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308/223shooter
August 22, 2017, 20:57
Curious to see what it brings, it's a fairly decent one with a fair price right now. Two days remain, wonder if it'll sell for over a grand?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/684201183

Kb466
August 22, 2017, 21:22
Looks like a good one-- if even for the components. Great looking wood that looks original, a British kit and an early Entreprise ABNI Aussie-style receiver. That receiver is one of the best post Lithgow receivers you can buy when you can find one. See the "Sporter" marking-- that is an indicator of these early Entreprise ABNI receivers. If I didn't already have one very similar, but with Aussie parts, I would be quite interested.
Bill M.

Thorack
August 22, 2017, 21:59
Well,

The market is pretty soft. We shall see.

Thorack

Striker1423
August 23, 2017, 09:53
I would think a rifle that looks this nice would pop over the $1,000 dollar mark. If I wasn't in the process of buying one (an argy CAI Sporter/Aussie build) , this would be a curiosity to me.

djfin
August 23, 2017, 10:24
Looks like a good one-- if even for the components. Great looking wood that looks original, a British kit and an early Entreprise ABNI Aussie-style receiver. That receiver is one of the best post Lithgow receivers you can buy when you can find one. See the "Sporter" marking-- that is an indicator of these early Entreprise ABNI receivers. If I didn't already have one very similar, but with Aussie parts, I would be quite interested.
Bill M.


Iron wood stock set per listing and it is not an ABNI marked receiver. That said it is a very good looking rifle

JonnyP
August 23, 2017, 10:54
Yep, nice GAT, it's a Buena Park marked, so one of the better receivers...

Kb466
August 23, 2017, 12:21
I was just looking at the listing again. Someone made the comment that it was not an ABNI receiver and that all Entreprise receivers were cast. Not quite true-- first, the receiver is "sporter" marked, with Early Buena Park address and serial number 21xx. All these features tell me it is an early Entreprise ABNI receiver. It may be that the early ABNI receivers were not ABNI marked while they had the Buena Park address, but Entreprise was having all their receivers made by ABNI through at least the high 5000's. They were not making them in-house. Also the early Entreprise ABNI receivers were not cast but CNC milled from "forged" bar Stock-- at least that is what I remember. I've owned a couple of them and own one now. They are excellent receivers in my experience.
I have no interest in this rifle or the listing. Nor do I plan on bidding on it. I just wanted to clarify some misstatements in the listing.
Bill M.

Trypcil
August 23, 2017, 12:32
It is funny that immediately after 'posting', the price rises (it $910 as of now)- I usually watch and vote in the last 20 or so minutes. It is a nice rifle - I expect $1450 , we shall see!

JonnyP
August 23, 2017, 14:24
I've had ABNI manufactured/marked + Buena Park rollmarks, ABNI manufactured with just Buena Park rollmark and ABNI manufactured/marked and Irwindale rollmark.

This is a really nice offering, if I didn't have the real deal and wanted an Aussi Gat, this is a beauty.

djfin
August 24, 2017, 17:37
If you are going to clarify misstatements please do not post misstatements as corrections. No one posted that all Entreprise receivers were cast that I see in this thread. Any and all ABNI manufactured receivers are in fact marked ABNI. A little thing from the ATF. I have an Irwindale rollmarked ABNI marked receiver well past your 5000 mark it is in high 6000 range I believe I will check tonight . Entreprise had many problems with the ATF over the serial numbers and the two addresses marked on the receivers over the years. They were making receivers in house while still getting the last of the ABNI receivers. That said it is still a very good looking rifle

little308
August 24, 2017, 22:03
As the owner and poster of the rifle, I was going off something I read from a gentleman who said he knew the folks at Enterprise. I am certainly NO expert on L1A1s or Enterprise, but it was stated that all Enterprise receivers were cast and not forged. I went with that. Seemed funny that a manufacturer would switch somewhere mid production, from the perceived better quality forged, to a lesser quality cast?? So I just figured it sounded reasonable that all Enterprise receivers were probably cast. That whole forged/cast argument doesn't bother me much, as I have rifles made with both types and had had zero failures of any receivers.

Question, "What makes this an "Ausssie" receiver? How are they different than a British receiver? I mean this is an American made repro, so don't expect 100% correctness anyway.

The most difficult part of this sale is deciding to let it go, as there are some other items I want to purchase, and I keep telling myself, "I can't have them all". As I have a second Enterprise, Buena Park rifle, I choose to sell this one. I have many of the across the board .308 battle rifles as well. For this crowd (old battle rifles), nice wood always seems to sell a rifle. I can always add wood to the other, if I choose. But yes, the market is terribly soft, and yet, business still gets done under the worst of conditions, so took some advice and just listed with No Reserve.

As always, I am sure I will regret letting this go (especially after all your nice comments) but hopefully will pick up that new item that will grow on me and become a future favorite.

Had originally posted this in the Marketplace under Auctions: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=418204

little308

308/223shooter
August 24, 2017, 22:07
As staed, the Buena Park receivers are forged. What makes them "Aussie" is the radius cuts on the sides, whereas the Brit cuts were just a strait scallop. I personaly preffer the Aussie and have two. Both of which run steller!

Kb466
August 25, 2017, 08:38
The statement that all Entreprise receivers were cast comes from the listing not here. I know for a fact that the ABNI receivers were not cast. They were advertised as forged, and were in fact machined from forged bar stock.As to all the ABNI receivers being marked "ABNI", I'm not so sure. I had heard that the ABNI mark came about during the change from Buena Park to Irwindale. ABNI was in Buena Park and Entreprise was in Irwindale and the ATF wanted the correct Entreprise address on them. So the address changed. When the ABNI mark started, I don't know for sure. But I do know that all Buena Park receivers and those marked "Sporter" are made by ABNI. Also, the this rifle being a 2900 serial number-- I'm sure it is an ABNI. As to your high 6000 number-- that is interesting. That is the highest ABNI receiver I know of. My own current ABNI receiver is 52xx, which is why I made that statement.
Bill M.
If you are going to clarify misstatements please do not post misstatements as corrections. No one posted that all Entreprise receivers were cast that I see in this thread. Any and all ABNI manufactured receivers are in fact marked ABNI. A little thing from the ATF. I have an Irwindale rollmarked ABNI marked receiver well past your 5000 mark it is in high 6000 range I believe I will check tonight . Entreprise had many problems with the ATF over the serial numbers and the two addresses marked on the receivers over the years. They were making receivers in house while still getting the last of the ABNI receivers. That said it is still a very good looking rifle

justashooter
August 25, 2017, 13:21
speaking to the cast vs forged issue as a casting oriented steel products quality specialist, castings can be equal or superior in material property to forged billet bar stock, but that is only when they are carefully controlled in production and correctly engineered and moulded, and then properly heat treated.

billet stock starts life as a casting. forgings generally have better material strength through grain alignment and compression, but it's all a matter of complex process engineering and control, and there are things that can go wrong with casting and forging process.

generally speaking forgings are more uniform than castings and have more reliability thereby when correctly engineered.

C2A1
August 25, 2017, 13:49
So what did it finally go for?

Eyeguy
August 25, 2017, 14:20
Looks like it went for a grand. Market is really soft.

tobinb
August 25, 2017, 14:46
Certainly is a very nice looking rifle.

Also, thanks for all the very detailed info around Entreprise/ABNI/Serials etc ... makes me even happier with the one I picked up (not so) recently - 15xx Buena Park marked ...

C2A1
August 25, 2017, 16:22
Wow, soft isn't the word. I figured $1500+ Saw 21 bids figured that should drive it.

Ronin6.8
August 25, 2017, 17:09
21 bids.... That's Just weeding out the scrapers

little308
August 25, 2017, 18:49
The winner is an NR rated bidder. I believe he will follow through with payment, but if he backs out, I don't think I will complain on this one.

Can't regret it now. What's done is done. Onward and upward.

Vulcanator
August 25, 2017, 19:18
The winner is an NR rated bidder. I believe he will follow through with payment, but if he backs out, I don't think I will complain on this one.

Can't regret it now. What's done is done. Onward and upward.If you're the seller and he does back out, you should list it here.

OLDMANPBK
August 25, 2017, 19:33
$1000 :facepalm: I'm glad I wasn't watching or I'd be dipping into my 2019 gun money.

CMiller
August 26, 2017, 23:00
I would like to thank little308 for allowing me to bid on this rifle as a NR bidder. I was fortunate enough to win the auction. No worries on backing out, I sent the payment an hour after the auction closed. Can't wait to receive it as from your comments I bought a really nice example of an l1a1!

OLDMANPBK
August 26, 2017, 23:06
Yes you did. :beer: