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JAYG0351
August 20, 2017, 18:22
I traded a FAL two years ago and regretted it the moment I did it. Recently I have been doing some trading and was able to get an AK47. I really don't care for the AK rifle. So I looked for an FAL after two weeks looking I got offered one. This rifle looks brand still has cosoline type grease and no scratches anywhere on it. the rifle is a Century R1A1 Sporter. The magazine that came with it is metric but the cut in the mag well looks like an inch cut. The cut is just a rectangle cut area. The magazine fits ok thought and locks in. The bolt has sand cuts also. Will get better picture tomorrow.
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Ronin6.8
August 20, 2017, 18:31
Nice find, did you get a good deal on it?

JAYG0351
August 20, 2017, 18:59
I think so, in my mind I did. I traded an AK47 for it. I'm not not an AK kind of guy.

MAINER
August 20, 2017, 23:05
Looks to be an L1A1 kit, likely Aussie. Can't tell about the Receiver, check right side at rear for Imbel marks or maybe Century Arms in the mag well area. Does it have a date electro penciled inside the mag well?

The Century Flash Hider is probably pinned and tack welded, but can be restored if desired. Sometimes the original muzzle threads were left intact, not always.
It has Century's plastic furniture.

Century FALs were hastily assembled and often came poorly timed and with sloppy headspacing. Recommend getting yours checked.
You should also check the Gas Piston to see if you have one of Century's "two-piece" affairs that requires replacing.

I'd say you did well. No AK fan either. :)

JAYG0351
August 21, 2017, 07:28
There are no markings what so ever in the mag well or on the upper other than the stamped century R1A1 sported 308 Georgia VT made in USA and ser# which starts wither letter c. There is a arrow head left rear on the lower and above that looks to be a star. There is an A stamped above the trigger which looks to be associated with the selector lettering. I'll post more pictures this afternoon.

pistolero1911
August 21, 2017, 08:29
Serial No. starting with C is often times a receiver from Argentina. If so, you've done well.

Vaughn L. Allen
August 21, 2017, 09:45
Argy Upper... Great trade.

justashooter
August 21, 2017, 09:46
serial number Cxxxxxxx with R1A1 markings would be 2004 or so IMBEL made receiver on a Century build.

justashooter
August 21, 2017, 09:50
Serial No. starting with C is often times a receiver from Argentina. If so, you've done well.

not with the R1A1 mark. only C followed by 4 digits without R1A1 marking are made in FMAP pieces.

pistolero1911
August 21, 2017, 11:02
Thanks for clarifying. Depending on the number of digits [numbers] following the C the receiver could be either an IMBEL or FMAP. However no R1A1 marked receivers are FMAP. Understood.

Made in USA and CA prefix are neither IMBEL nor FMAP. Hesse?

garandguy10
August 21, 2017, 11:10
The receiver is a cast unibrow Century receiver. The "C" prefix means it was made by Century Arms as far as I know. It is not Imbel or Argentine.

The gas piston looks like it was shortened by a chop saw. I suspect the gun runs poorly if at all the way it is.

Check headspace before firing.

Let us know how it runs.

JAYG0351
August 21, 2017, 19:11
The bolt has the Lithgow markings on it. I think I will put wood in place of the plastic. I have read where the unibrow feed ramp may not cause a problem or it might not feed. I guess we will see all I know is this FAL is much better than the one I had before. I hope all goes well with it.

4markk
August 21, 2017, 20:00
The receiver is a cast unibrow Century receiver. The "C" prefix means it was made by Century Arms as far as I know. It is not Imbel or Argentine.

The gas piston looks like it was shortened by a chop saw. I suspect the gun runs poorly if at all the way it is.

Check headspace before firing.

Let us know how it runs.

+1

The receiver serial starts with "CA" ... Century Arms. One of their more problematic receivers. IF it runs, you should be fine.

BUT as pointed out, check it out before firing.

I agree, the piston looks a little short. May be a metric piston.

Also appears to have one of those pinned muzzle devices from the Clinton Assault on Weapons Ban.

JAYG0351
August 21, 2017, 21:30
The barrel is shorter than the other FAL I had. It is about 20" not 22" so I need to get that off and replace it.

4markk
August 21, 2017, 22:05
The barrel is shorter than the other FAL I had. It is about 20" not 22" so I need to get that off and replace it.

Standard FAL are 21", yours is probably 20.5" because Century cut the threads off. If you remove that pinned on muzzle device you'll find what looks like the barrel in the first picture here:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=418198

You can get it rethreaded and return it to its former glory.

mp
August 22, 2017, 08:40
The barrel is shorter than the other FAL I had. It is about 20" not 22" so I need to get that off and replace it.

If you decide to go to full length, I would be interested in that chopped barrel.

JAYG0351
August 22, 2017, 10:30
Century got back to on my inquiries about the rifle. All they could tell me is that they acquired the receiver on 2/21/2002, built it and sold as a rifle on 11/7/2002. :(

embatp
August 22, 2017, 11:34
Barrel may be us made.....check for any markings....post pics of the flats area near the receiver..... could be green mountain barrel...

4markk
August 22, 2017, 14:52
Barrel may be us made.....check for any markings....post pics of the flats area near the receiver..... could be green mountain barrel...

Not in 2002. Barrels were still coming in.

The barrel/receiver import ban was announced on July 13, 2005.

Incognito
August 22, 2017, 18:10
I really don't care for the AK rifle.

I understand what each of these words mean individually, but put together like this they do not make any sense to me.

the gman
August 23, 2017, 00:01
Decent find. Its got crappy Century fake L1A1 plastic furniture on it so that needs to be dumped and replaced with either Marynl or wood. The muzzle device has to come off as it looks like a tramp stamp on an otherwise pretty lady.

I reckon the receiver was machined by Caspian Arms. In support of such an assertion, I present exhibit A which was the first of a test run of 10 receivers machined by them for FNH (hence the serial number) when FN were exploring making the FAL here in the US using all the parts they had left in Belgium. I bought it about 10 years ago from the guy who was in charge of the program for FN but who had no real idea about anything FAL. He told me FN decided the effort required wouldn't be worth it. :sad::sad: I purchased it fully assembled but it was a mix master.

Had an Argy barrel with an L1A1 FH tack welded to it. Izzy HB HG's, it was cut for a folding charging handle but had a metric CH on it. Standard metric lower with an inch rear sight and Izzy HB stock. It had an inch pattern mag catch that interfered with the metric BHO that meant you couldn't remove the mag when you inserted it into the rifle. :cry: Talk about FrankenFAL. :facepalm::facepalm:

Notice how the font and magwell lightening cuts are the same as is the unibrow style feed ramp so I'm pretty sure Caspian machined both receivers.

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JAYG0351
August 23, 2017, 08:07
Could be, the guy from century said they acquired the reciver so maybe.

the gman
August 23, 2017, 08:56
Could be, the guy from century said they acquired the reciver so maybe.

Forgot to mention that a member of the Caspian staff confirmed they had had a contract with Century to machine their castings for several years so like I say, I'm pretty certain if you look at the features, the receivers match in all the critical areas.

4markk
August 23, 2017, 09:10
Could be, the guy from century said they acquired the reciver so maybe.

That's because Century has never produced a receiver in-house. They have always purchased/contracted for them. These are the ones we know of (in MY order of reliability):

Excellent
FMAP (Serial # seems to start with "C")
IMBEL (Serial # is all numbers)

Very Good
North Country Engineering (Serial # seems to start with "NC")

Good
FAC
Caspian Arms (Serial # seems to start with "CA")

Russian Roulette
Hesse/Vulcan

There is also a serial # string that starts with "ICL" and "IC". There has been much debate about who that is.

There may have been other job-shops. These are the ones that Century has confirmed through the years.

JAYG0351
August 23, 2017, 09:18
Found barrel stamps with better camera. I found cross flags with a crown over them and either W G or V G on the other side.

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MAINER
August 23, 2017, 10:51
Looks like an Aussie. Crossed flags are proof or acceptance marks and W G would indicate a barrel date of 1965-1966.
I would guess that the mark is a "W", not "V".