version of the incident.
Lacking evidence to the contrary, I am willing to accept the second story at face value.

On another note; I'm sick and tired of that, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" tripe!! :mad: Just because none of us are perfect, does that mean that no one should dare have the audacity to point out something that they believe is wrong? I hate the way some people use that quote to justify every little white lie or deception! I hate even more, the way some use it to try and silence an opposing view! Moral relativism.:rolleyes: What a crock!

I agree. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do [say] nothing. Otherwise we end up with a society that accepts the notion that an individual who lies under oath and falls back on symantics as a defense hasn't committed perjury because they should have been more precise in their questioning. :eek:

The Other Chris

Doubleought
June 19, 2002, 14:55
TOC,

Point taken. That's a fair 'nuf statement on your position.:)

Peace!

OO

GDYankee
June 19, 2002, 16:41
"Honor is a gift a man gives to himself" (Rob Roy)

"I ripped Walmart off tonight"

3doghouse
June 19, 2002, 21:58
I'm here to learn.

I think a large retail chain like Wally World studies patterns of incompetence... and they learn. The stuipidity factor is not important to them... the cost factor is.

I think it is wrong to take advantage of customers... or vendors.

I am a grown-up.

I don't go out of my way to make sure the price I get from large retail chains makes sense, but I wouldn't intentionally screw them either... I'm pretty sure most of them would intentionally screw us.

Buyer always beware... seller... if you have to be told to beware, you are already on the way out of business. Don't give anyone you wouldn't trust with all of your money any of your cash registers.

workn4it
June 20, 2002, 03:38
3dog, you said it well!, Kjack, your intentions are well placed, but your mouth is a bit too much bark, relax a little buddy!
anyway..I once found $18,000 cash in a vendor bank carry case (small vinyl zippered carry case to hold the days/weeks deposits) which had fallen behind an end cap display at the store I worked at, at the time, well I opened it up and just about fell over...more cash then I made all year (at the time) was in my hands & no one knew..well after 5 mins of self evaluation, I turned it in to my manager, who knew exactly where the frantic small biz owner was at the time, trying to keep herself from going into a hear attack! I thought wow, I had done a really good thing here..well, I barley got a thank you from managment and the small biz owner grabbed the case & just walked away, not a word! After that day, I swore I would never again turn in something I found,etc,... but personally, and now that I am older & more mature,<<keyword here, mr. "I ripped off walmart last nite", I am glad I did what I did, I think I would rather know I gave it back - without reward, then to live with myself knowing I took reward I had not earned! Call me a fool I guess, but what goes around, certainly does come around..

cc48510
June 20, 2002, 05:39
It depends on how they treat me and how big the company is.

It is not uncommon for a 40 Oz. Slurpee to be rung up as a 32 Oz. I don't even mention it. Same for Hot Dogs, they occassionally ring up the Big Hot Dogs for the Regular Hot Dog price. Occassionally, the Restraunt doesn't put my drink on the bill. I never say a word. Then again, when I do that, I also cannot consciously complain if they slightly overcharge me sometime.

But, if they were to give me too much change...I would give it back and I have. Their was once when I cashed a check and got an extra $100. I gave it back.

As for the issue of waiting for the dumb clerk. It may be hypocritical...but I consider that wrong. If I walk up and the clerk at the time tells me its one price, I'll take it. But, to wait for another clerk to see if you can get them to make a mistake is different.

Also, if I am dealing with a small family business, I am not going to take them...as it is somehow different than ripping off Wal-Mart or 7-11. Then again, the clerks aren't always that honest themselves. I found a $20 bill that a woman had dropped. She left before I could say anything. So, I handed it to the clerk and told him that the woman who just left dropped it. He thanked me. Then, I left and through the window I saw him shove it in his own wallet. I remember one convinience store I frequented a while back...Ths was after a new lottery game had come out. The new game had different rules than previous games. So for a while until people got aclimated to it...there'd almost always be winning lottery tickets on the ground, counters, etc...So, I'd just pick 'em all up and check 'em later. The clerk would get pissed and called me dishonest. Yet, this guy was going the exact same thing...and routinely ripped people off other ways also. Guess he didn't like competition.

Skilter
June 20, 2002, 09:09
Gunplumber nailed it.

Ying/Yang....

biere
June 22, 2002, 16:46
Is caveat emptor the "buyer beware" phrase?

I accept humans make mistakes and always ask if that is the correct price when there is a problem.

I also accept walmart or whomever hired the people working their gun department. So when someone in a blue smock tells me the price is correct and I can indeed buy X for that price, I buy it.

I do not work at walmart, it is not my job to correct people who work there. I will ask to see a manager if it might be a hassle, around here very few people can actually authorize the forms.

Life is life. I do not want to spend an hour settling their mess up. I have had stuff ring up way off, they act like it is my fault they tried to over charge me. I mention it if something seems to be low. But I am not paid to do their job.

A business survives by doing things right. Walmart hired their help, their help priced the item, their help was asked if that is the correct price. They create their own problems.

Now someone who is misinformed, like the old lady at the garage sale I would help.

Two different scenerios. Walmart is in business to sell items, why should I care if they can't price things right?

Judge me all you want. I can live with my choices, hope you can live with yours.

duey
June 22, 2002, 22:47
No problem...Wally World can make it up on all the life insurance policies it took out on thier unsuspecting employees

Witchhunter
June 22, 2002, 23:47
While I despise Wally World for there nonunion ,non liveing wage way of conducting business,I repeat if YOU steal from a store YOU will STEAL from me. Since I was recently stolen from I say

A THIEF IS A THIEF NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS.:(

jrgunman
June 23, 2002, 00:55
In Illinois,if a retailer misprices something, you can force them to sell it to you, went to a jewlery store with the wife. she had to drag me. once there she went her way I went mine there was a sign stating all watches 40% off, after all was said and done it should have read selected watches 40% off, Boy do I have a nice Omega divemaster, just like James Bond